**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jul 09 23:59:56 2005 Jul 10 00:15:19 <[cc]smart> NAiL: ping Jul 10 00:42:59 dyoung, cool - I did a clean build with bitbake 279 and libgphoto2 built! Jul 10 01:00:36 new dropbear - 0.46: This release contains various bugfixes for -L client TCP forwarding, agent forwarding, closing/resetting file descriptors, and other minor issues. The program now warns if it is blocking on /dev/random and implements RSA blinding. Jul 10 01:03:01 <[cc]smart> jacques: you've got 5 minutes to explain a little OE to me ? Jul 10 01:07:10 [cc]smart, I doubt I can answer your question Jul 10 01:07:53 <[cc]smart> i'm tring to choose files to get installed by a package Jul 10 01:08:25 <[cc]smart> i have seen this: FILES_${PN} += Jul 10 01:08:36 <[cc]smart> but also do_stage Jul 10 01:08:52 <[cc]smart> and do_stage uses variables which don't get together Jul 10 01:09:01 <[cc]smart> you know about htese things ? Jul 10 01:09:16 no Jul 10 01:09:22 <[cc]smart> :) Jul 10 01:09:37 <[cc]smart> ok, will have to try later Jul 10 01:30:16 hm.. now what should I do now.. everything I want is working... Jul 10 02:21:36 dyoung: any reason the spca5xx package isn't in oe-symlinks? Jul 10 02:29:03 NOTE: package openslug-packages-1.0: completed Jul 10 02:34:16 [cc]smart: do_stage is for staging things for later packages to use. FILES is to define which files go into the ipk Jul 10 02:36:19 [cc]smart: pong? Jul 10 02:36:23 <[cc]smart> ping Jul 10 02:36:34 NAiL: ping Jul 10 02:36:38 <[cc]smart> rwhitby: what do you mean with "for later packages to use" Jul 10 02:36:55 DaKa2: you pinged? Jul 10 02:36:58 [cc]smart: I guess you should use do_install () Jul 10 02:37:10 NAiL: you ponged Jul 10 02:37:28 02:51 < NAiL> DaKa2: ping? Jul 10 02:37:35 <[cc]smart> rwhitby: do you see in nslu2-linux channel too ? Jul 10 02:38:37 <[cc]smart> whitby: in between 10:11 and 10:20 i described the actual issue of cause Jul 10 02:41:39 [cc]smart: My understanding (which may be flawed) is that do_stage is for putting things in staging (like libraries) for later packages to use. do_install is to put things in the installation dir, and FILES selects things from the installation dir for each of the ipks which a package can generate. Jul 10 02:42:18 "spca5xx.c: USB SPCA5XX camera found. Type Labtec Webcam Pro Zc0302 + Hdcs2020" <-- :) Jul 10 02:42:38 anyone care to add "CONFIG_VIDEO_DEV=m" to the kernel defconfig? Jul 10 02:44:21 <[cc]smart> the the /image/ directory is the staging directory in this description ? Jul 10 02:44:46 staging area is tmp/staring I think Jul 10 02:44:51 staging* Jul 10 02:46:14 <[cc]smart> then it seems to me that FILES already decides what to put into /install/ dir, since now that i look into it, it now contains the correct set of files, without .a and .la in that case. Jul 10 02:46:24 <[cc]smart> which prolly it didn't before Jul 10 02:47:07 es it does, but not what gois in to image Jul 10 02:47:16 yes* goes* Jul 10 02:47:55 <[cc]smart> ok, so now i looked into the staging dir and see, that the sasl libs are not there, which prolly is due to another bug in the .bb i think i can fix. Jul 10 02:48:20 <[cc]smart> but then, what is the staging dir actually good for. i still don't get this for later use thing Jul 10 02:48:29 do_install probably sould put things into image that later is moved into install by the FILES_thingy Jul 10 02:49:11 [cc]smart: staging for example is for a libsomething that