**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Aug 08 23:59:57 2005 Aug 09 01:00:48 what options does addgroup (tinylogin) support? Aug 09 01:04:36 ah.. never used the evil powers of nickserv before :) Aug 09 01:07:12 good morning all Aug 09 01:07:37 morning Aug 09 01:08:46 hm, bash-style substitions inside variables doesnt work in bb-files? Aug 09 01:08:54 like... S=${WORKDIR}/${P/-node/} Aug 09 01:08:58 for instance Aug 09 01:20:15 DAKA2: I fixed my stacked ram chips today. Aug 09 01:20:23 landslide: !!! :-) Aug 09 01:20:27 they need to be reflowed. Aug 09 01:20:31 I fixed mine yesterday Aug 09 01:20:36 some connections were kinda floating. b;) Aug 09 01:20:39 64Mb working :-) Aug 09 01:20:44 sweeto!!!! Aug 09 01:20:49 I'm really jealous about that. Aug 09 01:20:56 Im going to make a 128Mb later today Aug 09 01:21:01 mine still doesn't boot with 128M though the ram is now much more stable. Aug 09 01:21:08 ah.. Aug 09 01:21:13 I have some surplus chips... Aug 09 01:21:16 256Mbit. Aug 09 01:21:20 i might be able to ship them. Aug 09 01:21:22 I have a pile too Aug 09 01:21:38 I need hotair to take mine off DIMM's Aug 09 01:21:39 the guys at work gave me a bunch of old windowsCE machines which they were throwing up Aug 09 01:21:53 unless you have a secret removal technique you want to share... :-) Aug 09 01:22:02 yeah now worries. Aug 09 01:22:05 sharing is caring. Aug 09 01:22:27 Cool. Aug 09 01:22:37 what the secret incantation? Aug 09 01:22:38 i'll get them to take off a few tomorrow... send me an e-mail Aug 09 01:22:53 the secret is a reflow station Aug 09 01:23:11 heh heh. Reflow station.. Aug 09 01:23:14 and a damn good techo at work who rocks at soldering surface mount :) Aug 09 01:23:32 I have a poopload of 8M16's on DIMM. Aug 09 01:23:36 i can't believe daka2 did it himself.. must have a steady hand. Aug 09 01:23:38 hotair reflow... Aug 09 01:23:41 anyway.. brb... dinner Aug 09 01:23:44 ok Aug 09 01:23:57 I'll catch you when you get back. Aug 09 01:37:16 dyoung-zzzz: well.. steady hand is good, small tip soldering iron.. to remove them I used a buthane gas torch :-) you know, the ~ 900 degC type :-) Aug 09 01:38:02 and when removing from the slug Im going to use some solderwick and when moste of the solder is gone just pry them off, should work Aug 09 01:47:25 whoa, thats pretty hard core! Aug 09 01:52:12 oh, and.. the gas flame should be far from the thing to desolder.. very far... Aug 09 02:06:09 landslide: make sure you keep some of the big chips there for the slug I'm gonna send you when this is all worked out :-) Aug 09 02:08:48 hahaha :) Aug 09 02:09:02 dyoung-zzzz: can you email me your funky irc log rotation scripts? Aug 09 02:09:51 Ok Aug 09 02:11:00 I'm setting up a local T-6h, T-12hm T-18h, T-24h with fixed names for each of them (as opposed to a date based naming scheme) Aug 09 02:12:34 damn it's still unreliable.. Aug 09 02:14:13 landslide: and distinctive pattern? Aug 09 02:14:16 any* Aug 09 02:14:19 no Aug 09 02:14:25 but likely the higher address lines. Aug 09 02:14:53 Theres a basic API for loglibrary too. I havnt poked at it yet... Aug 09 02:15:40 or was this gonna be for the autobuildlogs? Aug 09 02:20:17 dyoung-zzzz: no, this is just for my private LAN logs Aug 09 02:20:45 ok. its sent. It was originally on a slug; so thats why /bin/ash . Aug 09 02:22:18 thx Aug 09 02:22:44 But I am thinking of scp'ing the buildlogs over to nugabe after each build, so that others can debug. Aug 09 02:23:03 I can 0WnZ uR S1ug! Aug 09 02:23:15 Good plan. Aug 09 02:23:58 something like www.nslu2-linux.org/autobuild-{nudi,gastro,banana}.log Aug 09 02:24:28 should make it at least 2 deep. Aug 09 02:24:51 so one can see the previous one Aug 09 02:38:52 ok, add a -curr.log and -prev.log, and only copy -curr to -prev if the autobuild was successful ? Aug 09 02:40:48 do we want to keep simply the previous and the current (which will be the same if there is a consistent failure), of the previous successful and the current (although successfull builds quickly become uninteresting as nothing is rebuilt) Aug 09 02:41:01 s/, of/, or/ Aug 09 02:41:46 (note that -curr.log will only be copied after all build attempts for that cycle are complete - openslug, unslung, ucslugc, optware-nslu2, optware-wl500g) Aug 09 02:44:28 dyoung-zzzz: are you using ctrlproxy anywhere yet? Aug 09 02:44:46 yeah, thats what I meant. A view of the last successful one. Aug 09 02:45:10 Yes, ctrlproxy has been running on HomeSlug for several weeks now Aug 09 02:45:21 I didnt bother changing the download location yet. Aug 09 02:45:29 is the config easy? Aug 09 02:45:32 and the .bb needs to add the sample configuration. Aug 09 02:45:46 I can send you mine; and we can work out a generic one. Aug 09 02:45:55 should I change over to it from miau ? Aug 09 02:46:33 I like that you can connect to multiple servers; though I havnt actually done that yet. Aug 09 02:47:05 ah, that would be good for monotone Aug 09 02:47:13 that's enough of a reason Aug 09 02:47:18 right. I should try it. Aug 09 02:47:31 in fact I'll try it right now. Aug 09 02:47:58 ok, I'll change over tonight. Can you send me your config after you've got the multiple servers working? Aug 09 02:48:11 can you remind me the monotone channel information? Aug 09 02:49:03 irc://irc.oftc.net/#monotone Aug 09 02:52:09 rwhitby-away: did you see the script from