**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Mar 05 23:59:56 2005 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Mar 06 11:20:55 2005 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Mar 06 11:24:04 2005 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Mar 06 11:30:27 2005 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Mar 06 11:34:05 2005 Mar 06 19:49:34 . Mar 06 19:49:44 , Mar 06 20:13:56 ; Mar 06 20:34:52 : Mar 06 20:35:23 ~ Mar 06 20:36:28 dyoung: what's your thoughts on ext3 as a module and switchbox test mounting partitions to validate a /.sdXXroot choice? Mar 06 20:37:20 seems to me that is ext3 is made a module, then we can't use ext3 in switchbox. Mar 06 20:38:03 (cause switchbox is kernel-independent, and modules are kernel dependent). We already deprecated recovery mode network support for this reason (when we had the IXP modules in the payload area) ... Mar 06 20:38:53 recovery still gets ixp drivers from payload though. Mar 06 20:39:16 so if openslug decides to make ext3 and jbd into modules, then switchbox has to mount things as ext2, and then both openslug and unslung have to be changed to remount the rootfs as ext3. Mar 06 20:41:20 which doesn't sound easy ... Mar 06 20:42:00 I think it's reasonable for recovery to use payload (cause it doesn't really matter if it's not there, as is currently the case in openslug), but I don't think we can have normal pivoting to external disk using payload ... Mar 06 20:42:57 how are the 2.6.11 testers pivoting to an external hard disk? Cause switchbox wouldn't be doing it for them in ext3 and jbd are external modules ... Mar 06 20:43:28 or is 2.6.11 testing so early that no-one has pivoted to an external hard disk yet? Mar 06 20:44:35 this is currently my only personal barrier to being able to help 2.6.11 testing - I need to be able to load rootfs from an external disk ... Mar 06 20:51:36 I'm not sure what to think at this point. Mar 06 20:52:16 I'm not pivoting yet. Mar 06 20:52:26 I think the main issue is everything just dont fit in the kernel. Mar 06 20:52:56 What I've been exploring is an initial pivot to the jffs2; but then having the jffs2 pivot to something else. Mar 06 20:54:56 are we sure that the stuff in giel's hit list will not make the kernel small enough to put ext3 and jbd back in? Mar 06 21:06:26 I dunno, wheres his list at? Mar 06 21:34:38 under openslug - kernelsomething Mar 06 21:35:28 http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/OpenSlug/KernelConfig Mar 06 21:35:29 ? Mar 06 21:55:37 yeah, that's the one. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Mar 06 21:56:37 2005 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Mar 06 22:26:04 2005 Mar 06 22:48:52 Looked. Gonna try some. I dontthink the extra network protocols add thatmuch since theyre modules... **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Mar 06 23:18:05 2005 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Mar 06 23:24:04 2005 Mar 06 23:24:26 cold/flu drug starting to take effect... good night all Mar 06 23:24:37 `night Mar 06 23:24:39 nite **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Mar 06 23:30:23 2005 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Mar 06 15:40:05 2005 Mar 06 15:45:08 okay thats enough kernel smashing for one night :P Mar 06 15:45:43 What did you upgrade to? Mar 06 15:45:53 it didn't take. Mar 06 15:46:05 I was going for 