**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Aug 24 02:59:56 2005 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Aug 24 03:13:02 2005 Aug 24 06:57:07 hmm Aug 24 06:57:23 does anyone know who wrote this patch: http://nslu.sourceforge.net/downloads/ixp425_eth.c.patch Aug 24 06:57:59 and why it was necessary to rewrite about half of the driver :) Aug 24 09:04:27 hi Aug 24 09:06:53 lo Aug 24 09:19:54 NAiL: What do I do to restore a delete file in monotone? update doesn't do it, but fail with an error. Aug 24 09:20:01 s/delete/deleted/ Aug 24 09:20:32 mt revert? Aug 24 09:21:11 that brings the file back to the status before editing. Probably can restore a deleted file too Aug 24 09:21:41 if it's committed, you'll need to disapprove the revision Aug 24 09:31:18 Not committed - will do. Aug 24 09:31:23 (not home now) Aug 24 10:22:05 <[g2]-away> blaster8, hey Aug 24 10:22:11 hey there Aug 24 10:22:27 some issues with iptables Aug 24 10:22:37 which led me to look at the ixp ethernet drivers Aug 24 10:22:38 <[g2]> so what's up with the ixp425_eth.c patch ? Aug 24 10:22:47 well, I was wondering what it was doing? Aug 24 10:23:01 it's practically a rewrite :) Aug 24 11:47:57 ByronT: the serial kit is working great! Aug 24 11:48:07 woot! Aug 24 11:48:14 btw, there is one caveat Aug 24 11:48:42 if you've got the cable plugged into the slug - the slug will only boot if the usb is plugged in as well Aug 24 11:48:59 that explains a lot :) Aug 24 11:50:00 I'm modifying some of the cables here to put a 100K resistor tied from Pin 1 of J2 to Pin 2 - which should allow a "floating" USB cable connected to slug to still boot Aug 24 11:50:02 on that topic, I was wondering if it was possible to reset the usb bus eventhough the usbcore is built statically in the kernel? Aug 24 11:55:52 <[g2]> blaster8 are you planning on playing with the CSR stuff ? Aug 24 11:56:15 Reset the bus to do what? Aug 24 11:56:34 don't think I have the time [g2] Aug 24 11:56:49 <[g2]> I know how that feels :) Aug 24 11:57:08 <[g2]> you know that stuff came from here right ? http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=970193&group_id=74209&atid=544386 Aug 24 12:00:53 <[g2]> koen how's openslug'ing going ? Aug 24 12:02:02 [g2]: it's not idiot proof yet ;) Aug 24 12:02:11 <[g2]> heh Aug 24 12:02:26 <[g2]> we are trying to make it more user friendly :) Aug 24 12:03:37 * koen will reflash tomorrow Aug 24 12:03:49 <[g2]> nod. Aug 24 12:03:58 <[g2]> what are you playing with ? Aug 24 12:04:12 koen, I've also found that the serial can be susceptible to noise... you might want to shorten the non-shielded end of the cable as much as possible Aug 24 12:04:58 I'll trust the twist for the moment Aug 24 12:05:50 Tiersten, my usb to i2c hub is a bit flaky so I sometime need to reset it but It's not a big deal. I usually reboot the slug instead. Aug 24 12:05:52 <[g2]> ByronT, did you give koen JTAG too ? Aug 24 12:06:02 uh oh Aug 24 12:06:04 the J word Aug 24 12:06:14 [g2], nope.... just serial cables here Aug 24 12:06:31 <[g2]> so just a serial mod Aug 24 12:07:43 "just" a serial mod.... I'm darn proud of that serial cable! Aug 24 12:07:52 hmmph! Aug 24 12:08:10 It's a darn nice one! Aug 24 12:08:22 <[g2]> serial is very nice Aug 24 12:09:12 VoodooZ_Work: I think you can tell it to "unplug" a device but you can't tell it to "replug" if you know what I mean Aug 24 12:09:18 so it's