**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Aug 21 02:59:56 2005 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Aug 21 04:44:51 2005 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Aug 21 04:44:51 2005 Aug 21 13:55:56 ingeba-toandfrom: ping? Aug 21 13:56:29 NAiL: Pong - i telefonen - et øyeblikk Aug 21 13:56:35 np Aug 21 14:07:43 irssi fails to build and its done it 3 times even after a fresh pull Aug 21 14:07:48 OSError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/home/tking/slug/openslug/downloads/cvs/irssi' Aug 21 14:08:05 lemme look at the perms Aug 21 14:09:10 its just not there. Aug 21 14:14:28 what's the perms on the cvs dir? Aug 21 14:16:48 I fixed it...a perms error...thanks Aug 21 14:17:07 np, been there before ;) Aug 21 14:17:21 ya...it looked like it but I couldnt' see it. Aug 21 14:26:11 NAiL: pong Aug 21 14:26:24 ah, just wondering if you were really here Aug 21 14:26:25 :) Aug 21 14:26:47 Ok - I was/am again. Aug 21 14:26:55 hehe, ok Aug 21 14:27:04 Got any experience with crossbuilding stuff? ;) Aug 21 14:27:25 Not the past week, I haven't. Just logic, fatty food and heavy drinking. Aug 21 14:27:43 Man, those Scotsmen know how to hold their drink. Aug 21 14:27:50 I know ;) Aug 21 14:28:16 Going through emails and slugbugs now before bedtime. Nothing like pondering about a problem throughout the night... Aug 21 14:28:25 hehe, yeah Aug 21 14:29:19 I'm working on getting crosscompiling to work, so that I can compile stuff for the DS Aug 21 14:35:51 Oh - that cross compilation. How Aug 21 14:35:59 's their GPL bundle? Aug 21 14:36:15 Does it have a decent cross setup? Aug 21 14:36:20 well, outdated, no cross setup Aug 21 14:36:28 Yeah, typical GPL Aug 21 14:36:35 it has uclibc, but the latest firmware is running glibc Aug 21 14:37:23 I have the DLink DSM-320 in my room now. It is in serious need of modifications. Their software sucks badly. Aug 21 14:37:51 But the net seems to be vacuumed of the alternate firmware effort started last year. Aug 21 14:38:25 Their GPL code is of course old and outdated even before it was (eventually) posted. Aug 21 14:38:40 hmm Aug 21 14:38:48 I was considering a DSM-320 Aug 21 14:38:57 Seems like this is the trend - always wait 3-6 months before releasing the GPL Aug 21 14:39:06 You want my advice :-) Aug 21 14:39:17 sure ;) Aug 21 14:39:28 I finally though D-Link was back on the good track, but no. Aug 21 14:39:39 heh Aug 21 14:39:42 shame, that Aug 21 14:40:08 It requires a uPnP server and hardly works even with that. It is slow, you can't skip within movies/music, the FF/REV is 2x only. I can't use it at all, since it only has Windows support. Aug 21 14:40:19 oh Aug 21 14:40:33 Tried the Twonkyvision demo, before buying. Never got it to work Aug 21 14:40:46 ok, not recommended... Aug 21 14:40:57 Compiled two free uPnP servers on my x86 box. They work, but not with DSM 320. Aug 21 14:41:04 hmm Aug 21 14:41:10 I want SMB/CIFS support. Aug 21 14:41:32 It looks nice and is very quiet Aug 21 14:41:41 Especially now - it is always off. Aug 21 14:41:59 heh Aug 21 14:42:10 Nice HW, bad Sw. Aug 21 14:42:32 yeah Aug 21 14:42:36 not unusual ;) Aug 21 14:42:40 Looks like my xbx god a new lease on life. Aug 21 14:42:40 brb, gotta reboot Aug 21 14:42:45 bibi Aug 21 14:45:31 for some reason firefox hangs all the time Aug 21 14:46:32 Not good - mine is stable but memory hungry (~200MB) Aug 21 14:47:01 that bad? Aug 21 