patrick ohly? Aug 09 02:54:25 the keep the last propagate point and do explicit merge from there script? Aug 09 02:55:35 koen: did you just see that monotone 0.22 is released, with a --lca option to merge? Aug 09 02:55:48 no, missed that one Aug 09 02:56:00 * koen downlaods some debs Aug 09 02:56:10 just came across monotone-devel list Aug 09 02:57:25 yes i fixed it Aug 09 02:57:37 it BOOOTS! Aug 09 02:57:40 128M. Aug 09 02:57:43 :) Aug 09 02:57:46 ~praise landslide Aug 09 02:58:12 no need for reflow station. my soldering iron has a really small tip and i had some solder paste handy Aug 09 02:58:17 good enough to do the trick Aug 09 02:58:39 root@SLUG:~# cat /proc/meminfo Aug 09 02:58:39 MemTotal: 128056 kB Aug 09 02:58:40 MemFree: 118760 kB Aug 09 02:58:41 Buffers: 0 kB Aug 09 02:58:43 SWEEET Aug 09 02:59:17 looks like landslide hosts the openslug native builds on his slug :-) Aug 09 02:59:23 ~rarr~ Aug 09 03:08:44 if I didn't have lots of work to do I'd make a 128M one right now.. and if that works I might remake my 64M one into a 128M too Aug 09 03:10:06 now we have overclocked and upgraded the slugs: case-modding! Aug 09 03:10:14 Neon! Aug 09 03:10:18 haha Aug 09 03:10:27 ok, I'll make something later Aug 09 03:11:50 koen: case-modding has already been done. There's a slug out there with an LCD implanted in the case. Aug 09 03:12:34 heh, I'm going to do that, have a couple of small LCDs Aug 09 03:15:07 no way are there photos? Aug 09 03:15:18 i have done make update in like 3 weeks Aug 09 03:15:22 is it going to take ages? Aug 09 03:15:27 master make i mean Aug 09 03:19:49 landslide: probably faster to download a new db - see the setup target in the makefile Aug 09 03:23:46 ping Aug 09 03:24:09 an I here? Aug 09 03:24:39 dyoung-zzzz: yes Aug 09 03:27:47 ok cool, it works! Aug 09 03:28:26 now to sanitize... Aug 09 03:29:58 if i've compiled all the packages how do I get the device (with ipkg) to grab them off my pc? Aug 09 03:30:03 is it just via http? Aug 09 03:32:43 landslide: ftp:, http:, or rsync over and use file: Aug 09 03:33:17 or nfs and use file: Aug 09 03:33:20 ok. Aug 09 03:33:21 hehe Aug 09 03:33:44 I usually rsync over to /home/feed/ on the slug and use file:///home/feed :-) Aug 09 03:34:08 don't forget to run ipkg-make-index -p Packages . Aug 09 03:34:08 I have deploy nfsmounted at /deploy and use file:///deploy/ipk Aug 09 03:34:30 when will it all be available publically? Aug 09 03:35:04 koen: I just rsync over the whole tmp/deploy/ipk directory :-) Aug 09 03:35:09 DaKa2 will 0WnZ uR S1uG Aug 09 03:35:23 ... Aug 09 03:35:37 when he makes his private feed available. :-) Aug 09 03:35:50 hehe. Aug 09 03:37:49 guys, what is this: Aug 09 03:37:52 Pid: 146, comm: jffs2_gcd_mtd4 Aug 09 03:37:52 CPU: 0 Aug 09 03:37:52 pc : [] lr : [] Not tainted Aug 09 03:37:53 sp : c4321af4 ip : ffff90bc fp : c4321b10 Aug 09 03:37:54 r10: c4321b14 r9 : c01ad2c0 r8 : c01c48b4 Aug 09 03:37:55 r7 : 00000000 r6 : 60000013 r5 : c01c52f0 r4 : c4310b18 Aug 09 03:37:55 r3 : 00000000 r2 : 00000001 r1 : 00000000 r0 : ffffffff Aug 09 03:37:57 Flags: nZCv IRQs on FIQs on Mode SVC_32 Segment kernel Aug 09 03:38:03 is that a crash? Aug 09 03:38:07 landslide: the unstable feed is available publicly Aug 09 03:38:26 does it have apache and php ? Aug 09 03:38:52 dunno - are they in openslug-packages.bb ? Aug 09 03:39:06 or openslug-native-packages.bb ? Aug 09 03:39:53 rwhitby: Sent. Aug 09 03:42:03 dyoung-zzzz: thx Aug 09 03:46:17 heh Aug 09 03:46:33 security is not my forte: I forgot my slugs root password Aug 09 03:46:35 anyone notice the little choke next to the ram gets warm? Aug 09 03:46:38 is that normal? Aug 09 03:47:49 koen: reboot with the disk unplugged, and it will revert to the password in the flash Aug 09 03:48:02 doing that as we speak :) Aug 09 03:48:04 * rwhitby might go offline - updating homeslug to latest openslug Aug 09 04:12:53 koen: mine doesnt even have a password.. I mean, I dont have any console to log into anyways :) Aug 09 04:13:38 kolla: mine was runnign with opeNSLUg as rootpassword attached to the internet Aug 09 04:13:48 so I changed it into something more secure Aug 09 04:14:21 hehe Aug 09 04:15:04 hm, in gentoo I can say SRC_URI="mirror://sourceforge/bla/blabla.tgz", is there something like that in openslug? Aug 09 04:15:21 ${SOURCEFORGE_MIRROR} Aug 09 04:15:46 ah Aug 09 04:16:21 there are more of those, grep for MIRROR in conf/ Aug 09 04:16:36 yes, if I had done grep -i instead of just grep, I'd found it :) Aug 09 04:56:09 hi all Aug 09 04:56:26 have a question regarding usb enclosure under openslug... could i ask here ? Aug 09 04:57:22 i have an usb enclosure which support 2 HD on a single IDE channel Aug 09 04:57:45 under openslug i only see one, is this right/normal ? Aug 09 04:58:39 can you postbin the appropriate bits of dmesg output? Aug 09 04:59:00 yeah just minute Aug 09 05:01:23 hub 3-0:1.0: USB hub found Aug 09 05:01:23 hub 3-0:1.0: 2 ports detected Aug 09 05:01:24 usb 1-1: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 2 Aug 09 05:01:24 Initializing USB Mass Storage driver... Aug 09 05:01:24 usb 1-2: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 3 Aug 09 05:01:26 scsi0 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices Aug 09 05:01:29 usb-storage: device found at 2 Aug 09 05:01:31 usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning Aug 