**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Aug 06 23:59:57 2005 Aug 07 04:25:05 NAiL: Ping? Good news & bad news. Good news: the rebuild booted. Bad news: someone hs forgotten to make the repo link to the packages from openslug/native/2.6-beta Aug 07 04:25:37 ah, yes, that's a missing symlink Aug 07 04:25:38 will fix Aug 07 04:25:48 Goody Aug 07 04:26:19 * ingeba will get his missing symlink, drinks coffee and is at peace with the world. Aug 07 04:31:18 if you try to ipkg update now, it should work Aug 07 04:31:25 I think Aug 07 04:31:58 Cross works well, native still missing Aug 07 04:32:23 ah, yes Aug 07 04:33:31 hmm Aug 07 04:33:37 hmm? Aug 07 04:33:43 your build pulls from 2.6-beta? Aug 07 04:33:47 shouldn't do that Aug 07 04:33:51 it should pull from unstable Aug 07 04:33:55 Not up to me I think. Aug 07 04:34:03 I can change it, so in that sense it is up to me Aug 07 04:35:35 No unstable feed in /etc/ipkg Aug 07 04:36:02 nah Aug 07 04:36:04 nevermind Aug 07 04:36:09 I'll just set up a symlink Aug 07 04:36:14 nail, the feed name should be 2.6 Aug 07 04:36:17 -foo Aug 07 04:36:26 or at least it has been in the past. Aug 07 04:36:29 yes Aug 07 04:36:40 with a symlink in the feed to the unstable feed. Aug 07 04:36:44 It just makes it harder for me to update the mirrors ;) Aug 07 04:37:12 Does it really? Thats the way 2.4 was working. Aug 07 04:37:25 yeah, I know Aug 07 04:37:28 autobuilds syncs the unstable feed automagically... Aug 07 04:37:54 so its only an issue for you when a version goes out of unstable right? Aug 07 04:38:43 It's an issue every time a release is done, because currently I have to ssh to every mirror and move symlinks and create directories Aug 07 04:39:01 Guys: Shouldn't there be separate feeds for the versions so modules, which may be bound to kernel version, are placed there and a general feed for apps, which should remain compatible? Aug 07 04:40:12 (or is this me talking Unslungish where kernels aren't upgraded in IPKG) Aug 07 04:40:15 ingeba: currently the 2.3-beta feed contains fixes for 2.3-beta Aug 07 04:41:01 and that'll be a nightmare for me to support if the app feeds are shared between releases Aug 07 04:41:31 dyoung: btw, you're correct. It should be {DISTRO_VERSION} Aug 07 04:41:34 not unstable Aug 07 04:41:41 Ok NAiL - you're the boss. Tell me how you want it and I'll adjust my /etc/ipkg feed files accordingly Aug 07 04:41:50 ingeba: don't do squat ;) Aug 07 04:42:29 * ingeba whistles something reminding the nabor of the theme from "Mr. Ed" Aug 07 04:47:53 there shouldnt be any shared feeds for a "stablised" release. Aug 07 04:48:08 exactly Aug 07 05:02:43 NAiL: What was the vote of the Openslug jury? Aug 07 05:03:20 it stays the way it is :) Aug 07 05:03:53 Which in case of "native/2.6-beta" means? Aug 07 05:04:09 that I'll fix it now ;) Aug 07 05:04:20 Goed so Aug 07 05:05:13 now Aug 07 05:05:20 of course, that's only for the packages Aug 07 05:05:28 the feeds themselves aren't updated yet Aug 07 05:06:47 Looking good, NAiL ! Great and speedy help as usual. Aug 07 05:10:26 NAiL: what do you mean the feeds themselves aren't updated yet? Aug 07 05:11:24 oh, you mean the 2.5-beta cross feed - shouldn't that just be a copy of unstable as it is right now? Aug 07 05:11:42 or are you going to do it from scratch with the 2.5 repo? Aug 07 05:12:29 Hmm... "The requested URL /feeds/openslug/cross/2.6-beta/bash_3.0-r4_armeb.ipk was not found on this server." The package link is in the directory, but no file (or insuff. priviliges) Aug 07 05:12:58 NAiL: I'm seeing feed dirs without g+w and g+s on them. Please fix immediately. Aug 07 05:13:48 hang on, they're owned by the right owner, so it doesn't matter. false alarm Aug 07 05:15:50 rwhitby: 2.5-beta is identical with 2.3-beta Aug 07 05:16:03 err Aug 07 05:16:20 2.4 is identical with 2.3-beta. 2.5 is going to be split off Aug 07 05:16:34 a copy of current unstable Aug 07 05:18:59 NAiL: You know which packages are missing (like bash)? Aug 07 05:19:31 ingeba: Right now? All. Aug 07 05:19:48 The index files are there, but no packages. Aug 07 05:20:17 I just installed "less"... Aug 07 05:20:58 That's ... odd Aug 07 05:21:09 oh Aug 07 05:21:12 nm Aug 07 05:21:12 I'll retry Aug 07 05:22:07 root@snillelink:/etc/init.d# ipkg download less Aug 07 05:22:09 Downloading http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/openslug/cross/2.6-beta/less_382-r0_armeb.ipk Aug 07 05:22:11 Downloaded less as ./less_382-r0_armeb.ipk Aug 07 05:22:25 ipkg download bash now? Aug 07 05:22:51 wget: server returned error 404: HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found Aug 07 05:23:01 try a few times Aug 07 05:23:02 Update first? Aug 07 05:23:17 bash_3.0-r4_armeb.ipk Aug 07 05:23:33 that's from 2.6-beta feed on my mirror Aug 07 05:23:46 nail, did you mirror push it all? Aug 07 05:23:54 jf's mirror hasn't been set up for the new feeds yet, so you might be hitting that once in a while Aug 07 05:24:01 dyoung: I'm setting up the symlinks and stuff Aug 07 05:24:13 which, afaik, I can't do automatically Aug 07 05:24:17 once its set, you should be able to rsync the symlinks Aug 07 05:24:35 Nah - same, same Aug 07 05:24:39 dyoung: enlighten me ;) Aug 07 05:24:57 where are you making these symlinks? Aug 07 05:25:06 dyoung: Can I set up the structure on one box, and have it propagate to all the mirrors? Aug 07 05:25:18 ye, thats why I'm asking. :-) Aug 07 05:25:30 I've set it up on nugabe and my mirror Aug 07 05:25:41 nugabe where? Aug 07 05:25:51 are there more nugabes? Aug 07 05:26:06 slug@nugabe:~/htdocs/ipkg/feeds/openslug/cross/2.6-beta Aug 07 05:26:09 nugbe:/home/.... ? Aug 07 05:26:11 okay Aug 07 05:26:45 will that propagate? Because right now I can't login to jf's mirror ;) Aug 07 05:27:01 so you can just ssh nslu2@sources.nslu2-linux.org mirror/sync-ipk openslug/cross/2.6-beta Aug 07 05:27:22 use that command with care. Aug 07 05:27:27 will that create the symlink for 2.6-beta? Aug 07 05:27:30 oh wait, that wont work. Aug 07 05:27:39 you need to do something else. Aug 07 05:27:42 because that dir is a symlink to unstable Aug 07 05:27:48 hmm, I can either write it, or you can type it. Aug 07 05:28:18 and the 2.5-beta feed needs to be unlinked and linked to 2.3-beta instead Aug 07 05:28:18 ah hell Aug 07 05:28:22 I'll just do it. Aug 07 05:28:36 dyoung: do what? Aug 07 05:28:59 2.5 is a directory. Aug 07 05:58:22 NAiL: bash is now online. Good show. Aug 07 05:58:55 its not all synched yet. Aug 07 05:58:58 its only on L Aug 07 05:59:15 Just installed xinetd Aug 07 05:59:38 are you explicitly hitting nail Aug 07 05:59:41 's m irror? Aug 07 06:00:12 By accident I think - last time was jean-fabrice if I recall Aug 07 06:00:47 it must be by accident. I just finished blowing away the jf 2.{5,6} feeds Aug 07 06:00:58 :-) Aug 07 06:02:08 Due to a series of unfortunate miscommunication, the 2.5/2.6 feeds may have partially gotten muched, so its resyncing now. 2.6 should be up, 2.5 is only on L Aug 07 06:02:28 I'll postpone the dev-slug population. Still have 9 hours to go before I have to hand it back. If all works my midnight I'll switch. Ouch... this switching thing is hairy business with no margin for error. Aug 07 06:02:50 Feels like I'm converting to Judaism. Aug 07 06:19:16 Hmmm... any reason why "libogg" ends up as "libogg0" as IPK? Aug 07 06:20:39 It breaks the dependency set in Streamripper. Aug 07 06:21:34 debian package naming rules Aug 07 06:22:04 Where can I read more on that? It differs from Unsling IPK naming Aug 07 06:22:12 s/Unsling/Unslung/ Aug 07 06:22:23 also consider using tremor as that doesn't use floating point math Aug 07 06:22:47 Hmm.. never heard of, but it makes sense Aug 07 06:25:06 sometimes is shows up as vorbisidec Aug 07 06:25:21 I only know it exists an people use it Aug 07 06:25:36 koen: Yeah - I just compiled it Aug 07 06:26:17 koen: Back to the naming - is there a logic behind the appending of integers to some libs and where can I read about it? Aug 07 06:26:18 can streamripper use tremor transparently? Aug 07 06:26:35 NAiL: Doubt it - just compiled it. Aug 07 06:26:40 so time will tell Aug 07 06:27:16 it won't fix the dep issue... but I wonder if you can set DEPENDENCIES_nslu2 = "tremor" instead of "libogg" Aug 07 06:27:37 DEPENDS_nslu2, even Aug 07 06:28:12 Nice - will try to compile Streamripper with tremor first. Aug 07 06:28:37 NAiL: Do you have an idea what the deal is with putting numbers at the end of package names? Aug 07 06:28:40 NAiL: tremor was designed to be compatible, but I don't know how that worked out Aug 07 06:28:51 ingeba: no idea Aug 07 06:29:05 koen: No, I guess we'll find out soon whether it slots in. Aug 07 06:29:09 probable being able to install multiple versions (e.g gtk1 and gtk2) Aug 07 06:29:33 Will probably have to fix the streamripper .bb to use libtremor instead of libogg Aug 07 06:29:38 Ok - I will treat it like any random renaming then and check the name. Aug 07 06:29:47 NAiL: Yes - I'm on to it Aug 07 06:30:28 if you have DEPENDS = 'libogg' and the app links against it, the shlibs code will take care of ipkg depends Aug 07 06:30:47 So: RDEPENDS="tremor"? Aug 07 06:31:04 is not necessary? Aug 07 06:31:17 ingeba: that probably won't work. I think you actually need to link against tremor Aug 07 06:31:33 NAiL: I'll do that anyway. Aug 07 06:31:54 My guess is that the tremor libs isn't named the same ass libogg Aug 07 06:31:59 s/ass/as/ Aug 07 06:32:12 It isn't Aug 07 06:46:53 NAiL: Doesn't seem to do any actual decoding/encoding of ogg at all - it is just for stream demultiplexing. Aug 07 06:47:16 oh Aug 07 06:47:22 well, I guess it doesn't matter much then Aug 07 06:47:26 I've changed it to DEPENDS= "libogg libvorbis" and RDEPENDS= "libogg0 libvorbis" Aug 07 06:47:27 D'oh Aug 07 06:47:34 did I mix up ogg and vorbis again? Aug 07 06:47:55 koen: Perhaps, but it is of no consequence for SR. Aug 07 06:48:13 Still, it looks silly with the extra "0" :-) Aug 07 06:56:56 koen: Are you sure about the naming thing - it would mean that several OE packages are broken naming-wise Aug 07 06:57:24 e.g libvorbis Aug 07 06:58:17 tremor? I use that on my zaurus for integer based decoding of ogg Aug 07 06:58:24 or.. vorbis.. :) Aug 07 06:58:28 :-) Aug 07 06:58:34 it is decoding only Aug 07 06:58:58 ingeba: how do you mean broken? Aug 07 06:58:58 The question is: Should I "fix" the other packages that refer to package "libogg" to refer to "libogg0" instead? Aug 07 06:59:06 ingeba: it only affects libs Aug 07 06:59:23 ingeba: and OE has code to autogenerate those deps Aug 07 06:59:35 tremor/libvorbis is messy Aug 07 06:59:38 Fair enough. But those packages that depends on libogg fail when I try to install them Aug 07 06:59:58 Eh... make that package in singular now: libvorbis Aug 07 07:00:00 libs shouldn't be in RDEPENDS Aug 07 07:00:12 Ok - still - same applies. Aug 07 07:00:19 Should I fix it? Aug 07 07:00:44 http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/drupal/?q=ipkgfind&pnm=libvorbis Aug 07 07:00:51 doesn't look broken to me Aug 07 07:00:59 unless someone messed with that package Aug 07 07:01:28 Ok - I will try again. Probably my mistake somewhere Aug 07 07:02:09 is there an fpu in the slug? Aug 07 07:02:18 nope Aug 07 07:02:34 then libvorbis as such isnt much fun :) Aug 07 07:03:02 kolla: No, it isn't. But in streamripper it is not used for decoding - just for demultiplexing. Aug 07 07:03:21 aha Aug 07 07:03:28 demuxing shouldn't floats Aug 07 07:03:40 Hope not :-) Aug 07 07:03:43 unless you are demuxing an analog signal ;) Aug 07 07:05:24 koen: What defines "libs" when it comes to rdepends. Some RDEPENDS on ncurses and openssl - should one? Aug 07 07:05:46 ... as long as one only access the lib parts Aug 07 07:06:23 in theory one shouldn't Aug 07 07:06:56 in practise the naming rule only kicks in if you only have one lib in the package, or LEAD_SONAME defined Aug 07 07:06:56 koen: Thanks :-) Aug 07 07:07:26 which is why you have libvorbis instead of libvorbis1 Aug 07 07:08:12 What is LEAD_SONAME ? Aug 07 07:08:56 the leading .so name to use for naming the package Aug 07 07:09:31 Ah - ok - I see. Aug 07 07:09:34 so building foobar.tgz can make libsomethingelse1.ipk Aug 07 07:18:15 I still get the dependency failure on libogg from streamripper even though the control file does not refer to it. Will ipkg look elsewhere too for dependencies, like the ipkg feed? Aug 07 08:14:26 ipkg install openslu-native: Aug 07 08:14:27 [snip] Aug 07 08:14:29 ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for openslug-native: Aug 07 08:14:30 diffstat Aug 07 08:15:21 isn't it in the feed? Aug 07 08:16:33 Nope Aug 07 08:16:44 And the perl module names are all wrong Aug 07 08:21:34 (disregard the perl module claim - they are only recommendations) Aug 07 08:26:52 NAiL: diffstat builds nicely, but is not in oe-symlinks Aug 07 08:27:40 hang on, trying to fix other stuff, will get back to you :) Aug 07 08:48:57 Hmmm... are we serious about this perl-modules thingy. Seems like installing gcc/glibc with each include file in its own IPKG. Aug 07 08:59:33 Godverdomme! It takes 1 hour and 20 minutes just to install perl-modules... Aug 07 08:59:59 Maybe 1 hour 5 mins on a TurboSlug.... Aug 07 09:07:33 <[cc]smart> regarding tickadj, in any case the situation seems much better now. with the original tick of 10000 left, ntpd can keep time. Aug 07 09:07:57 <[cc]smart> previously, this was not the case as drift went past 512 Aug 07 09:08:39 I do wonder whether a properly configured openntpd should be part of the default install Aug 07 09:09:04 <[cc]smart> probably this just eats too much space Aug 07 09:09:12 a whole 52KB Aug 07 09:09:16 <[cc]smart> ? Aug 07 09:09:19 <[cc]smart> nice:) Aug 07 09:09:47 <[cc]smart> then, how many slugs run in LAN only ? Aug 07 09:09:53 plus another 1.2KB for the config files - it's much more lightweight than ntpd Aug 07 09:09:56 <[cc]smart> comapred to internetted ... Aug 07 09:10:05 most LANs have an internet connection nowadays Aug 07 09:10:15 most ppl buy ADSL routers Aug 07 09:10:22 <[cc]smart> well i do. many do, but not so many do 24/7 Aug 07 09:10:31 <[cc]smart> i guess Aug 07 09:10:39 well, most ADSL routers are on 24/7 Aug 07 09:11:07 <[cc]smart> yes, but i this still doesn't make me feel that i'd know how many in general that would be Aug 07 09:11:15 <[cc]smart> compared to non adsl Aug 07 09:11:17 [cc]smart: Would it matter as long as it can adjust whenever they're on? Aug 07 09:11:18 <[cc]smart> e.g. Aug 07 09:11:38 <[cc]smart> am not sure if that would owrk out Aug 07 09:11:53 Does for me, but I don't use the daemon version. Aug 07 09:11:56 <[cc]smart> hm Aug 07 09:12:17 <[cc]smart> it probably depends on the relation between online and offline Aug 07 09:12:24 <[cc]smart> you should use the daemon though Aug 07 09:12:25 To me there is no big diff between not bein online and not getting a successful time read Aug 07 09:12:40 <[cc]smart> only the daemon can counter drift Aug 07 09:13:02 <[cc]smart> for as long as the basic drift is low, there will not be much surprise Aug 07 09:13:04 I think most people who need NAS will have a proper LAN Aug 07 09:13:16 I mean, why have an NSLU2 connected to 1 computer Aug 07 09:13:22 <[cc]smart> maybe, maybe prolly. don't feel i can tell. Aug 07 09:13:24 I hear this - to me I'm happy if I have the correct time +-5 secs Aug 07 09:13:45 <[cc]smart> ah, you may have a big LAN without internet too. Aug 07 09:14:39 NAiL: Compiled diffstat and installed manually - looks good so far. Aug 07 09:15:36 <[cc]smart> they are busy discussing if i should be banned prolly :) Aug 07 09:17:55 Maybe a silly question: The drift adjustment - why would that be better than just fetching the correct time? seems like an awful amount of bother. Aug 07 09:19:39 <[cc]smart> ingeba: ntpd verifies the difference in between your local clock and the remote NTP. Aug 07 09:20:04 That I understand, but why do that? Aug 07 09:20:06 <[cc]smart> if it comes to believe that remote is a better quality time source than local, it will be able to get an average error of your lcoal clock Aug 07 09:20:42 <[cc]smart> it saves this value in the drift file and applies a constant tuning on your local clock to make it work as precise as it can make it Aug 07 09:20:44 As to get a more precise local clock all the time rather than updating it every hour. Aug 07 09:20:50 <[cc]smart> so it will keep correct time for way longer Aug 07 09:21:00 <[cc]smart> because you avoid the jump Aug 07 09:21:20 <[cc]smart> and once you loose connection it will still be allright after more time than without drift correction Aug 07 09:21:36 That's pretty much how I saw it. Aug 07 09:21:39 <[cc]smart> once you decide for ntp daemon though, you must stop using the periodic ntpdate update Aug 07 09:21:46 Of course. Aug 07 09:21:57 Does it have to recide in memory at all times? Aug 07 09:21:58 <[cc]smart> then you know why it's expected to be better Aug 07 09:22:06 <[cc]smart> it will, yes Aug 07 09:22:33 <[cc]smart> so why were you in doubt about using ntpd ? Aug 07 09:22:40 Ok. I can live with a jump of ~1-2 sec every hour in return for 50K RAM Aug 07 09:22:52 <[cc]smart> when you got 64 M ? Aug 07 09:22:54 32 Aug 07 09:22:55 <[cc]smart> ah 32 Aug 07 09:22:59 <[cc]smart> yes :) Aug 07 09:23:25 If it is just cake glazing, I will not do it Aug 07 09:23:34 And to me ntpd is. Aug 07 09:23:57 <[cc]smart> hm, if it's really only that few space, spawining a shell and ntpdate might be more roesource consuming :) Aug 07 09:24:04 If I could have ntpd on my cell phone, on the other hand.... Aug 07 09:25:44 <[cc]smart> jumps in time can give you a horror story to debug if you have apps that use timestamps e.g. to verify change Aug 07 09:25:45 Yes - maybe. BB (sh) is in memory anyway and so in cron, so there is the client plus instance data for sh + disk access Aug 07 09:26:13 1-2 seconds every hour doesn't sound bad Aug 07 09:26:16 [cc]smart: You have given me incentive to check how big my jumps really are. Aug 07 09:26:39 Can you verify the in-memory-size of ntpd? Aug 07 09:26:43 <[cc]smart> 1-2 secs an hour sound like 24 to 48 secs a day to me Aug 07 09:26:45 but 4 minutes a week puts it into perspective Aug 07 09:27:19 only 1-2 seconds an hour? Is that with tickadj 10101? Aug 07 09:27:24 <[cc]smart> er, maybe top should give an idea Aug 07 09:27:33 NAiL - this is with the new kernel patch I think Aug 07 09:27:41 ah Aug 07 09:27:54 openntpd is smaller than ntpd ;) Aug 07 09:27:58 it apparently fixes the problem to the extent that ntpd can control the time Aug 07 09:28:12 [cc]smart: Yes... probby... can you run it? Aug 07 09:28:16 openntpd takes 1/4th of the mem of ntpd IIRC Aug 07 09:28:23 <[cc]smart> yes, but i use normal ntpd Aug 07 09:28:26 I suggested (in a vague way) that OpenNTPD be installed as part of the base system Aug 07 09:28:30 <[cc]smart> thought you'd suggest a different one Aug 07 09:28:46 don't use ntpd - really openntpd is much better Aug 07 09:29:03 blaster8: there are pros and cons of both Aug 07 09:29:13 openntpd handles large drift rather badly Aug 07 09:29:25 whereas ntpd takes much more memory Aug 07 09:29:44 true, but large drift should be fixed, not glossed over by adding a network time server Aug 07 09:30:00 which is fortunately what jbowler was able to do Aug 07 09:30:15 yes Aug 07 09:30:24 <[cc]smart> i don't know. ntp is a critical thing wrt to good netizenship behaviour vs bad one, since you are using public servers. there have been a lot of trouble out there because of misbehaving ntp clients. i do know that standard ntpd folks care a lot about this and tra to REALLY be nice to those servers and do the right thing. since i'm not scarce on RAM yet, i'll honor that. Aug 07 09:31:31 I don't think openntpd folks thinks any different. Aug 07 09:31:32 <[cc]smart> i think it was linksys even who managed to bring doen a whole set for ntp servers for time to come because of shipping a broken ntpd in one of their appliances. Aug 07 09:31:40 <[cc]smart> but i'm not really sure if it was linksys or another one Aug 07 09:31:53 probably Linksys Aug 07 09:32:27 <[cc]smart> the only thing i know is that MOST are not really well behaving and standard ntpd is. as i said, for as long as i'm not short of resource, i'll honor that. Aug 07 09:32:53 Basically my attitude is that I have never heard of the OpenBSD folks shipping a bad piece of software, which is more than can be said for many others Aug 07 09:33:17 <[cc]smart> true Aug 07 09:36:00 <[cc]smart> there have been times when counting beans really was worth it. 32M of RAM is like a freight ship compared to that :) Aug 07 09:37:17 total used free shared buffers Aug 07 09:37:18 Mem: 30680 24008 6672 0 8052 Aug 07 09:37:41 <[cc]smart> you you got 14M available Aug 07 09:37:42 Running samba, thttpd, openntpd, cron and openssh Aug 07 09:37:48 yes, I know Aug 07 09:38:08 (and bash, instead of bb sh) Aug 07 09:38:15 <[cc]smart> Mem: 29628K used, 1052K free, 0K shrd, 11456K buff, 8744K cached Aug 07 09:38:28 <[cc]smart> running postfix cyrus ntpd (timezone) Aug 07 09:38:44 <[cc]smart> i'd call it sufficient :) Aug 07 09:38:58 Mem: 24212K used, 6468K free, 0K shrd, 8096K buff, 8316K cached Aug 07 09:39:15 yes, it's "ok" :P Aug 07 09:41:00 heh, 32MB is plenty :) Aug 07 09:41:27 <[cc]smart> yes, thinking of that wrt54gs.... Aug 07 09:42:12 the wl-hdd only has 16MB of RAM, it doesnt take that much to stall it :) Aug 07 09:42:48 <[cc]smart> yes, there is the border Aug 07 09:43:04 <[cc]smart> 32 is a good choice Aug 07 09:43:17 software these days... bloatware :) Aug 07 09:43:24 <[cc]smart> :) Aug 07 09:43:28 * koen remembers running X + afterstep on 16MB + a little swap Aug 07 09:43:43 exactly Aug 07 09:44:34 I did full screen animation work on 16MB and even had ram left for being online :) Aug 07 09:44:57 <[cc]smart> configure with EMS memory ? :) Aug 07 09:46:58 ems? I dont remember Aug 07 09:47:09 Extended low memory. Aug 07 09:47:19 Bank switched. Aug 07 09:47:29 no idea.. PC hardware stuff? :) Aug 07 09:47:33 Yep Aug 07 09:47:44 and XMS, dos4gw and dpmi Aug 07 09:48:05 I was a happy amiga user and never had to bother with such :) Aug 07 09:48:13 Yeah - once we got 386 everything was different. Aug 07 09:48:49 with 'turbo' buttons! Aug 07 09:49:00 Yes! Turbo-buttons. Aug 07 09:49:31 remember apple jumped on the DX2 wagon though, claiming to sell double clocked 68040 machines :) Aug 07 09:49:38 I want one for my slug. Aug 07 09:50:30 the chrystal was clocked at 80MHz, but that was due to the 040 needing two ticks for every cycle to run stable at high temperatures :) Aug 07 09:50:46 ah well.. old days Aug 07 09:50:55 say i built and tested one openembedded package that was on the openslug list, how do i add it? Aug 07 09:51:09 Yet one cannot conclude that 32MB is a lot. Aug 07 09:51:10 s/was/ was not/ Aug 07 09:51:11 ingeba: you could make a button to the resistor :) Aug 07 09:51:21 Will it switch real-time? Aug 07 09:51:32 Or will it read on reboot? Aug 07 09:51:40 s/reboot/reset/ Aug 07 09:53:08 ntpd on x86 takes 1MB memory. Aug 07 09:53:47 .. or 920K. This is of course dependent on me being able to read "top" correctly Aug 07 09:54:12 Resident - shared? Aug 07 09:55:07 some will perhaps end up in swap, but 1MB?? Aug 07 09:58:07 my guess is "openembedded/packages/meta/openslug-packages.bb", right? Aug 07 09:59:36 eno: NAiL is the package master - he will know. Aug 07 10:00:40 eno: Which one are you adding? Aug 07 10:00:52 sqlite Aug 07 10:00:57 Nice! Aug 07 10:01:27 i just want to get familar with the bb packaging structure first Aug 07 10:01:49 I found it slightly confusing at first. Nice env, but underdocumented Aug 07 10:02:20 a related question is, what if i want to add some package openembedded does not have? Aug 07 10:02:22 eno: to add it to the feed packages/meta/openslug-packages.bb. To make sure people can compile it, add in conf/distro/openslug-packages.conf Aug 07 10:03:28 thx NAiL Aug 07 10:03:31 <[cc]smart> ingeba: this is what slugs top tells me for my ntpd: Aug 07 10:03:34 <[cc]smart> 1002 ntp S 424 1001 0.0 1.3 ntpd Aug 07 10:03:43 <[cc]smart> so 1.3% of memory Aug 07 10:03:49 <[cc]smart> relative to 32M Aug 07 10:04:06 Nice - so 350K? Aug 07 10:04:12 <[cc]smart> i'd think so Aug 07 10:05:26 On my 1GB Gentoo-box it is 0.4% - but I deduct the shared libs. You're using BB top? Aug 07 10:06:34 <[cc]smart> yes Aug 07 10:07:28 <[cc]smart> hmm... i *think* i could dare trying to replace that old postfix installation on that old openslug installation now Aug 07 10:07:42 Go for it! Aug 07 10:07:50 <[cc]smart> heh Aug 07 10:08:00 <[cc]smart> has served me well so far... Aug 07 10:08:09 So did yesterday's paper. Aug 07 10:08:16 <[cc]smart> :) Aug 07 10:08:29 If it ain't broke, make it. Aug 07 10:08:30 <[cc]smart> never heared that one. need to add it to my repertoire Aug 07 10:08:37 Made it up now Aug 07 10:08:38 <[cc]smart> i mean the paper Aug 07 10:08:40 Yes Aug 07 10:09:00 <[cc]smart> nice one Aug 07 10:09:03 <[cc]smart> :) Aug 07 10:09:08 thanks. Aug 07 10:09:59 <[cc]smart> do you speak german too ? Aug 07 10:10:44 <[cc]smart> there was a politician in germany with a nice comment about a previous speaker: Aug 07 10:10:56 <[cc]smart> "Dieser Hammer, das war ein Hammer ohne Stil und ohne Kopf." Aug 07 10:10:57 Nope - read some, but not good at speaking it. Aug 07 10:11:12 :-) Aug 07 10:12:05 I'll try to remember it, but I'm terrible at it. Aug 07 10:12:53 <[cc]smart> Roughly means: "This hammer (meaning a rough speech too in german), was one without grip/style ( "stil" and "stiehl" two words, same sound) and without head (meaning both the brains container and the hammerhead). Aug 07 10:13:00 Got it Aug 07 10:14:28 You think it came to him on the spot or did he come up with it while on the can and just waited for the right moment? Aug 07 10:14:39 <[cc]smart> dunno Aug 07 10:14:51 <[cc]smart> but another one was instant for sure Aug 07 10:14:52 Nice anyhow. Aug 07 10:15:30 <[cc]smart> "Kohl" is the surname of a german ex politician... maybe you heard it, he counts himself as the one who made german reunion possible Aug 07 10:15:38 <[cc]smart> well i think different on that point :) Aug 07 10:15:45 fancy that... german humour.. what's next? debian stable release? apple to switch to intel? huh? oh wait... Aug 07 10:15:51 <[cc]smart> anyways, another guy on stage that: Aug 07 10:16:09 <[cc]smart> "Kohl verursacht Bl?hungen und treibt schwarze D?mpfe ins Gehirn." Aug 07 10:16:17 <[cc]smart> I won't trablate that one. :) Aug 07 10:16:28 <[cc]smart> s/trablate/tanslate/ Aug 07 10:16:41 what encoding are you using? your umlauts didnt come through Aug 07 10:16:51 <[cc]smart> er dunno Aug 07 10:16:57 The questionmarks are a with dots or u with dots? Aug 07 10:17:00 <[cc]smart> ? = ae Aug 07 10:17:05 <[cc]smart> for me ? Aug 07 10:17:26 <[cc]smart> with dots Aug 07 10:17:28 Blähungen? Aug 07 10:17:34 Gonna check out Babelfish for this one. Aug 07 10:17:55 <[cc]smart> yes, umlauts Aug 07 10:18:05 <[cc]smart> insert ae maybe behind Bl Aug 07 10:18:14 un was ist ein "blähung"? Aug 07 10:18:15 und Aug 07 10:18:24 <[cc]smart> er :9 Aug 07 10:18:33 "Kohl causes blowing and drives black steams in the brain" :-) Aug 07 10:18:37 <[cc]smart> eat a kilo of beans and find out Aug 07 10:18:38 oh Aug 07 10:18:59 I get it Aug 07 10:19:48 hitler ist nicht tot, er is nach egypten gefahren, im nilen gefallen und nasser geworden Aug 07 10:19:53 same style :) Aug 07 10:19:57 <[cc]smart> :) Aug 07 10:20:22 <[cc]smart> should use capitals on H and N in the case, makes it more understandable :) Aug 07 10:20:33 <[cc]smart> with the names Aug 07 10:21:29 yeah well.. Aug 07 10:21:37 a big E too Aug 07 10:21:47 and two Ns Aug 07 10:21:56 <[cc]smart> correct Aug 07 10:22:20 and "ist" in stead of "is" Aug 07 10:22:22 <[cc]smart> but for 100% correctnes you'd have to come up with an umlaut for egypt and rplace im nilen with in den Nil Aug 07 10:22:37 <[cc]smart> oh yes, wnt by as a typo Aug 07 10:22:42 ah yes.. Ägypt Aug 07 10:22:50 <[cc]smart> ?gypten Aug 07 10:23:09 <[cc]smart> but actually. whn learning foreign languages, english is the better choice prolly Aug 07 10:23:18 I suck at german Aug 07 10:23:19 <[cc]smart> ok, the french might think different on that point :9 Aug 07 10:23:31 I've tried learning it, but I've failed miserably :P Aug 07 10:23:38 If I recall correctly, the word is not "tot" but "gestorben" or something (can't for the life of me come up with perfect past of strong German verbs). It makes it more rythmic. Aug 07 10:23:38 <[cc]smart> so did i :) Aug 07 10:23:46 english is messy, but very simple structure Aug 07 10:24:08 agreed Aug 07 10:24:10 Almost, but not entirely like me. I'm messy, but also completely unstructured Aug 07 10:24:11 ingeba: in order to be dead, you have to die :) Aug 07 10:24:35 That I didn't get Kolla Aug 07 10:24:42 <[cc]smart> ingeba: depends, i'd say most often you can use both. it's adifferent construct you might emphasize on the process with "gestorben" or on the fact "tot". Aug 07 10:25:08 This is not a semantic thing - it is poetic. Aug 07 10:25:24 ingeba: tot means dead, gestorben means "died" as in "has died" Aug 07 10:25:30 <[cc]smart> dunno, think death is not so ppoetic. didn't try myself though Aug 07 10:25:31 I know Aug 07 10:25:53 ofcourse there are several ways to die.. :) Aug 07 10:26:03 <[cc]smart> you mean nero like Aug 07 10:26:04 umgebracht :) Aug 07 10:26:13 Ok, not poetic then - *rythmic* Aug 07 10:26:20 <[cc]smart> oh Aug 07 10:26:41 <[cc]smart> how many german songs of international reputation are there ? Aug 07 10:26:55 99 Luftballons Aug 07 10:26:59 hehe Aug 07 10:27:08 -> 99 red balloons Aug 07 10:27:42 there are probably a couple of eurovision song contest songs :) Aug 07 10:27:42 <[cc]smart> it seems to a some kind of melancholic/beating sth. mixture german seems to fit. but overall.... Aug 07 10:27:58 <[cc]smart> like french techno Aug 07 10:28:04 <[cc]smart> unbelievable :) Aug 07 10:28:15 [cc]smart: German techno is pretty good though Aug 07 10:28:19 ofcourse there was also falco :) Aug 07 10:28:23 <[cc]smart> hey, we invented it Aug 07 10:28:25 Austrian Aug 07 10:28:31 Like Hitler Aug 07 10:28:36 wiener blut Aug 07 10:28:48 <[cc]smart> germany whad to be the inventor of technos since you don't need singers Aug 07 10:28:58 plenty of german artists Aug 07 10:29:05 <[cc]smart> the french just got that point wrongf Aug 07 10:29:06 Who invented techno in Germany? Aug 07 10:29:11 <[cc]smart> Frankfurt Aug 07 10:29:18 <[cc]smart> airport disco Aug 07 10:29:36 Cocoon Club? Aug 07 10:29:40 well, why dont we mention kraftwerk? :) Aug 07 10:29:41 <[cc]smart> "Dorian Gray" Aug 07 10:29:48 Yeah, but it is not really techno Aug 07 10:29:50 <[cc]smart> kraftwerk is before that actually Aug 07 10:29:54 kraftwerk rocks ;) Aug 07 10:29:59 <[cc]smart> it does Aug 07 10:29:59 wel, what is techno these days.. Aug 07 10:30:05 <[cc]smart> it's gone Aug 07 10:30:07 <[cc]smart> more or less Aug 07 10:30:08 Nooooooo Aug 07 10:30:12 you have old 70ies electronic music from germany :) Aug 07 10:30:22 what's his name again... Aug 07 10:30:34 Tangerine Dream Aug 07 10:30:39 Klaus Shultze Aug 07 10:30:47 <[cc]smart> er... for the oldest i could think of this would be kraftwerk prolly Aug 07 10:30:48 ah yes Aug 07 10:31:00 Now there is Chris Liebing Aug 07 10:31:12 And Richie Hawtin emigrated in 92 Aug 07 10:31:24 Sven Väth Aug 07 10:31:30 hehe.. michael kretu, sandra :P Aug 07 10:31:34 <[cc]smart> yeah, sven vaeth is an original one Aug 07 10:31:41 aka enigma Aug 07 10:31:42 He's still at it. Amazing Aug 07 10:32:01 Kretu - the kid producer .... *ouch* Aug 07 10:32:04 modern talking, hehe Aug 07 10:32:16 rotfl Aug 07 10:32:24 hm, wasnt Snap german too? Aug 07 10:32:48 Snap? Wasn't that like... danish or something? Aug 07 10:32:49 Sven Wittekind is German... Aug 07 10:33:06 <[cc]smart> heh, if i put i take it from the right corner of my brain, i'd best forget about snap :) Aug 07 10:33:14 NAiL: danish? nah Aug 07 10:33:15 <[cc]smart> but i don't know for sure Aug 07 10:33:49 <[cc]smart> actually, you make me take a sven vaeth disc out this evening... Aug 07 10:33:55 <[cc]smart> nice idea Aug 07 10:33:59 it's on wikipedia Aug 07 10:34:02 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snap_(music) Aug 07 10:34:02 Listened to one yesterday Aug 07 10:34:04 german Aug 07 10:34:14 "Sound of the third season" (with Hawtin) Aug 07 10:34:59 but german lyrics.. Aug 07 10:35:43 nena, falco.. rammstein.. what else Aug 07 10:35:44 <[cc]smart> exactly "Rhythm is a dancer." stayed for don't know how long... well it was nice for a while but it was just a tad too slimey to survive for long enough. Aug 07 10:36:13 That goes for most of the 80s Aug 07 10:36:17 aargh Aug 07 10:36:24 now that tune is stuck in my head Aug 07 10:36:31 hehe Aug 07 10:36:31 ....or it was in '91 that one Aug 07 10:36:34 <[cc]smart> nonono, real techno. Aug 07 10:36:50 <[cc]smart> ok, rotterdam prolly were the first to take it to the next level Aug 07 10:37:03 <[cc]smart> don't know for sure Aug 07 10:37:09 That was too extreme- Gabber requires too much amphetamines Aug 07 10:37:15 <[cc]smart> but netherlands got the idea quickly and evolved well Aug 07 10:37:16 :) Aug 07 10:37:22 :-) Aug 07 10:37:40 In general "The Netherlands has evolved well" Aug 07 10:37:59 <[cc]smart> and now we see uk on the top of the heap. well bad in politics well on music :) Aug 07 10:38:18 Stil believe that Detroit fostered modern techno Aug 07 10:38:32 <[cc]smart> yes, meaning they made it too simple Aug 07 10:38:35 netherlands is kinda weird.. I went to a milk bar, quite early in the morning, way outside amsterdam... and they were playing gabber style techno quite loud, even though the only person working there was an elderly lady Aug 07 10:38:44 <[cc]smart> they really just distilled the beats Aug 07 10:38:55 <[cc]smart> lol Aug 07 10:39:07 <[cc]smart> and that lady really rocked it on dope :) Aug 07 10:39:08 so what is techno and whar is house? :) Aug 07 10:39:11 heh Aug 07 10:39:20 Scooter is German too. Aug 07 10:39:21 <[cc]smart> phew Aug 07 10:39:24 <[cc]smart> scooter Aug 07 10:39:26 <[cc]smart> heh Aug 07 10:39:30 <[cc]smart> crazy Aug 07 10:39:37 <[cc]smart> hose vs techno Aug 07 10:39:45 <[cc]smart> need to ask the pro on that Aug 07 10:39:46 I disagree - lots of nice stuff in old Mills, Hawtin, Craig. Aug 07 10:39:47 <[cc]smart> mom Aug 07 10:40:12 House has singing (usually), techno rarely Aug 07 10:40:14 <[cc]smart> pro is eating currently Aug 07 10:40:16 to quote Atari teenage riot: "it's all noise" Aug 07 10:40:18 House is more melodic Aug 07 10:40:34 techno is much more monotone Aug 07 10:40:55 <[cc]smart> yes, but it adds elements to push you Aug 07 10:40:55 hmm Aug 07 10:40:58 Different drums Aug 07 10:41:07 House use compressed drums, techno is harder Aug 07 10:41:11 * NAiL is reminded of the blade soundtrack Aug 07 10:41:22 http://www.di.fm/edmguide/music.swf Aug 07 10:41:23 :) Aug 07 10:41:27 * ingeba tries very hard to forget Blade Aug 07 10:41:39 <[cc]smart> loudspeakers equipeed with horns prove the best for techno in my opinion Aug 07 10:41:45 disco never died, it went underground and became house Aug 07 10:41:48 Though the opening scene is awesome Aug 07 10:41:53 <[cc]smart> and that shows a bit of the style Aug 07 10:42:03 whoo Aug 07 10:42:17 techno is to house what punk is to disco? :) Aug 07 10:42:26 <[cc]smart> :) Aug 07 10:42:27 Spectators equipped with ear plugs prove the best for techno in my opinion. Aug 07 10:42:35 <[cc]smart> ? Aug 07 10:42:37 <[cc]smart> nah Aug 07 10:42:40 <[cc]smart> :) Aug 07 10:42:54 <[cc]smart> well ok, you still anjoy the subsonics Aug 07 10:42:58 <[cc]smart> :) Aug 07 10:43:00 but try that url I gave, if you have flash-player :) Aug 07 10:43:02 Sorry - personal - don't hear very well anymore. Aug 07 10:43:14 <[cc]smart> overdose ? Aug 07 10:43:57 Well, too many cheerful nights in concrete basements Aug 07 10:44:05 kolla: Nice one! Aug 07 10:44:22 I like that link. Dunno if it's accurate though ;) Aug 07 10:44:48 well, who can tell Aug 07 10:45:13 it's music, not .. lego :) Aug 07 10:45:47 It sort of got out of hand at some point and the labels stopped carrying meaning and started being only about identiry Aug 07 10:47:11 "I'm currently heavily into hardstyle, minimalist snugglecore. So, you just f*ck off with your pathetic DnB" Aug 07 10:47:18 <[cc]smart> :) Aug 07 10:47:27 heheehe Aug 07 10:48:44 Gonna heat up some remains of a flightless bird. I'll be to-and-from Aug 07 10:49:07 penguin stew? Aug 07 10:49:12 <[cc]smart> hrhr Aug 07 10:49:14 notised that loveparade in berlin was cancelled this year Aug 07 10:49:25 "Cancelled due to lack of love" Aug 07 10:49:29 hehehe Aug 07 10:49:44 <[cc]smart> it's gone rather commercial and too big besides the issues with the city now Aug 07 10:50:20 I was there in 2002 or something Aug 07 10:50:31 <[cc]smart> how was the experience ? Aug 07 10:50:48 oh, we had a great time Aug 07 10:50:58 it was the year there was some fire in the subway Aug 07 10:51:09 <[cc]smart> .) Aug 07 10:51:12 <[cc]smart> that related ? Aug 07 10:51:25 Haven't been in Berlin since the wall but I guess with "gay pride" and all the other parades there is perhaps no need for Love Parade need anymore? Aug 07 10:51:31 nah.. must have been 2000 Aug 07 10:52:07 [cc]smart: not related, but it happened the same day, and had a certain effect on how people moved, so.. Aug 07 10:52:20 sheesh.. 5 years ago already Aug 07 10:52:32 <[cc]smart> yeah. time goes by Aug 07 10:53:24 We had "Love Parade" in Oslo last weekend... A bunch of rather cold 14yo in fluffy boots and tiny tops. Aug 07 10:53:36 hehee Aug 07 10:53:39 <[cc]smart> the question i'm always asking myself is, if you care about time going by, may the result be that you tend to use better or worse ? Aug 07 10:53:45 ingeba-toandfrom: aha, enda en nordmann Aug 07 10:54:03 <[cc]smart> ingeba: lol Aug 07 10:54:26 it's been a chilly summer :P Aug 07 10:54:35 They did their best. Also, the rest of us had a number of nice gigs later in the evening. Aug 07 10:54:38 I'm just happy I went on holidays when I did Aug 07 10:54:43 Summer? Aug 07 10:54:50 <[cc]smart> yes, and global warming may mean for europe ice age coming back Aug 07 10:55:04 Well, was nice for a few weeks, when I was in Spain enjoying their rain. Aug 07 10:55:09 more like constant rain season Aug 07 10:55:25 Still, after having lived in Amsterdam, Oslo is a dry & sunny place. Aug 07 10:55:35 :) Aug 07 10:55:59 <[cc]smart> so what do the british do when they don't have a weather for themselves any more ? Aug 07 10:56:00 I'm in stockholm atm.. not exactly hot here either Aug 07 10:56:26 kolla: It's probably better than home, unfortunately Aug 07 10:56:27 <[cc]smart> Zurich, cloudy and rain sprouts Aug 07 10:56:42 NAiL: heard rumours about heavy rain? :) Aug 07 10:56:46 very heavy Aug 07 10:56:59 not far from here there was a hailstorm Aug 07 10:56:59 going back tonight.. train leaves 23:57 Aug 07 10:57:09 back in trondheim 11:55 tomorrow :PO Aug 07 10:57:11 :P Aug 07 10:57:17 <[cc]smart> trondheim Aug 07 10:57:32 ~weather enva Aug 07 10:57:37 duh Aug 07 10:57:58 !weather enva Aug 07 10:57:59 ? Aug 07 10:58:00 <[cc]smart> a city with big history Aug 07 10:58:07 No jbot in #openslug ? Aug 07 10:58:22 <[cc]smart> many pages to fill Aug 07 10:58:31 <[cc]smart> there should be Aug 07 10:58:31 no, no jbot here Aug 07 10:58:34 yes :D Aug 07 10:58:37 <[cc]smart> no ? Aug 07 10:58:41 <[cc]smart> thought there was Aug 07 10:58:51 do you see any ? ;) Aug 07 10:58:55 <[cc]smart> no Aug 07 10:59:02 <[cc]smart> was there ? Aug 07 10:59:23 not that I know Aug 07 10:59:39 big history, trondheim? oh well Aug 07 10:59:47 I pity the poor bastards that are going to play football in 5 minutes Aug 07 11:00:13 NAiL: Why? With their income they better put up with it. Aug 07 11:00:17 hehehe Aug 07 11:00:18 yeah Aug 07 11:00:33 pun time.. poor soccers Aug 07 11:00:47 <[cc]smart> they'll cough out thosands of euros :) Aug 07 11:02:26 If God intended Norwegians to play soccer, he would have made us better at it. A bit like Polish soul music. Aug 07 11:02:35 <[cc]smart> he Aug 07 11:03:01 <[cc]smart> you know about god and the swiss :) Aug 07 11:03:24 Strange thing about soul music. Poles, who very much has sould, suck at it, while Americans, who tend not to have souls, are very good at it. Go figure. Aug 07 11:03:25 <[cc]smart> god gave the swiss the alps, and the swiss asked, what the heck shall i do with that rocks ? Aug 07 11:03:50 <[cc]smart> so he gave him the grass and formed tha alms, and the swiss asked, now what the heck shall i do with that grass ? Aug 07 11:03:51 build tunnels? :) Aug 07 11:04:00 <[cc]smart> so he gave em the cows and the swiss was happy Aug 07 11:04:29 <[cc]smart> a week later god came back to see how it went. he found he did well and asked the swiss for a cup of milk. Aug 07 11:04:34 <[cc]smart> "so that's five franks" Aug 07 11:04:38 <[cc]smart> :) Aug 07 11:04:51 true (quarter swiss) Aug 07 11:05:15 so, the funny bit was.. Aug 07 11:05:23 asking god for money? Aug 07 11:05:34 <[cc]smart> yea, roughly that :) Aug 07 11:05:46 <[cc]smart> asking for money for everything Aug 07 11:05:59 right Aug 07 11:06:13 the swiss are