**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jul 31 23:59:56 2005 Aug 01 00:52:43 is apex part of openslug development environment? Aug 01 00:53:12 i finally have finished 'make build-openslug' Aug 01 01:17:21 i've tried 'make setup-apex' Aug 01 01:26:37 cd openslug ; source setup-env ; bb unfreeze ; bb apex Aug 01 01:26:50 ok thanks. Aug 01 01:27:14 now that i've built openslug... can i load it on my slug? Aug 01 01:27:22 yep Aug 01 01:27:24 then point ipkg to my machine? Aug 01 01:27:29 yep Aug 01 01:27:56 it's in openslug/tmp/deploy/images? Aug 01 01:28:13 which one to flash it with? Aug 01 01:29:28 the 8MB one Aug 01 01:31:43 so the img not the jffs2 Aug 01 01:34:03 brb... rebooting. Aug 01 01:40:27 good morning all Aug 01 01:42:07 morning koen Aug 01 01:42:25 koen: is the OE tinderbox timezone stuff supposed to be fixed yet? Aug 01 01:42:49 it is fixes, but we managed to break the display Aug 01 01:42:57 fixed* Aug 01 02:07:21 ok i've built apex.. no do i just flash the apex file with redboot? Aug 01 02:07:27 and back out if things go wrong? Aug 01 02:29:04 You have confirmed JTAG access, right? Aug 01 02:29:25 And you've read the Apex wiki about loading into memory and testing it there before flashing, right? Aug 01 02:29:45 on nslu2-linux.org? Aug 01 02:31:07 http://wiki.buici.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/ApexBootloader#IXP42x_and_the_Linksys_NSLU2_aka Aug 01 02:31:26 linked from the nslu2-linux.org wiki Aug 01 02:33:04 you want to be *very* sure about yourself before you reflash the bootloader. I haven't done so myself yet (I don't want to have to wait hours to reflash it with JTAG). Aug 01 02:36:47 yeah that's why i'm asking ;) Aug 01 02:36:56 ok thanks daka2. Aug 01 02:48:30 you may want to backup your bootloader too Aug 01 02:48:52 because if you dont; you cant easily put your MAC address back in if you should need to go back to redboot. Aug 01 02:49:28 I had to do something super ugly... Aug 01 02:53:24 i'm having trouble just flashing my openslug build img. Aug 01 02:54:00 i tftp'd the image to ram in redboot and it checksum ok. Aug 01 02:54:43 i then tried this 'fis write -f 0x50060000 -b 0x01060000 -l 0x7a000' Aug 01 02:55:02 it says ' Invalid FLASH address 0x050060000: Invalid FLASH address Aug 01 02:55:18 valid range is 0x50000000-0x507fffff Aug 01 02:55:21 any ideas why? Aug 01 02:57:54 weird.. works now. Aug 01 03:22:50 ok awesome my image boots. Aug 01 03:40:00 where does apex.bin end up after compilation? Aug 01 03:40:10 i found one in tmp/staging/armeb-linux/loader Aug 01 03:40:20 but it is not the one compiled by 'bb apex'. Aug 01 03:40:51 should be in tmp/work//apex someplace... Aug 01 03:41:18 are you sure that apex.bin isnt the right one? Aug 01 03:41:28 yep.. Aug 01 03:41:31 i renamed and recompiled. Aug 01 03:41:36 it didn't apear again. Aug 01 03:41:41 loader is the right place. Aug 01 03:41:45 did you clean the stamps? Aug 01 03:41:47 oh ok... Aug 01 03:41:48 no. Aug 01 03:41:55 ah-huh Aug 01 03:42:03 it won't go back in loader unless you remove the staging stamp Aug 01 03:42:10 rm tmp/stamps/apex_* Aug 01 03:42:20 that will really make it recompile. Aug 01 03:42:24 :) hehe Aug 01 03:42:34 i just loaded psyco too, MUCH faster. Aug 01 03:44:28 that hit the spot. Aug 01 03:45:07 when i load apex.bin into ram and then do 'g 0x01000000' it doesn't boot... should it? Aug 01 03:52:48 bbl Aug 01 04:55:41 If I want to add new packages by creating bitbake-files, should I place them in openembedded/packages/ and add them to my openslug distro conf in order to integrate them in the overall build process or is there something like the overlay directory like in gentoo (as bitbake is portage based...) ? Aug 01 04:58:07 there is an overlay mechanism, but I'm not aware of doco for it or anyone who's used it, and we'd prefer that the package become part of openembedded so that others can benefit from it. Aug 01 04:59:53 First, I want to add gphoto to my slug to test the small webcam, this package isn't included in openslug, I'll try it out and if it works, I'll file a bug (severity idea) to include that package in some kind of testing-mode to the openslug? Is this the way to go? Aug 01 05:00:36 yep. you don't even really need the bug report. Just leave a comment in the .bb file giving it status until it's completed. Aug 01 05:00:55 well gphoto is already in there, oops Aug 01 05:01:05 yeah Aug 01 05:01:07 yeah, I thought it might be. Aug 01 05:01:11 gphoto2 actually works :) Aug 01 05:02:51 yup, works great :) Aug 01 05:03:09 DaKa2 is Da Man :-P Aug 01 05:03:26 it really does! Aug 01 05:06:09 :) too bad my vacation is over and I have to do "real" work.. very little time for openslug... But I should be able to find some :) Aug 01 05:09:26 NAiL: re setup-openslug-2.3-beta-developer target in the makefile - doesn't it need to have SVN_USER in there somewhere? Aug 01 05:09:49 rwhitby: it's set at the top. It only needs to be in the environment Aug 01 05:10:22 I've confirmed that it works :) Aug 01 05:12:16 ok, cool Aug 01 05:12:42 22:44 < CIA-9> repvik * r103 /releases/OpenSlug-2.3-beta/test: Just to test setup-openslug-2.3-beta-developer target Aug 01 05:12:46 22:45 < CIA-9> repvik * r104 /releases/OpenSlug-2.3-beta/test: Remove it again ;-) Aug 01 05:27:25 should i be able to boot the compiled 'apex.bin' from ram like it says on the wiki? Aug 01 05:27:37 it's not working at all. Aug 01 05:27:43 landslide: you are the very first person to try that file