**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Apr 03 23:59:57 2005 Apr 04 00:48:14 rwhitby-away: I just pushed the udev fix. Apr 04 00:49:28 There's a warning that udev_root is not equal to /udev/ but I'm not sure how I'm supposed to deal with that as we might simply have to set udev_root in our distro conf. Apr 04 11:26:27 dyoung-web: comments on the forking email? Apr 04 12:23:57 Didnt read it yet. Apr 04 12:26:00 looks fine to me Apr 04 13:14:34 dyoung-web: I sent him a private email too. Apr 04 13:17:23 ka6sox-laptop: got my router shelf prepared for the arrival of the wl500gx: http://nslu2-linux.thestuffguy.com/gallery/slug-central Apr 04 13:17:48 yeah..I was looking at that. Apr 04 13:17:54 looks good. Apr 04 13:18:51 looks like the python stuff is able to be sidebyside so we shouldnt' have problems with packages that need the older one. Apr 04 13:18:58 I'll probably mount the 7 port hub on the side of the wl500gx. Use the wl500g for the production router, then the wl500gx for the development router, then when everything is stable I will swap them. Apr 04 13:19:21 the GX has 32mb and the G has 16? Apr 04 13:19:51 yeah Apr 04 13:20:28 I'm hoping to use the GX for sharing the hard disk, controlling the toppy, and serials to the slugs. Apr 04 13:20:59 and tftpd for slug flashing, and openssh for ssh gateway. Apr 04 13:21:05 I bought the rest of them usb serial cables. Apr 04 13:21:28 now that theres minicom, I can use prodslug to tlak to all the serial devices. Apr 04 13:21:39 like devslug, etc Apr 04 13:21:55 I was hoping to start using the Slug for Remote Control apps. Apr 04 13:21:57 yep Apr 04 13:22:12 remote control? Apr 04 13:22:38 control of remote facilities including Analog measurement and Control. Apr 04 13:23:05 "The rest of the them cables" amounts to around a dozen or so. Apr 04 13:23:19 there are literally none left. Apr 04 13:23:42 in the entire State? Apr 04 13:24:36 yeah. Apr 04 13:25:00 with Perl available now I can do some fun things. Apr 04 13:29:33 I should mount the insides of one of those cables inside the wl500g, so that it has a USB device port on it as well as the two usb host ports. Apr 04 13:29:59 I sent email to Lonewolf. Apr 04 13:30:13 (rather than mounting a connector on it and using the cable outside). Apr 04 13:30:45 rwhitby: can you use either of those 2 cables I sent you? Apr 04 13:33:20 ka6sox: already am. the first one is connected from wl500g to devslug, and the second one is the one I will put inside the wl500gx. Apr 04 13:33:39 cool! Apr 04 13:34:10 I should have thrown in one more when I was shipping the gx Apr 04 13:34:24 did you buy the rest in SoCal or something? Apr 04 13:34:51 I just couldn't use them for the modem, but they are still good for 3.3V interfaces. And the one which only had half the cover included will be perfect for mounting inside the wl500gx. Apr 04 13:35:04 :) Apr 04 13:35:16 dyoung-web: I got them from England. Apr 04 13:35:20 $5/ea Apr 04 13:36:51 wow Apr 04 13:36:59 you win. Apr 04 13:37:36 Tiersten found them for me...I have some left. Apr 04 13:37:51 PL2303 Apr 04 13:37:56 I have enough already thanks. Apr 04 13:37:57 heh Apr 04 13:37:58 if you look at http://www.chupa.nl/forum/showpost.php?p=6616&postcount=11 and http://forum.chupa.nl/showpost.php?p=11960&postcount=22 you'll see that I should have enough room to mount three more USB sockets (two new 2.0 host ports, and a device port for the pl2303 serial console). Apr 04 13:38:18 I could probably even cut the PCB in that area to make mounting easier. Apr 04 13:39:54 wow. Apr 04 13:40:03 Maybe I do need one of these toys. Apr 04 13:40:16 the "main" antenna is internal on this unit...the diversity antenna is external :P Apr 04 13:40:33 4 USB 2.0 ports, and a pl2303 device usb port, all on the case :-) Apr 04 13:40:42 whoa Apr 04 13:41:51 and if you were really hard core, you could do some bitbanging with the extra GPIO's Apr 04 13:42:10 is the proc a Broadcom ARM? Apr 04 13:42:16 Dallas 1-wire, etc. Apr 04 13:42:44 tsh BCM, but mipsel Apr 04 13:42:57 mipsel. Apr 04 13:43:15 put two of these: http://www1.