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Dec 10 03:10:20 <luke-jr> who wanted to sell their fanless GuruPlugPlus?
Dec 10 03:10:42 <luke-jr> also, does anyone know if the fan can be d/c in the new one?
Dec 10 03:11:02 <luke-jr> and most importantly, does anyone have any real power usage numbers? :P
Dec 10 06:27:01 <kerio> hi all
Dec 10 15:02:44 <luke-jr> does anyone have any real power usage numbers? :P
Dec 10 15:04:08 <Tootoot222> luke-jr: for sheevaplug or guruplug?
Dec 10 15:04:25 <luke-jr> GuruPlug Plus, but I wouldn't expect them to be very different…?
Dec 10 15:04:41 <Tootoot222> the guruplug has a 20w PSU, where the sheevaplug has a 5w PSU
Dec 10 15:04:48 <Tootoot222> so, not more than 20w
Dec 10 15:04:53 <luke-jr> but how much does it actually use?
Dec 10 15:04:59 <luke-jr> if it needs 20W, I'll go get Atom
Dec 10 15:05:41 <Tootoot222> if you don't have any usb/esata devices, and wifi and bluetooth disabled it should be about 2-3w
Dec 10 15:05:46 <Tootoot222> at idle
Dec 10 15:05:59 <tbm> luke-jr: see http://oinkzwurgl.org/guruplug_stuff
Dec 10 15:06:19 <Tootoot222> they made it 20w because the sheevaplug PSUs were exploding from people running unpowered USB harddrives on it
Dec 10 15:06:44 <Tootoot222> 20w should easily accomidate all the usb devices
Dec 10 15:07:06 <luke-jr> I heard the newer GuruPlug Plus have noisy fans… do you know if those can be disconnected?
Dec 10 15:07:23 <luke-jr> eg, if I'm not going to run the 2nd ethernet at gbit speeds (which was overheating IIRC)
Dec 10 15:07:36 <Tootoot222> luke-jr: yes it can be easily disconnected
Dec 10 15:08:06 <Tootoot222> but i wouldn't remove it; on the old guruplugs they had a heat spreader but no fan; on the new ones they have a fan but no heat spreader
Dec 10 15:08:08 <luke-jr> tbm: eck, that's not 2-3w ☹
Dec 10 15:08:34 <Tootoot222> if you have the fan running the processor stays cool without the spreader, but it gets quite hot without either
Dec 10 15:08:55 <luke-jr> Tootoot222: hmm
Dec 10 15:09:38 <Tootoot222> i built a copper heat spreader with some fins, and used some thermal paste i had from another project to connect the processor to it
Dec 10 15:09:46 <Tootoot222> been running perfectally for a few weeks
Dec 10 15:10:16 <Tootoot222> http://i55.tinypic.com/2h5nu55.jpg http://i54.tinypic.com/23wkxzt.jpg
Dec 10 15:10:43 <Tootoot222> the processor used to get hot to the point where it would hurt to touch
Dec 10 15:11:03 <Tootoot222> now the whole sink stays nice and cool (only a few deg above ambient)
Dec 10 15:12:29 <luke-jr> Tootoot222: do you have the SATA attached?
Dec 10 15:12:35 <Tootoot222> yes
Dec 10 15:12:48 <luke-jr> can you power the disk off completely from software?
Dec 10 15:14:34 <Tootoot222> i don't think the physical disk can ever go off, even if you unplug it it stays spinning
Dec 10 15:14:54 <Tootoot222> i also have /usr, /var and /home mounted on it, so if i tried to power it off i'd kill my guruplug =p
Dec 10 15:19:18 <kerio> huh? doesn't eSATA also carry power?
Dec 10 15:24:16 <Barlow> nope
Dec 10 15:24:59 <Barlow> esata=regular sata with more durable connectors
Dec 10 15:26:37 <luke-jr> Barlow: normal eSATA has power :x
Dec 10 15:27:02 <luke-jr> Tootoot222: if / isn't mounted on it, you'd be ok so long as you turn it back on ;P
Dec 10 15:27:21 <Barlow> no it doesn't. there is a extension that has afaik
Dec 10 15:28:07 <Barlow> ah it's called eSATAp
Dec 10 15:28:50 <kerio> luke-jr: mount - command not found
Dec 10 15:28:51 <kerio> :P
Dec 10 15:29:24 <luke-jr> hrm
Dec 10 15:29:44 <luke-jr> so I'd need an external device controlling the HD power
Dec 10 15:32:51 <luke-jr> no GPIO on OPSP?
Dec 10 16:14:45 <paulk_> Hi there
Dec 10 16:15:04 <paulk_> I just recieved the SheevaPlug I ordered on globalscale
Dec 10 16:15:32 <paulk_> but there is a big problem : I selected the EU version but I have a US one...
