**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Feb 28 23:59:56 2005 Mar 01 00:58:39 ne one awake? Mar 01 02:23:30 If I've previously compiled a kernel with CONFIG_SERIAL_PL2303 not set, and then recompile it with it =m, can I use that module with the first kernel? Mar 01 02:24:44 yes Mar 01 02:37:20 ka6sox: ping Mar 01 02:39:41 hmm - minicom doesn't compile in #oe for openslug Mar 01 02:39:54 what's the next best way to test a usb-serial port? Mar 01 02:40:32 let's try microcom .... Mar 01 02:40:59 kermit ? Mar 01 02:41:27 tho we should probably get minicom to build Mar 01 02:42:24 microcom is working Mar 01 02:43:38 cool Mar 01 02:43:59 heh - using a usb-serial cable plugged into a slug to log into the same slug via the serial port .... Mar 01 02:44:09 lol Mar 01 02:44:52 OroborousSlug Mar 01 02:46:06 ok, so now I now the driver works, it's time to try out the usb-serial hardware flow-control cable that ka6sox sent me ... Mar 01 02:51:43 hmm - no go Mar 01 02:57:28 would there be any objections to my including MD modules in the kernel config for openslug? Mar 01 02:58:18 shouldn't be any objections to any _modules_ should there? Mar 01 02:58:40 hmm - time to buzz the cable ... Mar 01 03:01:17 I wouldnt think so, but double checking... Mar 01 03:01:35 Though after todays IRQ26 discussions, I'm wondering how good an idea it is... Mar 01 03:01:52 I'll be adding usb-serial modules soon ... Mar 01 03:01:59 I was planning to upgrade my tunes server to openslug running the rootfs from a MD'd "conf" partition. Mar 01 03:03:58 Okay well I'll wait for your PL2303 push before messing with it., Mar 01 03:04:04 I'm not in a hurry. Mar 01 03:18:12 pushing now Mar 01 03:19:01 does anyone know what the story is with the sourceforge mirrors today? Mar 01 03:19:17 haven't tried Mar 01 03:19:19 I cant finish nail because it cant fetch it. Mar 01 03:19:32 tried like 4 mirrors. Mar 01 03:22:18 hmm - this cable doesn't seem right. Mar 01 03:23:02 anyone got the pinout for the usb serial cables that ka6sox had that have KQ2303 written on them? Mar 01 03:23:42 under serial adapters in the stuff guy gallery; I have the basic pinout someplace. Mar 01 03:24:06 I dont know if he sent you the cable that I sent him though. Mar 01 03:24:15 does your board have 1 or 2 chips? Mar 01 03:24:53 I chip Mar 01 03:25:09 k, thats the differnt cable. Mar 01 03:25:33 I just found a little J3 on the back which leaves CTS disconnected (this is for a cable with hw flow control) Mar 01 03:27:32 I have the pl2303 ds handy if you have questions. Mar 01 03:31:38 ok, I've buzzed PL2303 1 (TXD) to DB9M 3 (TXD), PL2303 3 (RTSn) to DB9M 7 (RTSn), PL2303 5 (RXD) to DB9M 2 (RXD), PL2303 7 (GND) to DB9M 5 (GND) and PL2303 11 (CTSn) to DB9M 8 (CTSn). All other pins on the DB9M are not connected. Mar 01 03:31:51 Can you verify those connections are correct? Mar 01 03:33:18 did you want DTR, DSR, DCD and RI? Mar 01 03:33:24 And do I need anything else on the DB9M apart from GND, RXD, TXD, RTSn and CTSn ? Do I need to tie DTRn, DSRn and DCDn to each other somehow (or to the other pins) ? Mar 01 03:33:42 ka6sox didn't have any of them in the cable to the DB9M. Mar 01 03:35:53 I'll be connecting this DB9M to a dinky-di modem, so I don't need any null modem stuff. Mar 01 03:36:50 TX is pin 3? I think its wired like a computer. Mar 01 03:37:23 yeah, this DB9M should be wired