**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Nov 13 02:59:57 2010 Nov 13 03:10:51 hello! Nov 13 03:10:53 anyone around? Nov 13 03:11:04 I'm trying to figure out how to fix my plug Nov 13 03:11:12 I messed it up when I was trying to load a new kernel Nov 13 03:11:36 I blasted the os flash instead of the bootloader flash Nov 13 03:13:44 it seems the links are dead for the filesystem jffs image Nov 13 03:13:52 marvell seems to have changed their site for the worst Nov 13 03:18:24 ... crickets Nov 13 03:25:16 snowsnakes: uh Nov 13 03:25:21 what os did you have on it before? Nov 13 03:25:36 just the default Nov 13 03:25:45 debian/ubuntu 9.05 i think Nov 13 03:26:05 yeah ubuntu 9.04 Nov 13 03:26:23 do you have any rootfs.tar.gz or similar you want to put back on it? Nov 13 03:26:30 (maybe a backup of /) Nov 13 03:26:34 i think I just found one Nov 13 03:27:19 I think I can maybe boot from nfs and reflash... but I've never done it, so I'm just puttering along Nov 13 03:27:57 snowsnakes: http://www.plugcomputer.org/plugwiki/index.php/Enabling_UBIFS Nov 13 03:28:19 boot from nfs, compile uboot from git repo, make new ubifs filesystem, burn, ???? profite Nov 13 03:29:22 you can get "updated kernels" from http://sheeva.with-linux.com/sheeva/ Nov 13 03:29:49 Yeah, I was attempting to build my own kernel with ubifs when I got myself into this mess Nov 13 03:30:03 lol Nov 13 03:30:16 I'm just a linux newb so I'm learning slowly Nov 13 03:30:31 i find those kernels from sheeva.with-linux have everything i've ever needed (and they're compiled with options for guruplug and sheevaplug!) Nov 13 03:30:52 do I even have to get a new uboot? Nov 13 03:31:05 what uboot do you have now? Nov 13 03:31:17 hrm.... Nov 13 03:31:24 not really sure, i'll have to fire it up Nov 13 03:31:36 are the older versions not compatible with new kernels? Nov 13 03:32:36 no it should be fine as long as you're not loading the kernel from ext2 filesystem and you set the archnumber/mainlinelinux varibles Nov 13 03:32:48 (which any kind of automated installer would have set for you) Nov 13 03:33:10 but, ofc, it's always better to have the latest stuff, eh? ;D Nov 13 03:34:22 righto Nov 13 03:34:55 3.4.27 - pingtoo patch.01 <- is the uboot on my sheeva, haven't had any problems with it Nov 13 03:35:20 on my guruplug i just compiled from source; although i haven't been able to get custom uboot to boot a kernel on my sheeva... Nov 13 03:36:45 what does a customized uboot provide? Nov 13 03:37:27 well in the newer ones you can actually use the arrow keys to move the cursor to type backwards on the line without having to erase it all XD Nov 13 03:37:49 yeah, I did think that was annoying Nov 13 03:37:52 (in 3.4.27 pressing the arrow keys just prints the meta) Nov 13 03:38:13 there's also probably just general stability updates etc Nov 13 03:38:45 besides, 3.4.27 was released in what, 2007? Nov 13 03:38:55 i'm sure they've changed a bunch of things since then =p Nov 13 03:39:01 U-Boot 1.1.4 (Jul 14 2009 - 06:46:57) Marvell version: 3.4.16 Nov 13 03:39:07 yeah that's pretty old Nov 13 03:39:16 you're reccommended to update from 3.4.19 and below Nov 13 03:39:35 to 3.4.27 with the pingoo patch (without his patch it can't load from ext2 filesystems) Nov 13 03:39:50 can I do a nanddump to make a jffs image? Nov 13 03:39:57 that's what I tried to do Nov 13 03:40:05 but I was just shooting in the dark Nov 13 03:40:42 well if you've already nuked it.. it doesn't really make a difference (since you'd be using ubifs after reinstalling anyway) Nov 13 03:40:52 true Nov 13 03:41:03 I have a few plugs here, so I tried to nandump from my working one Nov 13 03:41:41 nanddump should work, sure Nov 13 03:41:50 as long as like, you're not writing the dumped nand onto the nand Nov 13 03:41:59 'cause that would probably result in undefined behaviour Nov 13 03:42:00 lol Nov 13 03:42:17 lol... that's what I did Nov 13 03:42:22 ls stopped working Nov 13 03:42:25 command not found Nov 13 03:42:28 XD Nov 13 03:42:29 that was an oh shit momment Nov 13 03:42:41 