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=PS0916&CATID=35&keywords=&SPECIAL=&form=CAT&ProdCodeOnly=&Keyword1=&Keyword2=&pageNumber=&priceMin=&priceMax=&SUBCATID=504 Apr 04 13:43:25 and one of these: http://www1.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=PS0920&CATID=35&keywords=&SPECIAL=&form=CAT&ProdCodeOnly=&Keyword1=&Keyword2=&pageNumber=&priceMin=&priceMax=&SUBCATID=504 Apr 04 13:44:15 completely ethernet and usb connectors :-) Apr 04 13:44:17 so you can plug it into itself? Apr 04 13:44:29 now there's an idea ... Apr 04 13:44:46 it can be its own console Apr 04 13:44:56 It'll become self-aware after a few months Apr 04 13:45:09 heh - not very useful for booting though ... Apr 04 13:45:12 it'll send itself commands to Rule The World (tm). Apr 04 13:51:29 ka6sox-laptop: puppy.nslu2-linux.org virtual host is down Apr 04 13:51:54 okay...let me look now. Apr 04 13:51:55 brb Apr 04 13:54:36 I don't know about this host...am I supposed to be hosting? Apr 04 13:55:17 it used to work and redirect to http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Puppy/HomePage Apr 04 13:55:47 hmmm....httpd.conf doesn't know about it. Apr 04 13:55:55 let me check the backup Apr 04 13:56:43 I wonder if the individual sockets from http://www.usbwholesale.com/motherboard%20cable.htm would fit when they are turned 90 degrees .... Apr 04 13:57:02 okay its hosted on sf.net Apr 04 13:57:06 let me go and look there. Apr 04 13:59:58 rwhitby-web: that is hosted on the puppy project site at SF.net and I dont' have access to that space :( Apr 04 14:00:48 puppy.sf.net works Apr 04 14:01:30 its redirected in PHP to the www.nslu2-linux.org/... site. Apr 04 14:01:31 the redirect at sf.net has this: Apr 04 14:01:34 Apr 04 14:03:24 it works for me NPF Apr 04 14:03:40 I just tried it now and it works too. Apr 04 14:04:08 15 minutes ago, I kept on getting TCP errors 111 Apr 04 14:04:21 must have been an sf.net vhost glitch Apr 04 14:04:37 yeah...I"m checking logs on Gabe to see if we had a problem then. Apr 04 14:05:08 ka6sox-laptop: it would have been sf.net, cause it wasn't redirecting Apr 04 14:05:21 ah Apr 04 14:05:22 okay Apr 04 14:05:36 np...we want to keep things humming :) Apr 04 14:05:54 ka6sox-laptop: don't lose sleep over it. Apr 04 14:06:07 its still early :) Apr 04 14:23:44 now to find some vertical SMD USB receptacles .... Apr 04 14:25:49 I've seen them Apr 04 14:26:33 you need to have a custom board burned that plugs straight into the jack Apr 04 14:26:52 Or a lot of double sided tape. ;-) Apr 04 14:27:36 Did you check Jaycar? Apr 04 14:28:33 I was thinking of getting one of those double mount ones that are in the back of your PC, and mounting it sideways on the PCB with some glue, and then just wiring directly to the pins. Apr 04 14:29:25 peteru-home: http://www1.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=PS0916&CATID=35&keywords=&SPECIAL=&form=CAT&ProdCodeOnly=&Keyword1=&Keyword2=&pageNumber=&priceMin=&priceMax=&SUBCATID=504 and http://www1.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=PS0920&CATID=35&keywords=&SPECIAL=&form=CAT&ProdCodeOnly=&Keyword1=&Keyword2=&pageNumber=&priceMin=&priceMax=&SUBCATID=504 Apr 04 14:30:08 Just looking at those in paper catalogue Apr 04 14:30:24 Also, PP-0790 and PP-0792 Apr 04 14:30:49 or one of these: http://www.rsonline.dk/cgi-bin/bv/browse/ModuleEnlarge.jsp?BV_SessionID=@@@@1780726913.1112679096@@@@&BV_EngineID=ccceaddefhemkflcfngcfkmdgkldfhg.0&cacheID=dkie&3290131897=3290131897&zoomImage=images/C446958-01.jpg Apr 04 14:31:41 Use the RJ45 for serial port breakout :) Apr 04 14:32:24 peteru-home: I'm going to mount a pl2303 board inside, so the serial port is actually a usb device port :-) Apr 04 