also known for their sense of humour (I thought it was funny) Aug 07 11:06:16 Very Dutch too. Aug 07 11:07:20 well, watching german tourists asking for the way in Swiss is funny.. the swiss may very well point them in the oppsite direction :) Aug 07 11:07:29 <[cc]smart> heh Aug 07 11:07:42 <[cc]smart> the big canton in the north Aug 07 11:07:44 <[cc]smart> that is Aug 07 11:08:00 germany? :) Aug 07 11:08:05 <[cc]smart> yea Aug 07 11:08:08 hehe Aug 07 11:08:49 <[cc]smart> you know what switzerland and swiss german is all about ? it's written on our cars: CH Aug 07 11:08:53 <[cc]smart> :) Aug 07 11:09:40 how you pronounce ch? Aug 07 11:09:55 <[cc]smart> exactly that's the point. it's swiss german Aug 07 11:10:05 chwitzerland Aug 07 11:10:16 <[cc]smart> chuchichaeschtli Aug 07 11:11:02 <[cc]smart> ah enough of that Aug 07 11:11:28 spent 10 days travelling in switzerland once Aug 07 11:11:36 creative railway system Aug 07 11:11:58 <[cc]smart> "creatice" ? the best. period. =) Aug 07 11:12:06 no doubt :) Aug 07 11:12:37 norwegian railway has lots to learn about making trains go up and down as well as through mountains :) Aug 07 11:12:59 We're good at making them go through though ;) Aug 07 11:13:20 NAiL: I'd say the swiss are better :) Aug 07 11:13:23 <[cc]smart> digging holes and making bunkers... Aug 07 11:13:37 <[cc]smart> you'll find no more concrete per house in the world anywhere else :) Aug 07 11:14:02 We hardly have any railways to speak of in Norway, but we are very good at making nice tunnels to small islands where nobody lives. Aug 07 11:14:30 <[cc]smart> heared, there was some specific one opened recently... ? Aug 07 11:14:43 <[cc]smart> like some world record set for distance of the bridge or sth... Aug 07 11:15:07 yeah, once the bridge or tunnel is ready, the last habitants leave the island :) Aug 07 11:15:10 So in 20 years time, when people ask "what did you do with all that oil money", we can answer "Turning the most beautiful parts of our country into Swiss cheese". Aug 07 11:15:17 <[cc]smart> kolla: lol Aug 07 11:15:29 <[cc]smart> lol again Aug 07 11:16:02 kolla: No wonder - would _you_ live on these islands? Aug 07 11:16:10 not so many tunnels to islands though, the tunnels are mostly buildt through the mountains at the west coast Aug 07 11:16:12 <[cc]smart> that's the way to mock us up. say best cheese is from holland and best chocolate from belgium and you'll see yourself surrended by heavily armored swiss :) Aug 07 11:16:24 ingeba-toandfrom: nice .. kiting conditions? :) Aug 07 11:16:46 Yes - and you learn the concept of horizontal rain very soon Aug 07 11:16:51 <[cc]smart> := Aug 07 11:17:12 <[cc]smart> never trust an umbrella :) Aug 07 11:17:21 "heavily armored swiss" - what _is_ that? Aug 07 11:17:23 ingeba-toandfrom: well, my family is from an island :) Aug 07 11:17:42 <[cc]smart> ingeba: ok, see your point Aug 07 11:17:43 ingeba-toandfrom: visit the pope and find out :) Aug 07 11:17:52 Yeah, me to. Aug 07 11:17:59 <[cc]smart> would more be like, many and all of them armored Aug 07 11:18:00 Yes - nice outfits. Aug 07 11:18:07 hehe Aug 07 11:18:30 <[cc]smart> llightly Aug 07 11:19:26 Well, we're not known for our millitary power since ...hmmm... about 1000 years ago. And we were probably not half as well dress as the Vatican guards. Aug 07 11:19:47 the *Swiss* vatican guard? Aug 07 11:19:56 Yes Aug 07 11:19:57 hm, I try to find the name of that station at the northside openning of one of the tunnels that go through the alps south to italian swiss.. could it be Calmot? Aug 07 11:21:24 <[cc]smart> er, no clue :) Aug 07 11:21:49 I believe our (the Norwegians) worst weapon - our terrible legacy to the world - is awful (and expensive) food. In alliance with the UK we could become invincible. Aug 07 11:22:06 :)) Aug 07 11:22:26 awful food? smalahove? Aug 07 11:22:29 "I would like some ham, please" - "Here you are, Sir" - *laughs* Aug 07 11:23:09 NAiL: Norwegian beef, ham, chicken, cheese.... Aug 07 11:23:42 It might be safe to eat, but it tastes nothing (except for the beef, which has a slight taste of milk) Aug 07 11:24:18 ... and pizza :-D Aug 07 11:24:39 <[cc]smart> just read the techno page on wikipedia... they screw it Aug 07 11:24:41 <[cc]smart> :) Aug 07 11:25:13 well, to me "techno" is just as defined as "pop" Aug 07 11:25:20 ie not defined at all Aug 07 11:25:38 [cc]smart: Iow. they agree with me :-) Aug 07 11:25:42 anything with a drum machine Aug 07 11:25:43 hehe Aug 07 11:26:42 [cc]smart: Don't worry - if you look up "gun powder" they probably say it is an American invention as well Aug 07 11:28:01 <[cc]smart> they even come to a twist as if techno would be a subsection of house Aug 07 11:28:12 <[cc]smart> now thats irritating Aug 07 11:29:41 I like the list of American techno artists followed by "certain musicians in the UK, Belgium and Germany." Aug 07 11:29:45 :-D Aug 07 11:30:25 <[cc]smart> just was about to cut and paste that same section :) Aug 07 11:31:17 Well, you Germans have to swallow your pride when the Americans take over. We don't have any so that's less of a problem for us. Aug 07 11:31:17 and norway ofcourse :) Aug 07 11:32:28 Like whom? Can't recall a single Norwegian techno artist. Some nice ambient (Biosphere) and some house, but techno....hmmm Aug 07 11:32:53 really Aug 07 11:33:06 biosphere, aka bleep.. Aug 07 11:33:12 did techno earlier, as bleep :) Aug 07 11:33:21 Really??? Aug 07 11:33:29 That must be a loooong time ago. Aug 07 11:33:35 then there's mental overdrive, aka siamese.. Aug 07 11:33:51 superskill :) Aug 07 11:33:51 Yeah, but MO doesn't fit my idea of techni. Aug 07 11:33:54 :-) Aug 07 11:34:18 well, as siamese it was lots harder Aug 07 11:35:08 siamese? Aug 07 11:36:10 a name he used some times, iirc Aug 07 11:36:29 <[cc]smart> just had to go down and verify some cds Aug 07 11:36:37 <[cc]smart> mayday compilation 3 is of 1993 Aug 07 11:36:55 What's on it? Aug 07 11:36:57 <[cc]smart> at the time of mayday techno was already set Aug 07 11:37:05 <[cc]smart> so the first was 1990 Aug 07 11:37:06 (got carried away by Wikipedia) Aug 07 11:37:29 anyways, I have the old "XS to the Ravezone" and "Nova Norwegia" compilations.. plenty of norwegian techno from early 90ies :) Aug 07 11:38:03 I have them too. Wouldn't call them techno, though Aug 07 11:38:09 nemmelig hemmlig and the masters of møh Aug 07 11:38:22 temmelig hemmelig, wasn't it? Aug 07 11:38:31 or do I remember incorrectly? Aug 07 11:38:42 maybe, I dont remeber :) Aug 07 11:38:56 Nice names - liked "Mind over MIDI" Aug 07 11:39:03 I rememeber the producers changed their name for the occation to "bastards of bæh" :) Aug 07 11:39:05 <[cc]smart> 1988 they say they set the word "techno" in uk that is Aug 07 11:39:07 "Masters of Møh" is awesome too Aug 07 11:39:59 <[cc]smart> from mayday 2 to 3 years back, that could match Aug 07 11:40:19 ingeba-toandfrom: what about that "Tromsø Techno 1994" CD? Also not techno? :) Aug 07 11:40:26 [cc]smart: How is it to listen to these albums? Aug 07 11:40:36 kolla: Probably not, though I see I'm loosing ground here. Aug 07 11:40:38 tromsdalen funk massive.. hehe Aug 07 11:40:42 :-D Aug 07 11:40:45 <[cc]smart> so the most explaining part of this article will be for me: Techno has since been retroactively defined to encompass ... Aug 07 11:40:53 <[cc]smart> :) Aug 07 11:41:17 <[cc]smart> ingeba: how should one describe ? Aug 07 11:41:43 <[cc]smart> reading over the cover i get a chill when i read "marusha" :) Aug 07 11:42:04 Hard to say. It's a conceptual thing. For most people techno can encompass any monotone music they don't like, but for me I need something more fine grained. Aug 07 11:42:44 Calling "Donna Summer" techno is like... I don't know. Aug 07 11:42:58 <[cc]smart> don't know that one Aug 07 11:43:16 :-) Aug 07 11:43:16 donna summer? hah.. stock, aitken & waterman? :) Aug 07 11:43:48 Nah, long before them - "I feel love" is according to Wikipedia a part of the "retroactivly defined" version of techno Aug 07 11:43:58 aha.. disco Aug 07 11:44:13 SAW didn't really mess up music until the mid 80's I think Aug 07 11:44:24 :) Aug 07 11:45:11 Oh, I heard one of those Rick Ashley recordings. 16yo, but he could sing (at least with some help from modern electronics). Aug 07 11:45:44 ingeba-toandfrom: and if you pitched him up, he sounded just like kylie minogue :) Aug 07 11:45:50 :-D Aug 07 11:46:00 There is now an official source release for OpenSlug-2.5-beta. Please see http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/OpenSlug/HomePage for more information and http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/OpenSlug/ReleaseNotes2x5 for the full release notes. Aug 07 11:46:17 Oh, conspiracy theory - we love it. Aug 07 11:46:26 remember they did that on bomlagadafshipoing (or how the heck they spelt it) on nrk radio Aug 07 11:46:52 kolla: No I don't remember. Pure genius! Aug 07 11:46:54 back before p3, hehe Aug 07 11:47:12 The binary release (including the feeds) are in preparation, until they have been completed it is only possible to obtain OpenSlug-2.5-beta via the source release. Aug 07 11:47:15 <[cc]smart> i'll zap thorugh this compilation and give you a title which i finf most matching Aug 07 11:48:36 <[cc]smart> heh, just got support by the pro Aug 07 11:48:43 <[cc]smart> his definition: Aug 07 11:49:09 Please do - I find some techno from 94+ to still be good (that is: not dated). Aug 07 11:49:28 <[cc]smart> calling donna summer techno is..... a sinn ;-) Aug 07 11:49:35 <[cc]smart> sin Aug 07 11:49:35 [cc]smart: Agreed. Aug 07 11:49:56 <[cc]smart> btw: this isn't smart... it's his room-mate Aug 07 11:50:24 Some friends of mine would say that calling Donna Summer "music" is bad enough. Aug 07 11:50:45 I have no problems with her. Nice babe - some good moaning on her debut. Aug 07 11:50:50 <[cc]smart> i think they don't have a clue about what music means ;-) Aug 07 11:51:11 <[cc]smart> you mentioned "i feel love" above Aug 07 11:51:23 <[cc]smart> this one is very special... Aug 07 11:51:43 <[cc]smart> not really disco... not really soul Aug 07 11:51:47 Yes - and "Love to love you baby" - that is the big moaner. Aug 07 11:52:02 <[cc]smart> agreed :-) Aug 07 11:52:34 They don't do that anymore. Make the standard version of a song 16 minutes long Aug 07 11:52:55 .. of which 10 mins are solos with added sex sounds. Aug 07 11:53:03 :) Aug 07 11:53:12 Wonder why? Aug 07 11:53:52 <[cc]smart> so about the definition of techno... Aug 07 11:53:57 ..yes... Aug 07 11:54:04 It sucks Aug 07 11:54:06 <[cc]smart> today it's not so easy to seperate the styles Aug 07 11:54:23 is there a need to do so? Aug 07 11:54:25 Nah, but you don't need to. You can use style references to cross-point the type of music Aug 07 11:54:39 ... what ball park it's in. Aug 07 11:55:26 <[cc]smart> techno is, in it's nature, defined in well structured rythm.. straight without playing around Aug 07 11:55:44 just like waltz Aug 07 11:55:50 (how do you spell that btw) Aug 07 11:56:12 <[cc]smart> somebody in 1994 said... "technologized music for technologized people" Aug 07 11:56:16 We started out with nostalgia. I would like to commit a semi-troll by saying that music is way better today then 20-30 years ago. Better musicians, better producers, better sound.... Aug 07 11:56:57 <[cc]smart> better produced yes.. better sound... yes... but really better? ;-) Aug 07 11:57:12 I don't believe in "really". Aug 07 11:57:24 well, it's more or less the same people asfor 20-30 years ago Aug 07 11:57:34 I like some old music, but have worked quite hard to forget 90% of it. Aug 07 11:58:04 kolla: Yes - in some genres. They are better musicians, with more skilled producers, better sound etc etc Aug 07 11:58:16 <[cc]smart> listen to some of the detroit sounds 1990-1994 ... timeless... played some of these techno-tunes yesterday night. a young dj came across and asked where i bought this "hot new tune" ... i smiled ;-) Aug 07 11:58:22 s/90\%/99\/ Aug 07 11:58:57 [cc]smart: I don't have that much pre-94. I was a late bloomer music-wise. Aug 07 11:59:22 <[cc]smart> oh... Aug 07 11:59:29 My first real techno CD was "Jeff Mills live at the Liquid Room, Tokyo" Aug 07 11:59:41 <[cc]smart> do you like it? Aug 07 11:59:44 Yes! Aug 07 11:59:53 <[cc]smart> this is techno ;-) Aug 07 11:59:53 Still - he plays like shit, but with heart! Aug 07 12:00:19 I love that - I can forgive every bad mix, every half-miss scratch. Aug 07 12:01:06 I went to Awakenings in Amsterdam a month ago - lots of new talents (at least new to me) Aug 07 12:01:23 <[cc]smart> it's not only the sound thich defines techno/house/whatever it's more what you associate with it Aug 07 12:01:34 True Aug 07 12:01:57 <[cc]smart> for example... yesterday this young dj... Aug 07 12:02:51 <[cc]smart> he was very in "progressive"... means something between techno and house... Aug 07 12:03:03 ProgHouse - yes . Aug 07 12:03:09 <[cc]smart> yes Aug 07 12:03:33 Danny Howells, Sander Kleinenberg etc. Aug 07 12:04:23 Nice word - "progressive". If I could and I was into making music, I would call whatever I was doing "progressive". Aug 07 12:04:40 Who wants to play "regressive house" :-) Aug 07 12:04:48 <[cc]smart> he was open to now stuff... and had a lot of fun dancing to the breakbeats i played. Aug 07 12:05:25 Oh BB is hard to do. Do you like Zabiela, who's like my only bridge to that? Aug 07 12:05:43 Nah, he's too soft for BB-people. Aug 07 12:06:04 <[cc]smart> fatliners, or the new ali b "i see girls"... this stuff kicks the ass. Aug 07 12:06:22 Hmm.... mom... let's see what TMB has to offer. Aug 07 12:07:40 Seems like there is just as much confusion on the "breaks" label :-) Aug 07 12:07:48 <[cc]smart> in a special way these bb-songs are techno... because the are rough (fatliners) and monotone but veryyyyyyy soulfull (i see girls) Aug 07 12:08:20 <[cc]smart> bb is not anymore bb ;-) Aug 07 12:08:31 <[cc]smart> everything is on the move atm Aug 07 12:08:56 I see. If you go by themixingbowl.org and find a set you would like to suggest, please feel free. Aug 07 12:09:02 <[cc]smart> there is one big fusion... take the tune you like... take the groove you like Aug 07 12:09:27 All non-commersial, so just sets there. Aug 07 12:09:59 <[cc]smart> ok... in what manner? to be well defined techno or what i like? Aug 07 12:10:25 What you would call "breaks" and like. I have enough techno I think Aug 07 12:10:45 Hawtin is playing here in Oslo on Thursday.... Aug 07 12:11:36 <[cc]smart> i don'0t have an account there... will have a look this night Aug 07 12:12:06 <[cc]smart> go and enjoy hawtin :-) Aug 07 12:12:26 [cc]smart: Will do Aug 07 12:12:32 ... as always. Aug 07 12:12:36 C U cc Aug 07 12:12:55 <[cc]smart> cu ;-) Aug 07 12:15:11 <[cc]smart> waaaa Aug 07 12:15:17 <[cc]smart> now i get my ears filled Aug 07 12:15:40 <[cc]smart> more or less i'm getting told now that nowadays you can call evrything bb Aug 07 12:15:48 <[cc]smart> btw, me back Aug 07 12:16:13 <[cc]smart> he just suggested you should a) find a place for a gig for him, he'll come up and play so you'll see Aug 07 12:16:36 <[cc]smart> b) he'd try to offer to somehow send you a mix cd Aug 07 12:16:51 <[cc]smart> so you'd see what is in his pot Aug 07 12:17:19 <[cc]smart> great, i'll have to listen to this stuff now the rest of the day. Aug 07 12:17:51 <[cc]smart> er, not the music Aug 07 12:18:03 <[cc]smart> but to the confused definition of what it is what not Aug 07 12:18:28 <[cc]smart> nuff of that Aug 07 12:25:56 [cc]smart: A mix-CD? Cool - if you don't have quotas I have an FTP site which you can UL it to. Aug 07 12:26:47 <[cc]smart> well he's not here now, but it would prolly have to be some place that wouldn't allow for downloads :) Aug 07 12:27:08 It's my own. Noone but me can reach it. Aug 07 12:27:16 <[cc]smart> but if you mean quota wrt to volume transfer or so, no this is a faltrate business class line Aug 07 12:27:16 ingeba-toandfrom: about the perl modules, I don't really want it that way, but OE does.. so.. Aug 07 12:27:23 <[cc]smart> albeit not so much bandwidth Aug 07 12:27:45 <[cc]smart> you have my email ? Aug 07 12:27:47 DaKa2: I see - are there other ways... hmmm Aug 07 12:28:08 ingeba-toandfrom: the problem is the dependencys in other packages Aug 07 12:28:09 Nope, it looks like a reverse-mapping Aug 07 12:28:29 <[cc]smart> smartpal.de is the domain Aug 07 12:28:38 DaKa2: Oh, I see. Are there many references? Aug 07 12:28:40 <[cc]smart> use my account name in slugbug Aug 07 12:28:53 [cc]smart: Ok - I'll find it. Aug 07 