needs to be linked into a different package (which DEPENDS on libsomething). Jul 10 02:49:59 <[cc]smart> then, this is what could be the reason that snmp had to be removed from cyrusimapd Jul 10 03:00:51 <[cc]smart> rwhitby: i would now have sth. that i think should be verified. that done in OE ? Jul 10 03:01:46 yep, best to get mickeyl, or pb_ or hrw or someone with authority to look over the proposal and give the nod. Jul 10 03:02:35 <[cc]smart> er, then it's not structural though Jul 10 03:02:44 <[cc]smart> so might you be able to give a hint ? Jul 10 03:04:05 sorry, I don't follow what you mean. I'm doing other stuff in parallel here, so I'm not following the thread of conversation closely. Jul 10 03:04:10 bbiab Jul 10 03:51:04 I have a small problem, I want to use a program in a completly different way than the package in oe Jul 10 03:51:10 what to do? Jul 10 03:53:45 oh well, making a new bb for the time beeing Jul 10 05:36:11 heh Jul 10 05:36:30 thttpd's configuration on openslug is... uncool Jul 10 05:36:48 it serves out /etc by default, apparently... Jul 10 05:37:20 haha Jul 10 05:39:37 DaKa2: you can have a .bb do different things depending on the distro ... Jul 10 05:40:41 oh.. oh well, it didn't work out anyway, have to look at it some other day Jul 10 05:42:50 DaKa2: if you put a _openslug on the end of most things, it will only apply for openslug Jul 10 05:43:25 rwhitby: nice, *makes a note* Jul 10 05:43:46 rwhitby: is there some good documentation on thees things anywhere? Jul 10 05:44:23 <[g2]> NAiL, found this the other day http://oe.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/bb_20file Jul 10 05:45:06 there is a bitbake manual. there was also a presentation that I linked to a while back. let me see if I can find it Jul 10 05:46:02 [g2]: It's been in my bookmarks for two days now. Showed it to DaKa2 yesterday, I think Jul 10 05:46:03 [g2]: that site helped me a bit, still not near complete Jul 10 05:46:43 <[g2]> DaKa2, it's a work in progress things are changing weekly as stuff evolves Jul 10 05:47:07 the bitbake manual has none of the oe and openslug specific stuff, not that I could find Jul 10 05:47:33 the presentation was good. I can't find it though. anyone with searcheable irc logs ? Jul 10 05:48:17 <[g2]> rwhitby, was that mickley's presentation from Feb ? Jul 10 05:48:33 yeah Jul 10 05:48:45 vanille.de/tools/FOSDEM2005.pdf Jul 10 05:49:09 yeah, that's it. Jul 10 05:49:29 fantastic! Jul 10 05:49:32 guess i should update that for next years fosdem Jul 10 05:49:33 :) Jul 10 05:50:10 <[g2]> Hey look what the cat drug in ! :) Jul 10 05:50:35 <[g2]> mickeyl, welcome :) Jul 10 05:51:06 hehe Jul 10 05:51:08 thanks Jul 10 05:51:46 added to http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Main/Articles Jul 10 05:52:53 <[g2]> rwhitby, we need to approved the site :) Jul 10 05:53:40 done Jul 10 05:57:05 So OpenSlug tonight is doing the job that I started #nslu2-linux for 8 months ago. Storing DVB video from the Toppy, and allowing it to be converted to DVD format (on a PC), and then securely served to another site. Jul 10 06:02:55 rwhitby: Isn't it nice when things work the way you want them to? :) Jul 10 06:03:27 yep, especially when others write the software you need Jul 10 06:03:58 I'm kind of dependent on that, since my C-fu is restricted to fixing simple bugs ;) Jul 10 06:05:15 I always say "Build an open infrastructure, and a collaborative community, and others will do