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Mar 29 18:09:26 <jfb_h20> I've managed SD as a root files system, is it possible to use an external USB drive as a root file system (i.e. a WD 1 TB drive)?
Mar 29 18:09:52 <kerio> sure
Mar 29 18:10:01 <kerio> booting from it, though... not so sure
Mar 29 18:10:09 <kerio> uboot is kinda flaky like that
Mar 29 18:10:53 <kerio> usually you can just keep retrying though
Mar 29 18:18:39 <jfb_h20> so instead of /dev/mmcblk0p1 what would I use?
Mar 29 18:26:01 <kerio> some kind of /dev/sda
Mar 29 18:26:06 <kerio> probably /dev/sda1
Mar 29 18:26:11 <kerio> er, rephrasing
Mar 29 18:26:14 <kerio> some kind of /dev/sd*
Mar 29 18:26:36 <jfb_h20> I guess /dev/sda1
Mar 29 18:26:39 <kerio> or - even better - an UUID
Mar 29 18:26:59 <jfb_h20> ah, you can do that with Uboot?
Mar 29 18:27:17 <kerio> of course not
Mar 29 18:27:26 <kerio> it's just something you pass to linux
Mar 29 18:27:31 <kerio> how to load linux is an entirely different issue
Mar 29 18:27:44 <kerio> the easiest solution is to have a kernel in the NAND
Mar 29 18:27:52 <jfb_h20> ah. seems I'd better go read a bit more on Ubbot
Mar 29 18:27:54 <kerio> if you want to load the kernel from usb, it's harder
Mar 29 18:28:15 <jfb_h20> well, as I said, I have the kernel on SD now, which wasn't too bad...
Mar 29 18:28:22 <jfb_h20> (following a recipe, of course)
Mar 29 18:28:41 <jfb_h20> but I'd prefer if everything were just on my USB drive...
Mar 29 18:36:09 <jfb_h20> Is 9.04 still the latest version of Ubuntu I can use? With ARM support?
Mar 29 18:38:33 <kerio> why would you ever use ubuntu anyway?
Mar 29 18:38:37 <kerio> :<
Mar 29 18:38:48 <kerio> yeah, they dropped the support for armel for 9.10 onwards
Mar 29 18:42:44 <jfb_h20> well, because it provided a base that enabled me to become a linux user!
Mar 29 18:44:18 <jfb_h20> but to be honest, I'm starting to think of moving to something else... but that's not the point of this conversation ;)
Mar 29 18:46:17 <kerio> the point is use debian
Mar 29 18:46:19 <kerio> srsly
Mar 29 18:52:24 <jfb_h20> from what I'm reading, seems I'm going to learn about debian via the Sheeva plug...
Mar 29 19:45:56 <jfb_h20> anyone mind commenting if this is an up-to-date approach: http://www.cyrius.com/debian/kirkwood/sheevaplug/index.html
Mar 29 19:48:30 <tbm> jfb_h20: yes, it's up to date
Mar 29 19:53:00 <jfb_h20> tbm, thanks.
Mar 29 20:26:30 <jfb_h20> following kirkwood's instructions on upgrading uboot, I'm running into this error after attempting to 'fatload'
Mar 29 20:26:38 <jfb_h20> ** Can't read from device 0 **
Mar 29 20:26:48 <jfb_h20> ** Unable to use usb 0:1 for fatload **
Mar 29 20:27:06 <jfb_h20> but usb start, seems to work fine... any suggestions?
Mar 29 20:38:07 <Tootoot222> jfb_h20: you just have to keep guessing divice/nodes for that
Mar 29 20:38:12 <Tootoot222> until you find the one that works
Mar 29 20:38:39 <Tootoot222> if you partiton is on sda1, then just keep trying 0:1, 1:1, etc
Mar 29 20:39:47 <jfb_h20> fatload usb 0:1 0x0800000 uboot.bin
Mar 29 20:40:01 <jfb_h20> so here I should change 0:1 to 1:1, etc... what is the octal number?
Mar 29 20:40:17 <jfb_h20> Hope I don't need to play a guessing game with that?