14:47:10 Mine ends up at some 140-150mb before it hangs Aug 21 14:48:30 Well it's my own fault opening all those windows Aug 21 14:48:36 eh "tabs" Aug 21 14:49:00 heh Aug 21 14:49:45 I even use Chatzilla Aug 21 14:51:01 who handles that bot btw? Aug 21 14:51:53 * ingeba-toandfrom runs and hide in case he is blaimed for the psycho nslu2bot's behaviour. Aug 21 14:52:30 heh, no, I think dyoung is to blame Aug 21 14:52:32 right, dyoung-zzzz ? Aug 21 15:02:07 "blame" is subjective. Aug 21 15:02:13 hehe Aug 21 15:02:50 test Aug 21 15:03:59 hm.. I wonder what I managed to do now... oh well.. Aug 21 15:04:09 DaKa: We do too ;) Aug 21 15:04:22 lets see if I break the entire OE MT... Aug 21 15:04:46 hmm... ok? What'd you do now? ;) Aug 21 15:05:37 I *think* everything is going to work out fine.. Aug 21 15:05:50 We'll see about that :P Aug 21 15:06:41 if not, I don't think anyone in #oe is from sweden, so I don't think anyone will track me down and kill me Aug 21 15:07:22 I just disslike getting 15 revs out on a simple commit, and it stalling for 3 minutes.. Aug 21 15:08:15 oh well.. there it finished.. lets see what CIA has to say.. Aug 21 15:09:45 oh, this looks strange... Aug 21 15:10:08 that can't me good... Aug 21 15:10:27 hm. oh.. oh well.. Aug 21 15:10:41 looks ok Aug 21 15:10:57 I dunno how I managed to tangle it up like that though: http://monotone.nslu2-linux.org/viewmtn/revision.psp?id=1a161e3d9f46581507d1542d1112d40c07481893 Aug 21 15:12:29 nice ;) Aug 21 15:12:44 * NAiL eats dunder-salt Aug 21 15:13:17 * DaKa connects to banana Aug 21 15:13:30 * blaster8 connects to internet Aug 21 15:13:34 heh Aug 21 15:14:13 I really hope it will manage to build r2 of apache... Aug 21 15:14:25 * NAiL too Aug 21 15:14:28 Aug 21 15:14:49 =) Aug 21 15:15:34 btw, if you decide you want to send me a stick, I'll send you my address ;) Aug 21 15:16:07 sure, I can send a stick or two Aug 21 15:16:52 probably have to figure how to package it, and how to send stuff to .no Aug 21 15:17:57 An envelope not unlike the hard paper cd-cover-thingys one uses to send CD's would work fine I guess Aug 21 15:18:14 yeah, guess so.. Aug 21 15:18:44 if the stick breaks, it doesn't matter. Unless of course it manages to break right beneath the chips ;) Aug 21 15:18:56 right :) Aug 21 15:19:28 Shouldn't cost much. I assume the prices you have in sweden aren't too far from ours ;) Aug 21 15:19:45 Of course, the alcohol over there is apparently going to be a lot cheaper now :-P Aug 21 15:20:01 heh, to bad I don't drink that stuff :( Aug 21 15:20:28 That's not necessarily a shame :P Aug 21 15:20:52 :p Aug 21 15:21:51 * ingeba-toandfrom contemplates the surge in productivity that would follow if people did like DaKa. Aug 21 15:22:05 hey! Aug 21 15:22:12 :) Aug 21 15:22:20 * NAiL chooses to disregard ingeba completely :P Aug 21 15:22:47 yeah, maybe I wouldn't have to correct certain people 4 times / day Aug 21 15:23:34 * ingeba-toandfrom stops listening to reason and looks forward to the next binge. Receives X-mas card from Heiniken. Aug 21 15:23:49 NAiL: I'll try to package something up and get it to you sometime early next week Aug 21 15:23:58 DaKa: Brilliant, thanks a bunch Aug 21 15:24:17 ingeba-toandfrom: Heineken was my closest neighbour when I lived in Ireland ;) Aug 21 15:24:40 Some 300+ metres of brewery just outside my door :-D Aug 21 15:25:50 NAiL: Important to have good neighbours these days. Aug 21 15:25:57 Did you take