your work for you" Jul 10 06:05:43 yeah Jul 10 06:05:57 Hm... I wonder if I can get my webcam to work now Jul 10 06:06:12 I just tried with mine Jul 10 06:06:40 what cam? Did it work? :) Jul 10 06:06:43 it doesn't like me... Jul 10 06:06:49 I take that as a "no" Jul 10 06:06:50 would the slug be fast enough to feed a DVD recorder in an external USB housing? Jul 10 06:07:17 rwhitby: from a webcam? Good question... Jul 10 06:07:33 oh, no I just meant in general from files on the hard disk Jul 10 06:08:05 at 5.8m/sec, (samba, openslug, turbo) I'd say it would handle that, yes Jul 10 06:08:23 That's the number g2 and I'm getting atleast Jul 10 06:08:31 this brings up a question I had this morning - why aren't we building the kernel with preempt ? Jul 10 06:08:44 dvd is ~ 5 mbit / s or something? Jul 10 06:09:10 jacques: do we have a stable openssh on openslug yet? Jul 10 06:09:13 the slug can push way more than 5mbit ;) Jul 10 06:09:31 rwhitby, stable? Jul 10 06:09:46 yeah, is there a problem with openssh? Jul 10 06:09:51 weren't you saying that ssh to banana was dropping out? Jul 10 06:10:00 dropbear Jul 10 06:10:11 <[g2]> rwhitby, Congrats on the OpenSlug Video Server Jul 10 06:10:16 NAiL: /dev/video: Function not implemented <-- either the webcam kernel driver or something else doesn't want to play Jul 10 06:10:18 I'm having no problems with dropbear on openslug Jul 10 06:10:28 jacques: oh, so openssh on openslug is stable? Jul 10 06:10:37 yeah everybody said it was just me so I forgot about it Jul 10 06:10:45 rwhitby, stable? Jul 10 06:11:02 I will say I have had 0 dropped connections with openssh Jul 10 06:11:13 [g2]: it still needs a PC for the conversion of .rec to dvd mpeg, and authoring Jul 10 06:11:21 but we still don't know why password doesn't work on banana Jul 10 06:11:38 jacques: ok, that means I can migrate to openslug 2.0 then ... Jul 10 06:12:10 rwhitby: What packages do you depend on? Jul 10 06:12:14 <[g2]> rwhitby, maybe I can find you a miniPCI card for the devices I'll be making :) Jul 10 06:12:33 rwhitby, I seem to be the only person even having the dropbear problems - did you see the new features for dropbeat 0.46? not sure if it does what you need yet tho Jul 10 06:13:15 I still need authentication passthrough on the client. Jul 10 06:13:39 so you can ssh in and ssh out again and not have to have keys on the slug Jul 10 06:14:25 the previous dropbear had it on the server, but not on the client) Jul 10 06:14:28 rwhitby: I was wondering on auth passthrough.. That's set up on nudi, isn't it? When I log into sf.net, it lets me in even though I don't have my key on nudi ;) Jul 10 06:14:51 yep, we don't keep personal private keys on nudi Jul 10 06:15:05 or any of the nslu2-linux machines for that matter Jul 10 06:15:53 * NAiL goes off to dinner Jul 10 06:17:58 [g2]: what type of miniPCI card? Jul 10 06:18:31 <[g2]> I'd imagine one that does hw video compression Jul 10 06:18:48 <[g2]> I was mostly joking though Jul 10 06:19:30 <[g2]> jacques, RE: 19:05:24 I hate to say it but the only thing keeping openslug from mass usage is a web interface Jul 10 06:19:32 not really, the DVBT is already MPEG2 - it just needs remuxing (which we have a package for already), then DVD authoring. Jul 10 06:20:16 <[g2]> an FPGA on a miniPCI with hw accel would probably work Jul 10 06:20:37 <[g2]> DVD authoring is probably a *long* way off Jul 10 06:20:59 [g2]: it doesn't need to do any compression - it's just