Mar 29 20:44:11 <jfb_h20> usage: fatload <interface> <dev[:part]> <addr> <filename> [bytes]
Mar 29 20:44:25 <jfb_h20> apprently it's the address... so how do I know what to use for that?
Mar 29 20:45:34 <Tootoot222> jfb_h20: it's a memory address for the file to be loaded to
Mar 29 20:45:47 <Tootoot222> uboot reserves the first 0x800000 for itself
Mar 29 20:45:51 <Tootoot222> after that you can use whatever you want
Mar 29 20:45:51 <jfb_h20> ah, loaded 'to', ok.
Mar 29 20:46:01 <Tootoot222> so 0x800000 is a perfect number
Mar 29 20:46:02 <jfb_h20> unfortunately, I'm not having success...
Mar 29 20:46:14 <jfb_h20> even guessing different dev numbers
Mar 29 20:52:43 <Tootoot222> jfb_h20: like kerio said, using a usb device to read the kernel off of doesn't always work
Mar 29 20:52:51 <Tootoot222> really the only reliable way is to read it off the nand
Mar 29 20:52:57 <Tootoot222> makes for a faster boot too
Mar 29 20:53:50 <kerio> NAND ^_^
Mar 29 20:54:20 <jfb_h20> ok, well, then I'll need to find another tutorial for upgrading uboot, which is all I'm trying to do so far.. not even tot he point yet about loading the kernel :s
Mar 29 20:54:24 <jfb_h20> have a good link?
Mar 29 20:54:33 <Tootoot222> what are you trying to load off of the usb?
Mar 29 20:54:43 <jfb_h20> uboot.bin
Mar 29 20:54:46 <Tootoot222> tftp works much better for loading that
Mar 29 20:55:04 <kerio> tru dat
Mar 29 20:55:13 <jfb_h20> I don't have a tftp server...
Mar 29 20:55:19 <kerio> well, actually openocd works much better for loading that
Mar 29 20:55:22 <Tootoot222> do you have a computer?
Mar 29 20:55:34 <kerio> tftp is a close second though :)
Mar 29 20:55:43 <Tootoot222> yeah
Mar 29 20:55:43 <jfb_h20> indeed I do!
Mar 29 20:55:46 <Tootoot222> openocd is probably easier
Mar 29 20:55:51 <Tootoot222> jfb_h20: then you have a tftp server =p
Mar 29 20:55:52 <Tootoot222> just install one
Mar 29 20:55:59 <jfb_h20> I figured that was coming...
Mar 29 20:56:17 <kerio> Tootoot222: should i write something for the wiki related to os x and openocd?
Mar 29 20:56:48 <Tootoot222> kerio: is there something special you had to do that isn't on the wiki
Mar 29 20:56:49 <Tootoot222> ?
Mar 29 20:56:57 <jfb_h20> goes off to read about openocd and tftp
Mar 29 20:57:29 <Tootoot222> jfb_h20: grab the sheevaplug_installer_v1.0
Mar 29 20:57:39 <Tootoot222> it has openocd in it
Mar 29 20:57:40 <kerio> Tootoot222: well, all i had to do was a brew install openocd
Mar 29 20:57:49 <kerio> well, a brew install --enable-libftdi openocd
Mar 29 20:57:56 <kerio> and then it worked
Mar 29 20:58:05 <kerio> i was expecting something like fire and brimstone and kernel panics
Mar 29 21:19:03 <jfb_h20> I'm reading the readme for the installer, it seems I'll end up with Ubuntu 9.04? The point of starting this project was to be able to install a different dist, with a newer kernel
Mar 29 21:24:23 <kerio> jfb_h20: why not install stuff in the NAND?
Mar 29 21:24:27 <kerio> it's the only always-reliable thing
Mar 29 21:25:33 <jfb_h20> kerio, i'm really a noob here... so to be honest, I'm not sure. I'm just looking for instructions on how to set up my sheeva plug to run as a transmission and squeezecenter server...
Mar 29 21:25:44 <kerio> squeezecenter? :o
Mar 29 21:25:57 <kerio> oh, cute, media server
Mar 29 21:26:19 <jfb_h20> come on,
Mar 29 21:26:52 <jfb_h20> it works well for my needs... trust me, this is all a 'process' toward understanding how to build a proper media server.
