**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon May 09 23:59:56 2005 May 10 01:36:21 can anyone report what /proc/version says on a recent Unslung (a week or so) or OpenSlug (a couple of days) ? May 10 02:33:29 jstueve@SLUG:~$ cat /proc/version May 10 02:33:29 Linux version 2.6.11.2 (jstueve@swampuntu) (gcc version 3.4.3) #1 Fri May 6 22:16:43 CDT 2005 May 10 02:37:34 that build seems to predate the existence of the anonymizer patch. May 10 02:41:53 has anyone gotten an irc client to build for openslug? May 10 02:48:57 irssi? May 10 02:49:02 bitcx? May 10 02:49:19 I think at least those are in the repo as buildable May 10 03:17:46 last chance for changes before the release candidate May 10 03:31:20 irssi would be great ;) May 10 03:32:11 rwhitby: What's the purpose of the anonymizer patch anyhow? May 10 03:32:40 I did the pull approx. 10 minutes before the patch entered the repository, so I didn't get it May 10 03:34:19 just changes /proc/version to report openslug@openslug.org as the builder May 10 04:13:26 hmm... odd May 10 04:13:26 root@maimedslug:/proc# uptime May 10 04:13:27 uptime: couldn't get boot time: No such file or directory May 10 04:14:06 busybox uptime doesn't seem to work. Somehow, it has stopped working. May 10 04:14:23 //proc/uptime exists, and is correct May 10 04:14:31 maimed slug? May 10 04:14:51 Yes, it has a rather fat hole in the case, which is going to hold the LCD display soon ;) May 10 04:14:58 So until further notice, it's rather maimed May 10 04:15:23 Wow, yo really did maim it. May 10 04:15:47 heh.. had to look the proper definition: May 10 04:15:51 injure or wound seriously and leave permanent disfiguration or mutilation May 10 04:16:05 Definitely permanent disfiguration ;) May 10 04:16:27 for sure. so that image you linked earlier is the final cut? May 10 04:16:40 have you considered a i2c lcd? May 10 04:16:52 Then I'd have to *buy* a display :P May 10 04:17:10 Much easier to use one of my unused ones May 10 04:17:17 oh yeah. Buying stuff sucks. May 10 04:17:18 heh May 10 04:17:57 The pic I linked earlier was just after cutting, I think. Only difference now is that the LCD isn't in place. There's only a gaping hole. May 10 04:18:00 It should be possible to cram a i2c -> LCD controller into a CPLD. May 10 04:18:07 cpld? May 10 04:18:17 I saw some VHDL to that effect on the xilinx site. May 10 04:18:47 cpld... forget what it stand for. basically a programmable logic device. May 10 04:18:53 cmos maybe. May 10 04:18:59 <[g2]> dyoung, FPGA hacker in the making May 10 04:19:09 Kinda figured that when you mentioned xilinx :) May 10 04:19:30 [g2] yeah, after inspecting that logic analyser stuff, I feel its totally in my capability to do. May 10 04:19:48 But that'd require smd equipment, which I don't have. May 10 04:19:48 and it would save me the $$$ of having to buy a hard LA. May 10 04:19:49 heh May 10 04:19:55 because buying stuff sucks May 10 04:20:20 well.. I've just sent an order for lots of stuff May 10 04:20:39 I'm replacing my network with GigE, all in one go :) May 10 04:20:50 (and getting another slug) May 10 04:21:04 hehe I was doing that too but then my windoze machine croaked. so I replaced it with a Mac Mini that doesnt have GigE May 10 04:22:26 but, when the new slug arrives, I'll have to go shopping some more.. I need a new soldering iron. And some wick. May 10 04:22:33 Expensive hobby this ;) May 10 04:22:50 You'll need that wick to clear the holes for your serial. May 10 04:23:39 Managed with a sucker last time. Think I'll just have one serial-enabled slug May 10 04:24:06 maimedslug will have all the hardware mods :) May 10 04:24:10 I couldnt suck it out, I had to use the wick. May 10 04:24:19 but I suck at soldering.... May 10 04:24:26 what did beewoolie say... May 10 04:24:35 So do I, but soldersucking I know :P May 10 04:24:47 "... but couldnt solder himself out of a hot air balloon" or something along those lines. May 10 04:24:55 * [g2] needs practice at all that stuff May 10 04:24:55 wet paper bag May 10 04:25:05 oh yeah May 10 04:25:07 thats the one. May 10 04:25:31 I think I could manage that. Barely :) May 10 04:25:38 I'm still coveting hot air. May 10 04:25:48 I should just buy it. May 10 04:26:08 gun? May 10 04:26:57 http://www.sparkfun.com/shop/index.php?shop=1&cart=243843&cat=12& May 10 04:27:05 the rework station with soldering iron. May 10 04:27:10 and the nozzle set. May 10 04:27:56 and I need a magnifying glass like that too. May 10 04:28:11 but.. Must... Resist... Urge.... May 10 04:31:35 oooooh... lots of nice... nice... nice stuff May 10 04:31:48 Goood thing I haven't gotten my CC ... yet May 10 04:31:58 I've been drooling over that stuff for several months. May 10 04:33:02 spark fun also has a kit to convert a toaster oven into a reflow oven. May 10 04:33:08 thats just