2.4.25 but didn't take. Mar 06 15:46:11 kept kernel panicing. Mar 06 15:46:20 (filesystem problem) Mar 06 15:46:41 sorry to hear that. Mar 06 15:46:45 I should build it on nudi..takes forever on gabe. Mar 06 15:47:33 and really build a 2.4.29 kernel. Mar 06 15:47:45 so when I get home I'll do that. Mar 06 15:48:10 well, if youre ka6sox-office, no wonder youre not answering me in another window. Mar 06 15:48:20 yeah. Mar 06 15:49:13 dyoung: what things did you try in trimming down the kernel? Mar 06 15:51:18 I accidentally trimmed too much... the short answer is dunno yet. Mar 06 15:51:59 ok, once I get done with CONFFILES so that I can ipkg upgrade with confidence, I'll try some too Mar 06 15:58:56 sigh, there should be a bk unbreak-your-repo command Mar 06 15:59:53 heh - it's called "clone" :-) Mar 06 16:07:41 bk on gabe is copying the repo to a rsync repo...is this still needed? Mar 06 16:10:27 ask peteru Mar 06 16:10:45 we could move that to nudi ... Mar 06 16:11:18 We should move it to nudi. Mar 06 16:11:30 also one of the bk_dev scripts is kind of deprecated. Mar 06 16:39:33 Anyone know which scheduler we are actually using (so we can make the others modules) ? Mar 06 17:25:26 nite Mar 06 17:27:36 `night ka6sox-zzzz Mar 06 17:41:45 jacques:hey Mar 06 17:42:09 jacques: do you know which scheduler openslug is using? I want to make the others into modules as giel suggested Mar 06 17:45:01 I don't know :-\ Mar 06 18:42:19 root@nslu2:~# dmesg|grep schedule Mar 06 18:42:19 Using anticipatory io scheduler Mar 06 18:42:59 so we can remove NOOP, DEADLINE and CFQ according to giel Mar 06 18:43:49 NOOP sounds rather useless, but I wonder what the other two are like. I have heard deadline is good for machines running high load servers Mar 06 18:44:23 an experiment for another day ... Mar 06 18:44:29 heh Mar 06 18:46:11 did you ever get to try 2.6.11 with a usb2.0 hub? (or hear of anyone else trying it?) Mar 06 18:46:58 I'm not trying 2.6.11 until it is able to load from an external disk again .... which at this stage means trimming down the kernel so ext3 and jbd will fit again Mar 06 18:47:07 ah Mar 06 18:47:42 where can I learn the official way to install openslug onto an external disk? Mar 06 18:47:52 on the vegetable page Mar 06 18:48:07 vegetable page? Mar 06 18:50:09 OpenSlugTurnUp Mar 06 18:50:53 hah ok Mar 06 19:25:30 Hmm - can't find where the schedulers are defined in Kconfig files .... Mar 06 19:33:41 drivers/block/Kconfig.iosched Mar 06 19:34:26 "The anticipatory I/O scheduler is the default disk scheduler. It is Mar 06 19:34:26 generally a good choice for most environments, but is quite large and Mar 06 19:34:26 complex when compared to the deadline I/O scheduler, it can also be Mar 06 19:34:26 slower in some cases especially some database loads." Mar 06 19:35:03 "The deadline I/O scheduler is simple and compact, and is often as good Mar 06 19:35:03 as the anticipatory I/O scheduler, and in some database workloads, Mar 06 19:35:03 better. In the case of a single process performing I/O to a disk at Mar 06 19:35:03 any one time, its behaviour is almost identical to the anticipatory Mar 06 19:35:04 I/O scheduler and so is a good choice." Mar 06 19:38:37 hmm Mar 06 19:39:40 hooray - now ipkg upgrade works without blowing away my /etc/resolv.conf file or other config changes .... :-) Mar 06 19:40:06 I'm doing a build with the deadline to see how much