Mar 29 21:27:36 <kerio> well i'd just use a nfs share
Mar 29 21:27:45 <kerio> but i'm a nerd, and i loathe easy interfaces
Mar 29 21:29:04 <jfb_h20> nah, that'd be too easy1
Mar 29 21:29:13 <jfb_h20> no learnin' that way ;)
Mar 29 21:35:26 <jfb_h20> so maybe what would be easier is to just upgrade my kernel, right now it's 2.6.22 how would I upgrade it? Links to references?
Mar 29 21:39:15 <Tootoot222> jfb_h20: the installer will only install ubuntu if you put the rootfs.tar.gz on the usb
Mar 29 21:39:39 <Tootoot222> you can actually put anything in rootfs.tar.gz and it will extract it onto the nand for you
Mar 29 21:39:53 <jfb_h20> one concern, it mentions a sheevaplug-installer/installer/uboot-custom.txt file
Mar 29 21:39:55 <Tootoot222> (I.E. if you've done a debian install or something, you can tar it up and put it there)
Mar 29 21:39:57 <jfb_h20> but the file does not exist
Mar 29 21:40:02 <Tootoot222> yes it does
Mar 29 21:40:10 <Tootoot222> uboot-nand-custom.txt
Mar 29 21:40:50 <Tootoot222> what you can do if you just want to have it update your kernel and uboot is remove anything related to the initrd in that file
Mar 29 21:41:02 <Tootoot222> and don't put the initrd or rootfs.tar.gz on the usb
Mar 29 21:41:05 <jfb_h20> ah, it's not in installer, it's in uboot/uboot-env
Mar 29 21:41:13 <Tootoot222> oh
Mar 29 21:41:13 <Tootoot222> yea
Mar 29 21:41:44 <jfb_h20> but if my kernel is on SD will it work?? Or am I just missing something entirely.
Mar 29 21:41:59 <Tootoot222> the installer burns your kernel onto the nand
Mar 29 21:42:04 <Tootoot222> which is the only sane place to put it
Mar 29 22:07:01 <jfb_h20> Marvell>> fatload usb 0:1 0x0800000 uboot.bin
Mar 29 22:07:03 <jfb_h20> reading uboot.bin
Mar 29 22:07:05 <jfb_h20> Invalid FAT entry
Mar 29 22:07:09 <jfb_h20> 4096 bytes read
Mar 29 22:07:10 <jfb_h20> should that concern me?
Mar 29 22:08:17 <jfb_h20> becauase I'm about to run: nand erase 0x0 0xa0000 and then: nand write 0x0800000 0x0 0xa0000
Mar 29 22:08:19 <Tootoot222> menas you probably read from the wrong partition
Mar 29 22:08:26 <Tootoot222> 4kb is definately not enough
Mar 29 22:08:30 <jfb_h20> ok
Mar 29 22:08:31 <Tootoot222> you need like 4mb
Mar 29 22:08:41 <Tootoot222> (or maybe more like 2-3mb)
Mar 29 22:10:21 <jfb_h20> I'm following these instructions: http://www.cyrius.com/debian/kirkwood/sheevaplug/uboot-upgrade.html
Mar 29 22:10:40 <jfb_h20> the file uboot.bin is only 4kb it seems
Mar 29 22:10:49 <Tootoot222> oh
Mar 29 22:10:54 <jfb_h20> maybe it's just a patch?
Mar 29 22:11:01 <Tootoot222> it should definatly not be 4kb
Mar 29 22:11:08 <Tootoot222> where'd you get it from?
Mar 29 22:11:25 <jfb_h20> Please download the U-Boot 3.4.27+pingtoo binary and save it as uboot.bin
Mar 29 22:11:33 <jfb_h20> the link on that page
Mar 29 22:12:02 <Tootoot222> 460kb+ for me
Mar 29 22:12:05 <Tootoot222> which is about right
Mar 29 22:12:07 <Tootoot222> not 4kb
Mar 29 22:12:24 <Tootoot222> try redownload it
Mar 29 22:12:29 <jfb_h20> ok.
