**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Mar 19 23:59:56 2005 Mar 20 04:01:33 <[cc]smart> seems udev rules are not yet implemented for openslug or do i look in the wrong place ? Mar 20 04:26:23 [cc]smart: udev is not operative for openslug as far as I know Mar 20 04:47:45 w3cam is taking a lot more hacking andn slashing that it should to get it to bend to my will. Mar 20 04:48:14 The upshot is the patches should make it buildable by both unslung and openslug. Mar 20 04:48:57 dyoung: what do you think about including all the usual modules in the unslung rootfs? Mar 20 04:49:17 Will they fit? Mar 20 04:49:51 I seem to remember theres "only" 1MB availble or so? Mar 20 04:50:32 usbserial, usbnet, (and common devices), raid, bluetooth, printer, ... all seem to fit Mar 20 04:50:51 How will we decide what a "usual" module is? Mar 20 04:51:08 what people want? Mar 20 04:51:16 The current "killer app" seems to be with webcams, and that is like opening a can of worms Mar 20 04:51:41 oh, usual modules are limited by what is currently in the kernel we build. Mar 20 04:52:07 (or can be enabled in the 2.4.x kernel via defconfig without incompatible behaviour) Mar 20 04:53:22 I'm not against the idea; but it seems to make more sense to be able to do something like "ipkg install md; ipkg install raid1; ipkg install mdadm" or "ipkg install pwc; ipkg install w3cam" as a lot of these modules require some userspace app to make them do something. Mar 20 04:53:42 yeah, I'm making that work too. Mar 20 04:54:20 by creating null update-modules and depmod scripts Mar 20 04:54:30 and removing the update-modules postinst Mar 20 04:54:37 if the usual suspects fit, I guess its not a problem until the usual suspects list gets too big. Mar 20 04:54:58 you will need to edit /etc/modules.conf manually, unless someone can work out how to make depmod work on unslung Mar 20 04:56:21 I wonder how many people are running unslung with no disk. Mar 20 04:56:57 you will be able to do ipkg remove to free space on a diskless box for any modules you don't use Mar 20 04:57:13 maybe it does make sense to leave them all out and just put them in the feed .... Mar 20 04:57:50 I think I prefer a combination of options. The common stuff should go on the j ffs2 for copying to the extdisk rootfs. But really optional stuff doesnt need to be there; like md or usb cameras, or bt; those generally imply the user knows what theyre getting into. Mar 20 04:59:13 nod Mar 20 04:59:59 Your plan for the ipkg is pretty crafty. Mar 20 05:00:26 it saves having to write a unslung-module-packge.bb Mar 20 05:00:43 yep - testing it now ... seems to be workig Mar 20 05:01:46 Cool. With some lukc I'll have the usb camera userspace stuff working tommrow morning. Mar 20 05:02:12 do we have a common place for cgi-bin for unslung? Mar 20 05:02:54 defined by the apache package? Mar 20 05:02:57 The stock installerl wants to plop the cgi in /usr/cgi-bin. Mar 20 05:03:08 which seems wrong to me.... Mar 20 05:04:15 yep, that's just gotta be all wrong Mar 20 05:04:30 Okay. Although its possible for the user to not want a webserver for their imageslug, so I would hesitate to make apache a dependency. Mar 20 05:04:58 My usage would not require a webserver. Mar 20 05:05:49 Every now and then; grab an image the scp it to a real webserver or use the pnm tool (after that package works) to detect motion, etc, etc Mar 20 05:07:39 the Logitech 4000 pwc camera is on sale this week at Compusa. $80. Mar 20 05:08:36 I'll probably get one for testing out stuff. Mar 20 21:36:11 Hi jacques Mar 20 21:47:20 hi ka6sox-away, how's it going? Mar 20 21:47:30 pretty good. Mar 20 21:47:37 cool :-) Mar 20 21:47:40 been working on the slugbug database Mar 20 21:47:50 and chasing down why we have s l o w slugs Mar 20 21:48:08 nice - any news on that? I'm really curious Mar 20 21:48:42 so far I can't find anything that allows a 266mhz part to run at 1/2 speed Mar 20 21:48:46 but I'm not done yet Mar 20 21:49:00 you can underclock the 533 and 400 parts. Mar 20 21:49:08 (but NOT overclock) Mar 20 21:49:51 Me neither, i scoured the 590 page manual. Mar 20 21:50:05 fascinating. curiouser and curiouser Mar 20 21:50:07 The only thing that resembles the problem is the R24 stuff, but it says its not supported. Mar 20 21:50:08 I'm actually looking at the addendum. Mar 20 21:50:18 so I'm wondering if R24 is being set someplace. Mar 20 21:50:28 (in a invalid way...) Mar 20 21:50:40 well...wouldn't be the first time its NOT properly documented. :P Mar 20 21:50:48 heh Mar 20 21:50:58 there is an errata out on the core clock speed bits. Mar 20 21:56:01 really? Mar 20 21:56:17 whats the document id for th tone? Mar 20 21:56:58 25270206 Mar 20 21:57:00 .pdf Mar 20 21:57:18 its on pg 52/52 Mar 20 21:58:31 but no mention of 1/2 speed op for this part. Mar 20 21:58:44 (I'm assuming its a real 266mhz part.) Mar 20 21:58:57 bbiab..nwn Mar 20 22:00:09 well, gotta go - long day of driving tomorrow Mar 20 22:00:18 to LA? Mar 20 22:00:24 good luck in your quest :-) Mar 20 22:00:25 yeah Mar 20 22:00:33 drive safe! Mar 20 22:00:41 hopefully we will miss the severe weather Mar 20 22:00:54 later :-) Mar 20 22:00:56 yeah...dodge those rain clouds! Mar 20 22:00:58 laters! Mar 20 22:03:43 Its a real 266Mhz part; that I checked. Mar 20 22:03:52 okay Mar 20 22:04:31 we need to read that register Mar 20 22:09:41 sorry, I really mean cp14/15 I'm getting all cufseud. Mar 20 22:25:53 interesting. Mar 20 22:26:48 I wonder if theres a undocumented version of the ixp420 that only runs at 4xOSCIN Mar 20 23:05:13 yeah..that is waht I'm thinking Mar 20 23:05:30 we need to look at what that register is set for. Mar 20 23:05:44 because I think we are gettin a penalty **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Mar 20 23:59:56 2005