not that useful Aug 24 12:09:30 does reload the driver for your device not work? Aug 24 12:09:57 Tiersten, nice. that would do just fine. Aug 24 12:10:11 well, I'm using usblib for now so ... Aug 24 12:10:49 how'd that help though? Aug 24 12:11:07 it's appear that the device has disappeared but you can't make it reappear without unplugging it and plugging it back in Aug 24 12:11:18 yep. that's the symptom Aug 24 12:13:05 lemme see if I'm remembering it correctly Aug 24 12:15:01 you probably need the usb utils for that though right? Aug 24 12:26:47 VoodooZ_Work: Appears you can't do it Aug 24 12:27:10 oh well, not a big deal. Aug 24 12:27:21 Eventually my code will be more stable. Aug 24 12:27:50 Your code? You wrote the driver for this thing yourself? Aug 24 12:27:52 I just have to make the I2C reading code more resilient as a brain-dead i2c slave stalls everything. Aug 24 12:28:01 No timeouts? Aug 24 12:28:06 not really no. Aug 24 12:28:18 we're talking about an 8-bit micro with tight ram req Aug 24 12:28:44 You can't spare a couple of bytes of RAM as temp storage at all? Aug 24 12:29:02 well, the AVRUSB project did the whole USB software on avr thing and I used to read an i2c bus. Aug 24 12:29:53 of course but I didn't get around to doing timeouts yet as there's tight time restriction with that software USB thing. Aug 24 12:30:10 How does it wait for a response? Aug 24 12:30:12 I'll start by adding watchdogs to my slaves. Aug 24 12:30:40 I have to call their usbPoll() routine in the mainloop . Aug 24 12:31:00 it takes cares of everything. (it does use interrupts to detect usb line changes. Aug 24 12:31:07 I mean the I2C lines Aug 24 12:31:15 You just spin in a big loop or something? Aug 24 12:31:37 yeah, my i2c library is kind of cheap but it worked for all my other projects. Aug 24 12:32:03 But it's barebone because of small micros i use for sensors. Aug 24 12:32:17 Hack it so that it increments a 8/16 bit counter each time it goes around? If > timeout then return some error value? Aug 24 12:32:30 yeah. that's the easiest way. Aug 24 12:32:41 Or I can use a spare timer. Aug 24 12:33:09 that and a watchdog should make it pretty robust. Aug 24 12:33:57 Although a watchdog on my motor controller i2c board is not as useful as a reset would cause the odometry (x,y,theta) to be lost which would confuse my slug. Aug 24 12:34:24 I could probably save it to EEPROM every few cycles though and fetch it on reboot. we'll see how solid it is. Aug 24 12:34:53 btw, does EEPROM cope well with lots of writes? I can't remember. Aug 24 12:37:05 No. It's the same as flash in that it wears out from doing too many erase cycles Aug 24 12:37:24 ok. that's what I thought. no go then. Aug 24 12:37:34 That will force me to write more stable code anyways! :) Aug 24 12:38:13 well. you could enable the watchdog once you send a request out and only turn it off when you receive something Aug 24 12:38:27 doing a counter and failing gracefully with an error is probably better for your application Aug 24 12:39:00 yep. good idea Aug 24 12:39:10 yep. Aug 24 12:39:18 definitely Aug 24 12:39:52 just restarting because the watchdog kicked in will probably make USB go even more nuts :) Aug 24 12:40:22 aside from these i2c stall errors the USB hub works real good. and is reasonably fast (1-5ms for 1-40bytes) Aug 24 12:40:30 yeah. Aug 24 12:41:30 anyways, I have to leave work now as