plain sick. May 10 04:33:42 http://www.sparkfun.com/tutorial/ReflowToaster/reflow-toaster.htm May 10 04:34:05 Saw that ;) May 10 04:37:39 The Reflow Skillet is really low budget. May 10 04:38:59 sparkfun earned a bookmark :) May 10 04:39:10 I'm thinking about buying the 6 way motion thingee. May 10 04:40:01 the sparkfun guys seem fun. May 10 04:40:14 "if youre low budget like us...." May 10 04:40:36 rofl May 10 04:41:27 there was a pretty funny rant somewhere about the misc made in china $2300 reflow oven with the plug that doesnt fit anything. May 10 04:41:54 ~seen odoc May 10 04:42:08 jbot seen odoc May 10 04:42:16 VoodooZ_Log, sorry he hasnt gotten back with you. May 10 04:42:32 no problem bud. It's not your fault. May 10 04:42:42 hmm.. May 10 04:42:45 I did mail him your request though. May 10 04:42:54 he didnt reply to that either. May 10 04:43:02 I've since determined that the quickcam 4000 is not USB2.0 anyways. I have a few choices but they are all barely supported under linux May 10 04:43:05 * NAiL *considers* yanking the max2323 off his cisco-router May 10 04:43:07 the last time he was around he said something about going mt biking. May 10 04:43:22 probably gone on a trip. May 10 04:43:46 It seems all the USB2 cams I want are only available in the UK. May 10 04:43:50 Nail, just buy the compsys kit. May 10 04:44:12 dyoung: Yeah, but I can't do that until my credit card arrives May 10 04:44:22 VoodooZ_Log, Tiersten might have insite on those; and may be able to help you get one. May 10 04:44:23 anyways, breakfast time. May 10 04:44:25 And that won't be until next week :( May 10 04:44:58 cool. I'll ask him. May 10 04:45:13 hes kind of a gadget guy. May 10 04:45:45 dyoung: btw, somebody talked about usb->serial kit that worked with the slug... You know anything about that? May 10 04:48:22 you mean to plug something into the USB port on the slug that makes a serial port? May 10 04:48:35 heh, a blurb on the sparkfun page reminded me that one does not necessarily need a soldering iron/hot air gun to remove IC's. All you need is an AMD with a failed fan ;) May 10 04:48:44 dyoung: No, usb on the PC side, serial on the slug May 10 04:48:59 Oh ok May 10 04:49:01 Yes, May 10 04:49:37 I have a pile of cheap usb cables for cellular phones that work after you cut the connector off May 10 04:50:27 Is it possible to pay you to send me one? May 10 04:52:34 where are you located? May 10 04:53:13 Tiersten/ka6sox know a secret source in the UK. May 10 04:53:20 Norway May 10 04:53:21 cheaper than mine. May 10 04:53:34 Try ask one of them first. May 10 04:53:40 will do May 10 04:53:41 thanks May 10 04:53:48 if you cant find one, lemme know. May 10 04:54:49 will do May 10 04:55:18 Now, off to nap for a while. Hopefully, OpenSlug 1.10-beta-rc is done building when I come back ;) May 10 04:55:20 I think their secret source was $5. Mine were $10; but it cost $10 to mail it. May 10 04:55:40 (remember I live literally halfway around the world from you) May 10 04:56:06 afaik, the cheapest cables I am able to get my hands on cost ~$35 May 10 04:56:21 Ow. May 10 04:56:28 (yes, stuff is expensive here..) May 10 04:56:30 Okay well, lemme know later then. May 10 04:56:42 Cheapest slug so far was $115 May 10 04:56:46 OW! May 10 04:58:00 Then again, my last job paid $55/hr, which is a tad over average ;) May 10 04:58:37 <[g2]> I got my last slugs for $80 May 10 04:58:48 [g2], same here. May 10 04:59:18 <[g2]> dyoung, can we talk memories for a minute ? May 10 04:59:29 When I was a child.... May 10 04:59:39 <[g2]> "when" ? May 10 05:00:00 <[g2]> I guess that memory talk will have to wait now :) May 10 05:00:09 When (memory = child) bus (reset) May 10 05:00:29 bus <= 0 May 10 05:00:38 if its fast. May 10 05:00:44 I was thinking about sleep. May 10 05:03:19 <[g2]> night night May 10 05:03:23 it took me 2hrs to write a email message. May 10 05:03:29 my brain is now empty. May 10 05:04:01 sure? May 10 05:04:16 Okay I'll catch you tommrow then. May 10 05:04:23 <[g2]> cheers May 10 05:04:42 you probably want to talk to a fresh dyoung anyways. May 10 05:04:58 can we have a fresh dyoung please? May 10 05:05:07 this one smells .... May 10 05:05:20 :-) May 10 05:05:22 ask again in... May 10 05:05:31 6 hours or so. May 10 05:05:34 maybe 8. May 10 05:05:41 because I'm more tired than usual. May 10 05:06:05 I can sqeeze in a shower in between. heh May 10 05:06:08 you might want to kick off a svn co svn://svn.berlios.de/unslung before you retire ... May 10 05:07:15 I did svh+ssh May 10 05:07:35 why? you'll never be putting anything back in there ... May 10 05:07:38 okay lets try the way mentioned. May 10 05:07:39 heh May 10 05:08:02 5 things. May 10 05:08:22 oh, I gotta push the propset :-) May 10 05:08:40 Ok. :- May 10 05:08:41 ) May 10 05:09:06 but I'm waiting for the openembedded