**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Apr 05 23:59:56 2005 Apr 06 02:59:45 [g2]: hello Apr 06 03:00:00 <[g2]> hey VoodooZ_Work Apr 06 03:02:09 I heard you've been a busy busy man. Apr 06 03:02:34 <[g2]> me ? Apr 06 03:15:29 hm... my slug's network doesn't come up with a current openslug-build. is there any known issue? Apr 06 09:48:41 ~seen [g2-away] Apr 06 10:04:55 <[g2-away]> dwheeler, ping Apr 06 13:00:23 Here's an interesting bit of trivia: Banging your head against a wall uses about 620 kJ/hr Apr 06 13:01:15 That makes working with OE on a daily basis a fitness regime :-) Apr 06 13:08:23 Wow Apr 06 13:08:36 is that with a specific repetition rate? Apr 06 13:10:21 Got the figure from the Australian Food technology institute newsletter. It was contributed by a nutritionist... Apr 06 13:11:48 Soundsn like I used a lot of energy banging my head against the wall looking at CPLD stuff recently. Apr 06 16:11:03 morning! Apr 06 16:11:11 morning! Apr 06 16:12:21 can anybody help with my network-problem with current openslug? Apr 06 16:17:51 obviously not... *sigh* Apr 06 16:18:05 :( Apr 06 16:18:50 I'm sorry but I'm not in a position to do that right now. ;( Apr 06 16:21:33 np, I think I'll recompile from scratch on my good old build-machine and see if things improve. Apr 06 16:21:44 :) Apr 06 16:21:58 * siddy-offslug looks forward to the 6 hour compilation-marathon... Apr 06 16:23:00 whats the issue? Apr 06 16:24:01 the network simply doesn't come up. the driver gets loaded (I can tell from the LEDs of my switch), but the slug is not accessible. Apr 06 16:24:26 I have that behaviour with yesterdays clean oe-build. Apr 06 16:25:23 Hm, I think someone elsel grumbled about that recently too. Apr 06 16:25:38 I cant load it right now though. Apr 06 16:25:45 (to inspect with serial) Apr 06 16:28:09 hm... I have that shiny new usb-to-serial-adapter... should that thing work out of the box with openslug? Apr 06 16:28:40 whats inside it? Apr 06 16:29:21 wait, I'll check what my desktop-machine tells me... Apr 06 16:29:49 Prolific Technology, Inc. PL2303 Serial Port Apr 06 16:30:12 Yes, thats in openslug's imge Apr 06 16:30:18 image Apr 06 16:30:42 cool, so how to connect that thing to my desktop? nullmodem? Apr 06 16:31:13 wait, what are we trying to do here? Apr 06 16:31:19 use the thing as a console for the slug/ Apr 06 16:31:33 that was what I was hoping for Apr 06 16:31:53 oh, USB Console doesnt work yet. Apr 06 16:32:02 grmpf Apr 06 16:32:08 you'd still need to go poking around inside the slug to connect the serial side. Apr 06 16:32:53 I would suggest that youre mr netconsole, but I just remembered its a little hard to use that when you dont have a network running. heh. Apr 06 16:33:36 hm... netconsole should indeed work without an ip-layer-configuration, so it might help. Apr 06 16:33:55 ("mr netconsole", LOL) Apr 06 16:38:06 but anyway, just in theory: if I had a usb-console running, would I need a nullmodem or a straight serial cable for connection to another machine? Apr 06 16:38:39 you would need a usb-usb adapter. Apr 06 16:39:00 because a your usb serial adapter is for a host to talk to a serial thing. Apr 06 16:39:17 so in this case, the usb side would plug to the desktop, and the serial side to the slug Apr 06 16:39:32 and a host cant talk to a host directly, so you need one of them things to make it work right. Apr 06 16:39:45 well, my slug doesn't have a serial, that's what I thought I could use the usb-adapter for! :) Apr 06 16:40:20 You would be trailblazing, but in theory you could use a usb-usb adapter for usb console. Apr 06 16:40:40 that was what [g2] was proposing earlier for emergencies with apex. Apr 06 16:41:44 hm... confusing. I