**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Dec 20 02:59:57 2011 Dec 20 13:37:12 what sort of lame distro requires you to be root to use a serial port? Dec 20 13:52:17 everyone, hopefully Dec 20 14:01:27 why does udev put them in group dialout then ;? Dec 20 14:02:11 because this is how it is supposed to work? if an user needs to directly access a serial port you add it to the dialout group Dec 20 14:03:27 which is what I first said isn't it? that's not the same as running running your terminal app as root Dec 20 14:06:11 (or maybe you missed the earlier context of Q: "do we have to be root to open a serial terminal on a /dev device?" A: yes ...) Dec 20 14:06:43 indeed Dec 20 14:07:33 ah, then you and I are on the same page about this at least :) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Dec 21 02:59:56 2011