the tour every week? Aug 21 15:26:05 heh, actually, I never did Aug 21 15:26:08 I planned to Aug 21 15:26:15 but I stopped by the pub on my way home Aug 21 15:26:27 I guess I need no further explanation :P Aug 21 15:26:42 Not really... Aug 21 15:26:54 Night all - tomorrow is another day. Aug 21 15:26:56 nite Aug 21 15:27:19 nite nite Aug 21 15:28:11 * DaKa really should go to sleep, but he want's to see banana start building r2.. Aug 21 15:35:46 test Aug 21 15:39:43 re-test Aug 21 15:56:44 irssi? :) Aug 21 16:17:41 hi Aug 21 16:17:52 hi Aug 21 16:20:19 woho! the monotone pull just completed, 1 hour 10 minutes later... Aug 21 16:21:09 hahah Aug 21 16:21:11 not bad Aug 21 16:21:26 that was 17 revs in... Aug 21 16:21:43 or something like that.. Aug 21 16:22:24 just a little survey, where did you put your root file system ? Aug 21 16:22:36 (hard disk, flash, ..) Aug 21 16:23:27 two of my openslugs are on nfs, one on 40gb laptop hd Aug 21 16:24:25 both mine are harddisks Aug 21 16:24:37 although one is nonworking at the moment :( Aug 21 16:24:48 Hopefully I'll be able to fix it next week :D Aug 21 16:24:48 may be a silly question : what happen when your network is down, does the slug boot from its own mem ? Aug 21 16:25:11 yep, if it cannot find the nfs, it boots with the initrd as root Aug 21 16:25:11 if you normally boot from nfs, yes Aug 21 16:25:31 if it cannot find hd or flash it will do the same iirc Aug 21 16:25:39 yes Aug 21 16:25:53 It's a nice way to recover if you screw up. Just unplug the hdd when it boots :P Aug 21 16:26:02 * NAiL has done that a ... few times Aug 21 16:26:06 exactly :) Aug 21 16:26:42 same here, or.. I just uplug the network and turnup to a new nfs Aug 21 16:26:50 unplug* Aug 21 16:28:09 did you used turnup or d.i.y. ;-) ? Aug 21 16:28:42 turnup, it's just so nice and I couldn't do it better myself Aug 21 16:31:55 thanks, I just flashed my new nslu2 and I wonder myself what'd be better to do Aug 21 16:32:04 openslug is really fantastic ! Aug 21 16:32:35 yep :) Aug 21 16:32:45 thanks ;-) Aug 21 16:33:08 There's a lot of people doing a lot of work to keep making it better Aug 21 16:40:25 * DaKa just made a phpinfo(); on the slug with apache :) Aug 21 16:40:55 DaKa: how much space do you use ? Aug 21 16:41:07 t0mt0m: space of what? Aug 21 16:41:47 hdd: 635MB, but this is my devslug.. so... Aug 21 16:41:56 I want to test putting the root on my 32Mb flash ... Aug 21 16:42:13 depending on what you do, that should work Aug 21 16:42:36 just don't expect to be able to install that much Aug 21 16:42:52 that last commit message in nsul2-linux, does that mean that alsa-driver is broken, or just plain obsolete? Aug 21 16:43:18 it'll be a test Aug 21 16:43:29 dyoung: wasn't that just removing some old nonworking version of alsa? Aug 21 16:44:29 well... alsa-driver doesn't compile for openslug atleast Aug 21 16:44:38 I haven't done much to figure out why Aug 21 16:44:47 :( Aug 21 16:45:01 I just saw that it was broken. alsa-lib and aumix compiles though ;-) Aug 21 16:45:13 hm.. I need to find some simple php script doing lots of strange stuff... Aug 21 16:47:00 ah, nice, mysql is already packaged, and in the feed :) Aug 21 16:47:31 yes Aug 21 16:47:38 Not thoroughly tested Aug 21 16:47:44 I should probably revisit it Aug 21 16:47:52 I know it can create and use a db, atleast Aug 21 16:48:00 I wonder if there is a php4-mysql packages... Aug 21 16:49:04 and banana just