**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Oct 19 02:59:57 2011
Oct 19 05:25:49 <boxysean> Hey guys
Oct 19 05:26:24 <boxysean> I upgraded my guruplug and dreamplug using aptitude and the default distro
Oct 19 05:26:31 <boxysean> (debian lenny i presume)
Oct 19 05:26:50 <boxysean> i think this killed something with the networking features
Oct 19 05:26:56 <boxysean> i now get the following:
Oct 19 05:26:57 <boxysean> sheevaplug-debian:~# arp -a
Oct 19 05:26:57 <boxysean> sheevaplug-debian:~#
Oct 19 05:27:00 <kerio> cool story bro
Oct 19 05:27:13 <boxysean> any hints would be appreciated :)
Oct 19 05:27:47 <kerio> check /etc/network/interfaces i guess
Oct 19 05:28:29 <boxysean> okie doke i'll look into it / read about it
Oct 19 05:28:37 <boxysean> newb here obviously, but willing to learn
Oct 19 05:34:33 <boxysean> yep that was it :)
Oct 19 05:34:40 <boxysean> thanks kerio
Oct 19 09:13:12 <Andy1978> Hi @ all! Is there a specialiced wiki/forum for the DreamPlug?
Oct 19 09:29:47 <leighbb> Andy1978: The newit forum is pretty good www.newit.co.uk/forum
Oct 19 09:42:14 <Andy1978> leighbb: Hey thank you very much
Oct 20 01:28:32 <kbot> hello
Oct 20 01:28:56 <PhotoJim> Greetings.
Oct 20 01:32:46 <kbot> i have a pogoplug, i don't  really know anything about linux, i want to install ubuntu 9.0.4 on it as painfree as possible, where do you recommend i start?
Oct 20 01:33:16 <PhotoJim> Is there a reason you want to install Ubuntu?
Oct 20 01:33:23 <PhotoJim> Ubuntu has stopped supporting the ARM architecture.
Oct 20 01:33:40 <PhotoJim> Debian, on which Ubuntu is based, still supports ARM and is a better choice in my opinion.  It's what I use on my Sheevaplugs.
Oct 20 01:33:58 <kbot> i have archarmlinux on my pogoplug and i can't get it to support my printer
Oct 20 01:34:11 <kbot> my brother told me to stop screwing around with cups and install ubuntu
Oct 20 01:34:25 <kbot> as it should have good printer support
Oct 20 01:34:34 <PhotoJim> It's dead-end on ARM now, so I wouldn't recommend it.
Oct 20 01:34:37 <tinker-f595> kbot
Oct 20 01:34:48 <kbot> yes
Oct 20 01:34:53 <tinker-f595> kbot: ubuntu uses cups as well
Oct 20 01:35:00 <PhotoJim> that too.
Oct 20 01:35:11 <tinker-f595> kbot: cus is very simple to set up
Oct 20 01:35:15 <tinker-f595> cups
Oct 20 01:35:22 <PhotoJim> some printers just aren't well supported by Linux.
Oct 20 01:35:47 <tinker-f595> PhotoJim: I have actually found printer support on Linux to better than Windows
Oct 20 01:35:51 <kbot> idk i can't get it to work at all
Oct 20 01:36:06 <kbot> my brother said ubuntu should make the printer just work
Oct 20 01:36:25 <kbot> i don't really care which operating  system i end up using as long as it works
Oct 20 01:36:46 <PhotoJim> tinker-f595: it depends on the printer.  the inkjet I have in the basement will not work under Linux at all.  however, my Brother laser is very well supported under Linux.  that suits me fine since I rarely use the inkjet.
Oct 20 01:36:58 <kbot> i've a samsung laser
Oct 20 01:37:13 <PhotoJim> kbot: it's not that simple, unfortunately. and like I said, they don't update ARM Ubuntu anymore.  support stopped in April, 2011.
Oct 20 01:37:16 <tinker-f595> kbot: samsung laser is supported
Oct 20 01:37:30 <tinker-f595> kbot: how are you trying to access cups?
Oct 20 01:37:35 <tinker-f595> cups admin that is
Oct 20 01:37:50 <kbot> hold on
Oct 20 01:37:52 <tinker-f595> it is on port 631
Oct 20 01:38:15 <tinker-f595> so if you were on the machine locally it would be http://localhost:631/
Oct 20 01:38:17 <kbot> http://archlinuxarm.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=1657&p=9146&hilit=pogoplug+samsung#p9146
Oct 20 01:38:22 <kbot> theres stuff that i tried so far
Oct 20 01:38:25 <kbot> (on archarmlinux)
Oct 20 01:42:40 <kbot> so do you think i should just put debian on it?