14:33:03 4 x 2.0 host ports, and 1 x 1.1 device pl2303 serial port Apr 04 14:34:23 peteru-home: those solder ones would be too hard to mount Apr 04 14:35:33 PS0920 is ideal for the type B - just mount it upside down and glue it to the PCB. Apr 04 14:35:51 VERY UBE.... Apr 04 14:36:06 no, it will look sweet from the outside Apr 04 14:36:23 PAE - pretty and effective Apr 04 14:37:39 ... as are all my case mods :-) Apr 04 14:38:33 sweet Apr 04 14:38:33 * peteru-home managed to add a PAE serial port to the WGT634U without any mods to the case :-) Apr 04 14:39:16 hmm, WGT634U or Asus WL500GX...... Apr 04 14:39:34 what to do what to do.... Apr 04 14:40:06 rwhitby-web: I want to bounce some ideas of you regarding adding WGT634U (and prolly all the other BCM95365R clones) to OE Apr 04 14:40:42 peteru-home: where's the photos of this so-called PAE serial port :-) Apr 04 14:40:42 I've got machine/distro OE files to build a bootable kernel and a less than ideal rootfs Apr 04 14:41:33 rwhitby, peteru, feel free to post pictures of your embedded devices at the slug gallery. Apr 04 14:42:08 all in due time - it's just grey ribbon cable (colour matched with the case) neatly exiting the case. Apr 04 14:42:49 peteru-home: PS0916 would probably mount vertically, but I really want a double port which would be structurally more sound. Apr 04 14:42:55 actually, rwhitby did the cable colour selection for me, I reused the ribbon cable from his old slug serial port ;) Apr 04 14:43:27 peteru-home: cables through holes in the case don't count - that's too easy. Apr 04 14:45:05 my slug as well as wgt634u have short tails with 4 pin connectors. the serial port adaptor is mounted inside the DB9 connector, which in turn also has a short tail with a matching connector. I then connect the serial port to whatever device I am hacking at the time. Apr 04 14:46:02 nothing will beat my USB type B socket serial port :-) Apr 04 14:46:16 (with inbuilt pl2303 converter) Apr 04 14:46:40 reckon I might just have to drop into Jaycar this arvo to get some parts .... Apr 04 14:47:14 peteru-home: I got the ftpd-topfield wl500g sources from Markus, and have passed them on to Steve too. Apr 04 14:47:27 rwhitby-web: have you solved your power distribution needs yet? surely the prettiest hack would be to get rid of all the plug packs and curled up power cables... Apr 04 14:48:11 I have bought some 2.5mm and 2.1mm plugs, and am going to just use a 3A plug pack to drive the lot. Apr 04 14:48:15 you'll probably need 5-7A @ 5V Apr 04 14:48:45 a single USB port needs 1/2 A Apr 04 14:49:01 only if you're using it for something that needs power. Apr 04 14:49:09 which is only the hard drive in my case Apr 04 14:49:40 I have a 3A, 2 x 2.5A, and a 2A to choose from. Apr 04 14:49:40 sure, but you want the flexibility to plug things in as you get excited about new toys :-) Apr 04 14:50:06 do you think I can just gang power supplies by connecting their outputs in parallel? Apr 04 14:50:13 I wonder if it is safe to run two plugpacks in parallel... Apr 04 14:50:37 in theory it should work. Apr 04 14:50:41 last time I did sometihng like that it made weird noise from the beat. Apr 04 14:50:54 (with 2 switchers) Apr 04 14:51:11 if you have 2 bigass linears it will work. Apr 04 14:51:16 maybe you will need to whack a big capacitor on it to get rid of ripple. Apr 04 14:51:20 the 3A is a transformer I think Apr 04 14:51:48 I will probably just run two or three off a small power board, shorten the cables, and distribute from there ... Apr 04 14:51:50 although switchmodes tend to be ok Apr 04 14:52:43 back later. Apr 04 14:53:22 rwhitby-web: So, I want to start getting some movement on BCM95365R based machines under OE. Apr 04 14:53:52 which would include both the wgt634u and wl500gx, right? Apr 04 14:54:24 the problem I have is the binary modules. Apr 04 14:54:25 yes, as well as possibly other manufacturers Apr 04 14:54:37 