started on apache Aug 21 16:49:49 woho! php compiled with --with-mysql :) Aug 21 16:50:46 but mysql has no init-script... Aug 21 16:54:02 *sigh* Aug 21 16:54:04 Yes, I know Aug 21 16:54:11 mysql was one of my early packages Aug 21 16:54:11 :) Aug 21 16:54:21 File a bug :-P Aug 21 16:54:46 and.. uhm.. should the initial mysql database be owned by root? Aug 21 16:55:00 no, it shouldn't Aug 21 16:55:10 It should be owned by the mysql user, whatever that user is called Aug 21 16:55:19 yep.. but.. it wasn't.. Aug 21 16:55:22 not on my system Aug 21 16:55:29 of course, that user should've been created by the bbclass that I still haven't written Aug 21 16:55:45 yep, but the user is created.. Aug 21 16:55:49 :) Aug 21 16:55:55 NAiL: too much to do? :-) Aug 21 16:58:05 uhm.. where is the db... I think I looked at the wrong place.. Aug 21 16:59:09 Can't remember offhand Aug 21 16:59:14 usr/share or something? Aug 21 16:59:43 hm.. do I have to create the system tables? Aug 21 17:00:12 --create-initial or something Aug 21 17:00:17 there are stuff in var/mysql so.. Aug 21 17:00:18 ah.. Aug 21 17:00:54 It really should do all the install-stuff, but I haven't really fixed that Aug 21 17:01:03 oh well, some day Aug 21 17:01:04 I fixed the insane paths and stuff Aug 21 17:01:11 :) Aug 21 17:01:42 mysql_install_db Aug 21 17:01:46 Now, if I only could get around to writing that bbclass thingy. It's gonna take forever though Aug 21 17:01:49 yes, thank you ;) Aug 21 17:02:05 But it should actually be run as the mysql user, but the mysql user doesn't have access to the dir required Aug 21 17:02:21 hah :-) Aug 21 17:02:27 chown it after? Aug 21 17:02:42 yeah, something like that Aug 21 17:02:55 because sudo mightn't be installed on all systems Aug 21 17:12:16 ok, I can create a db, a table, and insert and select stuff from it.. now lets see what php can do.. Aug 21 17:12:38 It looks like it's time for me to start hacking on the mysql .bb again then :P Aug 21 18:52:11 anyone still here ? Aug 21 18:52:51 kindof Aug 21 18:52:56 sorta Aug 21 18:53:04 ;) Aug 21 18:53:16 which time there ? Aug 21 18:53:23 03:52 Aug 21 18:53:28 GMT-10 Aug 21 18:53:45 arf ;-) Aug 21 18:53:58 just a question about the power button Aug 21 18:54:08 * NAiL hides :-P Aug 21 18:54:16 Yes? ;) Aug 21 18:54:48 hum, it seems to 'shutdown' very quickly ;-) Aug 21 18:54:51 You're running OpenSlug 2.5-beta, right? Aug 21 18:54:55 yep Aug 21 18:55:16 I made some changes to the kernel, so that pressing the powerbutton calls init to shutdown Aug 21 18:55:22 "seems to" ? Dude, theres no question about it; its rather instant. Aug 21 18:55:26 but they weren't applied until 2.6-beta Aug 21 18:56:12 dyoung: we can say so ;-) Aug 21 18:56:26 So, if you want the powerbutton to shutdown "safely", you have to upgrade to the current head Aug 21 18:56:40 but 2.6-beta isn't available on the website Aug 21 18:56:50 no, you'll have to compile it yourself Aug 21 18:56:56 (or get someone to compile it for you) Aug 21 18:57:06 but I compiled the 2.5 too Aug 21 18:57:42 I mean I haven't seen the 2.6 (I may have been too quickly on the web) Aug 21 18:57:59 making the current head is rather simple Aug 21 18:58:37 Search the wiki for MasterMakefile Aug 21 18:58:53 http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Development/MasterMakefile Aug 21 18:59:09 (and 2.$PAIR are unstable / 2.