**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Mar 14 23:59:56 2005 Mar 15 00:12:25 morning Mar 15 00:12:50 mourning! Mar 15 00:20:57 can anyone suggest a good book/web site that explains what happens during early boot? in particular what's the right thing to do when /sbin/init is called? (yes, I am rolling my own embedded distro :) Mar 15 00:24:55 http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/belinuxsys/toc.html ?? Mar 15 00:38:52 yeah, went looking for that book on Friday - couldn't find it in any local stores :( Mar 15 00:39:42 how relevant is it? it's almost 2 years old - there has been a lot of work done since. Mar 15 00:53:57 dunno, it looks cool. but i dont have that book Mar 15 01:10:49 * peteru-home could really use a good BitBake/OpenEmbedded book ;-) Mar 15 01:28:13 * perlguru byebye Mar 15 01:36:45 nite! Mar 15 03:50:39 * perlguru byebye Mar 15 03:51:28 * perlguru Leaving Mar 15 05:44:59 * peteru-home might have found a bug in the 2.6 usb code Mar 15 06:02:48 * perlguru Leaving Mar 15 11:12:17 <[cc]smart> which script mounts and populates /dev as ramdisk ? Mar 15 11:13:45 <[cc]smart> question revoked Mar 15 11:21:12 <[cc]smart> hm, don't get it currently Mar 15 11:23:24 <[cc]smart> /etc/init.d/mountall.sh called as /etc/rcS.d/SS35mountall.sh during boot fails to mount filesystems during boot. Mar 15 11:23:54 /dev/'s mount is handled specially, and how its done varies. Mar 15 12:04:15 <[cc]smart> hi Mar 15 12:04:46 <[cc]smart> [g2]: /etc/init.d/mountall.sh is on schedule too early Mar 15 12:05:37 <[cc]smart> if sth. is added like: /dev/sda1 /usr ext3 defaults 1 1 /etc/init.d/mountall.sh runs before sda1 is available Mar 15 12:05:54 <[cc]smart> so the mount from fstab fails Mar 15 12:06:50 <[cc]smart> a workarpund is to a add a sleep into mountall before mounting. but this sees not to be the best idea :) Mar 15 12:07:01 <[cc]smart> s/sees/seems/ Mar 15 12:09:16 <[g2]> [cc]smart, there's an issue with EHCI being loaded in the kernel right now for rwhitby Mar 15 12:09:39 <[g2]> the hub doesn't operate properly if ehci is loaded Mar 15 12:10:01 <[g2]> due to that an size it's a modules creating this problem. Mar 15 12:10:43 <[g2]> I've got a hack in my switchbox that loads the ehci driver if there's an sdxnroot Mar 15 12:10:45 <[cc]smart> so it will disappear with a fixed ehci module, correct ? Mar 15 12:10:55 <[g2]> it should Mar 15 12:10:59 <[cc]smart> ok Mar 15 12:11:01 <[cc]smart> got it Mar 15 12:11:26 <[g2]> and we haven't just changed switchbox because it used by both openslug and unslung Mar 15 12:11:44 <[g2]> and unslung has the ehci driver loaded in the kernel Mar 15 12:11:51 <[cc]smart> fixing problems is better than workarounds :) Mar 15 12:12:24 <[g2]> well, workarounds are ok for certain things Mar 15 12:12:38 <[g2]> but it's much better to get to the root cause of an issue Mar 15 12:13:11 <[cc]smart> let's see Mar 15 12:13:18 <[cc]smart> ~workaround Mar 15 12:13:29 <[cc]smart> bah Mar 15 12:13:31 <[cc]smart> :D Mar 15 12:14:17 <[cc]smart> no jbot here Mar 15 12:14:46 <[cc]smart> anyways. off to sleep. Mar 15 12:43:16 quiet Mar 15 12:43:41 we're hunting wabbits Mar 15 12:44:52 hi ByronT what's new? Mar 15 12:45:01 any word on ehci ? Mar 15 12:45:28 my laptop is still dead... resurrecting it over there <- Mar 15 12:45:51 ah I hadn't heard about your laptop Mar 15 12:45:56 unfortunately, it had a important "README" on it.... Mar 15 12:46:15 :-\ Mar 15 12:46:30 I guess I'm going to find out how good the IBM "Rescue and Recovery" is.... Mar 15 12:46:57 I'm still