external to download ... May 10 05:09:37 lucky I don't have a pingu going too :-) .... BTW, did they display for you after conversion? May 10 05:09:40 * jacques yawns. May 10 05:10:41 I got a unknown coded, but I assumed that was on my side. May 10 05:10:51 codec even May 10 05:11:08 morning jacques May 10 05:11:17 jacques: we have two release candidates May 10 05:11:43 unslung and openslug ? May 10 05:11:52 yep May 10 05:11:58 excellent :-) May 10 05:12:08 Its wonderful. May 10 05:12:31 so I should anon checkout the svn repos and build them ? May 10 05:12:36 jacques: test it from svn://svn.berlios.de/openslug May 10 05:12:51 watch the svn:externals magic May 10 05:12:54 jacques, dony bother with unslung yet, its not all there yet. May 10 05:12:59 I'll do that right now (openslug) May 10 05:13:31 rwhitby, btw that was a really good plan. May 10 05:13:42 put tagged source on svn May 10 05:14:02 ok, unslung should be there now too May 10 05:14:03 yeah so elegant, wish I'd thought of it May 10 05:14:06 that will help lennert get the stuff in a easy way. May 10 05:14:32 dyoung: that's why nslu2-linux pays me the big bucks :-) May 10 05:14:39 lol May 10 05:14:44 jacques, thats why Rwhitby is the man and we're not. May 10 05:14:48 yep May 10 05:15:01 ~praise rwhitby May 10 05:15:03 and you dont have new hiking shoes but rwhitby has a treo 650. :-) May 10 05:15:10 lol May 10 05:15:22 heh - did I tell you that I finally sold the Treo 600 ? May 10 05:15:25 damn I'm nearly fallen over laughing. May 10 05:15:54 Got AUD$550 for it, and after salary packaging, then new one only cost AUD$600 :-) May 10 05:16:00 Wow. May 10 05:16:20 Mind you the old one had additional accessories that I had bought, like a cradle and stuff May 10 05:16:38 I'm still debating if I want to carry soething treo sized. May 10 05:16:43 But psychologically it's a $50 upgrade :-) May 10 05:16:45 svn pull is progressing along May 10 05:17:07 I'm giving the unslung repo go May 10 05:17:16 ^a May 10 05:17:49 pull done May 10 05:18:11 make started May 10 05:18:24 <[g2]> so svn co -r23 is that magic eh ? May 10 05:18:46 hmm I just got revision 26 May 10 05:19:02 svn:externals is way cool May 10 05:19:07 yeah I noticed that May 10 05:19:18 <[g2]> what's externals do ? May 10 05:19:27 http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.1/ch07s03.html May 10 05:19:38 <[g2]> thx for the url May 10 05:19:58 allows us to share the openembedded dir and nslu2-linux dir between openslug and unslung without replicating May 10 05:20:12 and without the Makefile having to do a separate checkout May 10 05:20:38 <[g2]> Chapter 7. Advanced Topics May 10 05:21:04 yeah, nslu2-linux doesn't muck around when it comes to new tools ... May 10 05:22:19 make May 10 05:22:32 oops May 10 05:22:36 ok making. May 10 05:22:43 now I can sleep. ;-) May 10 05:23:10 night dyoung May 10 05:26:28 damn flex download May 10 05:26:44 I cheated and symlinked the downloads dir ... May 10 05:26:59 me too May 10 05:27:04 <[g2]> me too yesterday May 10 05:27:08 we can cheat. ;-) May 10 05:27:29 <[g2]> your guys are running -r 23 right not r 26 May 10 05:27:56 openslug or unslung? May 10 05:28:10 <[g2]> openslug May 10 05:28:41 I dunno, I'm runing a unslung test righ tnow. May 10 05:29:06 26 for openslug May 10 05:29:14 <[g2]> ok May 10 05:35:47 repo layout is going to change. Sorry. May 10 05:36:55 <[g2]> rwhitby, nice stuff in the Makefile to create the local files May 10 05:37:15 <[g2]> rwhitby, can you add three lines for me ? May 10 05:37:24 sure May 10 05:37:41 <[g2]> echo 'unset LC_CTYPE' >> setup-env May 10 05:37:41 <[g2]> echo 'unset CC' >> setup-env May 10 05:37:41 <[g2]> echo 'unset CXX' >> setup-env May 10 05:37:51 <[g2]> right before the alias May 10 05:38:09 <[g2]> for the gentoo guys out there May 10 05:38:19 [g2], how uptodate is your gentoo system? May 10 05:38:26 none of mine still set those May 10 05:38:39 (guess it couldn't hurt tho) May 10 05:38:57 <[g2]> jacques, I sync'd a couple hours ago May 10 05:39:01 <[g2]> and emerged world May 10 05:39:17 <[g2]> so it's 60 minutes out of date ? May 10 05:40:01 weird May 10 05:40:07 you have latest baselayout ? May 10 05:40:15 and running a recent profile ? May 10 05:40:23 <[g2]> I think so. 2005.0 ? May 10 05:40:29 I dont get it May 10 05:40:51 I have four gentoo boxes and none of them still have those env vars set May 10 05:41:05 <[g2]> hmmm.... May 10 05:42:23 <[g2]> well they don't seem to be set here either May 10 05:42:54 I guess it's a good idea anyway, for ppl with older gentoo setups May 10 05:43:01 <[g2]> I did have a problem the other day with flex not building properly May 10 05:43:16 that wasn't the flex download problem ? May 10 05:43:22 that everyone is still having? May 10 05:43:33 <[g2]> and "seemed" to fix it, but maybe it was coincident May 10 05:43:51 