I have a chiro appointment. we'll get back on later from home. Aug 24 12:41:52 k. bye Aug 24 12:41:54 Thanks for the suggestions. much appreciated. I get "blind" after staring at the problem for too long. Aug 24 12:41:56 later Aug 24 13:26:10 blaster8, that patch is so eth425 will compile under 2.6 . its not supported AT ALL under 2.6, its a minor miracle it was made to even work. Aug 24 13:26:35 got it - that's what I thought Aug 24 13:27:06 unfortunately, that minor miracle probably comes with a netfilter bug too :( Aug 24 13:28:01 we could go back to 2.4. Aug 24 13:28:30 Are you sure thats the bug? Because the nf_patch is applied pre-2.6-ifying Aug 24 13:28:50 Or if you know where to look, it shouldnt be that bad to fix. Aug 24 13:29:20 Unforuntately I don't know where to look - and am not a fan of the 2.4-series :) Aug 24 13:29:43 basically, we have an issue where ip_dst_cache fills up very quickly Aug 24 13:32:43 <[g2]> blaster8, there's an outstanding netfilter bug ? Aug 24 13:33:04 well, the ip_dst_cache thing is a symptom of lots of netfilter bugs Aug 24 13:33:40 just look at http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en-us&q=ip_dst_cache&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 Aug 24 13:34:54 <[g2]> http://lkml.org/lkml/2005/1/27/158 this ? Aug 24 13:35:18 I saw that, but it 'officially' has been fixed Aug 24 13:35:43 <[g2]> are you seeing that kind of behaviour ? Aug 24 13:36:02 I haven't tested connection tracking or NAT heavily Aug 24 13:36:16 Matta is the person with the issue Aug 24 13:36:50 <[g2]> I missed the issue, but I haven't checked the logs Aug 24 13:37:05 check #nslu2-linux earlier today Aug 24 13:43:24 <[g2]> blaster8, it looks like ipv6 is installed Aug 24 13:43:29 <[g2]> for Matta Aug 24 13:43:41 <[g2]> ipv6 191488 12 Aug 24 13:43:45 indeed Aug 24 13:44:18 should he try removing it to see if that resolves the issue? Aug 24 13:44:28 ipv6 is working like a charm on my slug Aug 24 13:44:33 <[g2]> I'm wondering if it's an IPV6 issue or something related to having multiple IP addrs on the same eth device Aug 24 13:44:35 (till I messed up the rootfs) Aug 24 13:44:44 <[g2]> heh Aug 24 13:44:45 that's also odd... Aug 24 13:44:51 koen, thank goodness for serial then? Aug 24 13:44:54 ;) Aug 24 13:45:01 indeed Aug 24 13:45:02 <[g2]> koen, are you running iptables/netfilter ? Aug 24 13:45:22 not yet Aug 24 13:45:54 <[g2]> are you using ipv6 natively or is there an ipv4 addr on the box ? Aug 24 13:46:46 via a tunnel Aug 24 13:47:04 <[g2]> blaster8, I've got a USB ethernet(s) device Aug 24 13:47:07 <[g2]> koen, thx Aug 24 13:47:23 you'll need the real ifupdown to get it to work Aug 24 13:47:28 [g2] you could do well to test the NAT functionality Aug 24 13:47:41 <[g2]> it's on my list :) Aug 24 13:47:53 <[g2]> the Loft has dual etherenets onboard :) Aug 24 14:12:27 <[g2]> blaster8 two things Aug 24 14:12:34 k Aug 24 14:12:34 <[g2]> 1) thx for the heads-up on the issue Aug 24 14:12:44 no worries - sorry not to be of more help Aug 24 14:13:19 <[g2]> 2) I've got a usb-ethernet adapter and we should be able to verify that the problem is with the ixp driver and not the kernel proper Aug 24 14:13:47 <[g2]> as the usbnet driver (I've got 2 plus a third different adapter) Aug 24 14:14:19 <[g2]> I've been thinking about the 1.5 code a little as I think the 1.5 code and 2.0 version run LE Aug 24 14:14:41 <[g2]> that