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Mar 03 03:16:55 <dmb> still don't have my shipping number
Mar 03 03:17:01 <dmb> although they say its shipped
Mar 03 03:17:03 <dmb> :/
Mar 03 03:18:55 <Tootoot222> dmb: send them an email
Mar 03 03:19:01 <Tootoot222> they usually respond with helpful answers
Mar 03 03:27:13 <dmb> Tootoot222: you get yours?
Mar 03 03:27:34 <Tootoot222> dmb: i haven't ordered a dreamplug yet
Mar 03 03:27:45 <dmb> oh
Mar 03 03:27:50 <dmb> i wonder if anyone did :)
Mar 03 03:27:52 <Tootoot222> need to gather some more funds for it
Mar 03 03:27:56 <Tootoot222> i'd like to
Mar 03 03:28:02 <Tootoot222> to replace the guruplug with the heatsink from hell
Mar 03 03:28:03 <Tootoot222> lol
Mar 03 03:29:33 <dmb> i havn't decided what to do with my old guruplug server yet, could just use it as my toy
Mar 03 03:29:56 <dmb> i should put real debian on it
Mar 03 03:31:41 <Tootoot222> you could hide it in a library or something and borrow their internet lol
Mar 03 03:31:52 <Tootoot222> coffee shop etc
Mar 03 03:34:47 <tinker-f595> I am going to put the fedora 13 beta on my openRD client this weekend and then at somepoint in the future on the guruplug
Mar 03 03:38:48 <dmb> is it that hard to put it on the nand directly without a sdcard?
Mar 03 03:39:35 <Tootoot222> i would think it would be easier
Mar 03 03:39:43 <Tootoot222> i have my kernel and / on nand
Mar 03 03:39:59 <Tootoot222> and mount /usr /home and /var from an esata drive
Mar 03 03:40:36 <zooko> Does anyone know how one would go about buying Sheevaplugs at wholesale prices in order to resell them retail, the way Pogo and Tonido and those other companies do?
Mar 03 03:41:02 <zooko> I guess I could ask globalscaletechnologies, from whom I buy my 1-unit dev kits.
Mar 03 03:44:16 <dmb> yeah zooko, i would give them a call
Mar 03 03:44:24 <dmb> i'm sure they would work something out
Mar 03 03:44:34 <zooko> Have you used them?
Mar 03 03:44:54 <dmb> just as a individual buyer
Mar 03 03:45:01 <dmb> they usually respond promptly
Mar 03 03:45:05 <dmb> any cool ideas?
Mar 03 03:45:06 <Tootoot222> zooko: they have a contact us/get a quote form you can fill out
Mar 03 03:45:16 <Tootoot222> i assume that that's for asking how much of a discount you can get for large orders
Mar 03 03:45:21 <zooko> Yeah, I fired off a request for information.
Mar 03 03:45:32 <zooko> I'm starting small so I can't really place a *big* order right away, but I can plan.
Mar 03 03:45:44 <zooko> If it looks right then I could borrow a bit of cash to get started.
Mar 03 03:45:55 <zooko> dmb: I'm a developer and leader of the Tahoe-LAFS open source project.
Mar 03 03:46:07 <Tootoot222> i'm sure they wouldn't mind if you asked them theoretical prices for numbers of plugs
Mar 03 03:46:10 <zooko> I think Tahoe-LAFS on a Sheevaplug might be a good idea.
Mar 03 03:46:19 <zooko> Several people have told me they'd buy one for $100.
Mar 03 03:47:23 <dmb> oh, thats the freedombox thing, sounds very interesting :)
Mar 03 03:48:51 <Tootoot222> zooko: so you'd use the plugs as the gateway?
Mar 03 03:49:15 <Tootoot222> (looking at the explanation page image on the tahoe-lafs website)
Mar 03 03:51:03 <zooko> There are two ways you might use it. 1. You could have a plug even if it had no attached hard drive and you could use it as a gateway to storage which is either hosted by a company (e.g. Amazon S3) or to storage which is hosted by your friends.
Mar 03 03:51:17 <zooko> 2. You could attach a USB hard drive to it and then it becomes a storage server which you can serve to your friends. :_)
Mar 03 03:51:42 <Tootoot222> but if you have a drive on it you can still use it as a gateway right?
Mar 03 03:51:57 <zooko> It *is* sort of related to freedombox, just because Tahoe-LAFS is freedom-preserving software, but this idea is my baby and will be a commercial operation, where freedombox is Eben Moglen's baby and is a non-profit.
Mar 03 03:52:01 <zooko> Yes, you still can.
Mar 03 03:52:26 <zooko> So, one approach is you and a few of your friends each buy one, attach a hard drive to it, and put it in your networking closet/garage/under your t.v./etc.