agonizing over what laptop to get Mar 15 12:47:05 ThinkPad! Mar 15 12:47:15 ThinkPad, ThinkPad, ThinkPad! Mar 15 12:47:35 they look nice but very expensive Mar 15 12:47:37 i've been thinking about that sharp one over at conics Mar 15 12:47:44 the one pb got Mar 15 12:47:49 kergoth: yeah that looked nice Mar 15 12:47:53 I've used quite a few... Dells, Toshibas, Gateways, Compaqs.. ThinkPad is the best that I've used Mar 15 12:47:56 or rather, i was, until i got unemployed Mar 15 12:47:58 :) Mar 15 12:48:17 but he said there was a US version which was practically the same thing - he got what he got because he's in the UK and they don't have the US version there Mar 15 12:48:23 Toshiba's are a close second, but the ThinkPad keyboard is the kicker.... Mar 15 12:48:47 kergoth: sounds like you and I are in similar situations now Mar 15 12:49:21 ByronT: I keep going to the IBM site, but once I start configuring, price gets up around $3k which is insane Mar 15 12:49:34 my ThinkPad has ATI FireGL/2 with 15" LCD at 1600x1200 Mar 15 12:49:43 ByronT: what model is it? Mar 15 12:50:00 T42p with Dothan 1.8GHz Centrino Mar 15 12:50:07 I would like to wait for the turion64 stuffs, but a nice fast dothan would also do quite nicely Mar 15 12:50:19 and yes, it ran over $3k Mar 15 12:50:24 ByronT: that sounds like what I want - OUCH :-( Mar 15 12:50:56 "business expense" Mar 15 12:50:59 I'm paying for this myself - I can't spend that kinda money Mar 15 12:51:07 government didn't get the $ Mar 15 12:51:36 I can only justify a few expenses like that, and going to OLS will cost Mar 15 12:52:01 fontenot: i'm thinking about doing some contract or consulting work for a bit.. at least until i figure out what kind of position i want to do Mar 15 12:52:04 heh Mar 15 12:52:12 hmmm OLS or laptop that can run HL2 at 50 frames/sec.... Mar 15 12:52:19 ;) Mar 15 12:52:23 well OLS wont cost nearly that much Mar 15 12:52:34 about $250US for registration Mar 15 12:52:44 flight and room are going to be the big expenses tho Mar 15 12:52:53 hopefully both together < $1k Mar 15 12:52:55 hm Mar 15 12:52:57 i havent registered yet Mar 15 12:53:03 that's what frequent flyer miles are for! Mar 15 12:53:11 got another email from ajh talking about the early registration deadline Mar 15 12:53:12 heh Mar 15 12:53:20 kergoth: they had extended the earlybird by six days, but I think that's up - but then I think it only went up $50 CAD Mar 15 12:53:33 kergoth: cool maybe they extended it again Mar 15 12:53:35 thats not too bad Mar 15 12:53:47 actually, the manufacturing corp that I work for uses Amex enough that I have ff miles out the wazoo Mar 15 12:53:55 I think $300CAD worked out to about $254US Mar 15 12:54:28 ByronT: heh you sound like a "real" person with a real job and stuff :-) Mar 15 12:54:42 not like us slackers :-( Mar 15 12:54:53 fontenot: heh, what are rooms at les suites running for? Mar 15 12:55:15 kergoth: last I looked they hadn't posted that info yet because they were still working out the deal - maybe it's up now Mar 15 12:55:16 I have both real job (vp/comptroller of manufacturing firm) and "fake" job... consulting that puts play money in pocket Mar 15 12:55:22 (the conference rate that is) Mar 15 12:56:00 kergoth: dunno if I mentioned, the room I was in last year that zwelch reserved was huge - two bedrooms, living room with comfortable couch and full kitchem Mar 15 12:56:09 I think two baths and wather/dryer Mar 15 12:56:12 hehe Mar 15 12:56:14 washer/dryer Mar 15 12:56:14 les suites is great Mar 15 12:56:19 and I was by myself! Mar 