woopsie... lol Nov 13 03:42:42 undefined behaviour at it's best there lol Nov 13 03:43:10 luckily the nand commands were still there for me to do even more damage Nov 13 03:44:09 lol Nov 13 03:44:57 I have a few of these plugs right... Nov 13 03:45:01 the first 2 came with disks Nov 13 03:45:04 the next 2 did not Nov 13 03:45:27 so my disks are long gone, but luckily I just found where I copied the contents of the disk to my pc Nov 13 03:45:37 where you getting so many plugs from? lol Nov 13 03:45:41 and naturally, all the links on the marvell website have changed Nov 13 03:45:52 global scale Nov 13 03:46:18 I'm developing a software package around these plugs Nov 13 03:47:07 ah Nov 13 03:47:10 http://www.plugcomputer.org/index.php/us/resources/downloads?func=select&id=5 Nov 13 03:47:19 there's an installer/rootfs.tar.gz there Nov 13 03:47:24 which is ubuntu 9.04 Nov 13 03:48:04 Tootoot222: I have been successfully running a plug for 18 months booted from a usb hard drive formatted ext2 using the old uboot Nov 13 03:48:16 tinker-f595: booting uimage from ext2 Nov 13 03:48:20 linux has no problems Nov 13 03:48:21 yes Nov 13 03:48:21 uboot does Nov 13 03:48:29 no it does not Nov 13 03:48:43 I boot uImage on the hard drive Nov 13 03:48:44 and i think it was only the 3.4.27 without the pingtoo patch that had the problem Nov 13 03:49:35 I have not had any problem using uboot to boot the kernel and rfs from a usb hard drive Nov 13 03:50:06 it seems the new version is just better usability and flexibility rather than stability Nov 13 03:50:09 and the arrow keys are controlled by the terminal tool you are using, not uboot Nov 13 03:50:24 not if it's a serial terminal Nov 13 03:50:44 tinker-f595: how the strokes are interpreted are determined by uboot Nov 13 03:50:44 sorry snowsnakes yes if it is the serial terminal Nov 13 03:50:50 not true Nov 13 03:50:59 minicom does it Nov 13 03:51:29 tinker-f595: i have a sheevaplug right here, with 3.4.27 that reads arrow keys as meta, and when i put a custom uboot on it it does it properly Nov 13 03:51:37 depends on how you have the buffers set up Nov 13 03:51:42 i didn't even close the serial connection Nov 13 03:52:00 well it works for me with minicom and the old uboot Nov 13 03:52:30 doesn't work for me... im on 8 versions older than u Nov 13 03:52:37 3.4.19 Nov 13 03:52:44 that is what I use Nov 13 03:52:56 weird Nov 13 03:53:07 snowsnakes: are you using minicom or screen? Nov 13 03:53:10 you have to fiind the correct settings in minicom Nov 13 03:53:11 or putty? Nov 13 03:53:22 (or something else?) Nov 13 03:53:25 how many times do I have to say minicom Nov 13 03:53:40 tinker-f595: i was asking snowsnakes ^_^ Nov 13 03:53:45 ah Nov 13 03:53:46 ok Nov 13 03:55:39 putty Nov 13 03:56:28 you can always use jtag to fix up your image Nov 13 03:56:44 i don't have the jtag Nov 13 04:02:15 guruplug or sheeavaplug? Nov 13 04:02:22 sheevaplug Nov 13 04:02:32 hmmmm... i found an interesting zip file Nov 13 04:02:44 well if you have the sheevaplug then it has jtag Nov 13 04:02:46 apparently with 5 commands and a usb key I can have this thing reflash itself Nov 13 04:03:05 snowsnakes: that's what i linked you to a minute ago lol Nov 13 04:03:06 yes, the sheevaplug has a jtag port, but I don't have a jtagger Nov 13 04:03:18 you do not need a jtagger Nov 13 04:03:18 nah, this is something else, something on that disk that I got Nov 13 04:03:28 really? Nov 13 04:03:41 didn't you bother to read the docs? Nov 13 04:03:45 the mini usb port on the sheevaplug acts as a jtag and uart port iirc Nov 13 04:04:05 acts as a usb to jtag port Nov 13 04:04:09 there are too many docs Nov 13 04:04:21 this damn cd shows me 4 ways to flash this thing... wtf Nov 13 04:04:30 you load the ftdi_so module on the host system Nov 13 04:04:44 windows host Nov 13 04:04:47 no dice Nov 13 04:04:57 snowsnakes: first time I have heard some one complain about too many docs Nov 13 04:05:11 snowsnakes: you need to use a real OS Nov 13 04:05:13 too many scattered docs that repeat the same thing Nov 13 04:05:16 