Aug 01 05:27:56 so it could well be completely stuffed Aug 01 05:28:25 oh ok.. that's comforting... though exciting because i get to pioneer and try get it working :) Aug 01 05:29:14 where are all the compilation settings stored? Aug 01 05:29:22 when you say "it doesnt work"... what does it say? Aug 01 05:29:33 and what happens whenyou press return a few times Aug 01 05:29:34 because i noticed the configuration file would not work as it is in the tmp/work/apex folder. Aug 01 05:29:46 it comes up with some whacky characters Aug 01 05:29:50 i'll show you Aug 01 05:29:59 it could be just the serial timing or something like that. Aug 01 05:30:01 Aha. Aug 01 05:30:10 those are the GDB Debug codes Aug 01 05:30:12 it responds to character input on the serial port though. Aug 01 05:30:16 oh ok. Aug 01 05:30:18 its like &xxxx &xxxx Aug 01 05:30:19 they do seem structure. Aug 01 05:30:21 yep. Aug 01 05:30:26 structured i mean Aug 01 05:30:32 thats the problem i ran into Aug 01 05:30:46 when using the OE compiler to compile it Aug 01 05:30:58 but it works for [g2] so I assumed I wasnt licking it right. Aug 01 05:31:08 oh ok. Aug 01 05:31:24 what that means is the processor isnt being started normally. Aug 01 05:31:31 he has a 64mb slug? Aug 01 05:31:46 please investigate the config stuff in tmp/work/apex. Aug 01 05:31:58 because if its not setup for nslu2, thats exactly what would happen Aug 01 05:32:11 yeah no worries, but i figured the build environment sets things like $(CROSSCOMPILE) and whatnot. Aug 01 05:32:15 OR if its byteswapped for some reason; it will do that too Aug 01 05:32:41 [g2] has a 64MB FatSlug. Aug 01 05:32:48 because what is set in defconfig is not going to compile. Aug 01 05:32:57 brb.. wife Aug 01 05:33:00 landslide: the .bb file overrrides that Aug 01 05:33:56 where is that? Aug 01 05:34:15 i was looking everywhere for them. Aug 01 05:34:26 openembedded/packages/apex Aug 01 05:34:26 tmp/cache? Aug 01 05:34:27 openembedded/packages/apex Aug 01 05:35:09 so you guys link into openembedded and just modify it here and there to get openslug to work? Aug 01 05:35:29 i know i'm making it sound trivial... but I know it definitely isn't.. Aug 01 05:35:43 openslug is a distro in oe Aug 01 05:35:49 so kind of, yes. Aug 01 05:36:03 oh ok. Aug 01 05:36:21 okay I'm tired. Aug 01 05:36:22 you guys do much embedded linux work ? as a day time job? Aug 01 05:36:43 I sneak in embedded linux whenver i can. Aug 01 05:36:49 hehe. Aug 01 05:37:06 any of the aussies go to linux.conf.au? Aug 01 05:37:19 in canberra this year. Aug 01 05:37:27 guy I work with organised it Aug 01 05:37:38 oh cool. Aug 01 05:37:38 but I didn't get to go Aug 01 05:37:49 what's his name? Aug 01 05:37:56 Michael Davies Aug 01 05:38:01 ah yeah i remember. Aug 01 05:39:23 hahah i remember now Aug 01 05:39:29 i sat next to him a few times. Aug 01 05:39:35 he works in melbourne right? Aug 01 05:40:01 yeah i just checked his blog. Aug 01 05:40:34 melbourne? Aug 01 05:40:38 no? Aug 01 05:40:43 adelaide Aug 01 05:41:12 oh Aug 01 05:41:29 does he do a lot for the mono project? Aug 01 05:42:06 yeah that's him Aug 01 05:42:24 he did a talk and handed out peanut butter cups. Aug 01 05:42:27 got me hooked on them. Aug 01 06:20:12 fine, gphoto2 works, but the images from this dirt cheap usb-cam are ppm, sigh Aug 01 06:20:22 sorry this is the wrong channel - does anybody know whether there is a Debian/NSLU2-Channel? What's the advantage of using openslug over Debian? Aug 01 06:20:34 network is working ;) Aug 01 06:21:36 wspraul: Don't think there is such a thing as debian/nslu2 channel, at least not yet :) Aug 01 06:21:54 The ixp425_eth driver is only working in big endian mode, as openslug is, debian works afaik only with little endian arm. Aug 01 06:22:19 you can rebuild debian for BE if you want to Aug 01 06:22:37 koen: but then you won't be able to use the debian feeds, right? Aug 01 06:22:42 rebuild debian sounds like a real big task :) Aug 01 06:22:51 NAiL: only the src feeds Aug 01 06:23:05 koen: ah. That *does* sound like a slow process though ;-) Aug 01 06:23:21 rebuilding debian is a big task, since debian compiles everything nativly.. Aug 01 06:23:32 malfi, I know. I planned to use a usb2eth dongle. Aug 01 06:23:46 have fun compiling 17000 packages on a 266mhz slug :) Aug 01 06:23:55 why all? Aug 01 06:24:22 wspraul: asking what the advantages of openslug over debianslug is like asking about the advantages of redhat vs debian. different horses for different courses. Aug 01 06:24:50 I want to setup the nslu2 so that it can do vpn for me using Microsoft's PPTP protocol (I know, ugly but needed). I'm experienced doing this type of patching & recompiling with Debian, but not so sure about OpenSlug. Aug 01 06:25:20 rwhitby-asleep, ok, but I know RedHat & Debian quite well, yet I don't know OpenSlug (currently reading & thinking about it :-) Aug 01 06:25:26 openslug is debian based, so there shouldn't be too much difference Aug 01 06:25:40 wspraul: well you have a choice to make then: either be a pioneer for getting debianslug working, or be a pioneer for getting pptp working for openslug. Aug 01 06:25:51 wspraul: OpenSlug is only a distro based on OpenEmbedded, which uses bitbake which is similiar to Gentoo's portage. Aug 01 06:26:16 malfi: that's a dangerous statement Aug 01 06:26:29 that implies openslug is like gentoo Aug 01 06:26:34 koen: only if you say it in #oe :-) Aug 01 06:26:38 but OE uses debian stuff Aug 01 06:26:38 malfi, was