**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri May 27 23:59:56 2005 May 28 08:30:41 <[cc]smart> [g2]: online May 28 08:31:12 <[g2]> [cc]smart, yes :) May 28 08:31:34 <[g2]> [cc]smart, how may I be of service to you good sir ? May 28 08:32:41 <[cc]smart> thought i could be for you :) May 28 08:33:02 <[g2]> I guess we're part of the mutual admiration society :) May 28 08:33:09 <[cc]smart> heh May 28 08:33:23 <[g2]> I'm getting *really* close May 28 08:33:23 <[cc]smart> thought you had a job for my idle cpus down there May 28 08:33:33 <[g2]> I do May 28 08:33:35 <[g2]> :) May 28 08:33:57 <[g2]> Here's where I'm at... May 28 08:34:06 <[cc]smart> so, as i good your last comment i had the feeling oyu wanted to look at th e possibilities on how to do it May 28 08:34:13 <[cc]smart> s/good/got/ May 28 08:34:32 <[g2]> right... May 28 08:34:46 <[g2]> Here's what I got and what I'm thinking May 28 08:35:11 <[g2]> It's all open for discussion but I'll throw out my current thoughts ok ? May 28 08:35:22 <[cc]smart> sure that's how things get going May 28 08:35:36 <[cc]smart> it did no better on that nslu-linux.org page May 28 08:35:43 <[cc]smart> s/it/i/ May 28 08:36:11 <[g2]> I've got a custom Knoppix DVD that's got everything to build openslug-image, openslug-packages and unslung-image May 28 08:36:42 <[g2]> just add swap, space for "tmp", cpu cycles and a little time :) May 28 08:37:06 <[g2]> I've build all that stuff with glibc May 28 08:37:11 <[g2]> built May 28 08:37:44 <[cc]smart> now i'm bit irritated though, cause this/such machines typically are put in place because they have some other job they do and have been built for May 28 08:38:08 <[cc]smart> so what is there is a system as is that has lotta cpu cycles and whetever left May 28 08:38:18 <[cc]smart> which doesn't mean though it could boot a cd/dvd May 28 08:38:24 <[cc]smart> if that's what your describing May 28 08:39:21 <[g2]> I mean you can mount the dvd and run the programs on it May 28 08:39:29 <[cc]smart> that's a different thing :) May 28 08:39:32 <[cc]smart> ok May 28 08:39:53 <[g2]> I've got three agendas May 28 08:40:04 <[cc]smart> Q: why does one need it, cause afaik BB/OE should care for dependencies/thats what i heretofore did May 28 08:40:33 <[g2]> A: exactly, many dev's don't need it May 28 08:40:58 <[cc]smart> so why does this case May 28 08:41:01 <[g2]> However, that said.. It makes an especially known good snapshot for testing from May 28 08:41:21 <[cc]smart> so its a fixed version of software ? May 28 08:42:11 <[g2]> For my "release" I'm looking to have the latest OpenSlug/Unslung plus OpenSlug packages plus full native compile environment all worked out May 28 08:42:18 <[cc]smart> cause what i thought is, that the installation should be capable of being triggered from outside, so that it would then get all source needed and compile, finally spit out the result to somewhere on the net May 28 08:42:45 <[cc]smart> so the same installation should/could be used for fututre builds May 28 08:43:13 <[g2]> right... This can do exactly that, but in the first case it doesn't need to pull anything (except the IAL and that just for licencse reasons) May 28 08:43:52 <[g2]> there could easily be a cron job that SVN updates and BK pull and reports status May 28 08:44:44 <[cc]smart> where can i get this cd/dvd to have a look ? May 28 08:45:07 <[cc]smart> while if there is a lot of source on it, i probably could go with a reduced version May 28 08:45:19 <[cc]smart> i've got a relatively big source repository in