a software on linux problem. Does anyone know of any good DVD authoring software on Linux command line ? Jul 10 06:21:44 "dvdauthor - create DVD-Video file system" <-- maybe? Jul 10 06:23:43 rwhitby: that would be dvdauthor.sf.net Jul 10 06:23:43 hmm - maybe I'll stick with PC authoring. Jul 10 06:23:58 :) Jul 10 06:24:31 although for a quick dump a single program on a RW disk to play elsewhere, that would probably suffice if teamed up with a USB burner ... Jul 10 06:25:08 should work... Jul 10 06:25:25 * [g2] thinks rwhitby is starting a TV channel down under :) Jul 10 06:27:22 e.g. a friend forgets to tape a program, and I have the DVBT stream on the Toppy, and I just want to dump it to a DVD unmodified for them Jul 10 06:28:59 dvdauthor looks damn easy Jul 10 06:29:24 yeah, that's worth packaging up Jul 10 06:35:23 will need to migrate libdvb from unslung to openslug too. Jul 10 06:35:33 * rwhitby hopes someone will take that on as a challenge ... Jul 10 06:35:42 is it that hard? Jul 10 06:35:48 ;) Jul 10 06:36:17 shouldn't be, but I don't have the contiguous periods of time available at the moment to do it myself. Jul 10 06:36:37 I can look at it when I'm finished with all the non-slug stuff I *have* to do today. I need the practice :) Jul 10 06:39:39 http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/OpenSlug/WhenAndWhereOpenSlugReleasesAreMade <- *that*'s a good wiki page. Jul 10 06:41:27 yes Jul 10 06:41:35 * NAiL bookmards Jul 10 06:41:36 marks Jul 10 07:14:49 well I must say gphoto2 works 1,000,000 times better than it used to Jul 10 07:14:58 I can download images ffrom my camera now Jul 10 07:15:16 <[g2]> jacques, excellent Jul 10 07:15:27 <[g2]> is there a howto somewhere ? Jul 10 07:15:56 not that I know of Jul 10 07:16:02 <[g2]> ;( Jul 10 07:16:27 <[g2]> jacques, two questions Jul 10 07:16:41 NAiL was right tho, ipkg install gphoto2 && gphoto2 --get-all-files Jul 10 07:16:49 is all there is to it Jul 10 07:17:20 <[g2]> COOL. That's easy enough.. 1) what did the "hate to say it mean" from the comment about openslug and the web intf Jul 10 07:17:31 unfortunately, taking pictures is not going to be so easy for my camera Jul 10 07:17:32 <[g2]> 2) did you do the native make file stuff for unslung ? Jul 10 07:17:56 <[g2]> doh! I guess it's not a cannon Jul 10 07:17:59 that comment meant that web interface is hard Jul 10 07:18:04 it is a canon Jul 10 07:18:18 believe it or not, not all canon cameras are exactly identical Jul 10 07:18:36 <[g2]> Oh I know how they change Jul 10 07:18:49 <[g2]> what kind do you have ? Jul 10 07:19:14 they vary greatly especially by what they support over usb and how they support it Jul 10 07:19:17 A75 Jul 10 07:20:18 <[g2]> hmmm is that a newer model ? Jul 10 07:20:38 not really, a couple of years old Jul 10 07:20:53 I wish usbutils was in openslug-packages Jul 10 07:20:58 <[g2]> ahhh Jul 10 07:21:12 <[g2]> I think it's easy to add Jul 10 07:21:23 <[g2]> I think I ran that a couple months ago Jul 10 07:21:40 <[g2]> just linked it in to the symlinks and built it Jul 10 07:22:06 <[g2]> iirc I only had do copy the device db down because that didn't get install by default Jul 10 07:22:07 [g2]: I did the native stuff for unslung Jul 10 07:22:33 <[g2]> rwhitby, cool. I was glancing at the make files Jul 10 07:22:47 <[g2]> rwhitby, you just run the ipkg stuff natively then ? Jul 10 07:23:14 yep Jul 10 07:23:39 hm, monotone gives me connection refused Jul 10 07:24:18 <[g2]> rwhitby, are the deps for the native environment around anywhere ? Jul 10 07:24:42 [g2]: dunno Jul 10 07:25:00 <[g2]> I'm wondering what is missing for me to package up perl, python, php5 and apache Jul 10 07:25:12 <[g2]> and openssl Jul 10 07:25:25 <[g2]> s.t.e.t opensll Jul 10 07:36:03 anyone know the devio foo to get the MAC address out of redboot space? Jul 10 07:41:20 <[g2]> rwhitby, dunno.. grepping my logs for devio doesn't have it Jul 10 07:46:59 patch still isn't in openslug-packages Jul 10 07:48:56 nor is pkgconfig Jul 10 07:49:25 jacques: why are you telling us ? ;-) Jul 10 07:49:43 why not? Jul 10 08:06:48 jacques: sorry, was distracted writing an email. because you can do it yourself? ;-) Jul 10 08:08:35 these days I'm not so sure I can Jul 10 08:09:37 <[cc]smart> ldd is somehow not functional Jul 10 08:09:52 can you be more specific? Jul 10 08:10:02 <[cc]smart> i'm not sure if it's the reason but strace shows this line: write(2, "Illegal option -o pipefail", 26) = 26 Jul 10 08:10:10 <[cc]smart> ldd itself is just silent Jul 10 08:10:50 hmm, mine works :-\ Jul 10 08:13:30 hmm, my native-build libtool isn't passing all its tets Jul 10 08:13:32 tests Jul 10 08:21:10 <[g2]> jacques, how are you running the tests ? Jul 10 08:21:24 <[g2]> I'm in the libtool-./test dir Jul 10 08:27:24 make test Jul 10 08:27:33 oops, make check Jul 10 08:29:00 <[g2]> ok thx Jul 10 08:29:15 <[g2]> I tried the test too with similar results Jul 10 08:31:15 <[g2]> I guess it doesn't print as it goes :( Jul 10 08:32:39 it does Jul 10 08:35:26 <[g2]> Ahh.. after a while :) Jul 10 08:35:37 <[g2]> make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/native/libtool-1.5.18/tests' Jul 10 08:35:37 <[g2]> PASS: cdemo-static.test Jul 10 08:35:37 <[g2]> PASS: cdemo-make.test Jul 10 08:35:37 <[g2]> PASS: cdemo-exec.test Jul 10 09:22:59 ah, it's much happier after I installed coreutils for some reason Jul 10 09:30:11 wb jbowler Jul 10 09:30:21 yes... Jul 10 09:30:46 lets see if reiserfs is more reliable than ext3 Jul 10 10:56:11 <[g2]> jbowler, hey nice wiki page on openslug development Jul 10 10:56:22 <[g2]> jacques, did you report those bugs to libtool ? Jul 10 10:56:30 <[g2]> I got the 3 failures Jul 10 10:56:32 <[g2]> out of 100 Jul 10 11:07:04 [g2], yeah I got three failures and three skips after I installed coreutils. before that I got I think 27 failures Jul 10 11:07:55 <[g2]> jacques, Ahh... We should report those to libtool no ? Jul 10 11:09:14 not sure what they would do about it Jul 10 11:09:33 probably point the finger at our environment, and they might be right Jul 10 11:10:00 <[g2]> what do you think is wrong with our environment ? Jul 10 11:10:18 <[g2]> it's all localized to the tagdemo test right ? Jul 10 11:10:24 yes Jul 10 11:11:23 <[g2]> I'll be happy to send of an -email Jul 10 11:11:40 <[g2]> I just didn't want to have us send off 2 :) Jul 10 11:18:23 <[g2]> jacques, do you care if I follow up on this ? Jul 10 11:19:13 [g2], not at all Jul 10 11:20:05 <[g2]> Ok... well the worst that can happen is I get flamed and banned for life from gnu.org right ? Jul 10 11:21:23 are you going to tell the libtool folks what you think about libtool *.la files? :-) Jul 10 11:24:42 [g2]: I'm willing to share the blame with you on that one ;) Jul 10 11:25:03 libtool*.la: maybe a petition, or a class-action lawsuit? Jul 10 11:34:53 The libdb-4.3.so which I have does not have txn_checkpoint: Jul 10 11:35:01 0005f1c0 T __txn_checkpoint Jul 10 11:35:19 (i.e. there is a missing _ on the reference). Jul 10 11:53:19 Class action sounds preferable ;) Jul 10 14:18:10 hi all, i was wondering if anyone would be kind enought to give me a hand changing my rootfs to a usb memory stick? Jul 10 14:18:46 What's the problem? Jul 10 14:19:10 dmesg shows me root=/dev/mtdblock4 is passed to the kernel and i'm not sure where to change this? Jul 10 14:19:16 You don't Jul 10 14:19:39 You boot to flash, use "turnup" to set up your root device Jul 10 14:20:19 execute turnup to see usage Jul 10 14:20:25 ok, so turnup memstick -i /dev/sda1 should do it? Jul 10 14:20:34 IIRC, yes Jul 10 14:20:39 That looks correct :) Jul 10 14:20:43 ok, because i've tried that Jul 10 14:20:50 What happens then? Jul 10 14:20:59 boots flash still Jul 10 14:21:10 Does turnup give an error message? Jul 10 14:21:30 nope, and rootfs get to the mem key Jul 10 14:21:40 ok Jul 10 14:21:41 i'll try it again to be safe Jul 10 14:22:01 yeah, and check if there's a /initrd/.recovery Jul 10 14:22:06 if there is, remove it Jul 10 14:22:57 nope, not in ether filesystem Jul 10 14:23:09 hmm.. ok Jul 10 14:23:28 And it still does not boot? Jul 10 14:23:48 it boot's, but always to flash. Jul 10 14:23:57 yeah Jul 10 14:24:01 i'm about to re-do the turnup command Jul 10 14:24:06 ok Jul 10 14:24:18 what does "df" say, by the way? Jul 10 14:24:38 shows /dev/mtdblock4 as root Jul 10 14:27:47 turnup outputed a bit of stuff... didn't look like errors Jul 10 14:27:52 /tmp/rootfs.959/etc/rc1.d/S99rmrecovery -> ../init.d/rmrecovery Jul 10 14:28:13 from rc1-5 Jul 10 14:30:32 just rebooted and /dev/mtdblock4 is still / Jul 10 14:31:57 hmm Jul 10 14:33:03 i don't think this matters, but it is a 32 meg key.. on web it says 256 meg min for unslug.. but i don't think this matters for openslug. Jul 10 14:33:11 not for openslug afaik Jul 10 14:33:38 ya, didnt' think it did Jul 10 14:34:23 hmm.. Is there anything you need on that stick? Jul 10 14:34:33 ie, can you reformat it? Jul 10 14:34:45 reformat is fine Jul 10 14:34:58 mke2fs /dev/sda1 Jul 10 14:35:08 i tried with without partitions first time i did this Jul 10 14:35:26 that should work too Jul 10 14:35:32 adds a tiny bit of space Jul 10 14:35:33 ya, i know Jul 10 14:36:12 Anyway, when you've formatted it, do a turnup disk -i /dev/sda1 Jul 10 14:36:17 k, new fs... want me to run turnup again and try it Jul 10 14:36:28 disk, not stick ;) Jul 10 14:36:29 k, as disk, not mem stick? Jul 10 14:36:30 ok Jul 10 14:36:48 just to see if it works Jul 10 14:37:06 The only difference is that memstick adds "noatime" to mount options IIRC Jul 10 14:37:28 ah, ok Jul 10 14:38:14 If it doesn't work, you might try to add -S5 as well. I've heard someone have problems with the stick not initialising fast enough Jul 10 14:38:27 hmm... different output this time from turnup... but nothing that screams error Jul 10 14:38:57 lets try booting :) Jul 10 14:39:11 yep... just waiting for it to come up Jul 10 14:39:58 nope Jul 10 14:40:22 is that -S5 switch for the turnup command? Jul 10 14:40:25 yes Jul 10 14:40:38 drop the -i, add -S5 Jul 10 14:40:46 k, i'll give that a shot Jul 10 14:40:52 adds a 5 sec delay, so the stick can initialize Jul 10 14:40:53 might fix it Jul 10 14:45:14 hmm... i'm guessing i shouldn't have reformatted the key before that -s5 thing... doh Jul 10 14:46:55 hmm /dev/mtdblock4 is still rootfs Jul 10 14:47:20 i remade the fs on the key... so the last