15 12:56:42 and I slept on the couch the whole time lol Mar 15 12:56:55 and I think one of the bedrooms might have had two beds Mar 15 12:57:15 full size refrigerator Mar 15 12:57:21 it was a nice room Mar 15 12:58:05 kergoth: if you decide to go maybe we can share a suite, along with some others even - that would make room very affordable Mar 15 12:58:37 yeah, thats usually a good way to go Mar 15 12:58:44 last time ti covered it, so had the room to myself Mar 15 12:58:45 but shit Mar 15 12:58:51 how much time do you really spend in the room anyway? Mar 15 12:58:55 heh Mar 15 12:59:05 almost none Mar 15 12:59:19 its conferences -> drinking -> conferences again Mar 15 12:59:21 unless it turns into a party/hacking room Mar 15 12:59:25 with a bit of sleep thrown in for good measure Mar 15 12:59:31 Les Suites The hotel reservation code for this year is LINUX2005. While they do accept on-line reservations we strongly recommend that you make your reservation by telephone. The rates for this year are $175/night for one-bedroom suites (2 rooms), $195/night for executive suites (1 bedroom, living room, and office), and $215/night for a two bedroom suite (2 bedroom, living room), all rooms have a full kitchen, microwave, and laundry fa Mar 15 12:59:59 so $215/night for the one I was in last year Mar 15 13:00:13 pricey for one person, but yeah, if you split it, itd be reasonable Mar 15 13:00:30 even just three ppl Mar 15 13:00:38 yeah Mar 15 13:00:43 about $70/night Mar 15 13:00:55 well with taxes etc probably $80 Mar 15 13:01:30 I think Les Suites fill up relatively early Mar 15 13:01:45 probably. most people stay there Mar 15 13:01:46 since it's so close to the venue and a good deal Mar 15 13:01:49 yeah Mar 15 13:02:34 so we would be looking at at least four nights ? Mar 15 13:05:49 probably. i forget the days that it runs Mar 15 13:05:53 * kergoth looks into moving companies Mar 15 13:06:08 july 20-23rd Mar 15 13:08:54 kergoth: I ended up moving myself last time Mar 15 13:09:01 still not cheap tho :-( Mar 15 13:09:31 i found a decent small moves place.. cheaper, since i dont have much to move Mar 15 13:09:39 was around $900 for t hem to move my stuff Mar 15 13:09:44 which isnt at all bad Mar 15 13:09:49 could do that and drive my car up Mar 15 13:10:11 wow Mar 15 13:10:15 that's not bad at all Mar 15 13:10:20 how far is it? Mar 15 13:10:25 hell, i'd pay $1100 to rent a damn one way uhaul Mar 15 13:10:28 heh Mar 15 13:10:33 damn Mar 15 13:10:51 around a thousand miles Mar 15 13:10:53 I paid about $200 + $1/mile, 600 miles = $800 + gas Mar 15 13:11:04 damn that's an excellent deal then Mar 15 13:11:29 i wonder how they do that.. i guess they could take more people in a single run, if they use large trucks Mar 15 13:11:32 since its small moves Mar 15 13:12:12 * kergoth has a couch, a queen bed & frame, 2 nightstands, coffee table, one end table, tv and tv stand. thats about it. Mar 15 13:12:16 yeah, it's common to have multiple loads per truck Mar 15 13:13:18 ah, I had couch, 32" TV, refrigerator, washer/dryer, queen bed, four monitors, several computers, lots of car stuff (three sets of wheels) Mar 15 13:13:33 lots of crap Mar 15 13:13:56 ahh yeah, thats more of a pain Mar 15 13:14:02 i shoulda sold the refrigerator a long time ago Mar 15 13:14:05 when i came down here, i didnt bring any furniture at all Mar 15 13:14:11 none of my workout eqiupment, no bike, nada Mar 15 13:14:14 just packed my car and drove Mar 15 13:14:16 :) Mar 15 13:14:16 two bikes Mar 15 13:14:23 yeah that sounds nice Mar 15 13:14:45 