OpenSlug only made for the NSLu2? Aug 01 06:27:02 * NAiL goes on a repo killing spree Aug 01 06:27:05 koen: I got that iirc from the OE-wiki... Aug 01 06:27:24 wspraul: OpenSlug is a variant of OpenEmbedded which was created specifically for the nslu2. Aug 01 06:27:24 malfi: it is correct, but misleading Aug 01 06:27:31 I see. Aug 01 06:27:49 so many projects... all for this little box. Aug 01 06:28:00 but quite the useful little box :) Aug 01 06:28:06 wspraul: in the same way that OpenZaurus is a variant of OpenEmbedded for the Zaurus PDA Aug 01 06:28:14 these are the types of codes I get when running apex (built of openslug cross) $T0a0f:00000010;0d:0003bdf8;#a1$T0a0f:00000010;0d:0003bdf8;#a1$T0a0f:00000010; Aug 01 06:28:23 is that gdb? and can I debug it :) Aug 01 06:28:27 that's GDB Aug 01 06:28:50 gdb remote protocol Aug 01 06:28:55 on the 'Debian on the NSLU2' it seems to say I need to solder a serial port onto the NSLU2 board, to use during the Debian installer. Is that necessary to install OpenSlug also? Aug 01 06:28:59 i enabled lowlevel debug and get this at the start >AnErRc Aug 01 06:29:00 00f00000+00100054=>e3a03073 Aug 01 06:29:00 The Openembedded Wiki says "BitBake is a simple tool for the execution of tasks. It is derived from Portage, which is the package management system used by the Gentoo Linux distribution. It is most commonly used to build packages, and is used as the basis of the OpenEmbedded project." Aug 01 06:29:05 wspraul: no Aug 01 06:29:35 landslide: http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/enterprise/RHEL-3-Manual/gdb/remote-protocol.html Aug 01 06:29:40 wspraul: serial is useful if you're modifying the firmware image or the boot process though Aug 01 06:29:42 thanks. Aug 01 06:29:59 malfi: correct, but the packages follow debian naming and use debian style config files Aug 01 06:30:03 rwhitby: btw I compiled apex from the source manually using the openslug cross toolchain and it did exactly the same thing. Aug 01 06:30:06 wspraul: Serial is no longer required to install and run openslug Aug 01 06:30:19 i manually configured it as per the nslu2-wiki (runapex). Aug 01 06:30:31 landslide: I suggest you go over to #openjtag and wait for beewoolie Aug 01 06:30:43 wooohoo Aug 01 06:30:45 ok, is he american? Aug 01 06:30:54 I believe so Aug 01 06:30:56 * NAiL deletes 9.5gb worth of repos Aug 01 06:30:59 ok.. Aug 01 06:32:55 NAiL: from nudi? Aug 01 06:32:59 Does anybody know rumours about NSLu2-successors? Will they retain compatibility with OpenSlug etc? Aug 01 06:33:04 rwhitby-asleep: no, from my devbox Aug 01 06:33:38 wspraul: what nslu2-successors? Aug 01 06:33:59 nslu2x? I don't know. That's my question. Aug 01 06:34:05 a successor with gblan would be nice ;-) Aug 01 06:35:07 I heard there is a successor where the R83 is moved underneath the BGA so it can't be removed .... Aug 01 06:35:15 Since this is such a vibrant community, I was hoping Linksys would be aware of this community (nslu2-linux.org etc), and be in touch over new releases, compatibility, specs, etc. I asked them to do so by e-mail, and they said "thanks for your info, which I forwarded to the Product Management" or something like that. Aug 01 06:35:28 rwhitby: seriously? Aug 01 06:35:39 NAiL: what do you think? Aug 01 06:35:48 apparently not ;) Aug 01 06:36:09 Linksys Australia is aware of this community, and does not disapprove of it. Aug 01 06:36:43 why should they disapprove. You are generating new sales opportunities for them. Aug 01 06:37:13 I think before trying Debian, I will try OpenSlug first then. Who knows, maybe that will get me where I want to be with this device. Aug 01 06:37:40 wspraul: I doubt the economics of it is that simple Aug 01 06:38:56 new sales at one performance level may reduce sales of a different device from the same company (or an associated company). if we stuffed up the firmware, they could get a whole lot of returns. lots of different factors to consider. Aug 01 06:40:28 but in general we do our best to make it a positive experience for them :-) Aug 01 06:40:43 Don't buy it. Someone who is associated with OpenSlug will _never_ call Tech Support I would say. WOuld you? And returns with a different OS on it? HOw crazy would that be. I'm pretty sure these are very nice sales to them, no returns, no tech calls, no cannibalization. Aug 01 06:41:40 wspraul: there is plenty of evidence of people flashing custom firmware on consumer devices, stuffing it up, and using a generous return policy to recover from their personal error. Aug 01 06:41:43 mine is cannibalised :-P Aug 01 06:42:28 wspraul: never underestimate the stupidity potential of a large number of individuals Aug 01 06:42:33 rwhitby: in the mean time i'm building crosstool.. Aug 01 06:44:39 I've even seen a forum post from someone who got a refurbushed unit as a warrantly replacement and it had custom firmware on it. Aug 01 06:44:53 (that was a wrt54g, not an nslu2) Aug 01 06:45:01 sheesh. Aug 01 06:45:50 and another post from someone who rang tech support, and instead of solving his hardware problem, they accused him of having custom firmware on it (he didn't). Aug 01 06:46:08 (that one was an nslu2) Aug 01 06:46:55 rwhitby, ok. you got me here. But now you are talking about the quality/honesty of a community. And agreed - there are lots of whackos out there :-) Let's hope the OpenSlug community is different. You know that you know much more about the nslu2 than the average tech support guy battling