sf.net is screwing up, and wget gets a html file (so doesn't error) May 10 05:44:02 then oe tries to untar a html file and errors May 10 05:44:32 <[g2]> this is yet another reason we need md5 and sha1 sums on the dls May 10 05:44:57 only workaround so far is manually downloading the flex tarball into downloads dir May 10 05:49:00 <[g2]> or copying it from another dl dir :) May 10 05:50:39 <[g2]> rwhitby, time to svn update ? May 10 05:50:45 <[g2]> is it ready May 10 05:50:56 not yet May 10 05:51:11 <[g2]> ok... not rushing May 10 05:51:15 <[g2]> just curious May 10 05:51:22 np May 10 06:00:56 the downloads of openembedded into the new location is taking forever May 10 06:24:58 ok, try a fresh svn co now May 10 06:29:23 svn co svn://svn.berlios.de/openslug/trunk/openslug May 10 06:29:42 svn co svn://svn.berlios.de/unslung/trunk/unslung May 10 06:32:50 <[g2]> rwhitby, Umm... you lost the bitbake changes May 10 06:33:06 which ones? May 10 06:33:25 <[g2]> well bitbake was included in the last tree but not this one May 10 06:34:17 openslug? May 10 06:34:41 it's in trunk/openslug/bitbake May 10 06:35:15 <[g2]> I just did a fresh pull of r 33 and it wasn't there May 10 06:35:22 did you checkout openslug/trunk/openslug, or just openslug ? That has changed May 10 06:35:43 <[g2]> I checked out openslug/trunk/openslug May 10 06:38:31 the svn:externals prop is there May 10 06:38:52 has it finished checking out? cause it does the externals at the end May 10 06:39:02 let me try a new one .... May 10 06:47:44 ok, found it May 10 06:51:06 <[g2]> that's why we test right :) May 10 06:52:15 yep May 10 06:55:38 <[g2]> rwhitby, should I pull again ? May 10 06:55:46 ok, those seem to be building now May 10 06:58:19 <[g2]> rwhitby-asleep, good work! THX May 10 06:58:49 pulling May 10 06:59:19 <[g2]> It's building for me May 10 07:04:02 Fetching external item into 'unslung/openembedded' May 10 07:04:02 svn: URL 'svn://svn.berlios.de/openslug/openembedded' doesn't exist May 10 07:04:47 hay May 10 07:05:00 there's no makefile May 10 07:05:03 in openslug May 10 07:05:24 [g2], how are you making with no makefile? May 10 07:05:56 oh never mind May 10 07:06:46 <[g2]> sounds like you found the makefile :) May 10 07:06:54 yeah, but there's still the matter of: May 10 07:07:00 Fetching external item into 'unslung/openembedded' May 10 07:07:00 svn: URL 'svn://svn.berlios.de/openslug/openembedded' doesn't exist May 10 07:07:28 <[g2]> Ah... I'm just building OpenSlug right now May 10 07:07:36 <[g2]> that's good that you are trying unslung May 10 07:08:13 yeah I have several build boxes setup May 10 07:08:26 <[g2]> jacques, is such a stud May 10 07:47:34 <[g2]> jacques, do you have your JTAG notes around ? May 10 07:54:36 [g2], I should May 10 07:56:35 <[g2]> which cable type did you use with the digilent cable ? May 10 07:58:29 <[g2]> is that the DLC5 ? May 10 07:58:56 let me chck May 10 07:59:27 jtag> cable parallel 0x378 DLC5 May 10 08:01:10 <[g2]> then I did a detect ant it returned May 10 08:01:41 <[g2]> do I need to set the endianess ? May 10 08:02:13 I don;t think so - that's only needed for certain operations - looking at log May 10 08:02:13 <[g2]> and I probably need to copy the bsdl files some where May 10 08:02:47 yeah I just did that cable cmd then detect and it worked May 10 08:04:04 sounds like you dont have jtag tools setup right May 10 08:04:12 esp if you havent made the ixp changes May 10 08:06:27 hmm I thought the changes were on the wiki somewhere - looking May 10 08:06:39 <[g2]> http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Info/PinoutOfJTAGPort May 10 08:06:45 <[g2]> that's what I was looking at May 10 08:08:04 yeah May 10 08:08:27 not very clear is it :-\ about the exact changes to the conf files May 10 08:08:38 <[g2]> not yet :) May 10 08:10:39 --- PARTS.orig 2004-11-19 22:01:16.000000000 -0800 May 10 08:10:39 +++ PARTS 2004-11-19 22:08:44.000000000 -0800 May 10 08:10:39 @@ -33,3 +33,4 @@ May 10 08:10:39 1001001001100100 pxa250 PXA250 # see 9.4.3 in [2] May 10 08:10:39 1001001001101100 pxa210 PXA210 # see 9.4.3 in [2] May 10 08:10:40 1001001001110100 ixp425 IXP425 # see IXP425 bdsl file from the devel CD May 10 08:10:42 +1001001001110111 ixp425 IXP425 # IXP4xx? @ 266MHz May 10 08:11:01 --- STEPPINGS.orig 2004-11-19 22:02:55.000000000 -0800 May 10 08:11:01 +++ STEPPINGS 2004-11-19 22:03:37.000000000 -0800 May 10 08:11:01 @@ -23,3 +23,4 @@ May 10 08:11:01 May 10 08:11:01 # bits 31-28 of the Device Identification Register May 10 08:11:02 0000 ixp425 A0 May 10 08:11:04 +0001 ixp425 B0 May 10 08:11:21 wasn't that much to it after all I guess May 10 08:11:33 I couldn't remember - it's been almost 6 months :-) May 10 08:16:16 <[g2]> so where do you copy the actualy BSDL files ? May 10 08:17:16 I think that was a red herring May 10 08:17:28 the ones