thing i tried was... Jul 10 14:47:37 turnup disk -i /dev/sda1 Jul 10 14:47:38 then Jul 10 14:47:49 turnup disk -s5 /dev/sda1 Jul 10 15:21:27 NAiL: thank you very much for you help Jul 10 15:22:02 did it work? Jul 10 15:22:10 nope Jul 10 15:22:27 hmm.. send a mail to the mailinglist... I've got no idea what's wrong Jul 10 15:23:03 ok, well, i'll try taking a quick poke around the boot scripts Jul 10 15:23:18 and make an attempt to bum another usb key to see if it works Jul 10 15:30:42 FrankenSlug, meet Mr. Weller and your serial header... Jul 10 15:32:01 Welder? :) Jul 10 15:32:29 Mr. Weller WES51.... Jul 10 15:32:45 I'd be impressed by anyone *welding* a serial header on a slug Jul 10 15:33:33 Weller is brand... it's a soldering station, though I'm sorta wishing that I had purchased a MetCal instead Jul 10 15:33:43 yeah Jul 10 15:33:55 hm, I have a Weller Jul 10 15:36:32 this is what I wish I had gotten http://tinyurl.com/axjrk Jul 10 15:36:57 my previous Weller had *walked away* from my workbench at work Jul 10 15:37:16 I have a ~10 year old weller ws-50 or something like that Jul 10 15:38:17 what I just got is probably very similar Jul 10 15:39:41 damn.. that sp200 costs 4800 SEK in sweden, a WS51 costs 2275 SEK Jul 10 15:39:59 yeah, but those Metcal's are awesome Jul 10 15:41:02 oh my.. Metcal MX-500DS-21, I want one for work, but.. expencive Jul 10 15:50:06 I wish I had a weller. Jul 10 15:50:41 maybe I *should* get that Metcal... and send my Weller to dyoung Jul 10 15:51:04 My current soldering situation is rather dire. Jul 10 15:51:21 Its amazing I dont destry more boards. :-) Jul 10 15:52:46 dyoung: aha. There you are! Jul 10 15:53:26 Your wiki is bugging me :) Jul 10 15:55:27 oh? Do I need to change something? Jul 10 15:56:54 well.. my ToDo page gets cut off after it reaches a certain size Jul 10 15:57:06 which was a bit annoying, because it didn't say anything Jul 10 15:57:07 oh, lemme poke around at that. Jul 10 15:58:17 time to cook supper Jul 10 15:58:21 bbl Jul 10 15:59:01 dammit.. now you made me hungry... Jul 10 16:21:18 NAiL, give that a try. Jul 10 16:22:13 nope Jul 10 16:22:26 weird. Jul 10 16:22:34 when I hit save, I end up with the editing page again, but with the text cut off Jul 10 16:22:37 I just pasted a foo-load of stuff onto a test page. Jul 10 16:22:48 i wonder if theres a error log someplac. Jul 10 16:22:59 try adding two lines on my ToDo page. At the bottom please ;) Jul 10 16:24:33 i added 3. Jul 10 16:25:18 and it worked? Jul 10 16:25:22 yeah Jul 10 16:25:25 wtf? Jul 10 16:25:28 I can add some more.... Jul 10 16:25:50 dyoung, add something along the lines of "Get More Sleep." Jul 10 16:26:00 dyoung: ok, now it works Jul 10 16:26:02 wierd Jul 10 16:26:54 I'm gonna chaulk this up to PEBCAK for now. Jul 10 16:27:34 bastard :P Jul 10 16:27:40 :-) Jul 10 16:28:58 So Mr Openslug Package Manager, can you (or can I) add glib-2.0, gtk-doc, libxml, pcre to openslug-packages ? Jul 10 16:29:13 gtk-doc is a dependency of glib-2.0, dont ask me why. Jul 10 16:29:24 heh, sure, 2 sec Jul 10 16:29:31 dyoung: you can. The OpenSlug package manager takes what you give him :-) Jul 10 16:30:39 Okay, I'll let him do it today to keep up his stellar commit cycle. Jul 10 16:31:52 ;) **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jul 10 23:36:06 2005 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jul 10 23:49:56 2005 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jul 10 23:59:57 2005