Mar 29 22:12:41 <Tootoot222> maybe you removed your usb drive "unsafely" after writing the file
Mar 29 22:12:47 <Tootoot222> and it got corrupted/half written
Mar 29 22:17:43 <jfb_h20> very strange, two different USB sticks, redownloaded, etc. ...
Mar 29 22:17:47 <jfb_h20> same result
Mar 29 22:36:21 <Tootoot222> jfb_h20: tbh tftp is no-fail
Mar 29 23:06:30 <jfb_h20> uff.
Mar 29 23:07:06 <jfb_h20> now it seems I'm screwed. I tried running the Sheevaplug_installer, but as far as I can tell it failed, and I'm left with nothing...
Mar 29 23:07:31 <jfb_h20> too many 'how to's with different procedures... drat!
Mar 29 23:08:57 <jfb_h20> my plug won't boot anymore, just freezes at 'Uncompressing Linux...........................................................................................................................................'
Mar 29 23:09:53 <jfb_h20> M
Mar 29 23:20:06 <jfb_h20> success! (with uboot anyway...)
Mar 29 23:27:42 <jfb_h20> Tootoot222: kerio, so I get the impression you both think running off an SD card is a bad idea, but isn't it pretty standard?
Mar 30 00:38:08 <dmb> wow, i realized i got shipped an invalid dreamplug
Mar 30 00:38:23 <dmb> appearently its not supposed to have ubuntu on it, or be clocked at 400mhz
Mar 30 00:55:46 <Tootoot222> dmb: LOL
Mar 30 00:55:56 <Tootoot222> dmb: they put a sheevaplug board in a dreamplug or what
Mar 30 00:56:42 <Tootoot222> jfb_h20: there's absolutely nothing wrong with putting your rootfs on a sdcard, usb, or esata drive
Mar 30 00:56:46 <Tootoot222> or even a nfs share
Mar 30 00:56:57 <Tootoot222> but putting the linux kernel there causes nothing but problems
Mar 30 00:57:06 <Tootoot222> the kernel can find anything -- uboot can't
Mar 30 00:57:20 <Tootoot222> put the kernel where uboot can get to it, and you can have linux take care of the rest
Mar 30 01:09:48 <dmb> Tootoot222: is the sheevaplug 400mhz?
Mar 30 01:09:52 <Tootoot222> dmb: yes
Mar 30 01:09:56 <dmb> hahahah
Mar 30 01:09:56 <Tootoot222> the guruplug was 800mhz
Mar 30 01:09:59 <dmb> i think they did
Mar 30 01:10:01 <Tootoot222> XD
Mar 30 01:10:18 <dmb> Tootoot222: you have one? i want to compare the cpu info from /proc/cpuinfo
Mar 30 01:11:01 <Tootoot222> i don't have a dreamplug, no
Mar 30 01:11:04 <Tootoot222> i have guru+sheeva
Mar 30 01:14:49 <dmb> Tootoot222: i meant a sheevaplug
Mar 30 01:14:53 <dmb> i want to see if its the same cpu
Mar 30 01:15:07 <Tootoot222> sure
Mar 30 01:15:29 <Tootoot222> http://pastebin.com/K2aK3GxW
Mar 30 01:15:49 <Tootoot222> dmb: ^
Mar 30 01:17:42 <Tootoot222> http://pastebin.com/ia7p429E
Mar 30 01:17:43 <Tootoot222> guruplug ^
Mar 30 01:18:01 <Tootoot222> http://pastebin.com/Tsb7BXR7
Mar 30 01:18:05 <Tootoot222> diff between sheevaplug and guruplug ^
Mar 30 01:18:09 <Tootoot222> (respectively)
Mar 30 01:19:05 <dmb> oh interesting
Mar 30 01:19:16 <dmb> mine shows Hardware        : Marvell GuruPlug Reference Board
Mar 30 01:19:42 <dmb> so they are all the same cpu model, just different clocks?