Oct 20 01:42:52 <PhotoJim> I wouldn't put Ubuntu on it.
Oct 20 01:43:06 <PhotoJim> Debian is similar to Ubuntu in terms of how you administer it, so if you would have liked Ubuntu, you will like Debian.
Oct 20 01:43:22 <PhotoJim> Ubuntu's great on Intel and AMD, and that's about it.
Oct 20 01:43:34 <tinker-f595> Ubuntu is never great ;)
Oct 20 01:43:37 <PhotoJim> Heh.
Oct 20 01:43:49 <PhotoJim> I run Ubuntu on my server, but only because I wanted to try it.  I usually ran Debian.
Oct 20 01:44:34 <kbot> okay but if i put debian on it will the printer just work?
Oct 20 01:44:51 <kbot> i shouldn't have to recompile every single driver just to get something to work
Oct 20 01:45:03 <PhotoJim> It's as likely to just work as it would have been with Ubuntu, that's all I can say.
Oct 20 01:45:06 <tinker-f595> kbot: I just looked at the manual for your printer.  it supports postscript 3 so any postscript driver should work
Oct 20 01:45:14 <PhotoJim> There you go.
Oct 20 01:46:08 <kbot> i thought that was the delux version of ml2510 or something
Oct 20 01:46:44 <kbot> yep
Oct 20 01:46:58 <kbot> postscript emulation na
Oct 20 01:48:31 <tinker-f595> kbot: what was that?
Oct 20 01:48:59 <kbot> The manual seems to indicate it doesn't support postscript emulation
Oct 20 01:49:04 <kbot> only higher end models do
Oct 20 01:49:10 <PhotoJim> does it do PCL?
Oct 20 01:49:14 <tinker-f595> kbo
Oct 20 01:49:42 <tinker-f595> kbot: I downloaded another version of the manual and it seems you are correct...no PS and no PCL
Oct 20 01:50:04 <tinker-f595> what the heck
Oct 20 01:50:09 <kbot> ya
Oct 20 01:50:13 <tinker-f595> http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/content/UM/200809/20080926100848859_Guide_English.pdf
Oct 20 01:50:16 <kbot> http://www.retrevo.com/d/df/document.pdf?doc=ebd3be3f1fb14fd4abbebceea70ed83c&ts=1316104633804&rk=0.3961228673443492
Oct 20 01:50:34 <kbot> should i just use a different printer then
Oct 20 01:50:39 <tinker-f595>  kbot: http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/content/UM/200809/20080926100848859_Guide_English.pdf
Oct 20 01:50:43 <kbot> i have two laser printers i like the samsung better
Oct 20 01:51:11 <tinker-f595> samsung should work let me look at cups on one of my other systems
Oct 20 01:52:08 <kbot> thanks for your help
Oct 20 01:52:29 <PhotoJim> sounds like Samsung is worth avoiding if you care about Linux support
Oct 20 01:52:41 <PhotoJim> I prefer printers with well documented protocols so you don't need to rely on the manufacturer
Oct 20 01:52:49 <PhotoJim> this Brother printer just worked.  I was very pleased.
Oct 20 01:55:54 <PhotoJim> you might be able to get your Samsung working too but it will take some learning about Linux.  not a beginner's project.
Oct 20 01:56:02 <kbot> i have a brother laser too
Oct 20 01:56:10 <kbot> i want to spend as little time as possible on this
Oct 20 01:56:14 <PhotoJim> check the model and see if it supports PCL or PostScript.
Oct 20 01:56:38 <PhotoJim> my printer wasn't big money.  it was only about $130 and it does both wired and WiFi network connections, plus USB if you want.  I've never used the USB.
Oct 20 01:56:51 <PhotoJim> you can spend less if you stick to USB, but again, you want PCL or PostScript.
Oct 20 01:57:17 <PhotoJim> PostScript is technically better supported, but PCL under Linux works very well too.  slightly slow on some systems but livable.
Oct 20 01:59:38 <kbot> seems to support GDL emulation
Oct 20 01:59:42 <kbot> brother 2140
Oct 20 01:59:51 <kbot> i mean GDI
Oct 20 02:00:51 <tinker-f595> kbot: see if there is a gdi driver
Oct 20 02:00:52 <kbot> http://www.brother-usa.com/ModelDocuments/Consumer/Users%20Manual/UM_HL_2140_2170W_EN_1160.PDF
Oct 20 02:01:12 <tinker-f595> kbot: gdi offloads all the processing to the OS
Oct 20 02:02:21 <tinker-f595> as Photojim says you can get Brother printers that support postscript for not much cash
Oct 20 02:03:53 <kbot> http://welcome.solutions.brother.com/bsc/public_s/id/linux/en/index.html i don't think theey support linux
Oct 20 02:04:01 <kbot>  i have two printers i don't want to buy a third...