Mar 03 03:52:40 <zooko> And then they form a shared virtual filesystem that you and your friends can all use.
Mar 03 03:52:55 <zooko> Your data is distributed off-site and redundant so that if your house burns down you won't lose it.
Mar 03 03:53:06 <zooko> (Provided you kept the encryption key somewhere other than your house.)
Mar 03 03:53:15 <zooko> And also it is very handy for file-sharing. :-)
Mar 03 03:53:17 <zooko> I'm pretty excited! :-)
Mar 03 03:54:01 <Tootoot222> cool
Mar 03 03:54:13 <dmb> sounds kind of cool
Mar 03 03:54:25 <dmb> imagine college dorms
Mar 03 03:54:33 <Tootoot222> does the tahoe-lafs already support/compile/work on arm, or have you not had a plug to port it to yet?
Mar 03 03:54:53 <zooko> It already deos.
Mar 03 03:54:59 <zooko> We have an ARM buildslave on our buildbot farm.
Mar 03 03:55:05 <Tootoot222> cool
Mar 03 03:55:06 <zooko> "We" in that sentence is the Tahoe-LAFS open source project.
Mar 03 03:55:10 <Tootoot222> yea
Mar 03 03:55:16 <zooko> I got my own Sheevaplug in the mail the other day, and promptly bricked it. :-(
Mar 03 03:55:20 <Tootoot222> lol?
Mar 03 03:55:24 <Tootoot222> you can unbrick it =p
Mar 03 03:55:28 <zooko> Trying to force it to upgrade to Ubuntu Lucid from the Jaunty that it came with
Mar 03 03:55:32 <Tootoot222> hehe
Mar 03 03:55:35 <zooko> Yeah, the next step I guess is serve a rootfs with NFS...
Mar 03 03:55:41 <Tootoot222> they stopped supporting armv5 in jaunty =p
Mar 03 03:55:56 <zooko> Last time I saw my pal Sebastian he was running the Ubuntu rootfs builder program to build a Jaunty armv5te rootfs...
Mar 03 03:56:32 <Tootoot222> well jaunty builds already exist, for example in the sheevaplug installer v1.0
Mar 03 03:56:51 <Tootoot222> you can literally just extract that tarball
Mar 03 03:56:55 <Tootoot222> and use it wherever you need
Mar 03 03:56:58 <Tootoot222> (nfs, usb, sd, etc)
Mar 03 03:57:19 <Tootoot222> it's good for a quick recovery if you broke the booting files but need a config from the nand
Mar 03 03:58:51 <zooko> I couldn't find it.
Mar 03 03:58:54 <zooko> The Marvell site was 404.
Mar 03 03:58:58 <zooko> So we started building a new one...
Mar 03 03:59:01 <Tootoot222> http://www.plugcomputer.org/index.php/us/resources/downloads?func=select&id=5
Mar 03 03:59:19 <Tootoot222> in the installer/rootfs.tar.gz
Mar 03 03:59:23 <zooko> Do you recommend any other wholesaler than GlobalScaleTechnologies?
Mar 03 03:59:32 <zooko> Or do you have any idea what the price in bulk might be?
Mar 03 03:59:38 <Tootoot222> they're the only one i've ever bought from
Mar 03 03:59:43 <zooko> Tootoot222: thanks!
Mar 03 03:59:45 <Tootoot222> and no, i've only bought individually
Mar 03 04:00:25 <Tootoot222> zooko: also, if you need kernels to work with you can get them from http://sheeva.with-linux.com/sheeva/
Mar 03 04:00:50 <Tootoot222> extract the modules (in the folder) into where ever you have your rootfs extracted to before booting the kernel
Mar 03 04:02:27 <dmb> is there any other wholeseller of plugs besides globalscale?
Mar 03 04:02:54 <Tootoot222> the ionics plugs are, i think
Mar 03 04:05:16 <zooko> Tootoot222: thanks!
Mar 03 04:10:07 <zooko> I wonder what it would take -- at this point I reveal my abysmal ignorance of electronics -- to have a battery-powered Sheevaplug.
Mar 03 04:11:27 <Tootoot222> 5 volts and at least 2 amps for as long as you can power it for
Mar 03 04:11:49 <Tootoot222> (although it only uses above 1 amp at max load)
Mar 03 04:12:26 <Tootoot222> i saw somebody took the solar panels out of pathway lights and wired them in paralel to get 2 amps
Mar 03 04:12:33 <Tootoot222> it worked too
Mar 03 04:12:37 <zooko> :-)
Mar 03 04:13:11 <Tootoot222> the solar panels only cost him like 20$ too, they were just some cheap path lighting
Mar 03 04:13:47 <Tootoot222> but as for batery powered; i'd say the sheevaplug isn't really a great target for being battery powered
Mar 03 04:14:00 <Tootoot222> it's only means of interent access is the ethernet port
Mar 03 04:14:13 <Tootoot222> so you're going to have to have a pretty long ethernet cable attached to make any sort of use on the battery
Mar 03 04:15:16 <zooko> :-)
Mar 03 04:15:22 <zooko> I was thinking of it being an adjunct to a laptop.