living with my dad in my townhouse ought to be interesting Mar 15 13:15:52 heh Mar 15 13:16:04 in *your* townhouse Mar 15 13:20:42 that would be interesting for me too Mar 15 13:20:54 my dad and i are a lot alike Mar 15 13:21:03 which means we either get along really really well, or _really_ _really_ badly Mar 15 13:21:24 :-) Mar 15 13:22:02 hm, i wonder if google's maps can show you things along the way for a road trip Mar 15 13:22:09 like attractions and rest stops and things Mar 15 13:24:02 hmm that would be really cool Mar 15 13:24:09 they have the info Mar 15 13:24:12 yeah Mar 15 13:40:34 [g2]-away: ok, we can put EHCI back into the kernel now - my testing has shown that it's probably a PL2303 driver error rather than an EHCI error. Mar 15 13:43:58 <[g2]-away> rwhitby-away, sounds great! Mar 15 13:44:53 1 outta 2 aint bad. ;-) Mar 15 13:45:26 yeah, but I just couldn't get that last 1k any how I tried. So had to loose kallsyms. Mar 15 13:45:41 and that frees up plenty of space for other stuff. Mar 15 13:46:02 like someone that grumbled about missing BT stuff. Mar 15 13:46:16 (I forget who it was and what bit it was) Mar 15 13:50:17 dyoung-zzzz: just answered that one on the list. Mar 15 14:04:39 pushing new defconfig now Mar 15 14:07:38 pushed Mar 15 14:07:46 have a chew on that :-) Mar 15 14:29:10 rwhitby-away: what's that about ehci issue being a pl2303 error? which ehci issue? (not the hub thing right? that effects all devices?) Mar 15 14:29:14 affects dammit Mar 15 14:30:19 the hub thing which caused by pl2303's to have interrupt usb submit errors. not the irq26 nobody cares. Is there another hub problem? Mar 15 14:31:27 rwhitby-away: I thought there was a problem with ehci in 2.6 which caused disks and other devices to fail if connected via usb2.0 hub Mar 15 14:36:10 the other devices was my pl2303's and that now seems to be a different problem. disks were never a problem for me Mar 15 14:36:15 (dunno about others) Mar 15 14:36:54 no hubs here, but I am seeing problems with usb 2.0 in kernel 2.6 in general Mar 15 14:37:12 I now get issues on i686 as well as mipsel Mar 15 14:37:20 <[g2]-away> fontenot, irq26 nobody cares are due to a PCI issue suggests dsaxena Mar 15 14:37:21 and armeb Mar 15 14:37:53 <[g2]-away> the timing and failure via the hub may be slightly different, but there's a known underlying issue Mar 15 14:38:22 <[g2]-away> that's not to say that the hubs may not have *another* issue, but I'd guess it's related Mar 15 14:39:35 * peteru-home can't claim to fully understand the URB code, but it looks like there may be a reference counting issue when using bulk transfers with timeouts Mar 15 14:42:05 [g2]-away: sounds like you are zeroing in on it Mar 15 14:42:26 [g2]-away: did dsaxena have any suggestions/thoughts on the PCI problem? Mar 15 14:43:43 BTW, I'm trying to talk kergoth into sharing a suite at OLS - anyone else interested? Mar 15 14:43:58 I gotta make hotel reservations soon or Les Suites will be full Mar 15 14:45:40 http://vivid.dat.pl/fallow/pub/love-sources/2.6.11-love2/2.6.11-love2-usb-oops-fix1.diff Mar 15 14:46:03 probably unrelated to openslug issues, but... Mar 15 16:11:47 bored bored Mar 15 16:12:44 built openslug 1.7 yet? Mar 15 16:13:33 I'm helping my parents move in Oklahoma Mar 15 16:13:33 heh Mar 15 16:13:45 move out of OK or within OK? Mar 15 16:14:00 all I have it this crappy old gateway machine running XP home at 800x600 Mar 15 16:14:11 moving from OK to LA Mar 15 16:14:57 and my ipaq handheld which is also running windows :-( Mar 15 16:15:10 and