smaller it is. Mar 06 19:40:44 nice Mar 06 19:41:17 it's all a matter of adding CONFFILES lines to all the .bb files that you use. Mar 06 19:41:39 1015204 for anticipatory, 998836 for deadline (no other changes) Mar 06 19:42:06 that might actually do it to fit ext3/jbd Mar 06 19:42:51 oh - that was turning off NOOP and CFQ as well. Mar 06 19:43:01 no other changes except for the scheduler stuff Mar 06 19:43:55 do we really need EXT3_FS_XATTR and EXT3_FS_POSIX_ACL ? Mar 06 19:44:21 dunno what EXT3_FS_XATTR is but I doubt we need ACLs Mar 06 19:45:06 xattr is name:value pairs like ACLs. Mar 06 19:45:10 overkill I think Mar 06 19:45:27 http://acl.bestbits.at/ Mar 06 19:46:30 (BTW, those numbers were for 2.6.9 - building 2.6.11 now) Mar 06 19:47:21 hopefully we can put this ext3/jbd impasse behind us tonight .... Mar 06 19:49:30 yep Mar 06 19:55:50 -rw-r--r-- 1 rwhitby rwhitby 1081236 Mar 7 22:24 zImage-openslug Mar 06 19:56:19 deadline only, with ext3 and jbd back in as before Mar 06 19:57:39 :-\ Mar 06 19:58:04 how much smaller do we need it? Mar 06 19:58:23 32660 Mar 06 19:58:38 it needs to be <= 1048576 Mar 06 19:58:56 I wonder why it's so much bigger than 2.6.9 Mar 06 19:58:58 less another 16 for the header? Mar 06 19:59:08 oh yeah I forgot about the header Mar 06 19:59:10 kernel bloat Mar 06 19:59:50 I assume the kernel's being built with -Os ? (or is it -OS) Mar 06 20:01:19 dunno - can't tell from the log file: Mar 06 20:01:32 CC init/main.o Mar 06 20:01:33 CHK include/linux/compile.h Mar 06 20:01:33 UPD include/linux/compile.h Mar 06 20:01:33 CC init/version.o Mar 06 20:01:33 CC init/do_mounts.o Mar 06 20:02:06 ah yeah hmm Mar 06 20:02:32 the OPTIMIZE_FOR_SIZE config variable is set Mar 06 20:04:19 I was even able to ipkg upgrade openssh without losing the session I was using .... Mar 06 20:04:38 from the Makefile Mar 06 20:04:43 ifdef CONFIG_CC_OPTIMIZE_FOR_SIZE Mar 06 20:04:43 CFLAGS += -Os Mar 06 20:04:43 else Mar 06 20:04:43 CFLAGS += -O2 Mar 06 20:04:43 endif Mar 06 20:05:59 so 2.6.11 is 50k larger than the same 2.6.9 ... Mar 06 20:11:29 -rw-r--r-- 1 rwhitby rwhitby 1065332 Mar 7 22:40 zImage-openslug Mar 06 20:11:40 without all the ACL and XATTR stuff Mar 06 20:12:09 half-way there .... Mar 06 20:21:10 ah I see CONFIG_CC_OPTIMIZE_FOR_SIZE=y is already set in .config Mar 06 20:22:17 heh I wonder how much we would save by unsetting CONFIG_FPE_NWFPE=y ? Mar 06 20:22:27 in theory we do not need it for openslug Mar 06 20:23:17 are you sure about that (I have no idea about that stuff) ? Mar 06 20:23:45 -rw-r--r-- 1 rwhitby rwhitby 1056344 Mar 7 22:53 zImage-openslug Mar 06 20:24:02 removed the IKCONFIG stuff Mar 06 20:24:08 I am sure that in theory we can do without NWFPE yes Mar 06 20:24:16 and in openslug it should even work Mar 06 20:24:39 since the toolchain supposedly does not generate FPU instructions even tho it's soft-float Mar 06 20:24:47 what about unsetting CONFIG_MD=y ? Mar 06 20:24:47 75% there .... Mar 06 20:25:17 dyoung uses it Mar 06 20:25:37 damn we have about nevery networking option =y Mar 06 20:26:05 you seen giel's page? http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/OpenSlug/KernelConfig Mar 06 20:27:02 I'll look Mar 06 20:27:07 maybe it'll explain these: Mar 06 20:27:08 CONFIG_NET_SCHED=y Mar 06 20:27:08 CONFIG_NET_SCH_CLK_JIFFIES=y Mar 06 20:27:34 no, but it says they should be modules Mar 06 20:28:09 -rw-r--r-- 1 rwhitby