$IMPAIR are stable isn't it ?) Aug 21 18:59:15 thanks Aug 21 18:59:44 2.6-beta is unstable, yes. I wouldn't say it's very *unstable*. It just changes kernels once in a while. Aug 21 19:02:28 yep I'll compile again the 2.6. thanks Aug 21 19:02:47 I think "make openslug" will do everything you need to get the firmware and associated packages Aug 21 19:03:15 np Aug 21 19:04:12 dyoung: just a little question about cam if you've a moment Aug 21 19:16:34 yes? Aug 21 19:20:31 did you compiled the module on the slug ? Aug 21 19:21:32 I'm trying to solve include problems (asm/*.h) Aug 21 19:24:15 What cam are we talking about btw? Aug 21 19:25:00 a cam which works with spca5xx driver Aug 21 19:25:54 ok Aug 21 19:26:20 * NAiL is adding a kernel module for QuickCam messenger and Communicate right now Aug 21 19:26:20 if I remember dyoung told me that he've already used it Aug 21 19:28:27 what's the better way to add this, write a .bb file, or install gcc and all other needs on the slug ? Aug 21 19:28:51 Well, the best way for the community is definitely writing a .bb ;-) Aug 21 19:29:28 But there is a spca5xx driver in OE... doesn't that work=? Aug 21 19:31:27 WOW, I didn't seen... ok than, I really need to sleep... Aug 21 19:35:27 It should be in the unstable feed in ~30 mins or so Aug 21 19:36:05 Now, webcam-support on OpenSlug should be a tad better now Aug 21 19:36:20 pwc, spca5xx and qc-usb Aug 21 19:37:26 t0mt0m: since you've got some spca5xx camera, feel free to test the module ;-) Aug 21 19:38:35 yes, but I want to make the module myself first (I want to understand how bitbake works) Aug 21 19:41:33 Resources on bitbake: Aug 21 19:41:34 http://oe.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/bb_20file Aug 21 19:41:44 http://bitbake.berlios.de/manual/ Aug 21 19:42:04 That is a bit of it. There's *heaps* of examples to look in the source tree ;) Aug 21 19:42:09 ka6sox, morning :) Aug 21 19:42:16 vielen dank ! Aug 21 19:42:35 np Aug 21 19:43:17 t0mt0m: If you're looking for how to do kernel modules, looking at spca5xx, zd1211, qc-usb-messenger, at7c will probably help ;) Aug 21 19:44:18 yes, I just made spca5xx (old version) and I'm vi'ing the .bb file now Aug 21 19:47:23 I added spca5xx a long time ago. Aug 21 19:49:11 so you could say that "I've used it" before. :-) Aug 21 19:49:20 arf ;-) Aug 21 19:51:05 this is my first day on OpenSlug, and I'll be glad to use your work for my cam Aug 21 19:51:18 which will be 30m high ! Aug 21 19:52:41 Cool. Aug 21 19:52:55 I know the driver works; however, I dont have a good way to grab yet. Aug 21 19:57:44 ah Aug 21 20:02:38 ... Aug 21 20:02:44 'night Aug 21 20:03:39 nite Aug 21 20:12:19 morning [g2] Aug 21 20:12:41 <[g2]> hey dyoung Aug 21 20:12:47 <[g2]> how goes ? Aug 21 20:12:52 morning, [g2] :) Aug 21 20:12:58 ok Aug 21 20:13:01 <[g2]> hey NAiL ! Aug 21 20:13:07 <[g2]> I've missed you guys Aug 21 20:13:10 feeling a bit grumpy. Aug 21 20:13:17 * [g2] comforts dyoung Aug 21 20:13:33 <[g2]> I've got to go to a funeral Aug 21 20:13:48 right now? Aug 21 20:13:48 <[g2]> distant relative Aug 21 20:14:03 <[g2]> no, in the next couple days Aug 21 20:14:10 oh, comfort. Aug 21 20:14:12 I had another one this friday Aug 21 20:14:25 This has to be the worst summer ever... Aug 21 20:14:28 nearby or close; geographically? Aug 21 20:14:34 <[g2]> NAiL, that must be a record Aug 21 20:14:48 <[g2]> dyoung within several hours drive Aug 21 20:15:09 <[g2]> no island thing or I'd stop by and see you :) Aug 21 20:37:22 [g2]: How's that