has a browser even worse than XP Mar 15 16:15:20 I need a laptop Mar 15 16:15:28 a good one capable of building oe Mar 15 16:15:46 T42 Mar 15 16:15:58 $3k :-o Mar 15 16:16:27 ByronT already recommended that, and I agree they are sweet, but too much for my budget (no income and all) Mar 15 16:16:33 ya Mar 15 16:16:34 okay Mar 15 16:16:46 bbiaw...gotta ship something off. Mar 15 16:16:54 have fun :-) Mar 15 16:21:42 rwhitby-web: hmm I thought someone had added TCL to unslung cvs... Mar 15 16:22:26 I know I built TCL when I was running the various toolchain testsuites because dejagnu requires it Mar 15 16:23:16 BIAW Mar 15 16:30:06 ka6sox: If that Asus wll500gx turns out to be as sweet as I think it is, I might be asking for a favour :-) Mar 15 16:30:39 it's basically a wireless fatslug Mar 15 16:31:16 oh, hang on. are our slugs 16MB or 32MB already? Mar 15 16:32:18 oh, a slug is 32MB already. Hmm, so it's really only a wireless slug, not fat. Mar 15 16:32:42 is openslug building supported with uclibc instead of glibc? is it as simple as changing TARGET_OS to linux-uclibc instead of linux ? Mar 15 16:33:07 I believe so. It's intended to be so. Mar 15 16:33:10 <[g2]-away> rwhitby-web, I've got a wireless fatslug (just missing the usb controller right now) Mar 15 16:33:39 <[g2]-away> peteru-home, you need to bk edit the openslug.conf iirc change it there Mar 15 16:34:02 do we have fatslugs with more than 32MB working in the firmware now? Mar 15 16:34:28 oh, are you referring to the dev board ? Mar 15 16:34:45 <[g2]> rwhitby-web, I've just about got a full release for the 2347 board Mar 15 16:34:53 * rwhitby-web is looking for a retail unit. no time to be playing with dev boards .... :-) Mar 15 16:35:38 <[g2]> rwhitby-web, you mean you need a case ? Mar 15 16:37:44 <[g2]> It's odd how the little things I've always wanted seem to make such a big difference Mar 15 16:37:56 <[g2]> like no power switch Mar 15 16:38:04 <[g2]> on == on Mar 15 16:38:29 <[g2]> 64 MB, sane boot loader no funny trailers Mar 15 16:38:35 <[g2]> 16MB flash Mar 15 16:38:46 <[g2]> expandable with minipci slots Mar 15 16:38:54 <[g2]> JTAG header Mar 15 16:39:04 <[g2]> Serial Header Mar 15 16:39:33 <[g2]> and.... I'm really curious why it runs 2X speed Mar 15 16:40:34 [g2]: I mean for my production internet gateway router, I usually use a retail unit (with small mods, like Unslung or Sveasoft or Oleg's firmware), rather than a full replacement like OpenSlug. Mar 15 16:40:59 <[g2]> nod. Mar 15 16:41:07 it stops me fiddling too much with it, which upsets other family members :-) Mar 15 16:41:09 * [g2] is looking to change that for you :) Mar 15 16:41:13 rwhitby-web, this is a little ot, but did you ever get the 2nd serial port working on your wrt Mar 15 16:41:30 sure did - and ran a dial-in modem on it for months. Mar 15 16:41:59 turned out that I simply wired it up incorrectly. my web page was correct, but I couldn't even follow my own instructions properly. Mar 15 16:42:21 ran mgetty and pppd on it Mar 15 16:42:37 I camt seam to get the second port to work, the first one runs without a problem Mar 15 16:43:22 * peteru-home has Netgear wgt634u booting 2.6.11 :) Mar 15 16:43:43 but that has now moved to a slug, and I might even sell my dual port wrt. I want my router to be vertically standing now ... Mar 15 16:43:53 http://nslu2-linux.thestuffguy.com/gallery/slug-central/IMGP3299 - see how much wasted space the wrt takes up? Mar 15 16:44:29 as far as you know your instructions are correct? Mar 15 16:44:32 peteru-home: how's it compare spec-wise