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Aug 28 11:50:28 <rigid> doesn't the sheevaplug a temperature sensor? i can't find one in /proc or /sys
Aug 28 11:50:49 <rigid> i doubt there's any SoC that comes without temp-sensor... could it be?
Aug 28 11:52:10 <kerio> why not?
Aug 28 11:52:13 <kerio> what would be the use?
Aug 28 11:52:26 <kerio> perhaps the guruplug has one
Aug 28 11:52:28 <kerio> because fans
Aug 28 12:03:58 <rigid> kerio: the use for a temp-sensor?
Aug 28 12:04:10 <rigid> nowadays no CPU comes without temperature sensor
Aug 28 12:04:39 <rigid> i've seen only very very few that don't provide the temp-value via some interface
Aug 28 20:41:40 <tinker-f595> rigid: not true
Aug 28 20:42:47 <rigid> tinker-f595: are there lots of SoCs that don't support frequency-scaling or temperature reporting?
Aug 28 20:43:57 <tinker-f595> rigid: most ARM SOCs i have seen have some sort of frequency scaling
Aug 28 20:44:17 <tinker-f595> but most CPUs do not have temperature sensors
Aug 28 20:44:46 <tinker-f595> there are way more ARM  devices in the world than there are x86
Aug 28 20:53:17 <rigid> all without onboard temperature sensor?
Aug 28 21:13:37 <tinker-f595> the bulk of them yes...different architecture even at the cell level from x86...different needs
Aug 28 21:13:57 <tinker-f595> there are billions of ARM based devices in the field
Aug 28 21:20:05 <rigid> well, i was talking about SoC's still
Aug 28 21:21:07 <rigid> i really doubt there are more of that than x86 unless you count connectivity and low-cost types
Aug 28 21:22:27 <rigid> but i don't care really... i just wonder why the marvell soc in the sheevaplug should come without temp-sensor
Aug 28 21:26:18 <tinker-f595> rigid: there are far more arm SOCs out there than X86
Aug 28 21:26:58 <tinker-f595> for example nearly every single mobile phone hand set world wide uses ARM
Aug 28 21:27:25 <rigid> but not SoCs... maybe newer ones
Aug 28 21:27:28 <tinker-f595> rigid: because it does not need a temperature sensor for most uses
Aug 28 21:28:17 <tinker-f595> you really are comparing apples and oranges
Aug 28 21:28:28 <rigid> the sheevaplug doesn't need a temperature sensor? woot? oO
Aug 28 21:28:45 <rigid> search for "sheevaplug temperature" ;)
Aug 28 21:28:57 <tinker-f595> it does not...I have had mine running for over 2 years with no problems due to the SOC
Aug 28 21:30:00 <tinker-f595> rigid: and most of those postings you will find are form people that have put devices that suck too much power from usb into the usb port
Aug 28 21:30:25 <rigid> i'm comparing nothing... i just said I doubt there are less x86-based systems out there than ARM-based... both comparable to the Marvell one used in the SheevaPlug... not every ARM-MCU out there
Aug 28 21:31:02 <rigid> or from users who ran their sheevaplug in a hot environment
Aug 28 21:31:31 <tinker-f595> rigid: well it seems like you have not even done any basic research on numbers...
Aug 28 21:31:35 <rigid> monitoring temperature on a plug-computer is more than needed
Aug 28 21:32:25 <rigid> tinker-f595: numbers? i roughly estimate that an architecture sold for decades is more widespread than a thing that is "rather new"
Aug 28 21:32:26 <tinker-f595> no it is not ...  the only thing that is needed is common sense to not plug something in that draws more power than the usb port can handle
Aug 28 21:32:41 <tinker-f595> rigid: ARM has been sold for decades
Aug 28 21:32:59 <rigid> tinker-f595: and how do you prevent the sun shining or summer coming?
Aug 28 21:33:04 <tinker-f595> rigid: you really do need to learn some history
Aug 28 21:33:13 <rigid> temperature monitoring & passive cooling come together
Aug 28 21:33:36 <tinker-f595> rigid: passive cooling is just that
Aug 28 21:33:43 <rigid> tinker-f595: highly integrated SoC's comparable to an x86-system have been sold for decades?
Aug 28 21:33:52 <rigid> and i'm comparing apples and oranges?
Aug 28 21:34:05 <tinker-f595> yes you are
Aug 28 21:34:11 <rigid> it's like saying "TTL is more widespread than AVR"
Aug 28 21:34:17 <rigid> well then
Aug 28 21:34:29 <tinker-f595> ARM architecture is totally different from X86
Aug 28 21:34:40 <tinker-f595> even at the physical level
Aug 28 21:34:48 <rigid> you just didn't understand that i'm (still) not refering to the ARM architecture, but to SoC's
Aug 28 21:34:52 <tinker-f595> anyway need to go out now
Aug 28 21:35:12 <rigid> and only those comparable to the sheevaplug in efficiency & speed...
Aug 28 21:35:48 <tinker-f595> there aren't any...if you are comparing kirkwood  to X86
Aug 28 21:36:22 * tinker-f595 away - ging hiking
Aug 28 21:54:28 <rigid> did anyone use the i2c bus in the sheevaplug?
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