Dec 10 16:17:18 <tinker-f595> paulk_: sounds like they need to send you a new plug adapter and new power cable
Dec 10 16:17:56 <paulk_> tinker-f595: is that the way I'm supposed to act ? (Or is it better to send them back the whole thing ?)
Dec 10 16:20:45 <Tootoot222> paulk_: you can just buy a figure-eight cable for your region
Dec 10 16:20:58 <Tootoot222> as long as you don't mind having it sit on your desk, instead of hanging from the wall
Dec 10 16:21:11 <Tootoot222> but yeah, you're allowed to send it all back as much as you like within the 30 day warentee
Dec 10 16:21:28 <tinker-f595> paulk_: but also  get them to send the correct adapters
Dec 10 16:21:42 <kerio> i wouldn't use it as an actual plug
Dec 10 16:21:47 <tinker-f595> the adapter on the plug slides off
Dec 10 16:21:47 <kerio> if anything, because plugs SUCK BALLS
Dec 10 16:21:48 <Tootoot222> kerio: me neither
Dec 10 16:22:13 <kerio> unless you have like 50cm between each socket in the wall
Dec 10 16:22:25 <paulk_> yes I wasn't going to use the wall plug
Dec 10 16:22:43 <paulk_> I guess I'll just ask them to send me the right cables
Dec 10 16:22:57 <Tootoot222> paulk_: then yeah, if you don't want to wait for globalscale to ship you a new cable you can just run out to your local hardware store and buy a figure-eight cable
Dec 10 16:23:09 <Tootoot222> the part with the us prongs on the plug itself slides right off
Dec 10 16:23:11 <Tootoot222> (push hard)
Dec 10 16:23:23 <Tootoot222> underneith there's a figure-eight port
Dec 10 16:23:49 <Tootoot222> or even just a simple us -> eu adaptor
Dec 10 16:24:16 <paulk_> okay
Dec 10 16:24:18 <Tootoot222> (they're like $0.50, americans buy them all the time)
Dec 10 16:24:27 <paulk_> :)
Dec 10 16:34:02 <luke-jr> kerio++
Dec 10 21:09:46 <Thell_> Some pretty interesting findings on my GuruPlug testing...  Seems if the CPU and memory are already under a full load that using a Gb to Gb network link only gives a few MB/s gain over Gb to 100Mb link
Dec 10 21:11:21 <Tootoot222> using what protocol Thell_?
Dec 10 21:12:21 <Thell_> that would be tcp controlled by iperf.  And the few MB gain happens both in single and bi-dir modes
Dec 10 21:13:07 <Thell_> literally a 1.9MB gain over three tests with the CPU/Mem and USB loaded using bonnie++
Dec 10 21:14:44 <Thell_> and it is kinda funny, because I get a 2 degree F increase using the Gb too :P
Dec 10 21:18:09 <Thell_> I'll be doing a write-up of the testing, with pics of the heatsink/fan mod and posting it to forums once I'm done.  I'm going to do a few other tests first though.  Like network loads only, and network cpu/memory w/o usb involved.
Dec 10 21:19:55 <Thell_> nice thing is though, under a full and total load of everything but bluetooth the highest temp I was able to get was 113F.  Right next to the lil power header between the u-snap and reset switch.
Dec 10 21:21:01 <Thell_> Considering that my previous mod was up at 163F just loading 1 Gb port and cpu/mem/usb I'd say I'm very happy with the temp results :D
Dec 10 21:21:50 <Tootoot222> o_o
Dec 10 23:50:48 <luke-jr> Thell_: network link, how? bridging? routing?
Dec 10 23:53:41 <Thell_> luke-jr: routing, GPS Gb port to Gb Switch to Gb router 2 laptop Gb port
Dec 10 23:54:56 <Thell_> the max I have gotten out of the GPS+ Gb is 18.2MB/s with everything else idle and the GPS+ running the iperf server so the iperf client was running on the laptop.
Dec 11 00:07:58 <luke-jr> Thell_: try bridging :p
Dec 11 00:15:23 <Thell_> luke-jr: kinda pathetic... I just ran the same speedtest from an external site and on the GPS+ Gb port I got 205KB/s  and on my laptop with a 100Mb port I got 276KB/s  :(
Dec 11 00:16:08 <luke-jr> Thell_: configured the same?
Dec 11 00:16:42 <Thell_> lol, no.  1 is Gb and one is 100Mb  :P
Dec 11 00:16:50 <Thell_> sorry couldn't resist that one
Dec 11 00:17:47 <Thell_> no special config on either
Dec 11 00:28:56 <Thell_> and on my other laptop (which has a Gb port) the same three tests average out to right about 260KB/s and that is _with_ Comodo fully running and active scan for Eset.  So, I'm not impressed with the default Gb performance, perhaps after doing some config and tweaking it'll get better, but no matter how I look at it a 100Mb ethernet going onto Win7 with Firewall active should not beat 1Gb ethernet
Dec 11 00:29:25 <Thell_> with no firewall
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