coupled with a LE toolchain would allow for a straigt debian build Aug 24 14:14:49 <[g2]> and APEX which supports LE Aug 24 14:15:13 I agree that the latest eth code really needs to be ported Aug 24 14:16:19 Its not impossible Aug 24 14:16:27 but it is a major undertaking Aug 24 14:17:02 the question is whether to go back to 2.4.x :) Aug 24 14:17:12 <[g2]> no way Aug 24 14:17:49 <[g2]> one question would be to back-port this fix Aug 24 14:18:23 which part of the ixp code is proprietary? Aug 24 14:18:44 <[g2]> I think the CSR stuff mostly Aug 24 14:19:13 CSR? Aug 24 14:19:28 ixp400 is under intel license. Aug 24 14:21:40 seriously... Aug 24 14:21:47 I'm getting ~30 hits per sec Aug 24 14:21:53 for a 27mb file. Aug 24 14:22:03 * LagNAiL just moved the darn file out of the way and restarted apache Aug 24 14:23:24 whaddayaknow Aug 24 14:23:37 Those damn bashtids have found a new target Aug 24 14:25:15 Someone is targetting my server for some reason Aug 24 14:25:44 too much coca cola Aug 24 14:25:56 combine that with a few 13 year old scriptkiddies Aug 24 14:26:20 possible Aug 24 14:27:41 Ok, anyone remember php redirect offhand? Aug 24 14:27:54 what about it? Aug 24 14:28:07 How do I write a redirect header? Aug 24 14:28:26 Just want to redirect the ones that legitimately hit it to a page explaining that the mirror is offline Aug 24 14:28:29 Or use mod_rewrite Aug 24 14:28:42 thx Aug 24 14:28:50 ?> Aug 24 14:28:55 forgot that at the end of the line Aug 24 14:30:50 yeah Aug 24 14:32:15 ok, now it works Aug 24 14:33:49 who is sending them there? Aug 24 14:33:52 got any referrers? Aug 24 14:34:06 It's a few ip's repeating Aug 24 14:34:23 no, referrer log is switched off Aug 24 14:34:26 for some reason Aug 24 14:34:59 Does look like zombies to me Aug 24 14:35:29 Israel, some eastern europe country, Equador Aug 24 14:36:03 why are they downloading that file over and over again? you pissed somebody off? Aug 24 14:36:22 It's down to ~20 hits/sec now Aug 24 14:36:45 No idea. If I pissed someone off, they haven't been polite enough to tell me though Aug 24 14:37:16 It looks like a somewhat random attack Aug 24 14:37:45 now, if only iptables were installed on that server... Aug 24 14:39:37 those AppleScript kiddies! Aug 24 14:40:21 hehe Aug 24 14:40:55 one in russia too, I see Aug 24 14:41:15 annoying... Aug 24 14:41:37 wellwell, atleast now it's not affecting the ipkg mirror Aug 24 14:43:34 * NAiL looks at the bandwidth and load... 600kbps traffic on a nearly-blank page. Load: 0.02 Aug 24 15:09:54 is anybody running mpd on openslug? Aug 24 15:10:05 it crashes here with SIGABRT Aug 24 15:10:17 hmm, not that I know Aug 24 15:13:18 cat /bin/bash > /dev/dsp works though :) Aug 24 15:13:29 haha Aug 24 15:13:38 strace it? Aug 24 15:18:40 no need for that, got a core dump Aug 24 15:19:14 it go Aug 24 15:19:19 it goes back to /usr/lib/ao/plugins-2/liboss.so Aug 24 15:20:51 I'll build madplay to check if my sound stuff works generally Aug 24 15:27:01 NAiL: are you familiar with autofoo? Aug 24 15:28:21 bb -b openembedded/packages/madplay/madplay_0.15.2b.bb stops at a strange point while configuring Aug 24 15:29:10 nope Aug 24 15:35:35 ingeba-away: ping? Aug 24 15:36:03 Nail: Very brief pong - on my way to bed Aug 24 15:36:11 i'm planning on using ucslugc on my nslu2 with only the samba package will it fit on ? Aug 24 15:36:33 and will the mastermake compile on