rwhitby 1056268 Mar 7 22:57 zImage-openslug Mar 06 20:28:09 Took out PCI_LEGACY_PROC Mar 06 20:28:40 next is CONFIG_BLK_DEV_LOOP=m .... Mar 06 20:28:51 what about this: Mar 06 20:28:54 CONFIG_SCSI_QLA2XXX=y Mar 06 20:28:57 that does not look right Mar 06 20:29:02 it's a low level scsi driver Mar 06 20:29:25 CONFIG_SOUND_GAMEPORT=y Mar 06 20:29:55 are you looking at the right defconfig? Mar 06 20:30:12 QLA2XXX is a module in mine, and gameport is not set Mar 06 20:31:04 I'm looking at the .config in the kernel build dir - the one that really matters Mar 06 20:31:26 strange things happen when an older defconfig is make oldconfig'd Mar 06 20:31:28 hmm - ok - what do those depend on then ... Mar 06 20:31:55 -rw-r--r-- 1 rwhitby rwhitby 1050384 Mar 7 23:01 zImage-openslug Mar 06 20:31:58 we can probably get rid of CONFIG_FS_POSIX_ACL=y too Mar 06 20:32:04 already done that Mar 06 20:32:30 heck, some of the bloat might have been *caused* by using the older defconfig Mar 06 20:34:22 it has all the "USB Host-to-Host Cables" and "Intelligent USB Devices/Gadgets" set to =y (dunno if these can me set to =m) Mar 06 20:35:02 ok I reached the end of the .config Mar 06 20:37:40 so which things have been surreptitiously turned on for us ? Mar 06 20:37:57 I'm trying a little experiment now Mar 06 20:38:08 building 2.6.9 and will compare .config's Mar 06 20:50:32 well it was a lot less than I thought Mar 06 20:51:07 only things .11 has set which .9 does not (which don't look like valid changes) are: CONFIG_IP_TCPDIAG=y CONFIG_USB_KC2190=y Mar 06 20:51:40 2.6.9 could still have things set which don't need to be though Mar 06 20:51:54 yep Mar 06 20:52:19 seems that all those host to host usb cables cannot be made modules ... Mar 06 20:53:12 can you say FOO=n in the defconfig? Mar 06 20:53:22 ok, I thought that might be a possibility Mar 06 20:53:27 or is it always # FOO is not set Mar 06 20:53:30 not that I am aware of Mar 06 20:53:40 do we have =n somewhere? Mar 06 20:54:08 no, but for instance CONFIG_SCSI_QLA2XXX=y is just a depends on scsi and pci Mar 06 20:54:18 and we can't turn off either of those Mar 06 20:55:31 so if both of those are on, CONFIG_SCSI_QLA2XXX=y ? Mar 06 20:55:34 weird Mar 06 20:55:39 yep Mar 06 20:55:55 -rw-r--r-- 1 rwhitby rwhitby 1036868 Mar 7 23:25 zImage-openslug Mar 06 20:56:02 what about CONFIG_IP_TCPDIAG and CONFIG_USB_KC2190 ? Mar 06 20:56:05 with lots of advanced router stuff turned off Mar 06 20:56:19 dunno - haven't looked at them Mar 06 20:56:20 well that's under the limit Mar 06 20:56:31 yeah - now to see if it boots ... Mar 06 21:00:14 giel's page is pretty cool Mar 06 21:00:47 ... just in case my connection drops ... Mar 06 21:06:31 flashing ... Mar 06 21:07:31 Configured /etc/network/interfaces from /etc/linksysconf Mar 06 21:07:31 Configured /etc/hostname from /etc/linksysconf Mar 06 21:07:31 Configured /etc/resolv.conf from /etc/linksysconf Mar 06 21:07:31 Setting up IP spoofing protection: rp_filter. Mar 06 21:07:31 Configuring network interfaces... SIOCSIFADDR: No such device Mar 06 21:07:33 SIOCSIFNETMASK: No such device Mar 06 21:07:34 SIOCSIFHWADDR: No such device Mar 06 21:07:35 SIOCGIFFLAGS: No such device Mar 06 21:07:37 route: SIOC[ADD|DEL]RT: No such device Mar 06 21:07:40 done. Mar 06 21:07:42 Are those errors normal? Mar 06 21:08:06 not sure - they would be normal if it tries to configure the NIC before it's loaded Mar 