windows makes reflashing a plug much more complicated than it needs to be Nov 13 04:05:28 linux does too... lol Nov 13 04:05:30 windows makes every thing more complicated Nov 13 04:05:41 nah, you definitely have that backwards Nov 13 04:05:46 linux makes flashing the plug simple Nov 13 04:05:49 windows just makes things more expensive Nov 13 04:06:00 snowsnakes: windows is trash Nov 13 04:06:10 and has been since windows 1.0 Nov 13 04:06:49 i wouldn't have a job if windows didn't exist Nov 13 04:07:00 snowsnakes: and ow is that? Nov 13 04:07:08 probably virus removal XD Nov 13 04:07:19 or data corruption Nov 13 04:07:27 Tootoot222: lol Nov 13 04:07:40 lol, nope Nov 13 04:07:54 come on... tell that to bill gates Nov 13 04:08:04 if windows sucked so much, why does everyone use it? Nov 13 04:08:08 answer: it works Nov 13 04:08:17 snowsnakes: I would if I wanted to waste my breath on that conman Nov 13 04:08:19 linux works if you have hours to waste to figure shit out Nov 13 04:08:31 or have someone to call every time it breaks Nov 13 04:08:38 windows is easy Nov 13 04:08:43 ubuntu is easy... linux is not Nov 13 04:08:46 snowsnakes: the reason people use it is because it is bundled on computers Nov 13 04:09:15 and the reason it is bundled on computers... is because it works Nov 13 04:09:16 snowsnakes: ubuntu is probably one of the crappiest linux distros out there Nov 13 04:09:20 dell tried that... and no one bought it Nov 13 04:09:41 does your grandma know how to compile a kernel to use the latest features? Nov 13 04:09:49 I bet your grandma could run windows update Nov 13 04:10:04 which one do you want to run her through over the phone? Nov 13 04:10:12 snowsnakes: the reason it is bundled on computers is because MS used to go around threatening to sue companies if they did not bundle it with the computers they manufacuterd Nov 13 04:10:32 windows update is a lot more difficult than a linux update Nov 13 04:10:34 meh... there was nothing else Nov 13 04:10:47 windows update forces you to reboot the entire rig for routine updates.. >.> Nov 13 04:10:55 I can't count how many times I've updated a linux machine and it totally crapped out on me Nov 13 04:11:10 snowsnakes: you are showing your complete and utter ignorance of the history of computing over the past 35 years Nov 13 04:11:11 linux is like a deck of cards Nov 13 04:11:22 ... lol Nov 13 04:11:23 snowsnakes: sure, if you're running something like gentoo, where it's targeted at [super] advanced users Nov 13 04:12:07 I have never once had a linux system crap out on me updating. one click and update going. I have Windows system totally screwed and unbootable after using windows update Nov 13 04:12:11 I agree and disagree... linux has its place, windows has it's place Nov 13 04:12:23 windows -> garbage? =D Nov 13 04:12:37 windows has its place in the trash heap of history Nov 13 04:13:41 sorry, I live in reality Nov 13 04:14:07 snowsnakes: if that is your vision of reality then it is a very poor reality Nov 13 04:14:48 I don't know of any fortune 500 companies that run linux on their desktops Nov 13 04:14:53 what does that mean? Nov 13 04:14:56 I do Nov 13 04:15:07 snowsnakes: i don't know any supercomputers that run windows 7 Nov 13 04:15:07 k Nov 13 04:15:09 it just means you are ignorant Nov 13 04:15:09 what does that mean? Nov 13 04:15:30 a windows super computer would run windows server datacenter edition Nov 13 04:15:56 snowsnakes: that is a joke piece of software Windows Datacenter Nov 13 04:15:56 and what, cost 3000$ because they know the big companies can shell that out? ;D Nov 13 04:16:02 windows has a lot of great things that linux doesn't, linux has a lot of great things that windows doesn't Nov 13 04:16:13 like viruses? Nov 13 04:16:16 Tootoot222: no big companies use Windows Data Nov 13 04:16:20 Center Nov 13 04:16:49 true, I do not advocate it either... i was just saying Nov 13 04:16:50 snowsnakes: how come all the stock exchanges that tried wndows booted it and replaced it with linux? Nov 13 04:17:04 because windows server sucks for