12:29:39 ingeba-toandfrom: we could have a perl-modules for just openslug, with everything, and all the small packages too for the ons wanting that, but.. I think some 20 packages depend on specific perl modules Aug 07 12:30:39 When installing all the perl-modules fron nfs it takes a few minutes, but the overhead of http is a bit of a killer Aug 07 12:30:40 Hmmm.. that is too much to change. Can we make all the small pkgs placeholders that just depends on the single big one? Aug 07 12:31:04 how much space do the perl modules take? Aug 07 12:31:14 well, but that would leave people with no option to install single packages Aug 07 12:31:30 * NAiL likes being able to install single packages Aug 07 12:31:37 (and get the proper deps resolved) Aug 07 12:31:54 DaKa2: You mean single Perl modules? Aug 07 12:32:00 hm.. the ipkgs are 20mb, and in one package its around 7mb (talk about packaging overhead) Aug 07 12:32:06 ingeba-toandfrom: yep Aug 07 12:32:29 Hmmm ... it is a trade off. You only need to DL it once. Aug 07 12:32:50 It will go (guessing wildly) about 10 times faster Aug 07 12:33:12 NAiL: Would you like each file in /usr/include to be a separate ipk too? Aug 07 12:33:25 ingeba-toandfrom: no Aug 07 12:33:49 What would be nice is to have the cake and eat it too. Aug 07 12:34:32 Offering a big alternative, so if you installed the big one, you didn't have to install the small once. Aug 07 12:34:40 s/once/ones/ Aug 07 12:34:42 Isn't it possible to make perl-modules-all ? Aug 07 12:34:56 yep, but there are deps to the small ones Aug 07 12:35:01 Yeah, can do, but you will have conflicts with all the small ones Aug 07 12:35:01 and just wrap all modules up in that pkg, while leaving perl-modules to pull in the deps? Aug 07 12:35:08 ah, yes Aug 07 12:36:35 NAiL: Is it disk space you worry about or is it download time? Aug 07 12:36:54 I worry most about the diskspace Aug 07 12:37:23 NAiL: Ok - for stick users? Aug 07 12:37:41 for example. This isn't only build for openslug Aug 07 12:37:56 Hmm... yes. Aug 07 12:38:17 changing the packaging for the rest of OE is a non-option Aug 07 12:38:30 exactly Aug 07 12:39:15 Well, now I have installed it. I will add to the wiki that it takes " a while" to install perl-modules :-) Aug 07 12:39:33 well, from nfs its a couple of minutes.. :-) Aug 07 12:39:35 An hour is a nice estimate Aug 07 12:39:48 Download time is nothing Aug 07 12:39:55 I'd say that in most cases, the perl modules you need should be pulled directly by the packages requiring them. If you make perlscripts on a target device, you'll know enough to either install manually with ipkg or use CPAN ;) Aug 07 12:39:58 Install time is everything Aug 07 12:41:17 Well, since you don't want conflicts you are basically bound to use ipkg and it takes a looong time to install 850 modules. Aug 07 12:41:32 ipkg is not very fast Aug 07 12:41:51 you shouldn't need to install all 850 Aug 07 12:42:01 you should be able to only install what you need Aug 07 12:42:04 ipkg install perl-modules Aug 07 12:42:19 I've done that, thank you Aug 07 12:42:34 but why do you need to install all 850? Aug 07 12:43:19 Don't, but I have a large HD and don't want to spend time fetching the ones I need when I need them. Aug 07 12:44:39 NAiL: BTW - new Streamripper BB (just got an email about a new version, but that will have to wait). Also, the diffstat must be added to oe-symlinks for devel-native to install Aug 07 12:44:57 Also, proftpd seems ok now Aug 07 12:45:35 the groff-problem? Still there? I've made a manual install procedure for what's needed for man. Aug 07 12:46:08 oe-symlinks is dead, no longer used. Aug 07 12:46:22 and it was never used for installation... Aug 07 12:46:35 jbowler-zzz: Ok - then I will rephrase "diffstat must be added to the feed" Aug 07 12:46:55 jbowler-zzz: I though it decided which pkg's were created Aug 07 12:47:07 jbowler-zzz: Way back when. Aug 07 12:47:21 ingeba-toandfrom: will add to feed Aug 07 12:47:42 Nail: Great Aug 07 12:47:50 The packages in the feed are determined by packages/meta/{openslug,ucslugc}-packages.bb Aug 07 12:48:15 jbowler-zzz: And the packages compiled by default ? Aug 07 12:48:26 Are the same Aug 07 12:48:36 Ah, so a replacement for the symlinks? Aug 07 12:48:36 diffstat builds fine on both ucslugc and openslug Aug 07 12:48:46 I know - I built it manually. Aug 07 12:48:58 No, the symlinks never determined what gets built - only what can be built. Aug 07 12:49:13 Didn't know that. Aug 07 12:49:37 just checking it'll build locally, then I'll push diffstat Aug 07 12:49:49 It builds Aug 07 12:49:59 (In 2.6) Aug 07 12:50:05 fair nuff Aug 07 12:51:16 ok, it's in the config files. It'll be pushed to the feed shortly Aug 07 12:51:29 oh well.. my commit is taking a while Aug 07 12:51:58 You did openslug? Aug 07 12:52:02 yes Aug 07 12:52:15 not ucslugc, no Aug 07 12:52:15 I did UcSlugC Aug 07 12:52:25 ok :) Aug 07 12:52:52 I don't meddle with ucslugc. I don't have anything uc at the moment :\ Aug 07 12:53:04 Last one in does the merge. Aug 07 12:53:21 is yours in? Aug 07 12:53:54 I just did the merge Aug 07 12:54:00 ok Aug 07 12:54:11 * NAiL makes update Aug 07 12:56:35 * DaKa2 makes update, and will start looking at how to make perl-module rdepends work when there are spaces before the use/require in a .pm, and still not include the examples in the documentation inside them... Aug 07 13:03:03 ugh Aug 07 13:03:25 monotone isn't propagating between nslu2-linux and oe Aug 07 13:03:34 there's another one of them 3-way diffs Aug 07 13:03:57 heh Aug 07 13:04:00 this one was new Aug 07 13:04:01 monotone: misuse: unable to resolve file conflict 'packages/linux/linux-openzaurus_2.6.13-rc3-mm3.bb' -> 'packages/linux/linux-openzaurus_2.6.13-rc5-mm1.bb' vs. 'packages/linux/linux-openzaurus_2.6.13-rc4-mm1.bb' Aug 07 13:04:43 It doesn't allow me to do anything, infact Aug 07 13:13:14 hm.. doesn't look like I can make grep stop grepping files when it hits "__END__" Aug 07 13:13:58 I guess I have to recode this into something else than grep+sed+sort+uniq :-) Aug 07 13:14:11 heh Aug 07 13:14:26 "head"? ;) Aug 07 13:14:39 hm.. Aug 07 13:15:51 the only problem is that if I'm to recode this into something else, it's going to end up as PHP :-) Aug 07 13:26:16 ingeba: what's wromg with the other channel? Aug 07 13:26:27 hi all Aug 07 13:30:38 hanjo: Nothing - just mostly for Unslung - openslug seemed more approp. Aug 07 13:30:46 Since it is OS we're talking about Aug 07 13:31:31 I see Aug 07 13:31:59 Doing some googling. I must be missing some define in the kernel config Aug 07 13:32:18 Sorry - back and forth to the kitchen. It was debugfs? Aug 07 13:32:25 http://kerneltrap.org/node/4394 Aug 07 13:33:51 I am recompiling now with CONFIG_DEBUG_FS=y and CONFIG_USB_MON=y. Hope it works now. Aug 07 13:35:34 Yes - I think it wil Aug 07 13:46:01 With only 1511.42 BogoMIPS at my disposal here at home, it will take some time. :( Aug 07 13:47:17 You are only recompiling the kernel? Aug 07 13:48:36 yes Aug 07 13:49:09 Doesn't take that long, then. Aug 07 13:51:06 Has been compiling for 20 min. now Aug 07 13:52:07 hanjo: in case you don't know this trick... cd work/openslug-kernel*; temp/run.do_compile* - quickly re-executes the compile, which is fast for small hacks. Aug 07 13:53:03 cp temp/run.do_configure* dconf; sed -i 's/oldconfig/menuconfig/' and delete the "yes |" from the (second) menuconfig then ./dconf makes making configure changes easier. Aug 07 13:58:31 oh well, should get some sleep, will have to fix perl-module RDEPENDS later, almost close to half of half done.. :) Aug 07 13:58:42 sorry I was on the phone Aug 07 13:59:53 DaKa2: Good night Aug 07 14:00:09 jbowler: thx. for the tips. I was manualy removing the stamps Aug 07 14:07:31 do we have something like: ipkg -force-reinstall install openslug-kernel, that will reinstall all kernel related packages? Aug 07 14:08:49 No - bump the PR (this will change the PR of all the kernel modules). Aug 07 14:09:49 oh. That's a good idea :) Aug 07 14:12:07 hmmm. debugfs still not working **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Aug 07 17:30:53 2005 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Aug 07 18:12:11 2005 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Aug 07 23:59:56 2005