included with jtag tools are good enough May 10 08:17:47 (I assume you;re talking about the ones downloaded from intel) May 10 08:18:27 <[g2]> nod May 10 08:18:49 <[g2]> I'm gonna reboot and make sure my parallel port is enabled in the BIOS May 10 08:19:02 <[g2]> be back in a couple minutes May 10 08:19:05 `k May 10 08:20:21 <[g2]> Ok... maybe now would be a bad time to reboot as I'm in the middle of the openslug build May 10 08:20:22 <[g2]> :( May 10 08:20:41 multiple boxes is the way to go :-) May 10 08:20:45 Wow. lots of activity here! May 10 08:20:55 hi VoodooZ_work May 10 08:21:05 hey May 10 08:22:32 which release is rwhitby working on? Openslug or unslung? May 10 08:22:50 both May 10 08:22:54 cool. May 10 08:23:14 I've been getting a lot of changeset in my mail so I was wondering. it's all good. May 10 08:26:05 we should have an openslug beta binary release very soon May 10 08:26:16 (and the accompanying source release) May 10 08:26:29 cool! May 10 08:27:17 wl-hdd25 is down to $80.00 on newegg now (down $3.50) :-) May 10 08:28:13 WL-500G DLX is down $1 to $113 May 10 08:28:52 what's under the hood of these? May 10 08:29:22 MIPSEL May 10 08:29:33 oh. May 10 08:30:06 but they run unslung packages (when build for the mipsel arch) May 10 08:30:30 jeanfabrice is working hard to get a bunch ported. May 10 08:30:49 Are they fast? May 10 08:31:02 not really May 10 08:31:06 200mhz or so. May 10 08:31:53 I'm keeping an eye open for an eventual replacement for my slug (although I've barely used it yet!) for next robot which will use more vision stuff. May 10 08:32:10 I'd love to have I2C/CAN in hardware this time though and a good 533Mhz. May 10 08:32:38 The problem with dev boards is the price so I hope linksys comes out with another hackable product like the slug. May 10 08:32:41 talk to [g2] about the Avila board and "other things" May 10 08:33:04 morning ka6sox-zzzz ! May 10 08:33:05 Yeah, he mentionned that. May 10 08:33:14 morning jacques May 10 08:33:28 Aren't those dev boards though? May 10 08:33:42 rv082 is at 533MHz May 10 08:33:53 linksys? May 10 08:33:56 yep May 10 08:33:57 And it's a commercial product? May 10 08:34:01 cool. May 10 08:34:08 yep and has GPL source tarball May 10 08:34:11 Does it have USB 2? May 10 08:34:31 I'm not sure - it's a VPN router May 10 08:34:41 I never thought I'd use that for robotics but I'm hooked now! So easy to add stuff. May 10 08:35:00 Yeah, probably has a few ethernet jack which is not that useful for me. May 10 08:35:01 <[g2]> no usb2 and it's a big board May 10 08:35:05 ok. May 10 08:35:09 nope...only usb... May 10 08:35:10 I'll keep looking... May 10 08:35:37 only RJ45 ethernet May 10 08:35:46 hmm http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/OpenSlug/PunchList is rather outdated already May 10 08:35:47 Any dev board to recommend ? ARM based 533Mhz+ with 2 USB2.0 and I2C? May 10 08:36:07 <[g2]> not yet :) May 10 08:36:11 400MHz enough? gumstix May 10 08:36:16 The gumstix would be so perfect if it could USB host. May 10 08:36:22 ah crap it can't yet? May 10 08:36:33 I thought they'd added a board to do that - sorry May 10 08:36:35 Not that I know of. How useless is that? May 10 08:36:45 jacques: lets get it updated (re wikipage) May 10 08:36:48 pretty dang useless May 10 08:36:49 Maybe they did but I didn't see anything on their page. May 10 08:36:53 yep. May 10 08:37:19 I guess I'll stick with the Slug for a while as it's not too bad. It just forces me to optimize my code more. :) May 10 08:37:47 so imagine how fast it would run on a 533! May 10 08:37:54 damn right! May 10 08:38:19 I find the memory accesses are a killer when processing images. May 10 08:38:35 BIG cache would help May 10 08:38:41 352x288 is not that many pixels but still takes time. May 10 08:38:44 yep May 10 08:38:53 mysql must be C++, it takes forever to compile May 10 08:38:56 152K to be exact! May 10 08:39:07 bit depth? May 10 08:39:50 VoodooZ_work, what is the bit depth? May 10 08:39:52 8bit as my webcam is crap but I use YUV422 to reduce bandwidth and it's faster/better to do colour segmentation. May 10 08:40:26 laack and white or are you using the colour info too? May 10 08:40:28 so a YUV frame is 352x288*1.5 May 10 08:40:36 colour. May 10 08:40:55 Right now I'm just doing colour blob tracking. May 10 08:41:38 But more advanced algos would run too slow for a mobile bot. May 10 08:42:04 It's ok for some tasks though like docking but not for a nerf-bot trying to shoot a moving target! :) May 10 08:42:15 brb May 10 08:49:15 <[cc]smart> Hi [g2], does ntpd crash the NSLU for you as it does for me ? May 10 08:57:17 <[g2]> [cc]smart, thinks so after a while stuff hangs ? May 10 08:58:19 <[cc]smart> whole slug just stops working May 10 08:59:11 <[cc]smart> as if sbdy. stopped the crystal from shaking :) May 10 09:00:34 [cc]smart, I've seen someone else talking about that - I think jbowler knows about it May 10 09:01:14 <[cc]smart> knows about the problem or knows about a possible solution ? May 10 09:06:05 [cc]smart: slug bug 141. The workround is to not install NTP (any version), the fix is to fix the xl205 code in the kernel. Volunteers welcome ;-) May 10 09:08:46 :-) May 10 09:12:05 hmm May 10 09:12:49 <-- trying to flash to 1.10-beta-rc, but upslug just exits without saying anything May 10 09:12:55 (except all the numbers) May 10 09:13:56 *bleh* May 10 09:14:02 * NAiL forgot -u May 10 09:19:35 Linux version 2.6.11.2 (openslug@downloads) (gcc version 3.4.3) #1 Sat May 7 17:04:29 CEST 2005 <-- Yay :) May 10 09:25:40 <[g2]> jbowler-away, dyoung was looking at the x1205 May 10 12:56:47 ByronT: Do you know if the latest Openslug changes are in BK, not in SVN? May 10 13:01:21 bob_tm, all development is in BK only snapshots are in svn. May 10 13:02:01 Ok - just wondered as rwhitby mentioned some changes were committed to svn when BK was down May 10 13:02:05 thanks May 10 13:02:17 they are all back in BK iirc May 10 13:04:08 \o/ May 10 13:19:31 bob_tm, what Larry aka ka6sox said May 10 13:19:45 yeah..? May 10 13:19:59 nyuk nyuk May 10 13:22:14 * bob_tm-confused ignores the last three lines and continues building the latest Openslug kernel. May 10 13:23:12 Larry (ka6sox) and I (Moe) have nominated dyoung to be Curly.... nyuk nyuk nyuk May 10 13:24:12 There is obviously a huge cultural gap between Norway, where TV came in mid 60's and color TV in '74, and the rest of the world May 10 13:25:27 bob_tm, you have heard of the "Three Stooges"? May 10 13:25:33 Yes - I understood that May 10 13:25:38 k May 10 13:25:43 ... but as you might gather - only heard of. May 10 13:25:53 ah.... May 10 13:27:50 [g2] how are you trying to use your DLC5 cable? May 10 13:27:52 http://www4.archive.org/details.php?identifier=3stooges (I think those may be some episodes....) May 10 13:28:10 if you are planning to write back something you read, the endian setting needs to match. May 10 13:28:16 Moe_ByronT: Yes - I need to keep up May 10 13:28:30 if you are trying apex; I think you need to set endian big May 10 13:31:31 <[g2]> dyoung, with the avila board May 10 13:31:55 <[g2]> it says somthing about pull-ups on VCC, does that mean I"m supposed to have pullups ? May 10 13:31:56 I had assumed a IXP4xx target. :-) May 10 13:32:58 Does the board just not ident for you? May 10 13:33:15 <[g2]> dyoung, nod. it doesn't detect May 10 13:33:41 Hmm, I had a compound problem the first go around too. May 10 13:33:42 yeah you dont need endian set for detect May 10 13:34:04 my first problem was I screwed up the ID in the BDSL. May 10 13:34:06 <[g2]> it's wierd. I'm pretty sure I had all the pin connections proper May 10 13:34:10 but that ended up not be the problem. May 10 13:34:51 <[g2]> I accidently connected the ground to reset and the board didn't come up (because I was holding it in reset) May 10 13:35:02 the next problem was on my hardware that cable doesnt work with any parallel setting other than the normal one (ie EPP ECP dont work) May 10 13:35:20 which is really weird because on the T42 it only works in ECP mode. May 10 13:35:53 <[g2]> so only normal mode no EPP or ECP ? May 10 13:35:57 <[g2]> just bi-directional ? May 10 13:35:58 then my next problem was I was soldering impared and my TDI line came off. May 10 13:36:15 Thats around the time I decided to glue the whole stuff together. May 10 13:36:34 is this the Avila? May 10 13:36:47 [g2] nod. On the linux machine only the bi-directional works for me. It works in other modes for other people tho, so that might be dyoung specific. May 10 13:37:01 <[g2]> I've got stuff soldered together pretty good, yes this is the avila and I've got a 14-pin header and cable May 10 13:37:41 <[g2]> dyoung, that's worth a shot. The odd thing is that the Avila JTAG worked on the same port... but that's from a DOS program May 10 13:38:00 I have the similar issue then. May 10 13:38:40 I tried the same story with my Dell lappy. It only works ECP under WinXP tooling; but had to diddle the setting for it to do stuff under linux. May 10 13:44:27 <[g2]> I'm in bi-directional mode alredy. I change int irq number from 7 to 5 May 10 13:48:08 <[g2]> the device is supposed to be powered on right ? May 10 13:54:41 the real question is "why does Nicolas Cage try to do accents?" May 10 13:56:27 yeah the device needs to be in order to ident. :-) May 10 13:59:49 uh, jacques did you put that in the wrong channel? May 10 14:00:10 ByronT, nope :-) May 10 14:00:36 I'm still working on what doo-doo film Mr Cage tried an accent. May 10 14:01:05 you sure you're not thinking of Kevin Costner in Robin Hood> May 10 14:01:20 uh he has a really bad accent in just about every film he does May 