house already May 28 08:45:46 <[g2]> the sources for OpenSlug and packages are around 350MB May 28 08:45:47 <[cc]smart> so if i could shave of some MBs when just grabbing the tools that would nice, too May 28 08:46:21 <[cc]smart> ok May 28 08:46:28 <[g2]> the metadata is 100MB May 28 08:46:41 <[g2]> it's a full OE build system May 28 08:46:48 <[cc]smart> metadata = OE ? May 28 08:47:05 <[g2]> well OE was split into bitbake and the metadata May 28 08:47:11 <[cc]smart> correct. May 28 08:47:14 <[g2]> OpenEmbedded May 28 08:47:15 <[cc]smart> metadata = OE ? May 28 08:47:28 <[g2]> The "OE metadata" May 28 08:47:32 <[g2]> + bb May 28 08:47:42 <[cc]smart> ok May 28 08:47:47 <[cc]smart> bitbake is already on the box May 28 08:47:53 <[cc]smart> which is mini in size May 28 08:47:58 <[g2]> a couple months ago, the tools for building OE and the metadata were combine May 28 08:48:41 <[cc]smart> for OE i think it would be good if the copy has versioncontorol info with it so i could update instead of replace. is this what the cd provides or is svn or whatever metadata stripped ? May 28 08:49:09 <[g2]> it could be either May 28 08:49:11 <[cc]smart> i'm somewhat up to date with the situation of OE/BB May 28 08:49:30 <[cc]smart> i'm just out of the loop with svn vs. bk May 28 08:49:32 <[g2]> have you tried out bb -i ? May 28 08:50:10 <[cc]smart> seems i'm not THAT uptodate :) May 28 08:50:14 <[cc]smart> need update May 28 08:50:38 <[g2]> things have changed a bunch in the last couple days May 28 08:50:55 <[cc]smart> itBake Build Tool Core version 1.1, bitbake version 1.2 May 28 08:51:00 <[g2]> bb -i is a new interactive mode that looks sweet May 28 08:51:29 <[g2]> as it doesn't need to reparse everything cause it keeps it in memory May 28 08:51:32 <[cc]smart> is the metadata you manage from berlios ? May 28 08:51:41 <[g2]> bkbits May 28 08:52:18 <[cc]smart> i'm not good at bk... does it offer tags ? May 28 08:52:26 <[g2]> it does. May 28 08:52:38 <[g2]> I'll probably tag the release in nslu2.bkbits.net May 28 08:52:41 <[cc]smart> could i get your version by tags from bkbits ? May 28 08:52:48 <[g2]> sure May 28 08:52:56 <[cc]smart> maybe that would be the way to go May 28 08:53:02 <[g2]> sure May 28 08:53:12 <[g2]> for developers they've already got most of this stuff May 28 08:53:16 <[cc]smart> communicate a tag to the compiler and this version is fetched and processed May 28 08:53:40 <[g2]> well bk as an export command May 28 08:53:52 <[g2]> so you could just export based on the tag May 28 08:54:02 <[g2]> and build from the exported informaion May 28 08:54:04 <[g2]> and build from the exported information May 28 08:54:25 <[cc]smart> don't get it... export means export form where to where ? May 28 08:54:37 <[g2]> from a bk repo May 28 08:55:04 <[cc]smart> then export strips bk metadata ? May 28 08:55:23 <[g2]> it can or you can get the full deal too May 28 08:55:37 <[g2]> but I'm not sure how that'd work with the updates May 28 08:56:09 <[g2]> I'll bbiab :) May 28 08:56:46 <[cc]smart> ok.. give me the cd url if avail so i can download that as first step May 28 10:25:33 <[g2]> The cd is really trivial May 28 10:26:35 <[g2]> it's just a Knoppix 3.8.2 CD with the debian packages added from the http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/OpenEmbedded/RequiredSoftware page May 28 10:29:21 <[g2]> The knoppix remaster process is pretty straight forward @ http://www.knoppix.net/wiki/Knoppix_Remastering_Howto **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat May 28 23:59:56 2005