that stuff Nov 13 04:17:12 s/ for that stuff// Nov 13 04:17:14 windows sucks in general Nov 13 04:17:23 but in reality, where work needs to be done, we will use the Sage payroll system that runs on windows Nov 13 04:17:44 uggg another crappy piece of software Sage Nov 13 04:17:50 I don't know of many business people that don't use Outlook Nov 13 04:17:58 I do Nov 13 04:18:30 Outlook is probably the crappiest email client out there and exchange is dreadful server Nov 13 04:18:43 I come from a messaging background Nov 13 04:18:54 I agree... but there is NO OTHER SOFTWARE that does EVERYTHING it does Nov 13 04:19:06 snowsnakes: for a lack of knowledge (due to microsoft's FUD campagins) of other clients Nov 13 04:19:11 oh like corrupt emails Nov 13 04:19:21 so then what clients? Nov 13 04:19:24 yeah, running executable attachments was a great feature Nov 13 04:19:29 automatically Nov 13 04:19:33 snowsnakes: you really are showing you know nothing about email systems Nov 13 04:19:42 you are correct, I do not Nov 13 04:19:53 please name some competing clients to outlook Nov 13 04:20:08 snowsnakes: a quick test for you Nov 13 04:20:22 snowsnakes: If I say Andrew what does that mean to you? Nov 13 04:20:46 Andrew? Nov 13 04:20:53 hmmm Nov 13 04:21:09 andrew gower! Nov 13 04:21:12 ok confirms my suspicion you know nothing about computing Nov 13 04:21:36 or distributed systems or email or databases or file systems Nov 13 04:21:59 I'm still waiting to hear some outlook competing clients Nov 13 04:22:20 tinker-f595: you talking about the minix guy? Nov 13 04:22:28 snowsnakes: thunderbird? evolution? Nov 13 04:22:31 runescape Nov 13 04:22:37 thunderbird.. HAH, not even close Nov 13 04:22:40 yeah andrew gower is runescape lol Nov 13 04:22:43 evolution is equally not even close Nov 13 04:22:59 neither of those have half the features of outlook Nov 13 04:23:08 I know... I run thunderbird and outlook on my pc Nov 13 04:23:15 i've not actually used outlook before; i don't know what it actually does besides send emails (what would an email client need to do besides that anyways?) Nov 13 04:23:48 it does all those wonderful things that lock you into microsoft... integration Nov 13 04:24:03 like buying a mac or iphone does? Nov 13 04:24:06 public shared calendaring Nov 13 04:24:24 snowsnakes: Thunderbird has more email features than outlook Nov 13 04:24:37 what a joke that statement is Nov 13 04:25:01 snowsnakes: you obviously have not used thunderbird much Nov 13 04:25:01 I've been using thunderbird for 4 years, and outlook for 3, outlook takes the cake by far Nov 13 04:25:14 outlook is crap Nov 13 04:25:27 that is not very long Nov 13 04:25:53 I probably have been using email from before you were born Nov 13 04:26:28 snowsnakes: you probably have not used all the features in thunderbird or explored a fraction of them. Nov 13 04:26:33 yep, and that is why I will pick up where you left off Nov 13 04:26:46 outlook is not very good at all. it is unstable and crashes a lot Nov 13 04:26:58 no it doesn't Nov 13 04:27:03 story of microsoft Nov 13 04:27:31 they day microsoft makes a product that doesn't suck is they day microsoft vaccuum cleaners are released Nov 13 04:27:36 my outlook runs on top of a cluster of 10-20 email servers serving tens of thousands of mailboxes Nov 13 04:27:43 Tootoot222: he has dug himself a hole and is in denial Nov 13 04:28:20 tinker-f595: pretty much the definition of fanboyism there Nov 13 04:28:31 snowsnakes: that is piss poor performance if you need that many email servers to service jsut a few tens of thousand mail boxes Nov 13 04:30:16 mailboxes ranging in size from 300mb - 6 gb Nov 13 04:30:33 so ? Nov 13 04:30:39 not impressed Nov 13 04:30:42 with calendars Nov 13 04:30:47 that is still poor performance Nov 13 04:30:54 lol, not many others have calendars Nov 13 04:31:01 oops... no good anymore Nov 13 04:31:22 I was working on systems that had calendars and scaled easily back in the 90s Nov 13 04:31:32 and where did it go? Nov 13 04:32:18 MS dumped product for free to steal the market