06 21:08:28 don't remember seeing them before ... Mar 06 21:08:38 you have network ? Mar 06 21:08:49 does it appear to be correctly configured? Mar 06 21:08:57 dunno yet - still on firstboot Mar 06 21:09:36 input: Unknown symbol hotplug_path Mar 06 21:09:36 input: Unknown symbol add_input_randomness Mar 06 21:09:36 hidp: Unknown symbol input_unregister_device Mar 06 21:09:36 hidp: Unknown symbol input_register_device Mar 06 21:09:36 hidp: Unknown symbol input_event Mar 06 21:09:48 no network Mar 06 21:09:57 ixp not loaded Mar 06 21:10:04 interesting Mar 06 21:10:21 <[g2]> did you lose the alias in modprobe.conf ? Mar 06 21:10:35 <[g2]> alias eth0 ixp425_eth ? Mar 06 21:11:33 <[g2]> that's what triggers the ixp driver to be loaded during the ifup in S40Networking Mar 06 21:11:56 ah - the ixp400 and ixp425_eth drivers are in a 2.6.9 directory .... Mar 06 21:12:14 need to rebuild those Mar 06 21:12:23 :-\ Mar 06 21:12:51 <[g2]> that's an OE bug right ? :) Mar 06 21:12:53 but everything else seemed to boot (except for those input errors) Mar 06 21:13:06 no, it's a non-feature of those packages Mar 06 21:13:28 <[g2]> Is this with all the new CONFILES stuff ? Mar 06 21:13:44 no, this is a 2.6.11 kernel with ext3 and jbd compiled in Mar 06 21:14:03 <[g2]> different defconfig ? Mar 06 21:14:13 yep, it's time to get past this impasse Mar 06 21:14:52 <[g2]> ok Mar 06 21:15:01 * [g2] is happy your are motivated about this Mar 06 21:16:02 <[g2]> beewoolie was helping investigate the EHCI driver last night Mar 06 21:16:31 ixp425_eth.c:642: error: structure has no member named `nf_bridge' Mar 06 21:16:44 looks like ixp425 depends on netfilter bridge ... Mar 06 21:17:02 interesting :-\ Mar 06 21:17:02 <[g2]> nod. Mar 06 21:18:04 let's hope that's not 12k Mar 06 21:20:59 Here are the defconfig changes I have made so far. Please check them carefully: Mar 06 21:21:12 ! # CONFIG_IKCONFIG is not set Mar 06 21:21:12 ! # CONFIG_IKCONFIG_PROC is not set Mar 06 21:21:12 ! CONFIG_IOSCHED_NOOP=n Mar 06 21:21:12 ! CONFIG_IOSCHED_AS=n Mar 06 21:21:12 ! CONFIG_IOSCHED_CFQ=n Mar 06 21:21:13 ! CONFIG_BLK_DEV_LOOP=m Mar 06 21:21:14 ! # CONFIG_IP_MULTICAST is not set Mar 06 21:21:16 ! # CONFIG_IP_ADVANCED_ROUTER is not set Mar 06 21:21:18 ! # CONFIG_IP_MULTIPLE_TABLES is not set Mar 06 21:21:20 ! # CONFIG_IP_ROUTE_FWMARK is not set Mar 06 21:21:22 ! # CONFIG_IP_ROUTE_MULTIPATH is not set Mar 06 21:21:24 ! # CONFIG_IP_ROUTE_VERBOSE is not set Mar 06 21:21:27 ! # CONFIG_IP_MROUTE is not set Mar 06 21:21:28 ! # CONFIG_IP_PIMSM_V1 is not set Mar 06 21:21:30 ! # CONFIG_IP_PIMSM_V2 is not set Mar 06 21:21:32 ! # CONFIG_XFRM is not set Mar 06 21:21:34 ! # CONFIG_SCSI_QLA2XXX is not set Mar 06 21:21:36 ! # CONFIG_EXT2_FS_XATTR is not set Mar 06 21:21:39 ! # CONFIG_EXT2_FS_POSIX_ACL is not set Mar 06 21:21:40 ! CONFIG_EXT3_FS=y Mar 06 21:21:42 ! # CONFIG_EXT3_FS_XATTR is not set Mar 06 21:21:44 ! # CONFIG_EXT3_FS_POSIX_ACL is not set Mar 06 21:21:46 ! CONFIG_JBD=y Mar 06 21:21:48 ! # CONFIG_FS_MBCACHE is not set Mar 06 21:21:50 ! # CONFIG_FS_POSIX_ACL is not set Mar 06 21:22:03 That takes us to 12k under the limit Mar 06 21:22:27 cool so you;re using deadline scheduler now? Mar 06 21:22:43 yep Mar 06 21:22:47 <[g2]> at some point loop mounting will be nice Mar 06 21:22:52 it's a module Mar 06 21:23:00 you don't need it during boot Mar 06 21:23:29 <[g2]> I was wondering if switchbox might need it