09 05:01:34 scsi1 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices Aug 09 05:01:36 usbcore: registered new driver usb-storage Aug 09 05:01:39 USB Mass Storage support registered. Aug 09 05:01:41 i2c /dev entries driver Aug 09 05:01:44 usb-storage: device found at 3 Aug 09 05:01:47 usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning Aug 09 05:01:49 LOADED Xicor x1205 RTC Dvr v0.9.3.3NPW Aug 09 05:01:52 Xicor x1205 RTC Dvr v0.9.3.3NPW attached on adapter Aug 09 05:01:54 NET: Registered protocol family 1 Aug 09 05:01:57 Vendor: HITACHI_ Model: DK23CA-15 Rev: 00H2 Aug 09 05:01:59 Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 00 Aug 09 05:02:01 Vendor: USB 2.0 Model: Storage Device Rev: 0100 Aug 09 05:02:04 Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 00 Aug 09 05:02:06 SCSI device sda: 29498113 512-byte hdwr sectors (15103 MB) Aug 09 05:02:09 sda: assuming drive cache: write through Aug 09 05:02:12 SCSI device sda: 29498113 512-byte hdwr sectors (15103 MB) Aug 09 05:02:14 sda: assuming drive cache: write through Aug 09 05:02:16 sda: sda1 Aug 09 05:02:19 Attached scsi disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 Aug 09 05:02:21 SCSI device sdb: 490234752 512-byte hdwr sectors (251000 MB) Aug 09 05:02:24 sdb: assuming drive cache: write through Aug 09 05:02:27 usb-storage: device scan complete Aug 09 05:02:29 SCSI device sdb: 490234752 512-byte hdwr sectors (251000 MB) Aug 09 05:02:32 sdb: assuming drive cache: write through Aug 09 05:02:34 sdb: sdb1 sdb2 Aug 09 05:02:37 sorry Aug 09 05:02:39 oops Aug 09 05:02:43 is my IDE Enclosure chipset not support (for two driver ?) Aug 09 05:02:50 is ther some doc / wiki about this ? Aug 09 05:04:12 nineteen: it seems it detects both sda and sdb Aug 09 05:04:28 yeah i have one enclosure on sda (with one driver) Aug 09 05:04:40 en one enclosure on second port (with two drives) Aug 09 05:04:41 oop, I meant pastebin; ie: pastebin.ca. But that will do. do you in fact have a 16GB and 250GB disk on your enclosure? Aug 09 05:04:56 usb1 : sda (16gb) Aug 09 05:04:58 You might need to enable multi_lun Aug 09 05:05:08 usb2 : sdb (and sdc?) 250 & 100 Aug 09 05:05:21 multi_lin: ok thanks for the tipss Aug 09 05:05:33 any starting point (in the kernel or is this just a parma?) Aug 09 05:05:33 heh Aug 09 05:05:42 that multiple lun thing had me going for ages Aug 09 05:05:47 are you building this yourself? Aug 09 05:05:49 in the kernel Aug 09 05:05:56 noe using the lastest binary Aug 09 05:06:00 damm Aug 09 05:06:01 :( Aug 09 05:06:30 You'll need to be setup to build it. Then the file you want is openembedded/packages/linux/openslug-kernel-2.6.12.2/defconfig. Aug 09 05:06:34 dyoung-zzzz: multiple luins would be nice to have into the default config Aug 09 05:06:37 luns* Aug 09 05:07:08 dyoung: thanks Aug 09 05:07:24 koen: yourue probably right. But since I dont have any multi-lun devices, I dont want to be the one to commit it in case it breaks something else. :-) Aug 09 05:07:34 ;) Aug 09 05:07:38 :) Aug 09 05:07:57 i have one mor ide channel on the enclosur, wondering if it's working too (on electronic level) Aug 09 05:08:03 However, it seems we may have a nice tester here... :-) Aug 09 05:08:08 ah ah Aug 09 05:08:15 should we enable multi-lun by default on openslug? Aug 09 05:08:23 yep but i need to setup a build environnment Aug 09 05:08:28 and that will take me some time Aug 09 05:08:56 if you have a binray with multi_lun enbaled I LL HAPPILLY test it ;) Aug 09 05:11:52 Is it SCSI_MULTI_LUN ? Aug 09 05:12:14 (for what i know, i think, yes) Aug 09 05:16:09 that sounds right... Aug 09 05:16:38 most cardreaders use multiple luns too Aug 09 05:16:59 sounds cool Aug 09 05:17:59 koen: Oh yeah! I have a multi-card reader to fiddle with. Aug 09 05:18:21 I'm recalling that the printers with the card reader were multilun too Aug 09 05:19:46 * koen still has an old parallelport printer Aug 09 05:20:10 i have too some kind of nasty usb gadget Aug 09 05:20:19 card reader and tvtuner Aug 09 05:20:29 and so on... Aug 09 05:20:40 is anyone trying to build with utli_lun ? Aug 09 05:21:53 I have a feeling rwhitby is. Aug 09 05:22:33 rwhitby: could you keep me informed if you build a multi_lun image ? Aug 09 05:24:25 nineteen: building now Aug 09 05:24:38 ok nice Aug 09 05:26:52 g Aug 09 05:32:35 I wrote a patch for the setup-host-debian script in the master makefile Aug 09 05:33:22 but it requires that NSLU2-Linux set up a very small debian repository containing the monotone version installed on the server Aug 09 05:34:27 (Also made a small update to the setup-host-gentoo script to add bzip2) Aug 09 05:34:39 blaster8: I think it's easier just to tell people to install the latest monotone version from venge.net first. Aug 09 05:34:39 http://people.pwf.cam.ac.uk/mlj28/makefilechanges Aug 09 05:35:10 but what if 0.22 is incompatible with 0.21 Aug 09 05:35:19 it isn't :) Aug 09 05:35:45 well, I've set up a repo on some of my webspace to test this and it works ok Aug 09 05:35:51 blaster8: in general, our server will normally track the latest version of monotone pretty closely. Aug 09 05:35:56 there are also other changes Aug 09 05:36:11 yep, we'll definitely pick up the other changes, thanks. Aug 09 05:37:02 the trouble with a debian repo is that someone needs to remember to keep it up to date. We try and reduce the maintenance overhead, and