10 14:01:30 right now I'm watching Con Air on cable May 10 14:01:36 he has a southern accent May 10 14:01:40 y'all May 10 14:01:45 pooh/ May 10 14:01:59 remember the one where he think's he's becoming a vampire? that's gotta be the worst May 10 14:02:08 pooh is pronounced "pewwhh" May 10 14:02:33 he was pretty good in "Fast Times at Ridgemont High" May 10 14:03:06 In Marrying Man that was pretty funny... May 10 14:03:08 heh that was his first movie I think May 10 14:03:10 no Accent. May 10 14:03:35 he has a Terrible accent. May 10 14:03:50 it takes a *real* Fast Times at Ridgemont High to remember Cage in it May 10 14:03:55 +fan May 10 14:04:16 He wasnt Nicholas Cage in that film though right? May 10 14:04:21 esp since he was credited as Nicolas Cuppola May 10 14:04:31 :-) May 10 14:04:41 or was it Coppola May 10 14:04:58 Mr. Hand! May 10 14:05:10 Coppola. As in Francis. May 10 14:05:40 Ford May 10 14:05:44 :) May 10 14:45:47 jacques: that should fix it May 10 14:51:22 rwhitby, the unslung svn error? May 10 14:51:38 yeah May 10 14:51:42 great May 10 14:51:49 forgot to commit the prop May 10 14:51:58 done now May 10 15:06:06 <[g2]> rwhitby, O May 10 15:06:18 <[g2]> I'll be back in a couple hours May 10 15:06:27 <[g2]> the OpenSlug build went pretty good May 10 15:06:59 <[g2]> I'd just add building openslug-image at the end of OpenSlug-packages so that the ipk index gets rebuilt May 10 15:07:17 <[g2]> we also need to start monitoring the status of all the packages May 10 15:13:21 [g2]-away: dunno what you mean about the ipkg index being rebuilt May 10 15:16:03 the Packages file which is a side-effect of openlsug-image is only meant to be used for building the rootfs, not for a package feed May 10 15:19:47 to do it properly, we would add code to openslug-packages.bb to run the make-index command each time that package completes. May 10 15:20:11 but that will be for the next beta, as it's a .bb change May 10 17:21:15 rwhitby-away: yes, the commit fixed the unslung svn problem. It's necessary to do svn up twice (once to get the prop, once to actually get OE) May 10 17:23:22 <[g2]> rwhitby-away, I know that it's a side-effect of the openslug-image bitbake May 10 17:23:42 <[g2]> we should fix it properly in the next round May 10 17:24:45 <[g2]> I'd also like to maintain some status about info about the individual packages May 10 17:27:52 [g2]: if the .ipks are copied into a feed area then it's necessary to run ipkg-make-index every copy. The build can't necessarily produce the right package list because there may be other packages in the feed (from other places) May 10 17:28:53 It's trivial to run the command anyway: just "ipkg-make-index -p Packages .", I have to do it all the time ;-) May 10 17:29:19 I'm currently trying to figure out how to properly configure packages (Such as mysql). Anyone know any good resources? May 10 17:29:22 jstueve: :) May 10 17:29:28 NAiL: hiya May 10 17:30:01 jstueve: As you might guess from what I just asked, I don't know how to answer your question May 10 17:30:07 lol :D May 10 17:30:12 (as of yet!) May 10 17:30:43 yeah... I'm trying to muddle my way through... I haven't had much luck building from work... on a coLinux/Gentoo system... May 10 17:31:06 if I can't even get an image compiled I can't try to get a package done either... May 10 17:31:24 ah... Well. How long ago did you do a pull? May 10 17:31:50 Source tarball is 3.5mb. May 10 17:31:54 I tried doing a bb this afternoon, but it failed right after it did the hash... May 10 17:32:29 jstueve: from bk or svn? May 10 17:32:36 jstueve: svn co svn://svn.berlios.de/openslug/releases/OpenSlug-1.10-beta May 10 17:32:53 ah.. I didn't get the new link... May 10 17:32:55 bk... May 10 17:33:27 * NAiL is pulling on a second dev machine right now May 10 17:33:32 I'm blocked on IRC at work which is why I want to get an irc package built for openslug... I can ssh tunnel through my slug to get all the info May 10 17:33:44 hehe, nice :) May 10 17:34:06 but I can't ask questions when I have trouble... May 10 17:34:11 how did your test go? May 10 17:34:12 There is "mjau"... an irc bouncer available May 10 17:34:29 I *think* it went ok. I'll have the results at the end of the month May 10 17:34:37 but that doesn't stop that they block the irc port in the office... May 10 17:34:42 you could ssh-tunnel and open an irc-client at work then May 10 17:35:19 ah yeah.. hadn't thought about that... May 10 17:35:49 might do that if I can't get Bitchx going tonight May 10 17:36:03 I got quite good at firewall evasion after working at Siemens a couple of years ago :P May 10 17:36:22 so to pull the beta i need to clobber tmp and openembedded? May 10 17:36:23 jstueve: Try irssi instead. IIRC, it's a bit less picky :) May 10 17:36:49 or just sources? May 10 17:37:35 hmm... Dunno. I haven't switched