Mar 06 21:23:51 not for anything which switchbox does at the moment Mar 06 21:24:33 and if you have somewhere to get an image to mount with loop, then you can also get modules from that same place :-) Mar 06 21:25:05 -rw-r--r-- 1 rwhitby rwhitby 1037180 Mar 7 23:51 zImage-openslug Mar 06 21:26:25 flashing .... Mar 06 21:28:15 [g2]: I had to be motivated - without ext3 compiled in there is no way we can pivot to an external disk without extensive changes to switchbox and/or the jffs2 linuxrc - something which takes an eternity to debug and get right (just ask dyoung) Mar 06 21:28:25 booted and network is up Mar 06 21:28:59 <[g2]> rwhitby, sure you can. Just mount it ext2 Mar 06 21:29:14 <[g2]> then remout -o as ext3 after loading the module on the other side Mar 06 21:29:32 yep - changes to both openslug and unslung. Mar 06 21:29:34 clever Mar 06 21:30:05 I wasn't prepared to make changes to unslung just because 2.6.11 is 50k bigger than 2.6.9 Mar 06 21:30:08 rwhitby, so you seem to be good ? Mar 06 21:30:21 yep, seems to be working Mar 06 21:30:42 still get the input: unknown symbols .... Mar 06 21:31:03 ah - that's cause the input module is not loaded Mar 06 21:31:32 Hmm Mar 06 21:31:40 root@devslug:~# modprobe input Mar 06 21:31:40 input: Unknown symbol hotplug_path Mar 06 21:31:40 input: Unknown symbol add_input_randomness Mar 06 21:31:40 FATAL: Error inserting input (/lib/modules/2.6.11/kernel/drivers/input/input.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) Mar 06 21:32:01 I don't see anything in your changes which might cause that Mar 06 21:32:09 yeah, me neither Mar 06 21:32:44 could be a 2.6.11 thing - I guess none of the 2.6.11 testers so far have tried bluetooth modules ... Mar 06 21:33:17 I'm gonna backport the defconfig changes to 2.6.9, and test that. Mar 06 21:37:00 isn't input module a usb thing? Mar 06 21:38:04 no, generic input Mar 06 21:38:15 oh Mar 06 21:38:29 but it's needed for BT ? Mar 06 21:38:41 yep Mar 06 21:38:58 I presume for bluetooth hid support Mar 06 21:40:25 was easier to leave it as a module, than to work out how to tell bluetooth not to need it Mar 06 21:41:25 scheduler seems faster when I'm typing ;-) Mar 06 21:43:15 :-) Mar 06 21:43:47 AS may indeed be not only overkill but overload for the ixp420 Mar 06 21:44:08 heh 10% CPU just for the scheduler ... Mar 06 21:44:36 with AS or deadline ? Mar 06 21:44:47 AS - just kidding Mar 06 21:45:06 heh, you scared me Mar 06 21:47:07 <[g2]> 2.6.11 seem faster, and it probably because the ixp is interrupt driven Mar 06 21:47:24 <[g2]> so there no 5K ints a second Mar 06 21:49:05 yeah that can't hurt :-) Mar 06 21:50:54 well, Elise must have known this is important, she's been a good girl tonight and slept for two hours so far ... Mar 06 21:51:51 unlike last night where I didn't get a thing done ... Mar 06 21:52:01 heh :-) Mar 06 21:57:40 a tip: when going from 2.6.11 to 2.6.9, you need to delete tmp/deploy/ipk/kernel-modules-* as well as rebuilding the kernel Mar 06 21:58:11 cause ipkg chooses the latest version to put in the rootfs Mar 06 21:58:19 good tip Mar 06 21:58:51 tell-tale is multiple directories under /lib/modules/.... Mar 06 22:23:27 rwhitby, you going to commit your new defconfig ? Mar 06 22:23:57 still testing 2.6.9, but yeah I guess I can. Mar 06 22:25:10 not trying to rush you Mar 06 22:42:14 next tip: remove other 2.6.11 ipk's (like the kernel) before downgrading to 2.6.9 - no wonder my rootfs was full - it had two kernels in /boot Mar 06 22:43:47 damn! Mar 06 22:44:00 how long as this been around? Mar 06 22:44:07 about 6 months .... Mar 06 22:44:12 ouch! Mar 06 22:44:25 I really have to start reading the yahoo group. :) Mar 06 22:44:47 isn't this going to kill the other channel though? Mar 06 22:44:55 VoodooZ_work: type "/msg chanserv info #openslug" Mar 06 22:45:23 yeah. Mar 06 22:46:22 #nslu2-linux will become the unslung and general questions channel. nslu2-general will dissappear I expect (or be the stock firmware channel). We won't accept any crap in here. Mar 06 22:47:34 ok i c Mar 06 22:47:52 That's good as I don't need yet another channel to monitor Mar 06 22:48:16 <[g2]> crap crap crap Mar 06 22:48:40 <[g2]> :) Mar 06 22:48:56 heh Mar 06 22:49:12 [g2]: that's unacceptable. once more and you *will* be kicked :-) Mar 06 22:49:19 <[g2]> crap crap crap Mar 06 22:49:22 hehehe Mar 06 22:49:30 <[g2]> 5 4 3 2 1 .... Mar 06 22:49:31 don't make me op myself .... Mar 06 22:49:54 <[g2]> rwhitby-away flexes Mar 06 22:49:57 This is like the VIP club version of nslu2-linux Mar 06 22:50:14 <[g2]> c Mar 06 22:50:18 <[g2]> r Mar 06 22:50:23 <[g2]> a Mar 06 22:50:31 <[g2]> . Mar 06 22:51:01 <[g2]> hey do you guys know any html/css/php wizards ? Mar 06 22:51:10 your're lucky that gorx stopped me .... Mar 06 22:51:24 <[g2]> :) Mar 06 22:51:31 (he's a super-op on this channel) Mar 06 22:51:43 <[g2]> I'm thinking we should make a GUI for OpenSlug Mar 06 22:52:07 <[g2]> web based and create an OpenSlug-basic or -standard this is GUI ONLY and package Feeds ONLY Mar 06 22:52:13 mark your calendars - hein starts the downfall of openslug :-) Mar 06 22:52:21 :) Mar 06 22:52:55 replacement bootloaders, bleeding edge kernel, and, and, ....... a GUI. Mar 06 22:52:59 <[g2]> and an OpenSlug-Custom that's Mar 06 22:53:16 <[g2]> the other thing Mar 06 22:53:51 <[g2]> actually in a month or two I could see the -basic with a custom bootloader Mar 06 22:54:32 * rwhitby thinks [g2] is looking for the $400K/year subscription stream .... Mar 06 22:54:33 <[g2]> beewoolie had ext2 working without the symlinks in testing last night Mar 06 22:55:03 <[g2]> rwhitby exactly Mar 06 22:55:36 <[g2]> I think the users want something very simple Mar 06 22:56:19 <[g2]> I'd love to continue working with you guys as my primary job Mar 06 22:56:39 <[g2]> we are 95% of the way there Mar 06 22:57:21 be prepared for the crap that Sveasoft got when he decided to make some money out of it .... I personally don't want to go there. Mar 06 22:57:40 but I'll do contract work for you :-) Mar 06 22:58:00 <[g2]> I'd love to hear your side of the Sveasoft story Mar 06 22:58:15 ok, 2.6.9 boots clean with the trim kernel Mar 06 22:58:17 <[g2]> I thik Sveasoft got crap because of the way he handled things Mar 06 22:59:12 me too Mar 06 22:59:23 you push people so far, and they start to push back ... Mar 06 22:59:31 because everything I have heard so far makes the sveasoft guy look like king of the assholes Mar 06 22:59:44 <[g2]> I'm not thinking about being a Sveasoft knock-off, I'm thinking about being a Linksys competitor in 12 months Mar 06 23:01:19 * perlguru Leaving Mar 06 23:02:06 jacques: there is a subculture out there that cannot agree with anyone making money off GPL code, no matter what the details are. People who have no interest in trying to find a business