this would just increase it for not a whole lot of benefit. Aug 09 05:37:56 And I'm not all that comfortable messing with people's /etc/apt/sources.list files :-) Aug 09 05:38:15 I know that I personally wouldn't want a makefile messing with mine ... Aug 09 05:38:39 ok - just wanted to get the script equivalent to gentoo Aug 09 05:38:40 "why can't I have my ipkg install stuff to $HOME?" Aug 09 05:38:51 but debian isn't that flexible Aug 09 05:39:49 interesting quote here: 'you can (will) screw up your system by installing indivvidual deb files' Aug 09 05:40:39 how do I get file information? Aug 09 05:40:50 say what security settings in octal? Aug 09 05:42:06 nite all. Aug 09 05:42:14 night Aug 09 05:42:15 'night dyoung Aug 09 05:42:39 nite dyoung Aug 09 05:47:33 morning Aug 09 05:48:18 I hope we'll switch to MT 0.22 in the near future as I heard it has a merging feature. Aug 09 05:48:35 I'm not if that will help me or not but anything new is good. Aug 09 05:54:04 VoodooZ_Work: you can switch now - it's a client update, and the server protocol has not changed. Aug 09 05:56:51 nineteen: got somewhere I can ftp an image too? Aug 09 05:57:15 rwhitby, I see. thanks Aug 09 05:58:48 I'll definitely try that new merge thing as I'm fed up of those merges. (I have not changed a single file in weeks and I still get them every update). Aug 09 06:00:10 OK, I've fixed this so that monotone isn't installed - http://people.pwf.cam.ac.uk/mlj28/makefilechanges Aug 09 06:04:57 thx - I've added those changes. Aug 09 06:05:24 If you push them to the website, I can update the wiki Aug 09 06:05:48 it's happening as we speak. Aug 09 06:06:00 thanks Aug 09 06:06:26 Is monotone 0.22 completely compatible with the 0.21 server? Aug 09 06:07:26 blaster8: apparently so. I haven't tested it myself. Aug 09 06:07:42 the server will be updated to 0.22 sometime in the next 24 hours anyway ... Aug 09 06:08:53 nineteen: did you want that multi-lun image or not? Aug 09 06:09:14 blaster8: it's up Aug 09 06:10:10 hate to say it, but you missed a really subtle change in the grep command on setup-host-gentoo Aug 09 06:10:30 but it'll be important with the upgrade to 0.22 Aug 09 06:10:42 which line? Aug 09 06:11:09 second and fourth line Aug 09 06:11:37 just add the monotone-0.21 and boost-1.32 descriptor (as opposed to monotone and boost) Aug 09 06:12:25 rwhitby: did you make your multilun image avaible online ? Aug 09 06:12:32 I can host it Aug 09 06:15:51 i'm having trouble getting apache2 to list the files in my tmp/deploy/ipk directory Aug 09 06:16:07 i think it has to do with the setgui permission in /home/slug Aug 09 06:20:07 nineteen: it's uploading now (will be another 10 minutes - I have a slow upload pipe) Aug 09 06:21:13 ok Aug 09 06:22:41 anyone ever seen this? Aug 09 06:22:41 vmdebian:/home/slug/openslug/tmp/deploy/ipk# chgrp www-data * Aug 09 06:22:42 -su: /bin/chgrp: Argument list too long Aug 09 06:22:43 v Aug 09 06:23:24 Try: chgrp -R www-data . Aug 09 06:23:44 yeah that workedl. Aug 09 06:28:27 nineteen: It will be at http://www.nslu2-linux.org/openslug-nslu2-20050806024953.flashdisk.img for the next 10 minutes. Let me know when you've got it. Aug 09 06:28:52 start now Aug 09 06:29:14 md5sum is d1e211c51ae891b1732bcf2517adc962 Aug 09 06:32:36 how do i get apache2 to show me a file listing of a directory in the browser? Aug 09 06:32:51 like if i browse to http:/localhost/slug2/ Aug 09 06:34:46 done, md5 ok Aug 09 06:34:56 thanks i ll try it right now Aug 09 06:35:44 removed the file Aug 09 06:50:12 hmmm Aug 09 06:50:26 what is the magic command to flash a new kernel in linux? Aug 09 06:50:37 reflash -i foo.img Aug 09 06:50:44 thanks Aug 09 06:50:49 (whole image, not just kernel) Aug 09 06:51:04 -k for the kernel? Aug 09 06:51:22 dunno - I always use -i Aug 09 06:51:50 reflash: writing kernel to /dev/mtdblock2 Aug 09 06:51:54 that's with -k Aug 09 06:52:10 seems to work Aug 09 06:52:21 should be ok as long as the kernel version doesn't change (in which case your modules would be stuffed) Aug 09 06:52:25 * koen crosses fingers and types reboot Aug 09 06:52:57 I ipkg upgraded from 2.0 to unstable Aug 09 06:53:07 (on the hd) Aug 09 06:53:44 * koen starts to think that was a bad idea Aug 09 06:53:53 you should really use reflash -i, to make sure that the contents of the flash is updated, so that everything before the pivot_root is consistent Aug 09 06:54:43 I realize that now Aug 09 06:54:50 especially due to all the cool stuff that jbowler put in to save the configuration across reflash -i Aug 09 06:54:53 * koen does the magic reset sequence Aug 09 06:55:02 flashing Aug 09 06:55:27 what's the latest and greatest image? Aug 09 06:55:38 2.6-beta? Aug 09 06:55:51 koen: 2.6-beta is what builds right now Aug 09 06:56:07 a 2.5-beta binary is being prepared Aug 09 06:56:41 and nineteen has the very latest image :-) Aug 09 06:57:14 rwhitby: working! Aug 09 06:57:23 thanks alot guy Aug 09 06:59:13 rwhitby: could i "ipkg" without fear on this version ? Aug 09 06:59:20 it should be in the feeds in the next hour sometime Aug 09 06:59:34 that's working for me, could i help in giving my enclosure chipset spec ? Aug 09 06:59:56 nineteen: put it in the database in the nslu2-general yahoo group Aug 09 07:00:24 Well, version 0.22 of monotone is definitely faster Aug 09 07:04:26 the openslug page only lists 2.0 Aug 09 07:04:37 is