centos4? Aug 24 15:36:35 ingeba-away: there's a /new/ ds101 yahoo group. ds101-linux ;-) Aug 24 15:36:50 conveniently named the same as the rest of my project :P Aug 24 15:36:57 NAiL: Great - I saw the wiki ! Good show! Aug 24 15:37:16 ingeba-away: Things are moving fast. Too bad I don't have a ds right now. Going to buy one tomorrow. Aug 24 15:37:33 NAiL: This processor in the new one - what is it really? Aug 24 15:37:43 ingeba-away: the ppc? Aug 24 15:38:04 NAiL: It is? The new one with ATA out. Aug 24 15:38:15 SATA Aug 24 15:38:27 ingeba-away: S-ATA, you mean? The ds101 g+ has sata and gblan. It's PPC. Aug 24 15:38:43 The specs are available at the synology site, or on the wiki Aug 24 15:38:57 erh.. "specs".. the *name* is... Aug 24 15:39:22 does anyone here run a kuro box? Aug 24 15:39:26 NAiL: Yes - I wil have a look. It means a "new" platform (in the sense of "new to NSLU2 community, but not to OpenEmbedded I guess) Aug 24 15:39:29 i seriously like the look of those Aug 24 15:39:40 gilesw: No, but I am hacking a very similary box Aug 24 15:39:54 ingeba-away: Yes. I want one of those, but that'll have to wait a bit... Aug 24 15:40:07 i almost decided to go giga Aug 24 15:40:07 gilesw: ucslugc + samba fit? I would most certaintly think so. Aug 24 15:40:15 but it would cost a lot Aug 24 15:40:27 gilesw: go giga? Does the kuro have gblan? Aug 24 15:40:30 i bought a switch but i've found out it doesn't do jumbo packets grr Aug 24 15:40:34 NAiL: Want one too, but priorities. Gotta have a job first Aug 24 15:40:34 ya there's a new ver Aug 24 15:40:59 ingeba-away: know the feeling. Hope I get into the EE course this year... Studielån+stipend! ;) Aug 24 15:41:03 gilesw: neat! :D Aug 24 15:41:08 gilesw: Got any specs? Aug 24 15:41:49 http://www.tomsnetworking.com/Reviews-171-ProdID-KUROBOX.php Aug 24 15:41:52 thats the old ver Aug 24 15:41:59 NAiL: Either Dutch PhD (which means almost no money) or obscene amounts of money in the computer biz in Norway Aug 24 15:42:16 https://www.revolutionstore.com/revogear/productView.asp?productID=2 Aug 24 15:42:33 that pic did make me dribble Aug 24 15:42:43 but i doubt i could get one for the uk Aug 24 15:42:52 Ah, Aug 24 15:43:00 Wow - $190 - not bad Aug 24 15:43:08 no hd Aug 24 15:43:11 gilesw: that's pretty much the same as the ds101g+, except it's got more ram Aug 24 15:43:20 (and one less usb-port) Aug 24 15:43:27 ya i am torn Aug 24 15:43:36 i just cut my resistor on my slug tonight.. Aug 24 15:43:44 i'm only going to be using it for mp3 though Aug 24 15:44:05 i have a local hd in my downloading epia box i just built Aug 24 15:44:11 the ds is unfortunately more pricey. But it's got a webinterface that rocks ;) Aug 24 15:44:22 one thing i can say is that laptop hd's are the way forward for silence Aug 24 15:44:25 I'm using my slug for torrents. Works great ;-) Aug 24 15:44:43 NAiL: Really - screens + ctorrent? Aug 24 15:44:49 btlib? Aug 24 15:44:57 ingeba-away: screens - ctorrent - cron ;-) Aug 24 15:45:06 ingeba-away: no, that's for rtorrent Aug 24 15:45:07 yea i'm not sure it'd have enough juice for me to run xmule vncserver and dc++ Aug 24 15:45:12 Openslug? Aug 24 15:45:15 yes Aug 24 15:45:21 ingeba-away: there's a "howto" on the wiki Aug 24 15:45:25 What does the cron job do? Aug 24 15:45:34 checks a samba-share for new torrents Aug 24 15:45:39 Neat! Aug 24 15:45:51 It even moves stuff back when finished ;-) Aug 24 15:46:14 The script is *very* basic though Aug 24 15:46:22 REMA1000? Aug 24 15:46:22 But it works (more or less) Aug 24 15:46:28 hahaha, yes ;-) Aug 24 15:46:51 I wonder... Aug 24 15:47:09 How many simultaneous torrents can you run? I guess you have non-fattened slug. Aug 24 15:47:13 I think the IDE-controller in the ds101 can support two hds... Aug 24 15:47:20 ingeba-away: No problems with four-five Aug 24 15:47:24 Yes, it should Aug 24 15:47:31 NAiL: Oh, ok - way too little for me. Aug 24 15:47:52 ingeba-away: reduce the cache size to 1mb or so, and you can probably get some 10-15 ;-) Aug 24 15:48:04 I'm running a *heap* of services on the slug Aug 24 15:48:05 Yes, almost enough. Aug 24 15:48:35 The default cache size was 16mb Aug 24 15:48:39 Will the cache be RAM-fixed and take up room even on inactive torrents Aug 24 15:48:58 ...or be swapped out/released Aug 24 15:49:02 it won't take up anything until it's downloading... dunno when it goes inactive though Aug 24 15:49:14 My problem is seeding a large number of mostly inactive torrents Aug 24 15:49:49 mpd is outdated and libao with from 2003 :-/ Aug 24 15:49:51 well, someone is trying to get rtorrent working Aug 24 15:49:57 s/with/is Aug 24 15:50:10 that has multi-torrent support.. probably better for your needs ;) Aug 24 15:50:29 malfi: I can have a look at it Aug 24 15:50:49 I try to get the latest version running and will come back to you, if it works :) Aug 24 15:50:58 Yes, I think so too. Considered fattening, but too expensive to buy chips by the pcs. Probably have plenty of modules, but can't solder them off without ruining them Aug 24 15:51:36 ingeba-away: yeah, it's not very easy :( Aug 24 15:51:42 ingeba-away: the ds101 has 64mb though :P Aug 24 15:51:51 or [g2]'s loft :) Aug 24 15:52:10 NAiL: Gotta sleep - been working all day and topped it off by seeing my local team mess it up agains *Belgians*. Oh Lord, what have I done to deserve this... Aug 24 15:52:39 ingeba-away: rbk made champions league ;) Aug 24 15:52:46 Rubbing it in, are we? Aug 24 15:52:57 'enga fan, are we? ;) Aug 24 15:53:06 No bloody choice, do I? Aug 24 15:53:11 What else? Aug 24 15:53:12 rofl Aug 24 15:53:16 Lyn :-D Aug 24 15:53:19 rbk pwns enga :P Aug 24 15:53:34 well.. I don't watch much football actually Aug 24 15:53:38 Hrmf. Ajax probby messes it up too... Aug 24 15:54:03 That will mean huge amount of spare time on Wednesdays, though. Alway look at the bright side... Aug 24 15:54:11 hahah, yeah Aug 24 15:54:17 wellwell, sleep tight Aug 24 15:54:26 nighty night Aug 24 15:58:16 malfi: updated mpd compiles Aug 24 15:58:52 really? 0.11.5? Aug 24 15:59:10 yes Aug 24 15:59:18 I broke my setup and I don't know why Aug 24 15:59:30 Trying to update libao. Will recompile mpd afterwards. Aug 24 15:59:35 every autofoo based package aborts while compiling with: automake: unknown warning category `cross' Aug 24 16:04:32 hmm Aug 24 16:04:36 no idea about that... Aug 24 16:04:54 very strange Aug 24 16:05:20 libao compiles (with a small fix) Aug 24 16:06:06 could you provide me the ipkgs? Aug 24 16:06:27 They'll be in the feed shortly. You in a hurry? ;) Aug 24 16:06:44 not really Aug 24 16:07:35 It's all committed, so it should be compiled on the next autobuild run Aug 24 16:08:02 do you know if the changed something at the staging tools (i.e. automake) in the last week? Aug 24 16:08:17 ./openslug/tmp/staging/i686-linux/bin/automake --version is 1.9.3 here Aug 24 16:09:20 Not that I can see Aug 24 16:10:44 01:08 < CIA-4> nail org.oe.dev * rd1519ff3... /packages/musicpd/mpd_0.11.5.bb: Update mpd to latest version Aug 24 16:10:47 01:08 < CIA-4> nail org.oe.dev * r9fd4fd7a... /packages/libao/libao_0.8.6.bb: Update libao to latest version Aug 24 16:12:31 thank you Aug 24 16:13:27 np Aug 24 16:14:05 You can look at http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/buildlogs/autobuild-nudi-last.txt and see if it has built it ;) Aug 24 16:18:06 nevermind, stupid me Aug 24 16:18:48 someone in #oe told me to change a line in classes/autotools.class, that worked for my problem but all other packages broke :) Aug 24 16:18:54 hahaha Aug 24 16:20:43 I'm thinking about getting a wrv54g, it's like a wlan-slug without usb :) (full featured ixp425) Aug 24 16:21:03 hah: NOTE: package mpd-0.11.5: completed Aug 24 16:21:29 it's in the feed too ;) Aug 24 16:24:01 wow, it's already mirrored at http://sources.nslu2-linux.org/sources/libao-0.8.6.tar.gz? Aug 24 16:26:08 should be that, yes Aug 24 16:41:27 * malfi cheers. Aug 24 16:41:47 My slug plays mp3s (below 1% cpu usage, wow) Aug 24 16:41:55 nice. Write a howto ;) Aug 24 16:42:20 there is already one http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/SlugAsAudioPlayer Aug 24 16:42:32 ah, cool Aug 24 16:42:36 and all the problems I encountered should be solved by the new version of mpd Aug 24 16:42:41 good Aug 24 16:43:03 I'm working on getting a lot of stuff pushed to stable too Aug 24 16:43:16 now my slug can wake me up every morning with internet radio and stuff like that :) Aug 24 16:44:39 haha, brilliant Aug 24 16:44:43 got this soundcard http://creative.com/products/product.asp?category=1&subcategory=207&product=154 Aug 24 16:45:07 sound quality is brilliant Aug 24 16:45:22 cool Aug 24 16:45:47 and it's the only usb sound card from creative labs that doesn't need a power supply for it's own Aug 24 16:47:27 hmm Aug 24 16:47:33 maybe I should get one ;) Aug 24 16:47:53 I'm hoping to integrate a slug into my reciever sooner or later ;) Aug 24 16:48:36 there are much cheaper sound cards but that one got already golden RCA jacks Aug 24 16:55:46 NOTE: package aumix-2.8: completed Aug 24 16:57:38 aumix should be in the feed? Aug 24 16:57:47 it works Aug 24 16:57:55 would be nice, yes Aug 24 16:58:00 I thought I added it? Aug 24 16:58:15 oops Aug 24 16:58:41 too much wine, sorry Aug 24 17:00:05 ah my last make update was 6 days ago, and there isn't aumix Aug 24 17:00:18 hehe **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Aug 24 17:00:41 2005 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Aug 24 17:00:41 2005 Aug 24 17:03:28 so, now is the hardwaremixer working, now I'm highly pleased **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Aug 24 17:04:20 2005 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Aug 24 17:04:39 2005 Aug 24 17:19:33 I added a small note for this sound blaster at http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/SlugAsAudioPlayer Aug 24 17:20:14 cool Aug 24 17:39:49 make ucslugc running... guess i'll see if it works in the morning Aug 24 17:39:52 nite peeps Aug 24 17:40:58 aaargh Aug 24 17:41:16 make openslug-2.5-beta wrecked my build dir Aug 24 17:41:25 started to move stuff around and symlinking to ../common Aug 24 17:42:40 why do you build openslug-2.5 ? