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Nov 27 12:29:23 <luke-jr> ryan-c: I doubt the crypto layer supports MTD emulation?
Nov 27 12:29:32 <luke-jr> jffs2 only works on MTD devices, not block
Nov 27 12:29:38 <ryan-c> yeah
Nov 27 12:29:43 <ryan-c> well i have it booting
Nov 27 12:29:51 <ryan-c> http://pastebin.com/80HiYiwx
Nov 27 12:29:59 <ryan-c> I have jffs2 on the MTD device
Nov 27 12:30:23 <ryan-c> then an encrypted ext3 filesystem on the jffs2 filesystem
Nov 27 12:30:55 <ryan-c> I suspect that is plausibly unsafe
Nov 27 12:34:48 <luke-jr> well probably
Nov 27 12:34:56 <luke-jr> ext3 on SSD tends to be stupid
Nov 27 12:34:59 <luke-jr> use ext2
Nov 27 12:36:16 <Barlow> isn't missing a journal dangerous in case of power loss?
Nov 27 12:36:49 <luke-jr> only if you fail to fsck
Nov 27 12:37:07 <luke-jr> more dangerous is a /wrong/ journal, which is likely with ext3 on SSD in power loss
Nov 27 12:37:56 <Barlow> i see
Nov 27 12:37:58 <luke-jr> get a smart UPS and unmount by force when it's about to die ;)
Nov 27 13:15:42 <ryan-c> hmm
Nov 27 13:16:05 <ryan-c> why is it not letting me set environment variables from the boot loader? :-|
Nov 27 13:23:59 <ryan-c> what's the proper way to partition the MTD?
Nov 27 13:25:52 <ryan-c> I need an initrd partition
Nov 27 13:27:43 <ryan-c> oh
Nov 27 13:27:47 <ryan-c> syntax fail
Nov 27 13:27:48 <ryan-c> damnit
Nov 27 13:28:00 <kerio> why do you need initrd :|
Nov 27 13:32:53 <ryan-c> encrytped root filesystem
Nov 27 13:32:58 <kerio> neat
Nov 27 13:33:13 <kerio> that'll trash your NAND though
Nov 27 13:34:31 <ryan-c> even on top of jffs2?
Nov 27 13:39:32 <ryan-c> kerio: How would you suggest I do it without trashing my NAND?
Nov 27 13:42:05 <kerio> either use a usb drive, or avoid full disk encryption
Nov 27 13:44:22 <ryan-c> so in general setting up jffs2 and putting a loopback file on it with another filesystem willl kill the nand?
Nov 27 13:45:23 <ryan-c> oh crap
Nov 27 13:45:32 <ryan-c> I think I just killed uboot
Nov 27 13:45:39 <kerio> first of all you should use ubifs
Nov 27 13:45:50 <ryan-c> UBIFS doesn't work
Nov 27 13:46:16 <ryan-c> it causes loopback devices to spew IO errors
Nov 27 13:46:28 <kerio> ¿que?
Nov 27 13:46:34 <kerio> why would it do that
Nov 27 13:46:39 <ryan-c> I don't know
Nov 27 13:46:48 <kerio> it spews out IO errors if there's no more space
Nov 27 13:47:30 <ryan-c> but if you create a file on ubifs and then make a large file, then set that large file up as a loop device it will spew errors at you on write
Nov 27 13:49:04 <kerio> sounds strange to me, but meh
Nov 27 13:49:14 <kerio> i'd still not use an encrypted fs on the NAND
Nov 27 13:49:20 <kerio> how much can you hold on 512mb anyway
Nov 27 13:49:39 <ryan-c> A minimal debian install fits in 512MB just fine
Nov 27 13:49:50 <kerio> oh of course
Nov 27 13:49:58 <kerio> i'm using squeeze on the nand at the moment
Nov 27 13:50:25 <kerio> but my torr^H^H^H^Hperfectly legit data is on a bigass 1tb usb hd
Nov 27 13:50:36 <ryan-c> http://wiki.fukt.bsnet.se/wiki/Mandos
Nov 27 13:51:16 <ryan-c> I intend to have two plugs running that, configured to be able to boot each other and my assorted other crap
Nov 27 13:53:13 <ryan-c> I really probably should just do something with an encrypted squashfs
Nov 27 13:53:44 <ryan-c> and then aufs it with a ramdisk and a small second encrypted fs for keys
Nov 27 14:03:25 <kerio> hmm... minimal install of debian on NAND configured as a rescue system/as a "initrd" for a usb pen drive?
Nov 27 14:03:36 <kerio> pen drives are really cheap nowadays
Nov 27 14:03:39 <kerio> or maybe SDs
Nov 27 14:04:17 <kerio> SDs are probably easier to set up too, since they're perfect block devices, as opposed to raw NAND
Nov 27 14:04:30 <ryan-c> I have an SDHC card
Nov 27 14:04:38 <kerio> buy another for the second plug :)
Nov 27 14:04:55 <ryan-c> I have two in fact, but I'm using one
Nov 27 14:05:03 <kerio> so there you go :D
Nov 27 14:05:14 <ryan-c> but I think having it on the nand is elegant
Nov 27 14:05:22 <kerio> and'll trash the NAND, imo
Nov 27 14:05:49 <ryan-c> *shrug*
Nov 27 14:06:06 <ryan-c> squashfs + aufs won't trash it
Nov 27 14:06:23 <ryan-c> how many write cycles is the NAND good for anyway?