guess I'll start with fixing my network before thinking about usb-/serial-stuff Apr 06 16:41:48 ;) Apr 06 17:15:35 does anyone have much experience with the behaviour of the kernel-modules package in OE - I've got some specific questions... Apr 06 22:22:22 hey [g2]! Apr 06 22:22:45 good morning Apr 06 22:24:17 <[g2]> morning! Apr 06 22:24:34 <[g2]> siddy did you get things straightened out ? Apr 06 22:24:56 no... I'm getting crazy today, everything fails... :( Apr 06 22:26:36 my slug network is dead with recent openslug, "blind setup" of usb-serial fails, building openslug in my 32bit-chroot fails and my old machine needs ages for a 32bit build. Apr 06 22:26:42 I guess it's just not my day. Apr 06 22:27:05 been there! Apr 06 22:27:06 <[g2]> oh the amd64 build stuff ? Apr 06 22:27:32 it builds, it just doesn't work. ;) Apr 06 22:27:39 <[g2]> nod Apr 06 22:27:49 is that a known issue? Apr 06 22:27:52 yeah, I stopped using my opteron. Apr 06 22:30:53 but I don't accept to spend hundreds of bucks in my new machine, just to see that I still have to wait 6 hours for that gddam build. Apr 06 22:31:00 so... this has to be fixed. Apr 06 22:31:02 :) Apr 06 22:31:25 that sucks. Apr 06 22:31:54 Especially when the Athlon64 is much faster than it's intel equivalent! :) Apr 06 22:33:01 yeah, I love that cpu! it's a masterpiece of engeneering, if just the software-world was properly prepared for it. Apr 06 22:33:22 yeah. Apr 06 22:33:45 MS finally released WinXP64. took them long enough. waiting for Intel to catch up. Apr 06 22:34:01 Linux has been running on it for a long time though. Apr 06 22:34:32 Check with the #OE guys again. Apr 06 22:34:33 oh yeah, I read that. I'm waiting for that crappy OS to show up on my msdnaa, so I might consider installing it on my new machine. Apr 06 22:35:01 I compared the binaries from both my xeon and opteron machines and the .text file of the binaries is always quite bigger under AMD64 for some reason. Apr 06 22:35:47 Maybe you should try a newer/older binutils or gcc. Apr 06 22:35:51 hm... strange. I'm just buiding on a 32bit-machine with exactly the same distribution, so I might investigate that issue when it's finished. Apr 06 22:37:01 yeah. I know it's total non-sense. It's like it's trying to generate 64bit arm bins! I mean, I compiled the "Hello World!" program on both arch and the AMD one was a whole lot bigger! Apr 06 22:38:09 that shouldn't happen with a properly configured cross-compiler... so something must be messed up with oe here. Apr 06 22:39:06 but that still doesn't explain why my 32bit-chrooted gcc segfaults when building openslug. Apr 06 22:39:08 yep. Apr 06 22:39:22 yeah, that might be a different issue. Apr 06 22:39:22 I guess that must be a fault of some debian-guy... Apr 06 22:39:32 I've only noticed enlarged bins. Apr 06 22:39:46 yeah, when in doubt, blame the debian guy! :) Apr 06 22:41:22 I think I'll give gcc 3.4 a try in my chroot, everything is better than building on my athlon 800. ;) Apr 06 22:42:02 definitely! Apr 06 22:42:07 Let us know how it goes. Apr 06 22:48:08 hm... how much space is on the flash for the jffs2-partition? Apr 06 22:49:16 my rootfs built with amd64 is 7685463 bytes, sounds a bit too large. Apr 06 23:11:05 okay, to answer my own question: 6946800 bytes. Apr 06 23:11:51 obviously my amd builds a rootfs that's some 100 kbytes too large, why does'nt any tool warn me about this fact during image-creation? Apr 06 23:20:23 grmpf... smaller rootfs also doesn't bring the network up. Apr 06 23:21:44 I think I should stop working on that shit before I throw my slug out of the window... Apr 06 23:21:48 I'm off. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Apr 06 23:59:56 2005