with his tech support database with you on the phone. So it's unfair to even call him with that background. My 2 cents. Aug 01 06:47:29 Is there a preferred way of pulling sources from sourceforge in a bb-file? Aug 01 06:48:08 SRC_URI = "${SOURCEFORGE_MIRROR}/project/tarball.tar.gz" ? Aug 01 06:48:15 wspraul: yep, we try and teach our community to respect personal responsibility. Aug 01 06:48:25 rwhitby, Thanks to OpenSlug, I will buy a nslu2 this week. And if it works, at least 2-3 more. Guaranteed no tech support calls, not returns, no nothing. Aug 01 06:48:33 NAiL: oh nifty Aug 01 06:48:58 wspraul: the fact that you know how to operate IRC puts you in a very small section of the nslu2 user base. Aug 01 06:49:23 (along with the rest of us here) Aug 01 06:52:51 DaKa2: Did I ask you about compiling iperf natively? Aug 01 06:52:54 night guys... Aug 01 06:53:05 night landslide-zzzz Aug 01 06:53:06 NAiL: oh yes.. you did, and I forgot.. :) Aug 01 06:53:28 DaKa2: heh, no probs, I was just looking at my buglist and wondered if I ever asked Aug 01 06:53:53 Is the environment up to doing "bb iperf" now? Aug 01 06:54:14 yep, or, close Aug 01 06:54:39 DaKa2: did you check in an openslug-native.conf ? Aug 01 06:54:45 rwhitby: yes Aug 01 06:54:48 http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/OpenSlugNativeCompileEnvironment Aug 01 06:54:59 the bitbake stuff at the bottom Aug 01 06:55:02 * rwhitby catches up with the latest ... Aug 01 06:55:31 can step 4 be part of openslug-native? Aug 01 06:55:54 yes, they just need to be added to openslug-packages.bb and some fixes Aug 01 06:56:09 I added them to openslug-packages yesterday Aug 01 06:56:12 the ipkg problem I dont know... ipkg-utils conflicts with ipkg-link.. Aug 01 06:56:30 and python-core should probably provide python Aug 01 06:57:43 hmm... is there a openslug-native-packages target yet? Aug 01 06:58:02 ie, for automatically building the native feed? Aug 01 06:58:49 well, since we dont really have any packages that needs native building, no, but there should probably be one.. Aug 01 06:59:04 apache/php doesn't work cross yet, does it? Aug 01 06:59:07 you mean an openslug-native-packages.bb ? Aug 01 06:59:17 rwhitby: yes, is there one? Aug 01 06:59:20 not yet Aug 01 06:59:27 ok Aug 01 06:59:35 NAiL: no, but there are not .bb-files for them right? Aug 01 07:00:22 packages/nonworking/apache and packages/php ? Aug 01 07:00:52 hm.. ok :) Aug 01 07:01:13 dunno if they work native though.. :) Aug 01 07:01:47 g2 has them working IIRC Aug 01 07:01:58 yes, but if the .bb-files works nativly Aug 01 07:02:06 ah, no idea Aug 01 07:03:01 I have too look at that later, now I should probably get back to actually working.. Aug 01 07:07:52 <[g2]> DaKa2 congrats one the native compile environ ! Aug 01 07:08:19 [g2] :) Aug 01 07:08:30 talked about you 6 mins ago ;) Aug 01 07:08:47 <[g2]> what did I miss ? Aug 01 07:09:04 DaKa2 and I was discussing the native compile env. Aug 01 07:09:17 <[g2]> cool. I saw an update on the wiki Aug 01 07:09:52 <[g2]> looks like it's really rocking! Aug 01 07:10:05 now, if I could only be arsed to upgrade to 2.3... Aug 01 07:11:00 <[g2]> I'd *LOVE* to try it out, but I'm not all setup now :( Aug 01 07:11:19 <[g2]> After the holiday things will be very different Aug 01 07:11:40 I'm hoping to get the new slug setup very soon Aug 01 07:11:51 then I'll be able to test the stuff as well :) Aug 01 07:12:07 <[g2]> excellent Aug 01 07:12:14 [g2]: ucslugc is now an officially supported firmware Aug 01 07:12:24 * [g2] is proud of you guys ! Aug 01 07:12:31 with automatically updated feeds and all Aug 01 07:13:00 it's even possible to build and push the stable feed with the master makefile ;-) Aug 01 07:13:06 so the master makefile is all ready for LoftOS Aug 01 07:13:07 <[g2]> COOL! You guys totally ROCK! :) Aug 01 07:13:10 (well, dunno about the push yet) Aug 01 07:14:06 <[g2]> the data connection should be get setup next week or the week after then I'll have a little static connection to the big Internet Aug 01 07:14:14 I created openembedded/packages/netpbm/netpbm_10.28.bb and now I plan to do a ". setup-env ; ${OESYS}bin/bitbake openembedded/packages/netpbm/netpbm_10.28.bb", is this the way(tm) to do it? Aug 01 07:14:44 source setup-env ; bb -b path/to/package.bb Aug 01 07:15:13 okay thanks Aug 01 07:15:22 make sure you bb unfreeze first Aug 01 07:15:49 oh, you may not need to if you use -b as NAiL said Aug 01 07:16:07 (as long as there are no other unmade dependencies) Aug 01 07:18:43 <[g2]> jbowler-zzz and all congrats on ucslugc! Aug 01 07:22:10 <[g2]> catch you guys later! Aug 01 07:22:13 <[g2]> Cheers Aug 01 07:33:05 argh, the "build-tools" of netpbm must be compiled nativly Aug 01 07:33:43 don't you just love that? Aug 01 07:33:51 Aug 01 07:35:20 * malfi mumbles. Aug 01 07:38:44 the latest nslu2 firmware from linksys has non-working remnants of mt-daapd in it, and a Paragon NTFS commercial licensed kernel module ... Aug 01 07:39:12 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nslu2-linux/message/7826 Aug 01 07:39:16 with write-support? Aug 01 07:39:46 strings /lib/modules/ufsd.o give us: Aug 01 07:39:46 kernel_version=2.4.22-xfs Aug 01 07:39:46 description=Paragon ufsd driver Aug 01 07:39:46 author=Andrey Shedel Aug 01 07:39:47 license=Commertial product Aug 01 07:39:47 UFSD version 5.0 (Mar 25 2005, 19:11:46) Aug 01 07:39:49 New NTFS read/write support included Aug 01 07:40:07 nice Aug 01 07:41:17 but chances aren't high to get this working with 2.6, are tehy? Aug 01 07:41:23 binary module Aug 01 07:41:40 and they don't need to release source for it Aug 01 07:41:54 I thought of something like a wrapper... Aug 01 07:42:03 but who needs ntfs? :) Aug 01 07:42:34 Unslung users? Aug 01 07:43:27 hmm, good point ... :) Aug 01 07:44:03 So I guess there will be another Unslung version after all ... Aug 01 07:44:25 morning. Aug 01 07:47:19 the x86 version of this ntfs module costs like 70 EUR, I wonder what license deal they've got Aug 01 07:56:08 * malfi mumbles: ... missing DESTDIR support... Aug 01 08:10:12 Am I the only one who can't compile sysvinit? Aug 01 08:11:08 I hope so.. I was in that and changes stuff for u-a... Aug 01 08:11:28 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/repvik/nslu2/openslug/tmp/work/sysvinit-2.86-r16/sysvinit-2.85/src' Aug 01 08:11:32 mv: cannot stat `/home/repvik/nslu2/openslug/tmp/work/sysvinit-2.86-r16/image/usr/bin/wall': No such file or directory Aug 01 08:11:35 That's what I get Aug 01 08:11:41 and is that file there? Aug 01 08:11:46 or is it somewhere else? Aug 01 08:12:05 it's not there at all Aug 01 08:12:13 nowhere in image? Aug 01 08:12:32 nowhere in sysvinit at all Aug 01 08:12:40 o.k. Aug 01 08:13:07 that is really strange.. sysvinit usually build wall... Aug 01 08:13:25 why didn't it for you? Aug 01 08:13:43 dunno Aug 01 08:14:02 anything about wall in the logs? Aug 01 08:15:15 run.do_compile.5101: mv /home/repvik/nslu2/openslug/tmp/work/sysvinit-2.86-r16/image/usr/bin/wall /home/repvik/nslu2/openslug/tmp/work/sysvinit-2.86-r16/image/usr/bin/wall.sysvinit Aug 01 08:15:38 but wall.sysvinit isn't there either Aug 01 08:15:42 what? in compile?? Aug 01 08:15:52 that should be in do_install, I think.. Aug 01 08:16:00 have to look at this.. Aug 01 08:17:36 It's in a completely fresh repo Aug 01 08:18:07 somehow do_install is beeing run in do_compile for you, before it actually has compiled anything.. Aug 01 08:18:45 run.do_install.30278: mv /home/slug/openslug/tmp/work/sysvinit-2.86-r16/image/usr/bin/wall /home/slug/openslug/tmp/work/sysvinit-2.86-r16/image/usr/bin/wall.sysvinit Aug 01 08:19:14 for me, and it gets compiled in do_compile... Aug 01 08:20:39 NAiL: if you look in run.do_compile, how come it runs mv, that should be in do_install Aug 01 08:22:10 do_install() { Aug 01 08:22:10 oe_runmake 'ROOT=/home/repvik/nslu2/openslug/tmp/work/sysvinit-2.86-r16/image' install Aug 01 08:22:13 [snip] Aug 01 08:22:21 mv /home/repvik/nslu2/openslug/tmp/work/sysvinit-2.86-r16/image/usr/bin/wall /home/repvik/nslu2/openslug/tmp/work/sysvinit-2.86-r16/image/usr/bin/wall Aug 01 08:22:37 There's no mv earlier Aug 01 08:22:40 yep.. but.. do_install.. where does it call that? Aug 01 08:23:42 how do I find out? Aug 01 08:24:53 hm.. what stage did it stop in in the compile? Aug 01 08:25:23 do_install Aug 01 08:25:30 ok, so it got to that.. Aug 01 08:25:50 did it do do_compile before that? Aug 01 08:25:52 it was supposedly moved in do_compile (accd. to logs), but it's nowhere in the image dir Aug 01 08:26:00 NOTE: package sysvinit-2.86-r16: task do_compile: started Aug 01 08:26:00 NOTE: package sysvinit-2.86-r16: task do_compile: completed Aug 01 08:26:00 NOTE: package sysvinit-2.86-r16: task do_populate_staging: started Aug 01 08:26:42 strange, and you have tried -cclean and try again? Aug 01 08:26:47 many times Aug 01 08:26:57 does it actually compile anything? Aug 01 08:27:18 repvik@dev:~/nslu2/openslug/tmp/work/sysvinit-2.86-r16/image$ du -s * Aug 01 08:27:18 4 bin Aug 01 08:27:18 52 etc Aug 01 08:27:18 112 sbin Aug 01 08:27:18 140 usr Aug 01 08:27:41 repvik@dev:~/nslu2/openslug/tmp/work/sysvinit-2.86-r16/image/usr/bin$ ls Aug 01 08:27:41 last.sysvinit lastb mesg.sysvinit Aug 01 08:29:11 ok.. now that is strange.. Aug 01 08:29:44 hehe Aug 01 08:30:53 do you atleast have the source files for wall in src? Aug 01 08:31:26 * DaKa2 runs make update to check noone changes anything recently, gets 104 revs in... Aug 01 08:38:33 Okay, I've got a bitbake for netpbm, but it's rather quick and dirty, probably more dirty then quick, not that it matters. It's surely not ready to be included, but might be a good start, if someone wants to take on it. I wonder if it's okay, if I file a bug as idea/wishlist for netpbm and post that bitbake as the description. (That's how they do it over at Gentoo...) Aug 01 08:41:36 DaKa2: My build should be up to date, set up the repo a couple of hours ago Aug 01 08:41:51 malfi: go ahead, assign it to repvik Aug 01 08:41:57 (me) Aug 01 08:42:30 I'll take a look at it while I eat my pizza :-D Aug 01 08:42:55 okay :) Aug 01 08:44:08 NAiL: 17:30 < DaKa2> do you atleast have the source files for wall in src? Aug 01 08:44:52 4 -rw-r--r-- 1 repvik repvik 2351 Sep 15 2000 wall.c Aug 01 08:45:43 NAiL: ok.. but its not compiled, and no .o file? Aug 01 08:46:08 no .o Aug 01 08:46:24 -rwxr-xr-x 1 daka daka 13904 Aug 1 17:45 wall Aug 01 08:46:24 -rw-r--r-- 1 daka daka 2351 Sep 15 2000 wall.c Aug 01 08:46:24 -rw-r--r-- 1 daka daka 2700 Aug 1 17:45 wall.o Aug 01 08:46:36 I dno't have wa 8 -rw------- 1 repvik repvik 6269 Sep 12 2000 utmpdump.c Aug 01 08:46:36 4 -rw-r--r-- 1 repvik repvik 2351 Sep 15 2000 wall.c Aug 01 08:46:36 repvik@dev:~/nslu2/openslug/tmp/work/sysvinit-2.86-r16/sysvinit-2.85/src$ Aug 01 08:46:40 urgh Aug 01 08:46:40 8 -rw------- 1 repvik repvik 6269 Sep 12 2000 utmpdump.c Aug 01 08:46:40 4 -rw-r--r-- 1 repvik repvik 2351 Sep 15 2000 wall.c Aug 01 08:46:40 repvik@dev:~/nslu2/openslug/tmp/work/sysvinit-2.86-r16/sysvinit-2.85/src$ Aug 01 08:47:01 NAiL: #230 Aug 01 08:47:09 malfi: thx Aug 01 08:48:14 NAiL: especially the "cd buildtools; CC=cc make; cd .. " is probably no good... :) Aug 01 08:49:03 malfi: first of all, make the ^CC=/STRIPFLAG-stuff into a diff Aug 01 08:49:24 makes it easier to read :) Aug 01 08:50:30 NAiL: STRIPFLAG="" prevents the striping, because it goes boom, if it trys... Aug 01 08:50:44 NAiL: but you're right, I'll make a diff Aug 01 08:52:28 NAiL: do you have DISTRO exported in your enviorment? Aug 01 08:52:41 ifeq ($(DISTRO),) Aug 01 08:52:42 USRBIN += utmpdump wall Aug 01 08:52:44 endif Aug 01 08:52:58 and a few other things you want.. Aug 01 08:53:30 distro is openslug Aug 01 08:53:36 uhm.. it is? Aug 01 08:53:41 repvik@dev:~/nslu2/openslug/tmp/work/sysvinit-2.86-r16/sysvinit-2.85/src$ echo $DISTRO Aug 01 08:53:45 openslug Aug 01 08:54:00 not on my build, and thats why it works.. Aug 01 08:54:19 aah Aug 01 08:54:34 the Makefile for sysvinit checks for DISTRO and selects what to build.. Aug 01 08:55:06 hmm Aug 01 08:55:21 why isn't your DISTRO set? Aug 01 08:55:41 dunno, its in local.conf, so only bitbake reads it Aug 01 08:56:09 did anyone change how that works? Aug 01 08:56:20 setup-env: Aug 01 08:56:25 . ./conf/auto.conf Aug 01 08:56:25 export DISTRO Aug 01 08:56:35 auto.conf: Aug 01 08:56:39 # OpenSlug bitbake configuration Aug 01 08:56:39 DISTRO="openslug" Aug 01 08:57:19 fun.. someone changed how that works for openslug, since I havn't regenerated my setup-env it works Aug 01 08:57:42 so.. I guess sysvinit has to be fixed Aug 01 08:58:03 hmm Aug 01 08:58:29 What's the best way to fix it? temporarily unsetting DISTRO? Patching makefile? Aug 01 08:58:59 either way works.. Aug 01 09:01:15 uhm.. did someone remove setup-env in the Makefiles? Aug 01 09:02:05 make update && make setup Aug 01 09:02:24 That'll update your repo to the current way of doing things Aug 01 09:02:48 fun.. Aug 01 09:05:50 does something like an openembedded package wishlist exists somewhere? Aug 01 09:10:21 malfi: Think there's one on the wiki. But filing a bug isn't a bad idea Aug 01 09:10:34 DaKa2: I've patched the makefile, let's see if it'll build now :D Aug 01 09:11:30 NAiL: ahh, good, nice when bugs end up beeing easier to fix than you think :) Aug 01 09:11:55 NAiL: the wiki wishlist is only for unslung Aug 01 09:12:38 aha Aug 01 09:12:43 well, file a bug then ;) Aug 01 09:13:18 more people see the bugs than the wishlist anyway I think Aug 01 09:15:08 ugh Aug 01 09:15:13 patching patches are messy :P Aug 01 09:17:17 heh Aug 01 09:23:14 NAiL: ahh, there is a bb-safe now, if you had tried with that is would have worked, probably Aug 01 09:23:35 NOTE: package sysvinit-2.86: completed Aug 01 09:23:35 NOTE: build 200508011824: completed Aug 01 09:23:47 :) Aug 01 09:24:52 but it will probably still break for ucslugc Aug 01 09:25:06 is there supposed to be a openslug/topdir.conf? Aug 01 09:25:20 not that I can see Aug 01 09:25:23 I don't have one atleast Aug 01 09:25:54 # topdir must exist in the directory and define TOPDIR to Aug 01 09:25:54 # the full path name of the working directory Aug 01 09:25:54 . ./conf/topdir.conf Aug 01 09:26:06 TOPDIR='/home/repvik/nslu2/openslug' Aug 01 09:26:13 in topdir.conf Aug 01 09:26:14 NAiL: which discussion Aug 01 09:26:25 DISTRO being exported breaks sysvinit Aug 01 09:26:43 from the sysvinit Makefile: Aug 01 09:26:43 17:52 < DaKa2> ifeq ($(DISTRO),) Aug 01 09:26:43 17:52 < DaKa2> USRBIN += utmpdump wall Aug 01 09:26:43 17:52 < DaKa2> endif Aug 01 09:27:19 It sets various targets according to $DISTRO Aug 01 09:27:40 Hum... it wasn't being exported last night... Aug 01 09:27:52 no, it's the new setup with auto.conf and stuff Aug 01 09:28:08 ahh, make create-topdir to get that file.. Aug 01 09:28:12 That was working fine last night. Aug 01 09:28:56 rwhitby-asleep added 'export DISTRO', I don't see why. Aug 01 09:29:15 he wanted to break sysvinit? :) Aug 01 09:29:42 ok, so the fix is simply to remove 'export DISTRO' from setup-env? Aug 01 09:29:58 I think he then used it extensively in the Makefile. Aug 01 09:30:11 The Makefile needs to use $(DISTRO), not $${DISTRO} Aug 01 09:30:12 aha Aug 01 09:31:05 It doesn't make sense. setup-env doesn't need to include auto.conf Aug 01 09:33:21 what's the point of auto.conf in the first place? Aug 01 09:33:32 Try this: Aug 01 09:33:44 (1) in common/setup-env remove the include of auto.conf and the following exports Aug 01 09:34:04 (2) in common/openembedded.mk change $${DISTRO} and $${MAKE_TARGET} to $(DISTRO) and $(MAKE_TARGET) Aug 01 09:34:25 (3) In common/openembedded.mk put the line "include conf/auto.conf" at the head of the file. Aug 01 09:35:32 Then just do an incremental build (delete the sysvinit directories/stamps) Aug 01 09:35:50 I just 'clobbered' my system, so it will take a while to test this... Aug 01 09:36:53 Ok, done the three steps, going to move my patch outta the way and test Aug 01 09:37:54 At least the 'really-clean' targets work now. Aug 01 09:38:45 BTW I think ${DISTRO} and $(DISTRO) are identical in make, but I can't remember, and I know $(foo) works :) Aug 01 09:39:32 hmm Aug 01 09:39:36 no, still doesn't work Aug 01 09:39:50 wall still isn't built Aug 01 09:40:41 I thought it might be because $DISTRO was still set in my environment, but unsetting it didn't help either Aug 01 09:41:30 What's stopping it building now - if DISTRO isn't set Aug 01 09:42:09 It appears DISTRO is still set to *something*, since the makefile doesn't build the correct targets Aug 01 09:42:42 I wonder if make is putting DISTRO into the environment - but that shouldn't happen unless -e is specified, and it isn't Aug 01 09:45:04 Ok, so maybe it wasn't working before either. Aug 01 09:45:41 If I add a DISTRO,openslug in the Makefile, it works like a charm Aug 01 09:47:01 Try, in addition to the other changes, adding "unset DISTRO; unset MACHINE; unset MAKE_TARGET" in setup-env after the other unsets Aug 01 09:47:36 in common/setup-env? Aug 01 09:47:42 Yes Aug 01 09:48:36 that fixes it Aug 01 09:48:55 Dammit, seems like 'make' is putting everything into the environment Aug 01 09:51:58 No - the documentation is quite clear, make doesn't add to the environment, so something in your current environment must have set DISTRO Aug 01 09:52:31 What could that be? Aug 01 09:52:44 I unset DISTRO and did bb sysvinit, and it failed Aug 01 09:52:58 I thought it might be because $DISTRO was still set in my environment, but unsetting it didn't help either Aug 01 09:53:04 How did you unset it? Aug 01 09:53:12 unset DISTRO Aug 01 09:53:33 echo $DISTRO confirms that it's no longer set Aug 01 09:53:47 You need to use set | egrep DISTRO Aug 01 09:53:58 unset and empty are different Aug 01 09:54:09 aha Aug 01 09:54:22 (or echo ${DISTRO with some : poo to get it to differentiate between the two states). Aug 01 09:55:14 Can you add, to openembeded.mk: Aug 01 09:55:16 testenv: Aug 01 09:55:19 set Aug 01 09:55:35 Then do a "make testenv" Aug 01 09:56:04 DISTRO isn't in the list Aug 01 09:56:19 Did you remove the 'unset' stuff from setup-env? Aug 01 09:56:37 (Not that this should make any difference). Aug 01 09:56:59 did now, no diff Aug 01 09:58:24 So why does unseting something which is not set in setup-env cause it to work? Aug 01 09:59:05 hmm Aug 01 09:59:42 Can you try changing the testenv command to ". ./setup-env; set" Aug 01 10:00:02 That makes it exactly the same as the bitbake command Aug 01 10:01:07 now DISTRO is set Aug 01 10:01:18 It isn't when I do it. Aug 01 10:01:37 egrep DISTRO ../common/setup-env Aug 01 10:01:42 ls -l ./setup-env Aug 01 10:02:06 common/setup-env Aug 01 10:02:52 Curious - on my system it is ../common/setup-env, what does ls -l common say? Aug 01 10:03:07 yeah, ../common/setup-env Aug 01 10:03:27 Well, something in ../common/setup-env is setting DISTRO... Aug 01 10:04:37 $ wc setup-env Aug 01 10:04:37 43 173 1258 setup-env Aug 01 10:05:46 47 179 1314 Aug 01 10:06:25 uh Aug 01 10:06:32 Now I'm confused Aug 01 10:06:34 it compiles Aug 01 10:07:29 sh -c 'echo $DISTRO; . ./setup-env; echo $DISTRO' Aug 01 10:07:43 repvik@dev:~/nslu2/openslug$ sh -c 'echo $DISTRO; . ./setup-env; echo $DISTRO' Aug 01 10:07:50 two blank lines Aug 01 10:08:14 Yes, that's what I see. Aug 01 10:08:28 Something changed... Aug 01 10:09:00 morning Aug 01 10:09:24 morning Aug 01 10:09:28 morning ka6sox-office Aug 01 10:10:23 NAiL: this doesn't make sense. It should work fine with those lines commented out, and now it seems to - I'll test on my system. Aug 01 10:10:43 jbowler-zzz: the lines are commented out, and it works fine Aug 01 10:10:50 Nope, now my system fails. Aug 01 10:10:53 heh Aug 01 10:10:56 what the? Aug 01 10:11:08 But it's failing in do_compile, not do_install - something else? Aug 01 10:11:50 yeah... Aug 01 10:11:55 My error - I killed a clobber and it must have removed tmp/work before tmp/stamps... Aug 01 10:11:56 how does it fail? Aug 01 10:11:59 ah Aug 01 10:12:06 (can't find the C compiler ;-) Aug 01 10:12:18 haha :P Aug 01 10:12:32 Ok, I think we should explicitly unset the three variables anyway - then they can never get set accidentally... Aug 01 10:13:01 I'm going to try without but then add the unset even if everything works, but I have to build from scratch now. Aug 01 11:34:45 hm, trying to make a .bb for pine.. and the build script is just a bash script (well, that or rexx :) ) Aug 01 11:35:04 having problems with includes and libs ofcourse.. Aug 01 11:36:35 kolla: monotone pull: http://www.handhelds.org/hypermail/oe-commits/current/0536.html Aug 01 11:38:17 aha Aug 01 11:38:45 ofcourse I have to fiddle with it to get in all my favourite patches :) Aug 01 11:38:56 thanks :) Aug 01 11:39:08 thank mickeyl :) Aug 01 11:40:37 right.. Aug 01 11:40:40 mickeyl: thanks :) Aug 01 11:51:27 ah... ${STAGING_LIBDIR}/openssl Aug 01 11:51:30 s.. Aug 01 11:51:33 so.. Aug 01 11:52:16 that's where I find ncurses and ldap too I guess Aug 01 11:53:03 cool Aug 01 11:57:13 the .h files should be in ${STAGING_INCDIR}/ Aug 01 11:57:23 yes, found that too :) Aug 01 11:57:45 I was wondering what location I was supposed to use Aug 01 11:59:02 btw, I made a bb for ccxstream.. where/how do I check it in? Aug 01 11:59:19 or.. commit Aug 01 11:59:27 hm, te above mailing list perhaps? :) Aug 01 11:59:30 the Aug 01 11:59:54 I'd say the nslu2 bugtracker or the OE bugtracker Aug 01 12:00:16 but that's my opinion as an OE-dev, not as a openslug dev :) Aug 01 12:00:53 ok :) Aug 01 12:01:02 well, I dont care.. I already have the bb :) Aug 01 12:02:01 hm, need to find my bugtracker user again Aug 01 12:08:23 so what kind of "bug" is this, heh Aug 01 12:09:03 'enhancement' I guess Aug 01 12:12:30 monotone diff and attach the output as to a feature request Aug 01 12:13:09 (openslug packages) Aug 01 12:19:48 oh, monorone diff? I just made a normal diff Aug 01 12:21:47 So long as you recorded the ancestor revision that's fine, they are equivalent. Aug 01 12:21:49 nah, monotone diff just found my local kernel config :) Aug 01 12:22:12 jbowler-away: http://amiga.nvg.org/oe/ccxstream.diff Aug 01 12:22:16 I just did that Aug 01 12:25:43 I put it in the packages directory, strange that it doesnt show up when I do monotone diff Aug 01 12:26:13 You probably didn't monotone add it Aug 01 12:26:47 There's no ancestor revision in that diff (not that it makes any difference because there seem to be no changed files) Aug 01 12:26:48 right Aug 01 12:27:29 there, yes Aug 01 12:27:50 guess I'll cut the bits that is aout the defconf of the kernel though :)( Aug 01 12:30:56 It's in revision 5f72a960b6a39aff5692423f45ca63cdb17da63c Aug 01 12:32:42 The .bb file mkdirs /usr/bin but installs ccxstream in /usr/sbin - I suspect these should both be something like ${bindir} Aug 01 12:33:06 hm, ok Aug 01 12:33:39 ah yes, I changed that afterwards Aug 01 12:33:43 but not fully Aug 01 12:35:09 is one supposed to do things like mkdir, or are there tools in oe that does that for you? Aug 01 12:38:04 jbowler-away: so, did you add it now.. or? Aug 01 12:42:23 sbindir, is that /sbin or /usr/sbin? :) Aug 01 12:42:36 default is /usr/sbindir Aug 01 12:42:36 /usr/sbin Aug 01 12:42:49 base_sbindir = /sbin Aug 01 12:43:26 kolla: there is a nice list of the defaults in bitbake.conf Aug 01 12:43:40 ah, ok Aug 01 12:47:52 kolla: that change is on all the servers (or should be) Aug 01 12:48:25 guess this one is better? http://amiga.nvg.org/oe/ccxstream.diff Aug 01 12:48:30 (reload) Aug 01 12:49:04 You need to sync/update Aug 01 12:49:29 ok Aug 01 12:57:58 hm, monotone is so slow :P Aug 01 13:01:30 how do I get monotone to restore files I have deleted Aug 01 13:01:48 it just gives me warning about missing files Aug 01 13:02:27 monotone revert Aug 01 13:02:47 That's a file name in the working tree, not the path of a file in the database. Aug 01 13:03:58 *testing* Aug 01 13:04:51 I hoped to get dsniff working. So I added libnet, libnids and dsniff to openembedded/config/distro/openslug-packages.conf and dsniff to openembedded/packages/meta/openslug-packages.bb, everything is build, and I installed all those crispy packages. Unfortunatly the dsniff package doesn't install all the files needed (dsniff: couldn't open /usr/lib/dsniff.services). That's something I should file at the OE-bugtracker, right? Aug 01 13:12:31 jbowler-away: ok, and how do I commit now? http://amiga.nvg.org/oe/ccxstream2.diff Aug 01 15:04:02 NOTE: build 200508011914: completed Aug 01 15:58:10 kolla: generate a key (see the instructions on http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/CreateAndUseMonotoneKeys) Aug 01 17:08:18 Ok, who made a change to ccxstream without bumping the PR ? Aug 01 17:08:58 kolla? Aug 01 17:09:25 heh Aug 01 17:10:02 kolla: bumping the PR is mandatory, otherwise our automatic builds will never update the feed with your change. Aug 01 17:11:01 yes, I just learned that Aug 01 17:12:28 * Tiersten puts the pitchfork and flaming torch away Aug 01 17:13:53 :) Aug 01 17:18:00 kolla: no problem, we're all learning here :-) Aug 01 17:18:46 anyone have any idea where openssl might be looking for openssl.cnf btw? Aug 01 17:19:23 guess I must look at the .bb and see if it reveals it Aug 01 17:21:48 --openssldir=${libdir}/ssl perhaps Aug 01 17:24:00 yay Aug 01 17:24:28 not /etc/ssl as I am used to, but ok.. Aug 01 17:29:53 so, huh.. reading mail with pine over ssl over ipv6 inside screen.. just need that ldap-fix done, and I'm satisfied :) Aug 01 18:02:16 kolla: sounds good :) Aug 01 18:02:52 good movie? Aug 01 18:03:16 like.. 6 hours movie? Aug 01 18:03:43 Tiersten, hey Aug 01 18:03:48 hehehe Aug 01 18:03:59 Yes, Batman Begins! I loved it. Aug 01 18:04:09 haven't seen it Aug 01 18:04:13 (yet) Aug 01 18:04:18 I decided to jump on the motorcycle for a ride in the park after. Aug 01 18:04:33 I really liked it. Nothing like the crap they had before. Aug 01 18:04:43 but this is my opinion of course. Aug 01 18:04:59 opinions are personal ;-) Aug 01 18:05:11 I went to see thhgtg today Aug 01 18:05:25 what? Aug 01 18:05:31 I see. Aug 01 18:05:37 Hitchhiker? Aug 01 18:05:39 yup Aug 01 18:05:43 Was it good? Aug 01 18:05:45 I liked it Aug 01 18:05:59 I've never watch or read about it so I'm not expecting anything. Aug 01 18:06:01 It's been ages since I read the book, so I only noticed some parts were missing ;) Aug 01 18:06:07 cool. Aug 01 18:06:13 I forgot it was out. Aug 01 18:06:21 ah, well, it's a fun movie. But I think it's a bit better when you've read the book Aug 01 18:06:32 yeah. normal I guess. Aug 01 18:06:40 I want to see The Island next Aug 01 18:06:52 I love long movies. (2+ hours) Aug 01 18:07:46 Tiersten, was it with you I was talking about switching my roboslug's devices to USB? Aug 01 18:08:40 Anyone know if php works in openslug? The standalone stuff that is actually in the feed... Aug 01 18:09:03 anybody using libusb here? Aug 01 18:09:15 yes, for my IXUS Aug 01 18:09:20 IXUS? Aug 01 18:09:24 but not any programming stuff, no Aug 01 18:09:31 Canon IXUS Aug 01 18:09:34 i see. Aug 01 18:09:35 camera Aug 01 18:10:00 I'm just trying to find out if there's any know overhead. Aug 01 18:10:21 kolla: you got ccxstream to work? Aug 01 18:10:29 yes, I'm still trying to figure out how to speed up my USB transfers. I'm always trying to speed things up it seems eh? Aug 01 18:10:40 hehe **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Aug 01 23:59:56 2005