with an inferior product Nov 13 04:32:43 and some of that tech is still out there being used by fortune 500 companies Nov 13 04:33:33 yes, the product died, wasn't developed further, while the m$ product was... and now it's better Nov 13 04:33:50 no, the MS product still has not caught up Nov 13 04:34:07 you just miss your green screen, don't you? Nov 13 04:34:18 tabbing on your keyboard through the days Nov 13 04:34:25 :P Nov 13 04:37:07 the software world is resetting right now anyway Nov 13 04:37:16 in 5 years no one will even have software on their computers Nov 13 04:37:22 ms / linux won't matter anymore Nov 13 04:37:30 half the world will be on iShits Nov 13 04:37:42 we'll all use facebook email Nov 13 04:37:43 lol Nov 13 04:37:46 you are an idiot if you believe that Nov 13 04:38:03 or a Troll Nov 13 04:38:12 it's a laughable future Nov 13 04:38:16 feeding Trolls can be amusing Nov 13 04:38:26 web apps are the future Nov 13 04:38:42 now that is a delusion Nov 13 04:38:44 they are dangerously close to being able to do anything Nov 13 04:38:54 wow, if you haven't seen that light, then you ARE an old man Nov 13 04:39:18 stuck in your old ways Nov 13 04:39:23 what is the sheevaplug? Nov 13 04:39:26 no that is going back to an old model that did not work...the service buareua Nov 13 04:39:35 it's a cloud-ish device that integrates with web apps Nov 13 04:39:45 the sheevaplug is a general purpose computer Nov 13 04:39:47 except this time it's global Nov 13 04:39:56 general purpose... HAH Nov 13 04:40:00 snowsnakes: you have been reading too much marketing bullshit Nov 13 04:40:03 general INTERNET purpose Nov 13 04:40:21 I don't know of anyone using a sheevaplug for something that isn't internet/network related Nov 13 04:40:34 tinker-f595: i can see cloud-computing/web apps taking most (if not all) features we routinely do today Nov 13 04:40:45 and what it the internet ? nothing but a network of networks made up of inidvidual computers Nov 13 04:40:53 taking??? lol... they've ALREADY taken Nov 13 04:40:58 netbooks have such small processors, they can't handle running ms word Nov 13 04:41:00 cloud computing is one of the biggest bull shit terms out there Nov 13 04:41:06 so they use google docs where google does the computing Nov 13 04:41:13 cloud computing has nothing to do with web apps Nov 13 04:41:17 and their netbook is just a dumb terminal that shows them what they've done Nov 13 04:41:35 cloud computing is computing resources as a utility... ie virtual machine Nov 13 04:41:37 Tootoot222: netbooks work fine with Linux and XFCE Nov 13 04:42:02 no cloud computing is a bs marketing hype Nov 13 04:42:40 no the word "cloud" is marketing BS, cloud computing is utility computing where you are billed for computing resources Nov 13 04:42:48 and any one that uses google docs for serious business purposes is very foolish. google datamines everything Nov 13 04:43:32 snowsnakes: and as I said you are promoting an old model that failed in the past...the service bureau model Nov 13 04:43:36 only to provide more relevant adds to your personal interests, which keeps all their things free Nov 13 04:43:39 that all cloud computing is Nov 13 04:43:57 Tootoot222: actually not...you can grab more than that Nov 13 04:44:27 I could tell you some stuff but NDA intervenes Nov 13 04:44:45 lol Nov 13 04:44:52 I think cloud computing is great... it has allowed me to host my own dedicated web server on a gigabit network connection for $11/month Nov 13 04:44:59 otherwise I could colo for $100/month Nov 13 04:45:37 snowsnakes: until they decide they own your data Nov 13 04:45:46 cause you did not read the fine print Nov 13 04:45:56 well it is a dedicated server... not google docs Nov 13 04:46:10 are you sure? Nov 13 04:46:20 yea Nov 13 04:49:02 snowsnakes: there are some very interesting devices coming on the market soon Nov 13 04:49:13 like what? Nov 13 04:49:35 multicore ARM processor based systems Nov 13 04:49:57 high perforrmance low power consumption Nov 13 04:49:59 yeah... dual core sheevaplug Nov 13 04:50:17 no not