to the new one in the same dir. I've started a fresh build again, since I'm using a different box May 10 17:38:01 I'll just start at the top then... May 10 17:38:31 and spend the evening watching tv with my wife... (once I kick off the build.. how long you figure for the whole openslug packages May 10 17:39:14 42 May 10 17:39:30 It's the answer to anything :P May 10 17:39:32 HA! May 10 17:39:39 I just saw the movie last night... May 10 17:39:57 especially questions for which not enough info is given to answer properly May 10 17:40:13 lol... I'm still searching for the ultimate question... May 10 17:41:15 does it matter if I still use the linux-uclibc as the TARGET_OS_local? May 10 17:41:44 I'm using glibc at the moment. I've got 4200k free flash space. May 10 17:41:57 Can't say there's much to save on using uclibc May 10 17:42:37 okay do kill both those lines the TARGET_OS and OPtimizations May 10 17:42:49 yeah May 10 17:43:10 You'll get better support with glibc, as it's the primary dev target anyways May 10 17:43:44 do I need to fo the bk clone? May 10 17:44:03 s/fo/do May 10 17:44:45 Dunno, still doing svn May 10 17:45:52 not the fastest box in the west, so to speak May 10 17:46:28 just got done pulling... May 10 17:47:51 it just has a Makefile... so I should be able to make openslug-firmware May 10 17:48:00 ah, almost May 10 17:48:26 make setup-env && make conf/local.conf && make openslug-source && make May 10 17:48:53 have you looked at the Makefile? May 10 17:48:57 yeah May 10 17:49:18 bb is working now, so it seems to work :) May 10 17:49:55 you just have to do `make` May 10 17:50:28 jacques: It gave me an error message if I tried to do 'make' May 10 17:50:40 no target provides... or something like that... May 10 17:52:16 Works now though May 10 17:59:09 Um, it;'s really simple. Start with an empty directory. "svn co svn://svn.berlios.de/openslug/releases/OpenSlug-4.10-beta ; cd OpenSlug-4.10-beta ; make" May 10 17:59:24 that's all. symlink in an existing downloads directory if you like. May 10 18:00:49 rwhitby-web: Hmm.. That's what I thought. And that's what I did (I think... might have done something not too bright ;) May 10 18:00:49 rwitby: yeah. working like a champ. great job all you guys. May 10 18:01:04 +h May 10 18:01:24 er... died on flex-native May 10 18:01:45 heh May 10 18:01:56 ah, can't download still? May 10 18:02:13 yeah.. no such file or directory. May 10 18:02:28 I can set up a mirror of the sources folder, if anyone's interested? May 10 18:03:15 if it will get me past flex.. :d May 10 18:03:54 NOTE: package flex-native-2.5.31-r2: task do_populate_staging: started May 10 18:03:54 ERROR: function do_stage failed May 10 18:03:54 ERROR: see log in /home/slug/OpenSlug-1.10-beta/tmp/work/flex-native-2.5.31-r2/temp/log.do_stage.9085 May 10 18:03:54 NOTE: Task failed: May 10 18:03:54 NOTE: package flex-native-2.5.31-r2: task do_populate_staging: failed May 10 18:03:55 ERROR: TaskFailed event exception, aborting May 10 18:03:57 NOTE: package flex-native-2.5.31: failed May 10 18:03:59 ERROR: Build of openslug-packages failed May 10 18:04:01 make: *** [openslug-firmware] Error 1 May 10 18:04:03 jstueve@FROG:/home/slug/OpenSlug-1.10-beta$ cat /home/slug/OpenSlug-1.10-beta/tmp/work/flex-native-2.5.31-r2/temp/log.do_stage.9085 May 10 18:04:06 install: cannot stat `flex': No such file or directory May 10 18:05:27 http://slug.repvik.info/downloads/ <-- Has flex, and a few other files. It'll fill up as my build progresses May 10 18:06:06 just pull that into my downloads directory ? May 10 18:06:16 jacques: Is there a way to override the mirrors used while building? May 10 18:06:35 jstueve: Well.. you probably just need flex, so you can pull the flex files May 10 18:06:40 you have to manually get that package from a good mirror. May 10 18:06:41 and put them in downloads May 10 18:06:51 NAiL, thats right. May 10 18:07:18 At the moment, my mirror is good for flex (and a couple more) ;) May 10 18:07:58 NAiL: we have an area in nslu.sf.net/downloads for that kind of stuff. Get jacques or ka6sox or ByronT to upload them there. May 10 18:08:16 rwhitby-web: ah, ok. May 10 18:08:21 * NAiL bugs ka6sox-office :) May 10 18:08:46 I'm doing it now. May 10 18:09:10 Can the build process be set up to try the sf.net as a last resort? May 10 18:11:08 I've downloaded the flex files and the make still fails May 10 18:11:31 huh? May 10 18:11:36 How does it fail now? May 10 18:12:14 same thing... do I need to move it to a different directory.. right not it is in downloads May 10 18:12:24 okay its up there. May 10 18:12:31 in nslu.sf.net/downloads. May 10 18:20:34 phew.. past it.. I had to clobber the tmp dir and restart May 10 18:21:42 probably just stamps May 10 18:22:20 stamps? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue May 10 23:59:56 2005