like the DB9M on the back of a PC Mar 01 03:37:36 it will plug into the DB9F on the back of the modem Mar 01 03:38:05 Ah okay Mar 01 03:38:55 So I figure I have the CTS/RTS flow control cable shown here: http://www.zytrax.com/tech/layer_1/cables/heavy.htm Mar 01 03:39:36 well, I have a DB9M which should plug into the left hand side of that diagram Mar 01 03:39:57 (if there was a PC on the other side. for a modem on the other side it should just be a straight through cable) Mar 01 03:40:03 does that sound correct? Mar 01 03:40:14 looks right to me; although sometimes modems expect DTR to be asserted. Mar 01 03:41:09 and my US Robotics doenst work right unless I flip the switch to tell it to ignore DCD. Mar 01 03:41:27 Hmm - I just realised something. I don't have a level converter in this circuit anywhere! Mar 01 03:41:38 LOL! Mar 01 03:41:43 Level Converter? Mar 01 03:42:01 well, this usb-serial board is just pumping out 5v signals, right? Mar 01 03:42:16 and I'm plugging it directly into a modem expecting RS232 signals Mar 01 03:42:31 no wonder it's not working! Mar 01 03:42:45 heh Mar 01 03:43:00 Got a spare MAX3232 around? Mar 01 03:43:40 hope you didnt zap it.... Mar 01 03:44:01 better than that - I have a spare AD232DBA :-) Mar 01 03:44:07 woo Mar 01 03:44:16 I HAD one lying around... but I cant find it anymore. Mar 01 03:44:55 5v version even (Ron sent it to me gratis) Mar 01 03:45:33 dont you want the 3V version though? Mar 01 03:45:43 (i'm not sure how your PL2303 is wired...) Mar 01 03:46:32 ok, I also have the other cable (the one with two chips and a crystal on it) Mar 01 03:47:54 If I only have one chip, then it must be 5v, right? Mar 01 03:51:49 hit it with the voltmeter to double check. Mar 01 03:51:52 I'm not sure. Mar 01 03:53:28 hmm - if I use this ad232db, then it's a db9F and I need a null modem ... Mar 01 03:54:01 nothing is ever simple .... :-( Mar 01 03:55:35 hmm, maybe I just pack it in and buy one of these: http://www.elx.com.au/item/UC232A Mar 01 04:00:40 I have one of those Mar 01 04:02:02 is it hardware flow control? Mar 01 04:02:02 I've been happy with it. Mar 01 04:02:13 I dunno, I could check.. Mar 01 04:04:55 hmm - I'd need to solder directly onto the pins of the max232 to get hw flow control - I think I'll skip that. Mar 01 04:05:42 I can't believe I've been so stupid not realising for all this time (since I asked ka6sox to make the cable for me last year) that I needed level converters in there. Mar 01 04:07:34 hmm - I wonder if i can open the modem up and find the ttl levels inside it and connect directly ... Mar 01 04:22:34 ok that aten has a prolific in it. Mar 01 04:24:54 pin 3 4 and 7 are asserted, so i think its probably safe to assume its hardware flow control. Mar 01 04:25:46 cool Mar 01 04:32:16 well, that's the second night in a row finishing in disillusionment. Mar 01 04:32:30 same here Mar 01 04:32:41 stupid sf.net mirrors. Mar 01 04:33:01 I'm mainly annoyed at myself for asking ka6sox to go to all the trouble of making the cable for me, and sending it, and now I realise that I can't use it. Mar 01 04:33:32 C'est la vie ... Mar 01 04:34:25 yep. Mar 01 04:34:31 night all Mar 01 04:36:14 night Mar 01 04:41:39 what was last night? intel licensing ? Mar 01 06:31:12 [g2], no news from Intel as of yet Mar 01 06:31:40 <[g2]> it's not 24-hours yet :) Mar 01 06:31:57 <[g2]> Hey you use