there a super secret location with newer stuff? Aug 09 07:04:43 images. no. Aug 09 07:04:54 gotta build it yourself :-) Aug 09 07:05:59 I've been considering putting snapshot images from the autobuild somewhere .... but first I have to work out how to stop the image being rebuilt when nothing changes. Aug 09 07:06:05 this is not right is it? Aug 09 07:06:05 root@SLUG:/etc# ipkg update Aug 09 07:06:05 Downloading http://192.168.10.104/slug/Packages Aug 09 07:06:06 Updated list of available packages in /usr/lib/ipkg/lists/nslu2-oe Aug 09 07:06:07 Downloading http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/openslug/cross/2.4-beta/Packages.gz Aug 09 07:06:17 it should be pointing to my local feed. Aug 09 07:06:39 isn't that the first entry? Aug 09 07:06:50 landslide: what do you have in /etc/ipkg/... ? Aug 09 07:07:25 3 files Aug 09 07:07:40 all i modified was etc/ipkg.conf Aug 09 07:07:50 wrong file to modify Aug 09 07:07:55 i added src nslug2-oe http://192.168.10.104/slug Aug 09 07:08:13 i was going by this : http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/OpenSlug/IpkgFeed Aug 09 07:08:54 can you change that wiki page to tell people to edit /etc/ipkg/cross-feed.conf instead? Aug 09 07:08:54 so which file should i modify Aug 09 07:09:34 yep i can do that. Aug 09 07:09:43 and this one too: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/OpenEmbedded/AutomaticallySettingTheIpkgIpkServer :-) Aug 09 07:10:20 :) Aug 09 07:10:25 what about native-feed.conf Aug 09 07:10:45 if you've got a replacement native feed you can edit that too Aug 09 07:11:54 oh, hang on, your new 128MB slug *is* the native feed build machine, so you could just use file:/// in there ;-) Aug 09 07:13:29 i have done a build open-slug on my desktop Aug 09 07:13:40 and the tmp/deploy/ipk is available on apache2 Aug 09 07:13:50 so do I need to modify the native feed? Aug 09 07:13:54 no Aug 09 07:14:06 ok Aug 09 07:14:12 ah it's WORKING :) Aug 09 07:14:27 awesome i have my nano editor. Aug 09 07:14:30 life is easy again Aug 09 07:15:21 ok i'll modify the wiki and head to be. Aug 09 07:15:24 bed. that is. Aug 09 07:15:29 great success tonight. Aug 09 07:16:06 well done Aug 09 07:16:28 i'm just going to just append the wiki at this stage... Aug 09 07:16:42 i don't know enough about what i did to write about the whole thing. Aug 09 07:16:53 atleast that should be enough so others don't fall in the same trap Aug 09 07:17:13 prepend so they see the new stuff first Aug 09 07:18:22 nineteen: feeds are updated to match the image you have Aug 09 07:18:36 nice Aug 09 07:18:37 you need to be pulling from the unstable feed Aug 09 07:19:04 i have currently the soldering iron to test if my enclosur have 2xIDE ;) Aug 09 07:19:15 ill try installing package in half an hour Aug 09 07:22:09 night all Aug 09 07:28:38 ok i updated the wiki... sorry it's not as concise.. i'm still a noob... Aug 09 07:39:11 rwhitby-asleep: sorry, my bad. It wasn't supposed to be added. Aug 09 08:46:24 'make build-openslug' will build all 1182 packages found in /home/slug/openembedded/packages/ ? Aug 09 08:46:36 no Aug 09 08:46:49 it will build the packages listed in openembedded/packages/meta/openslug-packages/ Aug 09 08:46:49 no? Aug 09 08:46:52 urgh Aug 09 08:46:54 it will build the packages listed in openembedded/packages/meta/openslug-packages.bb Aug 09 08:51:28 it is building boost now, but I don't see boost listed in openslug-packages.bb Aug 09 08:53:39 ahh, I know why Aug 09 08:53:54 monotone depends on boost, that's why Aug 09 08:54:48 it took me 1 hour to find out there is this openslug-packages.bb file Aug 09 08:54:56 thanks NAiL! Aug 09 08:59:51 if I make changes to one of the packages in openslug/tmp/work/, how do I rebuild it? Aug 09 10:49:12 memory: Aug 09 10:49:13 0x0 0x08000000 (128 MiB) Aug 09 10:49:22 DaKa2: cheers Aug 09 10:49:33 well.. lets see if it boots.. Aug 09 10:49:42 hm.. no.. probably a floating pin.. Aug 09 11:14:24 Heads up to the IRC channel first Aug 09 11:14:37 OpenSlug 2.5 binary is released at www.openslug.org Aug 09 11:16:16 * koen downloads Aug 09 11:16:19 great work! Aug 09 11:22:23 upslug: no slugs found, turkey problems? Aug 09 11:22:24 :) Aug 09 11:23:17 the binary was test flashed before uploading... so I would assume the issue is on your end. Aug 09 11:24:27 I ran upslug while the slug was powered down Aug 09 11:24:35 I was just admiring the message :) Aug 09 11:24:37 heh Aug 09 11:25:08 the indication of how tired I am would be how hard I laughed at that Aug 09 11:27:23 ;) Aug 09 11:28:09 I baby sat the SVN tarball compile for 6+ hours before I decided that I'd better get home before my wife hired someone to whack me Aug 09 11:28:21 hahaha Aug 09 11:28:54 note to self: never take out more life insurance than current debt load Aug 09 11:29:03 haha Aug 09 12:01:12 DaKa2: Hmm... What kind of mem chips can I use for my slug? I think it was mentioned not long ago Aug 09 12:02:42 yay for free samples from microchip, I got 5 mcp120 for free the slug is now ForcePowerAlwaysOn :) Aug 09 12:03:09 I should probably get one of them meself Aug 09 12:04:04 NAiL: well, if you just want to piggyback two more chips you need two 8Mx16 cas3 Aug 09 12:04:13 If I replace them completely? Aug 09 12:04:21 What about... say 64x64? Aug 09 12:04:23 if you want 128MiB, you need four 16Mx16 Aug 09 12:04:28 :-) Aug 09 12:04:39 