that Nov 13 04:50:24 lol Nov 13 04:50:28 more interesting than that Nov 13 04:51:33 fancier faster smart phones... wooooo Nov 13 04:51:54 can I watch netflix on it? lol Nov 13 04:52:34 i can watch netflix on my phone.. not like the screen is that big though, a little hard to see sometimes Nov 13 04:52:57 so you have an iphone? Nov 13 04:53:04 lololololol Nov 13 04:53:13 nope Nov 13 04:53:13 why do you assume he has an iPhone? Nov 13 04:53:16 droid x Nov 13 04:53:23 droid x doesn't have netflix Nov 13 04:53:30 yeah, it does Nov 13 04:53:42 I can play hd video on my nokia n900 Nov 13 04:54:14 multi tasks very nicely and comes with complete root access Nov 13 04:54:24 i wanted to get the n900 Nov 13 04:54:31 explain netflix on droid x Nov 13 04:54:34 but i didn't want at&t's crap network Nov 13 04:54:38 Tootoot222: it is a sweet device Nov 13 04:55:16 Tootoot222: nokia n900 is not suitable for ATT if you want high speed access Nov 13 04:55:25 I have it on TMO Nov 13 04:56:41 nokia n900 is the kitchen sink of pocket computers Nov 13 04:58:22 what browser do you use in your droid x? Nov 13 04:59:22 snowsnakes: think he will trust you with that info? ;) Nov 13 04:59:23 whatever the defaullt is Nov 13 04:59:41 how do you get netflix? Nov 13 05:00:45 he goes to the netflix website Nov 13 05:01:56 ... except you can't watch them Nov 13 05:02:13 netflix on android is nonexistent Nov 13 05:02:54 I know this... because I have a droid x Nov 13 05:04:24 or maybe not Nov 13 05:05:38 snowsnakes: with a slingbox Nov 13 05:05:52 streams your tv over the internet Nov 13 05:05:54 does netflix too Nov 13 05:06:01 .... nice job searching google for the ONLY solution Nov 13 05:06:52 =D Nov 13 05:08:33 ha Nov 13 05:09:07 so what happened to the Android player that netflix was supposed to be working on? Nov 13 05:09:31 maybe in a few more months Nov 13 05:09:33 apparently unreleased Nov 13 05:09:58 Tootoot222: so you did not get an early release Nov 13 05:10:27 tinker-f595: nah, i don't even have netflix Nov 13 05:10:34 i just torrent my movies on my guruplug =p Nov 13 05:10:39 ha Nov 13 05:10:49 troll ;P Nov 13 05:10:50 oh you do not use IRC? Nov 13 05:11:00 lol... irc file sharing Nov 13 05:11:01 IRC downloads seem quicker Nov 13 05:11:03 lol dcc Nov 13 05:11:13 well it is faster than torrent Nov 13 05:11:18 i download torrents at 2 MB/sec Nov 13 05:11:47 it's been a while since i hit irc, but i don't think they can compete with that Nov 13 05:12:09 tinker-f595: dcc is client/server Nov 13 05:12:11 i prefer p2p Nov 13 05:12:15 gee and i thought you had a GB pipe ;) Nov 13 05:12:44 p2p is just distributed clients and servers Nov 13 05:13:02 GB? Nov 13 05:13:06 ok linux hot shots Nov 13 05:13:10 how do I format a usb drive Nov 13 05:13:22 in windows I can do it pretty quickly Nov 13 05:13:23 tinker-f595: yeah, but if you lose the server the connection dies Nov 13 05:13:25 same way as any drive Nov 13 05:13:33 i don't often format drives Nov 13 05:13:33 if you lose a peer you've got over9000 more to choose from Nov 13 05:13:33 Tootoot222: true Nov 13 05:13:42 considering you usually only format a drive when you install the OS Nov 13 05:13:50 snowsnakes: fdisk or gparted Nov 13 05:13:58 how do I know what /dev/ the drive is? Nov 13 05:14:04 fdisk -l Nov 13 05:14:10 lol Nov 13 05:14:14 ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid Nov 13 05:14:16 ls -l /dev/disk/by-lable Nov 13 05:14:17 snowsnakes: yes but you must format a lot as it is MS recommended way of fixing any Windows problem Nov 13 05:14:19 ls -l /dev/disk/by-label* Nov 13 05:14:36 I just clone systems Nov 13 05:14:54 plug it in and dmesg|tail snowsnakes Nov 13 05:15:04 snowsnakes: fdisk -l (as root) will probably give you the most accurate result Nov 13 05:15:18 all you have to do to clone a linux system is dd and then redo the ssh keys Nov 13 05:15:31 dmesg can give an indication if the drive gives a manufacturer name Nov 13 05:15:34 and that will clone my laptop onto my desktop? Nov 13 05:15:52 Tootoot222, it'll say which device also Nov 13 05:15:54