Windows right ? Mar 01 06:32:04 yep... Mar 01 06:32:32 but installing debian to boot from usb hdd for my laptop (sound familiar?) Mar 01 06:33:05 <[g2]> Could you submit a message to Linksys or get in their chat support and ask about source release of Firmware 2.3 Rel 29 ? Mar 01 06:33:49 I tried once... the opensource email address has been killed at linksys Mar 01 06:34:21 I also tried their chat support and they got stubborn/stupid on me Mar 01 06:34:27 <[g2]> yeah that died for me yesterday. They've got a live chat app, but it didn't work with Moz. Mar 01 06:35:24 their chat support is worse than stupid, they're moronic... I think either dyoung or jacques was listening to me rant in channel that night that I was chatting with support Mar 01 06:36:39 I told support that I am a computer engineer and a device of mine was not powering up... they tried to "troubleshoot" the condition (on an unmanaged switch) Mar 01 06:38:56 <[g2]> ByronT, Frankenslug dead as in locked up ? Mar 01 06:39:40 nope... wife had flipped the switch on a powerstrip without telling me... Mar 01 06:40:06 he revived... I need to mod FrankenSlug with serial and now auto-power on... Mar 01 06:41:35 <[g2]> cool Mar 01 06:42:14 it was disconcerting to see him lifeless for a bit... ;) Mar 01 06:42:32 <[g2]> Ahhh.... poor Franky Mar 01 06:43:29 so many mods for Franky, so little time Mar 01 06:47:52 I'll see if I can find another email address at linksys to bother Mar 01 08:53:10 * ka6sox-away grumble Mar 01 15:31:53 can anybody characterize glc's problem with udev? Mar 01 15:35:54 He gets lots andn lots of icq26: nobody cared; making his console unusable. Mar 01 15:36:00 irq26 that is Mar 01 15:36:18 u nless theres another problem h es having that I dont know about. Mar 01 15:38:48 what is the issue with 2 drives not consistently coming up as sda and sdb? Mar 01 17:13:12 heya beewoolie Mar 01 17:13:15 I doubt that this is news to all of you, but you may overlook it... Mar 01 17:13:21 ka6sox-office: Hey Mar 01 17:13:31 how is new yuck? Mar 01 17:13:59 There is a fine article on slashdot about a column from the early 90's. The author's point is that software IS the design. Mar 01 17:14:09 It's awesome. Mar 01 17:14:46 I saw a special exhibit at the Met Museum about Fra Fillipo Lippi and his cohort. Mar 01 17:15:07 How elay? Mar 01 17:17:33 interesting Mar 01 17:17:46 is this a vacation or work? Mar 01 17:22:39 <[g2]-away> beewoolie, wb are you lost ? Mar 01 17:22:59 I'm on vacation. Mar 01 17:23:12 At the moment, I'd like to read email, but by server has gone offline. Mar 01 17:23:18 s/by/my/ Mar 01 17:23:24 And no I don't have a cold. Mar 01 17:23:34 <[g2]> from prpplague ? Mar 01 17:23:35 Just checking in. Mar 01 17:23:50 8-p Mar 01 17:24:10 <[g2]> Did you and Dollface have fun in NYC Mar 01 17:24:28 Dollface didn't come with. She was here a few weeks ago. Mar 01 17:24:38 <[g2]> ah... Mar 01 17:24:51 <[g2]> She was just there before you left Mar 01 17:25:42 Only so much time off. Mar 01 17:26:40 [g2]: check out that article by Reeves. IMHO, he's right on the money. Mar 01 17:27:04 <[g2]> Reeves ? Mar 01 17:32:40 <[g2]> http://www.developerdotstar.com/mag/articles/reeves_design_main.html Mar 01 18:48:43 . Mar 01 23:03:03 Any opensluggers around? Mar 01 23:10:39 nobody here but us chickens **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Mar 01 23:59:56 2005