if you want 256MiB, you need four 32Mx16 Aug 09 12:04:50 needs to be x16? Aug 09 12:04:53 yep.. Aug 09 12:04:56 512MiB! Aug 09 12:05:02 heh Aug 09 12:05:04 koen: hehe, no :) Aug 09 12:05:12 256MiB = max Aug 09 12:05:13 That excludes my crucial memstick Aug 09 12:05:30 NAiL: whats on it? Aug 09 12:06:27 64Mx64, according to crucial Aug 09 12:06:34 ah, well, thats total Aug 09 12:06:47 you need what the individual chips are Aug 09 12:07:00 aha Aug 09 12:07:06 how can I figure out that? Aug 09 12:07:18 you will have most luck on 4 chip 128MiB sticks for the 16Mx16 Aug 09 12:07:20 well.. Aug 09 12:07:23 read on the chips :-) Aug 09 12:07:42 ah, it actually says Aug 09 12:07:46 I didn't see that earlier Aug 09 12:07:56 They're 32Mx8 :( Aug 09 12:08:05 yep.. thats common :-( Aug 09 12:08:55 my twinmos 256mb doesn't say anything Aug 09 12:09:26 hm, how many chips? Aug 09 12:10:27 16. It's apparently 16Mx8, according to twinmos ;) Aug 09 12:10:47 ah, well. forget the sticks with lots of chips Aug 09 12:11:11 sticks with four chips / side are the ones to look for (usually) Aug 09 12:11:31 I think I've got a four-chip-on-one-side 128mb Aug 09 12:11:38 good Aug 09 12:11:44 thats 16Mx16 Aug 09 12:11:56 aha Aug 09 12:12:02 (95% chance atleast) Aug 09 12:12:15 yeah Aug 09 12:12:26 I've got loads of sdram sticks Aug 09 12:12:40 just not right heh Aug 09 12:12:43 hrer Aug 09 12:12:47 *here* Aug 09 12:14:27 I think I'll try bugging the local tv repair shop guy and get him to replace the chips for me Aug 09 12:14:33 :) Aug 09 12:14:50 They've fixed tiny soldering for me before Aug 09 12:15:08 I managed to snap a tiny lead off of my hdd Aug 09 14:23:02 anyone had any problems with ctorrent on openslug? Aug 09 14:23:23 I seem to remember someone having problems with torrents. ctorrents seem to be running just fine on mine right now Aug 09 14:23:41 I saw some reports about memory usage Aug 09 14:24:55 hmm.. currently it's using 5.6% of my memory.. Aug 09 14:25:06 ok, negible Aug 09 14:25:37 I'm ok with anything up to ... 40% or so. Above that it becomes unuseable Aug 09 14:37:22 inet6 addr: 2001:610:1908:a000:210:60ff:fe84:4f26/64 Scope:Global Aug 09 14:37:24 NAiL: Perfect with procps - good job! Aug 09 14:37:25 woohoo! Aug 09 14:37:58 ingeba-zzz: except that I missed to $'s ;) Aug 09 14:38:04 but that's fixed right now Aug 09 14:38:07 :-) Aug 09 14:38:09 so I'm gonna push rsn Aug 09 14:38:14 \o/ Aug 09 14:38:46 I'll put in back in the unstable feed as well then ;) Aug 09 14:41:59 ah, I'm brilliant Aug 09 14:43:20 All hail NAiL (we should get a bot for this... really) Aug 09 14:43:41 ~praise NAiL Aug 09 14:44:05 Nah... as I thought. All equipped with a 2.6.12, but no jbot.... sad tale this Openslug business. Aug 09 14:46:09 hahaha Aug 09 14:56:24 popen.c:46:22: lockfile.h: No such file or directory Aug 09 14:56:24 popen.c: In function `handle_spool_locks': Aug 09 14:56:24 popen.c:496: error: `L_SUCCESS' undeclared (first use in this function) Aug 09 14:56:30 Anyone know how to fix that? Aug 09 14:59:05 I'd like to get mailx working Aug 09 14:59:41 I have this nice plan to get my slug to check for torrents in a samba-shared directory, start a torrent session for every torrent stored, then send me a mail when it's done ;) Aug 09 15:04:07 I'm thinking of the same thing - Azureus ties up too much resources when I am downloading and seeding my usual mixture of linux torrents and BBC TV shows Aug 09 15:04:55 me too Aug 09 15:05:02 when you guys work it out lemme know. Aug 09 15:05:03 heh Aug 09 15:05:31 heh Aug 09 15:05:51 I don't know where the lockfile.h file it tries to find comes from Aug 09 15:06:02 It doesn't compile natively either :( Aug 09 15:10:16 NOTE: package mailx-8.1.2-0.20050715cvs: completed Aug 09 15:10:50 * NAiL goes off to test :D Aug 09 15:11:10 nail, do you not like nail? Aug 09 15:11:21 (this is a serious statement BTW) Aug 09 15:11:52 you have to love yourself before you can love someone else .... Aug 09 15:11:57 hahah Aug 09 15:11:58 * koen is happy with his openslug 2.5beta installation Aug 09 15:12:26 I just want the "mail" util Aug 09 15:12:30 does nail have that as well? Aug 09 15:12:41 koen: just make sure you do reflash -i from now on :-) Aug 09 15:12:44 koen: Good. Tell me if there's anything that annoys you ;) Aug 09 15:12:51 rwhitby: will do :) Aug 09 15:13:05 * ingeba-zzz wonders if it is possible to set his nick to ingeba-zzz-yes-really-zzz Aug 09 15:13:12 Night all Aug 09 15:13:19 NAiL: I miss a "install ntp-tickadj to fix drift" banner Aug 09 15:13:21 night ingeba-zzz Aug 09 15:13:25 'night ingeba-zzz Aug 09 15:13:47 nail is like mail. Aug 09 15:13:52 nail is like male too. Aug 09 15:14:07 argh, I'm off to sleep too Aug 09 15:14:09 nail can talk to servers of various types. Aug 09 15:14:14 'night blaster8 Aug 09 15:14:34 dyoung: Ah. But I only need simple "send smtp in a script functionality" Aug 09 15:14:36 and nail supposledly knows about certs. Aug 09 15:14:41 cya (successful day, made the brackets to hold my 2.5" hard drive in my new nslu2 case) Aug 09 15:14:52 (among too many other things) Aug 09 15:14:56 NAiL: me too; nail works for that. :-) Aug 09 15:15:19 I only mention it because its already in. Aug 09 15:15:25 mailx is my friend too though Aug 09 15:15:49 but serial is his real real friend Aug 09 15:16:00 NAiL: something keeps restting /etc/resolv/conf Aug 09 15:16:08 dhcp/ Aug 09 15:16:10 I chattr +i'd it Aug 09 15:16:10 ? Aug 09 15:16:25 dyoung: dhcp on eth2 should set it Aug 09 15:16:42 (and does) Aug 09 15:16:54 ah, but another something resets it? Aug 09 15:16:59 yes Aug 09 15:17:10 I guess the non-existant dhcp on eth0 Aug 09 15:17:40 chattr fixes it, so I'm happy Aug 09 15:18:02 Why doesn't mailx pull in the liblockfile dep it needs to build? Aug 09 15:18:08 the .bb has DEPENDS = "liblockfile" Aug 09 15:18:26 maybe liblockfile doesn't stage it's headers Aug 09 15:18:31 hmm Aug 09 15:18:33 oh Aug 09 15:18:35 duh Aug 09 15:18:45 when I bb -b, it doesn't pull in deps Aug 09 15:22:10 did someone succeed in taming apache? Aug 09 15:23:35 note yet Aug 09 15:23:49 but the apache bb had some weird issues Aug 09 15:23:56 like... silly ones ;) Aug 09 15:24:05 I'm working on it, but.. I'm working on a lot of other things too, so.. I hope someone beats me to it Aug 09 15:25:27 hahah ;) Aug 09 15:25:38 didn't you get it to compile native? Aug 09 15:25:43 I have to fix perl (rdepends stuff), not that big fix, just needs to be done.. and keep testing the native devel environ, and figure out why my 128MiB flatslug fails to boot Aug 09 15:26:14 NAiL: actually, It did complete, and serve pages.. but it was a mess Aug 09 15:26:37 and fixing the small bugs was impossible without fixing up the bb.. Aug 09 15:27:09 DaKa2: luckily, koen is a bb expert ;-) Aug 09 15:27:22 I started on a complete new package, for cross-building, should really work Aug 09 15:27:45 :) well, I actually know how to fix it, I think, just don't have the time.. Aug 09 15:28:18 and now I really have to make some lunch.. missed mine today.. Aug 09 15:28:54 * koen is surprised: no irssi in the feeds Aug 09 15:29:08 D'oh Aug 09 15:29:39 not yet Aug 09 15:29:43 it compiles natively :P Aug 09 15:30:22 is there a meta package for native compiling? Aug 09 15:30:25 DaKa2: Is it possible to make update-alternatives create a symlink to a binary in a different dir? Aug 09 15:30:34 yep Aug 09 15:30:52 koen: master makefile runs on the slug Aug 09 15:31:07 and determines cross or native depending on where it is running Aug 09 15:31:22 look for openslug-native.conf and openslug-native-packages.bb Aug 09 15:31:25 cool Aug 09 15:31:33 The genious Makefile of amazing makeness ;) Aug 09 15:32:38 DaKa2: aka, make a symlink in /usr/sbin that points to a binary in /usr/bin Aug 09 15:34:03 * koen ipkg install openslug-native Aug 09 15:34:18 DaKa2: just ignore me again :P Aug 09 15:34:47 koen: I'm thinking of renaming that one to openslug-devel ... Aug 09 15:34:55 NAiL: as always :) Aug 09 15:35:23 ;) Aug 09 15:40:18 ah Aug 09 15:40:29 mailx and ssmtp works ;) Aug 09 15:46:53 * koen requests another ipv6 tunnel Aug 09 15:47:17 * NAiL looks awy Aug 09 15:47:20 away Aug 09 15:49:44 hi all Aug 09 15:49:54 hey hanjo Aug 09 15:50:16 is anyone here familiar with the cross python package? Aug 09 15:50:50 I wonder why several perfectly working modules are left out and are not packaged at the end Aug 09 15:51:05 hi koen Aug 09 15:51:56 Ok, does anyone know how I can scan a directory for .torrent files, and do a certain action for each of them? Aug 09 15:52:52 use xargs Aug 09 15:53:42 yeah Aug 09 15:53:44 find . name "*.torrent" | xargs "command" Aug 09 15:53:51 hmmm Aug 09 15:54:00 it looks like I need the real ifupdown Aug 09 15:54:13 * koen starts preparing for the hurting Aug 09 15:54:30 -name that is Aug 09 15:54:33 hanjo: ok, I want | xargs mv /dir Aug 09 15:54:53 how do I get the parameters to not end up on the end of the line? Aug 09 15:55:03 not with xargs Aug 09 15:55:28 then use a shell for loop Aug 09 15:56:03 TMPVAR=`find . -name "*.torrent" | head -n 1` Aug 09 15:56:13 mv $TMPVAR /dir ;) Aug 09 15:56:30 or, just mt `dostuff` /dir Aug 09 15:56:34 mv, even Aug 09 15:56:39 * NAiL just thinks out loud Aug 09 16:01:37 damn I'm hungry.. Aug 09 16:02:17 DaKa2: Eating helps, I think Aug 09 16:02:40 yes.. I think so too.. some food is in the oven.. just going to take 20 minutes or so... Aug 09 16:02:43 :( Aug 09 16:02:55 food = pizza Aug 09 16:03:21 hehe Aug 09 16:04:22 actually, this is real food, not the kind of crap (well, good tasting crap) that usually gets called pizza Aug 09 16:05:00 guys, please stop. I just brushed my teeth :) Don't make me go into the kitchen again Aug 09 16:05:43 :) Aug 09 16:06:09 I better go to bed, the temptation is getting stronger Aug 09 16:06:26 hehe, nite nite :) Aug 09 16:06:37 :) Aug 09 16:06:48 bye Aug 09 16:10:02 * hanjo-zzzz is happily chewing on a chocolate bar while the others think he is sleeping Aug 09 16:10:16 :) Aug 09 16:10:33 what can I say. It did not take going in the kitchen Aug 09 16:10:51 and I'm running between to computer and kitchen just to smell all the nice stuff I put on the pizza Aug 09 16:11:23 and Im starting to get a bit tired too... Aug 09 16:11:26 hmm Aug 09 16:11:34 how can I properly escape a filename in the shell? Aug 09 16:12:03 I'm putting a filename in a variable, but it's not escaped. Aug 09 16:12:28 escaped like? Aug 09 16:13:01 DaKa2: that's what fans are for Aug 09 16:13:12 :) Aug 09 16:14:43 NAiL: with find: find something | xargs something { }, iirc Aug 09 16:15:39 or.. Aug 09 16:15:48 hm.. probably just ignore me.. Aug 09 16:17:01 NAIL: if you ment using "", '' or ``, the first two are equivalent, the second is a bit stronger