to the wl500gx Mar 15 16:44:36 novacane_22: yep Mar 15 16:44:56 novacane_22: the picture will be wrong, but the text is correct. Mar 15 16:45:17 peteru-home: http://wl500g.info/showthread.php?t=1304&page=2&pp=15 Mar 15 16:45:36 rwhitby-web, yeah, I followed the text Mar 15 16:46:49 rwhitby-web: 200 MHz mipsel broadcom processor, one mini-pci slot with Atheros Super G card in it, two ethernet interfaces (one wired to a 4 port switch) and a USB2.0 port. internally, two serial ports, one with 4 pin header, 8MB flash, 32MB RAM Mar 15 16:47:05 novacane_22: wanna buy mine? ;-) it's has historical significance ... Mar 15 16:47:38 peteru-home: got an internal hires picture? Mar 15 16:47:45 rwhitby-web, no thats okay, I rather make mine work Mar 15 16:50:01 rwhitby-web: Digicam is in for repairs, as is the SLR. Dropped the digicam on Great Wall of China and got the SLR wet in Leaping Tiger gorge and then again in HK :( Mar 15 16:50:18 so no pictures from me Mar 15 16:50:23 :-\ Mar 15 16:50:40 there's even room above the ethernet ports on the wl500gx to mount a compsys kit ... put a db9 right on the back panel there ... Mar 15 16:52:09 peteru-home: does the wgt run off 5V or 12V ? Mar 15 16:52:27 the asus sounds very similar. different hardware for wireless and usb, but otherwise same base Mar 15 16:52:44 5V and I got serial coming out without any case mods :-) Mar 15 16:52:47 (that's the other reason I'm moving from the wrt to the wl500g - single voltage for slugs, hubs, and router. Mar 15 16:53:01 rwhitby-web: 12V ? Mar 15 16:53:11 that's what the new linksys POE stuff is Mar 15 16:53:38 rwhitby-web: but all but the first WRTs run 12V right? Mar 15 16:54:16 urm, sorry 12V, my bad Mar 15 16:54:28 slug is 5V Mar 15 16:54:52 d'oh Mar 15 16:55:33 I guess they figure it's not the kinda device which would benefit from POE Mar 15 16:55:56 rwhitby-web: How do you build your firmware for the wl500g ? can't see anything on OE Mar 15 16:58:46 bored now Mar 15 16:59:23 http://wifi.rulez.org/wgt634u/images.html Mar 15 17:00:17 404 Mar 15 17:00:28 https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/cf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=631719&fcc_id='PY3WGT634U' Mar 15 17:01:09 peteru-home: wl500g.dyndns.org Mar 15 17:01:23 peteru-home: so the wgt634 is 12V ? Mar 15 17:01:48 yes, 12V Mar 15 17:02:23 I like the fact that there is a full featured mini-pci slot. one can always upgrade it with whatever fits in there. Mar 15 17:02:33 that seals it then. with all other specs for the wl500gx and the wgt634 being equal, needing yet another power pack for the router shelf is a pain. Mar 15 17:03:11 Need a PC power supply with a 12V and a 5V rail - just run cables to each device as required. Mar 15 17:03:26 you can probably pick something up from Jaycar. Mar 15 17:03:38 fanless version in metal cage. Mar 15 17:04:01 does the wgt stand vertically ok? Mar 15 17:06:22 http://www1.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=MP3108&CATID=&keywords=mp%2D3108&SPECIAL=&form=KEYWORD&ProdCodeOnly=&Keyword1=&Keyword2=&pageNumber=&priceMin=&priceMax=&SUBCATID= Mar 15 17:07:10 yes, it has a vertical stand and the antena swivels. you can stand it on either left or right side Mar 15 17:07:23 check out the fcc pics Mar 15 17:08:05 "NOTE: These are not stand alone units. They have exposed 240V terminals. They are meant to mount inside secure, earthed cabinets. " :-( Mar 15 17:12:57 they sell metal boxes too. Mar 15 17:58:50 back later **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Mar 15 23:59:56 2005