board of yours coming? Aug 21 20:37:43 s/coming/going/ Aug 21 20:37:57 <[g2]> it's coming along Aug 21 20:38:19 <[g2]> thing got delayed a little due to some compliance changes (just a week or two) Aug 21 20:38:28 <[g2]> I'll get the full damage control update soon Aug 21 20:38:50 oh Aug 21 20:38:52 <[g2]> I'm just *dying* to get the protos though :) Aug 21 20:38:58 me too. Aug 21 20:38:58 hehee :) Aug 21 20:39:19 since I cant get a ds-101. Aug 21 20:39:22 Can't wait until I can get one of them aswell :-) Aug 21 20:39:43 dyoung: well, get a loft, then a ds-101 :-D Aug 21 20:40:05 Hopefully, I'll have three slugs, a DS-101, a DS-101g+ and a loft within a not too long timeframe :) Aug 21 20:40:13 <[g2]> I've been playing aroud with iptables though Aug 21 20:40:46 and? Aug 21 20:43:47 <[g2]> it's been working well as far as my testing goes Aug 21 20:44:05 <[g2]> the other little toy is mini_thttpd Aug 21 20:44:33 <[g2]> I think I might want to use that a web front-end for the Loft and possibly openslug Aug 21 20:47:50 which would be neat Aug 21 20:48:05 Don't use any of them nasty closed-source cgi's ;-) Aug 21 20:48:26 "Welcome to your Lofty Dreams" Aug 21 20:48:31 <[g2]> heh Aug 21 20:48:48 "Please enter Lofty Configuration password: " Aug 21 20:49:06 <[g2]> I'm quite excited the whole deal Aug 21 20:49:21 understandably Aug 21 20:49:30 "I'm sorry, your Dream is not lofty enough; shutting down Now!" Aug 21 20:49:42 I'm excited by the possibilities of my DS-101, which is way less than lofty ;) Aug 21 20:50:19 <[g2]> only if your time is free :) Aug 21 20:50:51 <[g2]> which I can tell from the logs the DS-101 has already cost a grand :) Aug 21 20:51:07 wow, thats like 3+ lofts. Aug 21 20:51:30 haha ;-) Aug 21 20:52:03 The *possibilities* of the ds is less than those of the loft. The cost? Well.. we can hope for a donation or two, can't we? :P Aug 21 21:34:05 Compiling drivers/usb/spcadecoder.c Aug 21 21:34:06 cc1: error: invalid option `preferred-stack-boundary=2' Aug 21 21:34:09 bleh Aug 21 21:34:15 spca5xx doesn't compile Aug 21 21:36:11 * NAiLzzz removes from packages and goes to sleep Aug 21 21:47:20 eh? Aug 21 21:47:23 Oh well. Aug 21 21:47:33 it worked before. :-) Aug 21 23:27:34 woho!, apache actually built, and is in the feed! Aug 21 23:30:27 and apache+php+mysql seems to works :) Aug 21 23:30:54 so we have a lamp server! Aug 21 23:31:05 yes :) Aug 21 23:31:25 it needs testing.. and probably cleaning up Aug 21 23:31:28 but, it works Aug 21 23:31:55 now I'm running php as a cgi, not an apache module Aug 21 23:32:05 ah Aug 21 23:32:07 dunno what we really want Aug 21 23:32:21 which one is less memory intensive? Aug 21 23:32:33 really good question Aug 21 23:32:42 now I just used what was already in OE Aug 21 23:34:17 php as a cgi makes things slow Aug 21 23:34:25 so.. we probably want a module Aug 21 23:34:51 if you can get it into a module that would probably have a smaller footprint. Aug 21 23:35:21 yup, and can be loaded all the time, no no need to start a new process every time Aug 21 23:35:34 right Aug 21 23:36:07 we shall see what happens with devslug and iMic tommorrow. Aug 21 23:36:30 :) Aug 21 23:37:02 everything is there now. Aug 21 23:58:09 right.. Im supposed to be at work in -58 minutes, and I guess thats a bit too impossible... Aug 21 23:58:12 bbl Aug 22 00:01:01 ugh... Aug 22 00:01:04 cya! **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Aug 22 02:59:56 2005