I'm stuck in an Unslung-style world Apr 04 14:54:44 I need some pointers on how the current nslu2 / OE relationship works. Apr 04 14:55:11 I don't think it would be appopriate for me to try to wedge into the nslu2 repo. Apr 04 14:55:18 we just clone from oe, and kergoth pulls from us every now and again Apr 04 14:55:37 peteru-home: I wouldn't mind. Apr 04 14:55:38 however, I could use some tips on setting something similar up Apr 04 14:55:47 (save me having to clone two repos :-) Apr 04 14:56:04 well, that also holds some attraction for me Apr 04 14:56:30 sounds like a quorum then .... ;-) Apr 04 14:57:03 I expect that there will be a few wgt/wl hackers joining, that have no experience or interest in nslu Apr 04 14:57:54 I would like to get Simon (aka nomis52) onboard. I tihnk I excited him enough about OE :) Apr 04 15:00:24 so, you reckon I should start adding my work to the nslu repo for the time being? Apr 04 15:01:11 I would be fine with that. I've already done that for the wl500g unslung packages ;-) Apr 04 15:02:47 my intent is to build a very minimal distro, even thinner than openslug, rather than attempt to keep legacy compatibility, ala unslung Apr 04 15:04:21 however, that should not preclude anyone from doing a parallel distro that is more along the lines of openwrt Apr 04 15:05:09 one thing that I need to get cleared up is licensing. Apr 04 15:06:07 is it OK to check in code that is in public CVS repositories, such as BerliOS CVS into the OE tree. Apr 04 15:06:32 why would you do that, rather than just having the OE .bb file download it? Apr 04 15:06:33 or code released as part of the GPL bundles by vendors such as netgear. Apr 04 15:06:45 again, same deal. Apr 04 15:07:09 kergoth is very much against including stuff in OE which already exists elsewhere. Apr 04 15:07:37 I'd like to take the patches and check them in, so that they can be applied against new kernel releases. Apr 04 15:07:54 you can do that without having to check them in Apr 04 15:08:00 right now, I have the .bb check out the CVS tree from BerliOS with a tag and that works Apr 04 15:09:17 well, the problem is that the modifications are not available as a patch set anywhere. they are both just separate kernel trees. Apr 04 15:13:11 oh Apr 04 15:13:34 peteru-home, so you would check in a patchset? Apr 04 15:14:08 I expect kergoth would say "maintain your patchset outside of OE, and then download it from there" Apr 04 15:15:10 ka6sox-laptop: that was the idea Apr 04 15:15:46 if it's a big patch (like the nslu2 one), then I think the OE guys will want you to maintain it elsewhere. Apr 04 15:17:10 sounds like the way to go then. last time I tried, the diffs between virgin 2.4.20 and the netgear version were over 1/2MB Apr 04 15:17:47 I haven't tried the diffs between the current BerliOS and 2.6.12 Apr 04 15:18:33 I think initially I'll go with CVS pull from BerliOS, since I got that working. Apr 04 15:20:00 I still have a broadcom patch that needs to go on top of the berlios tree, but that's only 210kB Apr 04 15:21:31 the broadcom files are all "as-is" with copyright notice, but no mention of any particular license. Apr 04 15:24:24 I'd like to get everything I have right now published, before I am bound by a NDA and receive any source from the vendor Apr 04 15:26:35 I want to make sure that there can not be confusion about whether certain stuff was under NDA or not. So, I want things out there before I see any of their code. Apr 04 15:27:36 good plan Apr 04 15:29:07 back later Apr 04 17:12:41 morning everybody! Apr 04 17:13:00 has anybody been able to run perl on openslug? Apr 04 17:13:29 it fails for me with some symbol-lookup-failure. :( Apr 04 18:01:53 same for everyone else Apr 04 18:03:17 ah, good to know... ;) Apr 04 18:41:05 is the ftp-server located behind a NAT-router? Apr 04 18:41:11 damn... **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Apr 04 23:59:57 2005