Nov 27 14:06:52 <kerio> yeah but any change on a tiny file in an encrypted FS will cause lots of changes in the outer disk
Nov 27 14:07:14 <kerio> but meh, my NAND is almost never written on imo
Nov 27 14:07:24 <kerio> er, in my case
Nov 27 14:07:38 <ryan-c> in this particular application it will rarely need to write anything
Nov 27 14:08:11 <kerio> what application?
Nov 27 14:08:27 <ryan-c> did you see my link earlier?
Nov 27 14:08:36 <ryan-c> http://wiki.fukt.bsnet.se/wiki/Mandos
Nov 27 14:08:49 <kerio> yeah but for what
Nov 27 14:09:00 <ryan-c> It's for mostly safe autoboot of systems with encrypted root filesystems
Nov 27 14:09:26 <kerio> yeah but WHAT FOR
Nov 27 14:10:04 <ryan-c> my pc and my fileserver
Nov 27 14:25:31 <luke-jr> holy crap, people are here
Nov 27 14:25:41 <luke-jr> and plug 3 news⁇
Nov 27 14:26:07 <ryan-c> plug 3 news?
Nov 27 14:41:40 <luke-jr> ryan-c: yeah, plug 3.0
Nov 27 14:41:45 <luke-jr> guruplug successor
Nov 27 14:42:04 <luke-jr> although it seems plug computers aren't caring about power efficiency, so maybe I don't want that…
Nov 27 14:42:16 <ryan-c> link?
Nov 27 14:42:34 <ryan-c> it took three damned months for my guruplug server plus to show up
Nov 27 15:07:01 <ryan-c> hm
Nov 27 15:07:19 <ryan-c> is there any way to disable the sheevaplug's jtag interface?
Nov 27 15:24:30 <luke-jr> ryan-c: most recent news on Plug 3 is from spring
Nov 27 15:25:12 <luke-jr> http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/05/marvell-plug-computer-3-0-packs-in-wifi-bluetooth-and-2ghz-arma/
Nov 27 15:34:55 <ryan-c> kerio: I'm slightly amused to hear someone call 1TB 'bigass'
Nov 27 16:18:21 <kerio92> ryan-c: not because of the size, it's because it's really big
Nov 27 16:18:33 <kerio92> but it got it for 70€, so...
Nov 27 16:52:49 <Tootoot222> kerio: i just bought a 1.5TB drive for 69usd lol
Nov 27 16:52:56 <Tootoot222> 7200rpm
Nov 27 16:53:01 <kerio> that was a year ago
Nov 27 16:53:49 <Tootoot222> s/69/59/
Nov 27 17:06:58 <Kuifje111> you can get 2 TB for 79 euro here.
Nov 27 17:07:52 <kerio> *a year ago*
Nov 27 17:07:58 <kerio> i could buy a new hd
Nov 27 17:07:59 <kerio> hmm
Nov 27 17:09:37 <Kuifje111> what kind of uptime do you people have?
Nov 27 17:10:24 <Tootoot222> $ uptime
Nov 27 17:10:24 <Tootoot222>  11:02:25 up 2 days,  2:06,  1 user,  load average: 0.01, 0.02, 0.00
Nov 27 17:10:41 <Tootoot222> but that's only because my neighbourhood had a poweroutage then
Nov 27 17:10:43 <Kuifje111> I mean on your plug
Nov 27 17:10:48 <Tootoot222> yeah that was on my plug
Nov 27 17:10:52 <Kuifje111> oh, ok
Nov 27 17:11:13 <kerio> 18:03:10 up 13 days,  1:18,  1 user,  load average: 0.16, 0.12, 0.09
Nov 27 17:11:16 <Kuifje111> 18:03:08 up 27 days, 7:57, 1 user, load average: 0.19, 0.09, 0.04
Nov 27 17:11:17 <Tootoot222> there was a big storm
Nov 27 17:11:18 <kerio> since latest... blackout
Nov 27 17:11:41 <kerio> my laptop has 15 days (including sleep time) because of a sw update
Nov 27 17:12:14 <Kuifje111> I think I almost had 100 days on my sheeva once
Nov 27 17:13:00 <kerio> http://www.uptimes-project.org/hosts/view/150
Nov 27 17:13:07 <kerio> 14 Years 326 Days 6 Hours 47 Minutes
Nov 27 17:13:09 <kerio> what the FUCK
Nov 27 17:13:18 <Barlow> lol ancient kernel
Nov 27 17:13:52 <Kuifje111> wow, thats some nice uptime
Nov 27 17:14:09 <Barlow> highest linux uptime is 5y btw
Nov 27 17:14:14 <Barlow> uhm 3y
Nov 27 17:14:19 <Barlow> 5y for freebsd
Nov 27 17:14:20 <Tootoot222> yeah, i thought the ticker resets
Nov 27 17:18:35 <kerio> :(
Nov 27 17:18:37 <kerio> that sucks
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