**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Oct 03 02:59:57 2010
Oct 04 02:33:35 <echosystm> is it possible to get some kind of linux/bsd container software working on sheevaplugs?
Oct 04 02:33:46 <echosystm> like LXC or jails?
Oct 04 02:37:43 <Tootoot222> chroot?
Oct 04 02:38:24 <Tootoot222> you can get a barebones X server and install qemu or virtualbox
Oct 04 02:38:32 <Tootoot222> and either X forward or VNC
Oct 04 02:38:46 <Tootoot222> (iirc qemu has a vnc server built in for the client)
Oct 04 02:38:52 <Tootoot222> and doesn't require X if you do that
Oct 04 02:39:04 <echosystm> vbox and qemu have too much overhead
Oct 04 02:39:10 <echosystm> i want really low power usage
Oct 04 02:39:34 <echosystm> lxc and jails have near-native speed with little overhead
Oct 04 02:39:38 <echosystm> its jsut process containment
Oct 04 02:39:55 <Tootoot222> you can chroot with some fancy (read only) mounts
Oct 04 02:40:10 <Tootoot222> (read only if you're concerned about security)
Oct 04 02:40:19 <echosystm> hmm
Oct 04 02:40:58 <Tootoot222> bind -R is what you're probably looking at doing
Oct 04 02:41:06 <Tootoot222> erm
Oct 04 02:41:07 <Tootoot222> mount -R
Oct 04 02:41:13 <echosystm> ok
Oct 04 02:41:17 <echosystm> i'll investigate!
Oct 04 02:41:17 <Tootoot222> --bind is the same as -R
Oct 04 02:41:19 <echosystm> thanks
Oct 04 02:41:35 <echosystm> actually another thing...
Oct 04 02:41:47 <echosystm> i need a newsgroups/torrent box that is low power
Oct 04 02:41:54 <echosystm> but it needs to have sick IO speed
Oct 04 02:42:21 <Tootoot222> my sheevaplug can get 24MB/s (which is actually limited to my USB drive's speed)
Oct 04 02:42:29 <echosystm> cool
Oct 04 02:42:33 <echosystm> over what protocol?
Oct 04 02:42:42 <Tootoot222> i imagine an eSata sheevaplug, or a guruplug would be able to get much higher
Oct 04 02:42:43 <Tootoot222> nfs
Oct 04 02:42:48 <Tootoot222> samba gets 17MB/s
Oct 04 02:42:51 <echosystm> hmm
Oct 04 02:43:04 <echosystm> do you think sftp would have good performance?
Oct 04 02:43:09 <Tootoot222> no
Oct 04 02:43:15 <Tootoot222> it's the same or worse than samba
Oct 04 02:43:20 <Tootoot222> every packet is encrypted
Oct 04 02:43:28 <Tootoot222> which has a lot of overhead for large transfers
Oct 04 02:43:32 <echosystm> doesnt sheevaplugs have hardware support for encryption?
Oct 04 02:43:45 <Tootoot222> i'm not sure
Oct 04 02:43:56 <Tootoot222> let me try a sftp transfer
Oct 04 02:44:02 <echosystm> i think they do, im not sure to what extent though
Oct 04 02:44:19 <echosystm> and the packages would have to be built to take advantage of the optimisations
Oct 04 02:46:14 <Tootoot222> ouch, it's only getting about 5MB/s
Oct 04 02:46:20 <echosystm> spewing
Oct 04 02:46:25 <echosystm> what about ftp?
Oct 04 02:46:38 <Tootoot222> not sure; i don't have a ftp server setup
Oct 04 02:46:43 <echosystm> ok, no worries
Oct 04 02:46:54 <echosystm> my next question...
Oct 04 02:47:07 <echosystm> i read on the forum that the power circuitry in sheevaplugs is a bit crap
Oct 04 02:47:19 <echosystm> expected to only last ~1 year if on all the time
Oct 04 02:47:37 <Tootoot222> as long as you don't run un-powered devices on it you should be ok
Oct 04 02:47:44 <echosystm> but... there are many distributors distributing these devices
Oct 04 02:47:45 <Tootoot222> (I.E. 2.5" usb harddrives)
Oct 04 02:47:54 <Tootoot222> globalscale is really the only one
Oct 04 02:47:59 <echosystm> in particular, im interested to know if the ionics ones are better?
Oct 04 02:48:00 <Tootoot222> newit buys from globalscale
Oct 04 02:48:30 <Tootoot222> um, i'm not sure
Oct 04 02:48:41 <Tootoot222> i've never bought one, or met people who have
Oct 04 02:49:12 <echosystm> http://www.ionicsplug.com/products.html
Oct 04 02:49:18 <echosystm> they have a number of models
Oct 04 02:49:18 <Tootoot222> if the sheevaplug power supply does give out though, it's a sinch to replace it with a generic 5v 3a charger/powersupply
Oct 04 02:49:30 <Tootoot222> just chop off the wires and solder together
Oct 04 02:49:49 <echosystm> cumulus looks great - http://www.ionicsplug.com/cumulus.html
Oct 04 02:49:54 <echosystm> two esata connectors!
Oct 04 02:50:07 <Tootoot222> o_o
Oct 04 02:50:18 <Tootoot222> dual NIC is what i'm really after
Oct 04 02:50:25 <Tootoot222> on the guruplug server +
Oct 04 02:50:42 <echosystm> whats the benefit of dual nic?
Oct 04 02:52:51 <Tootoot222> i'll plug my router into one, and a switch into the other
Oct 04 02:52:56 <Tootoot222> make myself a managed router ;D
Oct 04 02:53:10 <Tootoot222> ipv6 gigabit internal network
Oct 04 02:53:56 <Tootoot222> subjugate my current router into an access point
Oct 04 02:54:07 <echosystm> fair enough
Oct 04 02:54:14 <echosystm> i just use ddwrt lol
Oct 04 02:54:23 <Tootoot222> =p
Oct 04 02:54:40 <Tootoot222> unfortunately for me there's no builds for my router
Oct 04 02:55:31 <Tootoot222> and i don't feel like spending 150$ for a gigabit wireless N router with crap specs when i can spend the same for another server
Oct 04 02:57:19 <echosystm> yeah, fair call
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