Mar 03 04:15:38 <zooko> You could go to a coffeeshop, pull out your laptop, pull out your plug, and ethernet them together.
Mar 03 04:15:45 <zooko> Also Dreamplug has wlan.
Mar 03 04:16:01 <Tootoot222> yeah, guruplug and dreamplug both have wireless on them
Mar 03 04:16:40 <Tootoot222> what would be cool to do is have a dual usb device that transformed the usb power into the dreamplug's little power socket
Mar 03 04:16:56 <Tootoot222> since usb ports are rated to at least 0.5amps, it should be enough to power the plug on usb alone
Mar 03 04:17:14 <Tootoot222> (most usb ports allow sending more power than half an amp though, upwards of 1-1.5 amps)
Mar 03 04:17:58 <Tootoot222> it would only be plausable on the dreamplug though, as the other plugs take 110/220v in a figure-eight cable and then transform it down to 5v
Mar 03 04:18:10 <Tootoot222> the dreamplug has the removable power supply
Mar 03 04:18:35 <Tootoot222> so all you'd have to do is get a cable that fits in the power socket going into the plug's board, and you can make any kind of battery or power supply you want
Mar 03 04:18:50 <Tootoot222> (since that socket is 5v)
Mar 03 04:19:21 <zooko> Tootoot222: interesting!
Mar 03 04:19:27 <zooko> Okay I think I need to wind down for the night.
Mar 03 04:19:30 <zooko> Thanks for chatting!
Mar 03 04:19:32 <Tootoot222> np
Mar 03 04:19:33 <Tootoot222> night
Mar 03 06:04:21 <tinker-f595> zooko: globalscale is the OEM of the sheevaplugs and guruplugs
Mar 03 06:05:03 <Tootoot222> tinker-f595: they're not the only makers of plug-form-factor computers though
Mar 03 06:05:50 <tinker-f595> They are the primary one and some of the others may be just ordering customized items from globalscale
Mar 03 06:06:17 <tinker-f595> the other ones tend not to have serial terminal access
Mar 03 06:07:12 <tinker-f595> zooko: I actually got the contact info for the head of sales  and marketing at globalscale some time back
Mar 03 06:08:23 <tinker-f595> Tootoot222: I wonder if the dreamplug will come out of the box with a webserver configured like the guruplugs do
Mar 03 06:08:47 <Tootoot222> idk; the guruplug's web server seemed to have been for a demo show
Mar 03 06:08:55 <Tootoot222> it has "sheevaplug wifi demo" written all over the place
Mar 03 06:09:17 <tinker-f595> Tootoot222: not on my guruplug
Mar 03 06:09:38 <tinker-f595> it actually had some useful web applications
Mar 03 06:09:53 <Tootoot222> the default server they shipped with
Mar 03 06:09:54 <Tootoot222> ?
Mar 03 06:10:09 <tinker-f595> yes
Mar 03 06:11:07 * tinker-f595 time for sleep
Mar 03 06:13:44 <zooko> Thanks, tinker-f595. Good sleep.
Mar 03 09:27:56 <kerio> hmm, what distro do the newer plugs come with?
Mar 03 09:27:58 <kerio> still ubuntu?
Mar 03 10:34:19 <elFidel> kerio: talking about what plug in specific?
Mar 03 10:34:45 <kerio> well, any plug, since ubuntu 9.04 is really old and ubuntu has discontinued the armv5el
Mar 03 10:38:27 <elFidel> good question - cant offer an answer sorry
Mar 03 10:39:02 <elFidel> using debian squeeze on mine (manually installed)
Mar 03 11:21:12 <kerio> well of course, me too
Mar 03 11:21:39 <ShadowJK> newit lets you pick and choose os
Mar 03 16:22:42 <Tootoot222> kerio: globalscale ships with debian on the guruplug and dreamplug
Mar 03 16:22:56 <Tootoot222> i couldn't tell you what version though
Mar 03 16:29:39 <themill> the guruplugs shipped with lenny + funny custom kernel on them
Mar 03 16:33:00 <kerio> ._.
Mar 03 16:33:22 <kerio> GLOBALSCALE, Y U NO UPDATE
Mar 03 16:34:34 <themill> they may well be shipping squeeze now; I have no idea.
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