Oct 20 02:04:13 <PhotoJim> make a note to buy a compatible printer next time.
Oct 20 02:04:22 <PhotoJim> or find someone to buy the ones you have, and buy a compatible one.
Oct 20 02:04:29 <PhotoJim> get a good compatible printer and you'll have it for a decade or more.
Oct 20 02:05:57 <kbot> so there is nothing i can do to rather painlessly get my printer working?
Oct 20 02:05:59 <tinker-f595> kbot: supposedly this is the driver http://org.downloadcenter.samsung.com/downloadfile/ContentsFile.aspx?CDSite=UNI_CA&CttFileID=2044837&CDCttType=DR&ModelType=N&ModelName=ML-2510&VPath=DR/200902/20090225161105890/UnifiedLinuxDriver.tar.gz
Oct 20 02:06:58 <tinker-f595> quite likely for X86 only if it is gdi though
Oct 20 02:07:32 <tinker-f595> kbot: I am downloading it so I can see what is in the file
Oct 20 02:08:34 <PhotoJim> doesn't seem like it will be painless.
Oct 20 02:08:56 <kbot> not my printer but similar models samsung: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Samsung_ML-2245 https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Samsung_ML-2010R
Oct 20 02:08:57 <PhotoJim> I've got a used PostScript printer on my credenza at work I'm giving away.  Come to southern Saskatchewan and pick it up :)
Oct 20 02:09:10 <kbot> seemedto able to get their printer working on arm
Oct 20 02:09:49 <tinker-f595> PhotoJim: ha
Oct 20 02:11:06 <kbot> actually nvm that page has rather broken english i'm not sure what hes doing
Oct 20 02:17:41 <tinker-f595> kbot: the "UnifiedLinuxDriver.tar.gz" contains compiled UnifiedLinuxDriver.tar.gz
Oct 20 02:17:48 <tinker-f595> lost my wifi for a minute
Oct 20 02:18:24 <tinker-f595> kbot: the "UnifiedLinuxDriver.tar.gz" contains compiled x86 code ...
Oct 20 02:18:46 <kbot> damn
Oct 20 02:20:53 <kbot> so, i can't get it to work?
Oct 20 02:21:22 <tinker-f595> kbot: I forgot to look and see if cups has a generic GDI driver
Oct 20 02:32:13 <kbot> i can't find anything on it
Oct 20 02:32:25 <kbot> maybe i will just buy a laser multifunction off of ebay
Oct 20 02:32:41 <PhotoJim> might be the thing to do.
Oct 20 02:32:46 <PhotoJim> just make sure it does PCL or PostScript.
Oct 20 02:33:52 <tinker-f595> kbot: I would look for a brother...I much prefer their build quality over hp these days
Oct 20 02:34:10 <kbot> yeah i only like samsung and brother
Oct 20 02:34:26 <kbot> geeze these thigns are all gigantic
Oct 20 02:34:50 <tinker-f595> huh?
Oct 20 02:35:02 <kbot> laser multifunction
Oct 20 02:35:13 <kbot> inkjet  multifunctions are really small in comparison
Oct 20 02:35:45 <tinker-f595> kbot: where are you located?
Oct 20 02:36:16 <kbot> detroit/lansing
Oct 20 02:36:42 <tinker-f595> so definitely no Frys there
Oct 20 02:39:01 <kbot> yeah
Oct 20 02:39:03 <kbot> in troy
Oct 20 02:39:10 <kbot> 30 min outside of detroit
Oct 20 02:39:18 <kbot> errr
Oct 20 02:39:23 <kbot> microcenter im thinking of
Oct 20 02:40:40 <PhotoJim> laser printers need fusers to work.  inkjets  just need little tiny printer head nozzles.
Oct 20 02:40:43 <PhotoJim> but lasers are way cheaper to run.
Oct 20 02:40:53 <kbot> so i found a printer that supports pcl but not postscript
Oct 20 02:40:53 <kbot> is that good
Oct 20 02:40:54 <PhotoJim> and they don't get gunk in the heads.  they have no heads.
Oct 20 02:40:58 <PhotoJim> PCL is fine.
Oct 20 02:41:10 <PhotoJim> PostScript is better, but for the average user I doubt it would matter.
Oct 20 02:41:16 <PhotoJim> mine doesn't do PS.  I manage.
Oct 20 02:41:45 <kbot> yeah refilling cartridges is a pain in the ass
Oct 20 02:55:53 <kbot> is "pcl6" the same as pcl?
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