model which is compatible with the GPL but still allows someone to make a living. Mar 06 23:02:57 people who send death threats about the details of software licenses ... Mar 06 23:03:08 rwhitby, what I want to know is did the sveasoft guy really threaten ppl with bodily harm and stalking and call their ips's etc Mar 06 23:03:16 isp's Mar 06 23:03:34 according to private communication, no. Mar 06 23:03:58 but you never know who to believe when your only contact with both sides of the story is the internet Mar 06 23:04:08 yeah Mar 06 23:04:52 he did revoke people's subscriptions cause they put private releases on P2P, not knowing that sveasoft had watermarked each download with your subscriber id Mar 06 23:05:00 <[g2]> A reason I love you guys so much is that you value the full transparency of this project and all the code and tools Mar 06 23:06:03 <[g2]> Sveasoft like Microsoft are agressive in their business tactics Mar 06 23:06:23 he also kicked people from his forums for being dickheads. Mar 06 23:06:54 microsoft is illegal in their business tactics Mar 06 23:07:21 the courts in several countries keep verifying that Mar 06 23:08:01 <[g2]> Well I believe in grassroots efforts and the trusting people Mar 06 23:08:01 But the nslu2-linux project would not be here today if not for a $400 developer thank-you gift from Sveasoft which paid for my first two slugs and asus router. Mar 06 23:08:48 <[g2]> I appreciate his contributions, but we did all the work Mar 06 23:09:02 <[g2]> we being the community Mar 06 23:09:18 right - I guess someone else would have started it if I hadn't ... Mar 06 23:09:29 <[g2]> maybe it would have taken 7 days to raise the first money instead of 2 Mar 06 23:09:55 <[g2]> buzbee kicked the hole thing off Mar 06 23:10:09 <[g2]> and there where many early runners Mar 06 23:10:33 <[g2]> clearly know there is no others I'm aware of Mar 06 23:10:36 <[g2]> now Mar 06 23:11:50 [g2]: this was before the nslu2-linux donation drive Mar 06 23:11:50 jim had no interesting in starting a group .... Mar 06 23:11:50 (I asked him before I did, so I knew I wasn't stepping on anyone's toes) Mar 06 23:13:26 I was only aware of buzbee and blantz - how many more were you aware of? Mar 06 23:13:26 (counting those before the yahoo group started) Mar 06 23:13:49 <[g2]> me and several others Mar 06 23:14:57 jacques: did 2.6.11 build for you? Mar 06 23:15:30 rwhitby, since you checked in the new defconfig ? I haven't tried - I can tho Mar 06 23:21:04 teehee Mar 06 23:21:31 there goes the neighbourhood :-) Mar 06 23:21:39 :-) Mar 06 23:22:15 i see i'm warmly welcomed Mar 06 23:22:19 giel: welcome - I've trimmed down the 2.6.11 kernel according to some of your directions, so now we've got ext3 back in. Mar 06 23:22:37 * [g2] hugs giel Mar 06 23:22:43 and this time it boots :-) Mar 06 23:22:44 yeah nice page Mar 06 23:23:42 uh thnx Mar 06 23:23:53 i'll be trying it somewhere this week i guess Mar 06 23:23:59 so busy lately Mar 06 23:24:03 ok, the little girl is waking, so that's a night for me. Mar 06 23:24:06 night all Mar 06 23:24:09 nn Mar 06 23:24:23 <[g2]> sweet dreams ! Mar 06 23:25:29 `night rwhitby-asleep Mar 06 23:25:42 BTW 2.6.11 built with latest pull Mar 06 23:26:57 same here. Mar 06 23:37:49 <[g2]> FYI http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/OpenSlug/EhciIssue **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Mar 06 23:59:56 2005