Mar 30 01:20:24 <Tootoot222> memory clocks
Mar 30 01:20:32 <Tootoot222> i think so, yea
Mar 30 01:22:08 <dmb> they sent me an RMA
Mar 30 01:22:08 <dmb> sounds like for the other person, they just sent them another device
Mar 30 01:22:13 <dmb> i'm not the only one
Mar 30 01:24:10 <dmb> good thing i did not open the device
Mar 30 01:24:23 <dmb> they says if i were to of opened it, it would of voided warrenty
Mar 30 01:24:41 <Tootoot222> dmb: found your problem
Mar 30 01:24:42 <Tootoot222> http://plugcomputer.org/plugforum/index.php?topic=5765.0
Mar 30 01:24:46 <Tootoot222> second to bottom post here
Mar 30 01:24:55 <dmb> yup, thats what i was reading, made me check :)
Mar 30 01:24:58 <Tootoot222> lol
Mar 30 01:25:14 <dmb> i did notice my device was extra extra slow, never thought to check
Mar 30 01:25:32 <Tootoot222> i wonder how they could mess that up
Mar 30 01:25:40 <Tootoot222> build a totally wrong hardware
Mar 30 01:25:40 <Tootoot222> lol
Mar 30 01:27:12 <dmb> well, its definitely not sheevaplug hardware, it has wifi
Mar 30 02:22:49 <mijk> okay, I've gone back to stock firmware for my router and still trying to get a media server to work on my Guruplug
Mar 30 02:22:54 <mijk> no such luck
Mar 30 02:27:07 <mijk> what would cause any media server to not work? I'm running Debian Lenny and the plug is connected wirelessly
Mar 30 02:27:25 <Tootoot222> mijk: have you tried connecting wired(-ly)?
Mar 30 02:28:03 <mijk> no
Mar 30 02:29:05 <mijk> samba's working fine, I have webmin working, I don't know why media servers wouldn't work
Mar 30 02:29:23 <mijk> doesn't  help also, that I can download off the internet quicker than I can transfer to my Guruplug
Mar 30 02:29:40 <Tootoot222> via samba?
Mar 30 02:29:43 <Tootoot222> what speed are you getting?
Mar 30 02:29:46 <Tootoot222> on a 10/100 network?
Mar 30 02:30:19 <mijk> wirelessly I got about 350KB/s
Mar 30 02:30:25 <mijk> wired, seems okay
Mar 30 02:30:52 <Tootoot222> maybe the wifi is too slow to respond promptly with the server reply?
Mar 30 02:30:57 <Tootoot222> you should really try it wired
Mar 30 02:31:08 <mijk> my router is N
Mar 30 02:31:16 <Tootoot222> guruplug isn't afaik
Mar 30 02:31:20 <mijk> G
Mar 30 02:31:49 <mijk> 54Mbit is considerably quicker than 350KB/s
Mar 30 02:31:54 <Tootoot222> i've heard lots of things about the guruplug's wifi drivers causing problems too
Mar 30 02:31:56 <mijk> hell, even A is quicker
Mar 30 02:32:08 <Tootoot222> is that via samba?
Mar 30 02:32:12 <mijk> yes
Mar 30 02:32:19 <Tootoot222> and is your endpoint (laptop or whatever) also on wireless?
Mar 30 02:32:31 <mijk> no
Mar 30 02:32:34 <mijk> gigabit
Mar 30 02:32:48 <Tootoot222> well i would really try the media server on wired then
Mar 30 02:32:53 <Tootoot222> if the wifi seems to be slow
Mar 30 02:33:07 <mijk> media server isn't working at all
Mar 30 02:33:35 <Tootoot222> but is its problems a symptom of being on wireless?
Mar 30 02:33:48 <Tootoot222> 'cause you said you had done the media server on another computer and it worked
Mar 30 02:34:09 <mijk> yeah, today I streamed some stuff off my PC using PS3 Media Server
Mar 30 02:34:25 <Tootoot222> but that computer is wired
Mar 30 02:34:28 <mijk> yeah
Mar 30 02:34:39 <Tootoot222> that seems to be one of the only differences i can see that might make a difference if the guruplug's wifi is being slow
Mar 30 02:35:06 <mijk> well, I'll give it a shot, I'll have a find a spot for hte plug
Mar 30 02:40:25 <mijk> I'll be back tomorrow if it doesn't work ;)
Mar 30 02:40:58 <Tootoot222> ok
Mar 30 02:41:04 <mijk> thanks
Mar 30 02:41:05 <Tootoot222> you can come back and idle either way =p
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