protection, while the third will evaluate the content first Aug 09 16:18:19 or as DaKa2 says, never mind :) Aug 09 16:18:43 what, I recalled something correctly? Aug 09 16:19:12 you see, I should have used quotes "never mind" Aug 09 16:19:28 hanjo-zzzz: I meant to use ``, to evaluate first Aug 09 16:21:33 :) Aug 09 16:22:17 yea, that works. But using a small script is more powerfull than just piping. Maybe: for file in *.torrent; do blablabla $file; done; can be a better solution ? Aug 09 16:23:12 well, not really I think Aug 09 16:23:20 I just want it to get the first available torrent Aug 09 16:23:48 Ah, now I understand the head Aug 09 16:24:41 i.e. the "| head -n 1" part Aug 09 16:25:10 yeah Aug 09 16:25:28 I'll be running this as a cron job, that works it's way through a list of torrents Aug 09 16:25:38 (That I download to a dir from my windows box) Aug 09 16:26:12 and moves the torrent file to a temp dir, downloads the torrent, moves the resulting stuff to a "finished" dir. Aug 09 16:26:28 and so it goes on ;) Aug 09 16:26:46 Oh, and it sends me mail when the torrent is done ;-) Aug 09 16:27:07 :) I hope you are on a flat rate :) Aug 09 16:27:15 oh yes ;) Aug 09 16:28:22 urk Aug 09 16:28:29 What are the prices for 24h flat for 2-6Mbps over there? Aug 09 16:28:32 does postfix provide a /usr/sbin/sendmail? Aug 09 16:28:39 2 sec Aug 09 16:28:53 It's a lot more expensive here than in sweden :( Aug 09 16:28:53 yes it does Aug 09 16:29:28 on FC it is handled using the alternatives system Aug 09 16:29:35 $86 for 4MBit Aug 09 16:29:39 in sweden: 8mbits 249SEK/month, 24Mbit 399SEK/month.. Aug 09 16:30:21 $218/mo for 25MBit Aug 09 16:30:49 4Mbit -> 4.2mbit Aug 09 16:30:52 That is a bit pricey Aug 09 16:31:10 is this only the i-net part or the whole package dsl + i-net access Aug 09 16:31:11 yes Aug 09 16:31:16 and for the lucky with fibre connection (like me), you can get 10/10 for 249SEK/month, and 100/100 for ~450SEK/month Aug 09 16:31:17 dsl+inet Aug 09 16:31:29 * NAiL glares at DaKa2 Aug 09 16:31:35 :) Aug 09 16:31:50 ah well... hopefully I'll have /free/ 100/100 from this autumn Aug 09 16:32:04 1 USD ~ 7 SEK, I think.. Aug 09 16:32:16 here in DE I pay, 15 euro (2Mbps DSL) + 6.99 euro inet Aug 09 16:32:44 you pay separatly for dsl and inet? Aug 09 16:32:45 1.00 USD Aug 09 16:32:47 United States Dollars = 7.56404 SEK Aug 09 16:32:54 ah, yes Aug 09 16:33:31 Daka2: yes, one to the telecom with the phone bill Aug 09 16:33:50 oh.. that seems.. well.. strange.. Aug 09 16:34:00 1 USD = 6.39896 NOK Aug 09 16:34:18 DaKa2: Not long ago, Telenor did the same thing Aug 09 16:34:56 They charged separately for dsl and inet. And they were (and still are) the only provider using pppoe Aug 09 16:35:22 I don't thing we had it like that is in sweden.. the isp charge the user, and gives some of it to the network provider Aug 09 16:35:41 ugh.. pppoe... Aug 09 16:35:44 yes Aug 09 16:35:47 It's a pita Aug 09 16:35:58 well, here >90% of the dsl connections are provided by T-Comm, so it makes sense Aug 09 16:36:36 and you can shop around tor the best i-net provider Aug 09 16:37:08 ah, we just shop around for the best i-net provider, and they fix the rest Aug 09 16:37:15 :) Aug 09 16:37:44 I bet the telco still gets more than its fair share :) Aug 09 16:37:52 hehe, yes :) Aug 09 16:39:55 OK, now I go to zzzz for real :) bye Aug 09 16:40:51 hehe, Im on my second slice of pizza, and will probably go to sleep after that, nite nite :) Aug 09 16:44:48 there's a way to kinda... set "echo on" in bash-scripts, isn't there? Aug 09 16:45:23 set +x ? Aug 09 16:48:53 oh well, sleep, bbl, nite nite, etc Aug 09 16:51:22 set -x ;) Aug 09 18:36:45 Aug 10 03:21:08 (none) user.warn kernel: Alignment trap: ctorrent (947) PC=0x0000e610 Instr=0xe58d2009 Address=0xbe8cd90d FSR 0x813 Aug 09 18:36:48 urgh Aug 09 18:54:57 http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/OpenSlug/InstallCtorrent <-- yay ;) Aug 09 19:23:38 I have a dumb question! Why pursue a highly specialized linux system for the NSLU2 when Debian has a working ARM branch that could be easily ported? Aug 09 19:24:27 It can't be "easily" ported Aug 09 19:25:04 And, someone is working on getting debian to work on the slug Aug 09 19:25:52 debian's arm branch is little-endian, while the slug is big-endian Aug 09 19:27:11 It is possible to run the slug in LE mode, but the network driver is big-endian and binary-only Aug 09 19:27:11 so the advantage of openslug is that it works right now, and debian presently requires hardware mods to install? Aug 09 19:28:27 LeeColleton: That's one advantage, yes Aug 09 19:29:13 it just seems such an awful effort to prepare all the software that Debian has so nicely packaged Aug 09 19:29:26 which doesnt work out of the box. Aug 09 19:29:38 where is Jacmet when you need him? Aug 09 19:29:57 Someone point out DebianSlug wiki page. Aug 09 19:29:59 I'm going to go try to build another FrankenSlug... Aug 09 19:30:25 http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/DebianSlug/HomePage Aug 09 19:30:27 http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS6152296875.html Aug 09 19:30:39 oh well.. ;) Aug 09 19:30:55 <-- sitting in seriously lagged screen-session Aug 09 19:32:16 Lennert is building a BE Debian repo too. Aug 09 19:32:33 yeah Aug 09 19:34:18 yeah **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Aug 09 23:59:56 2005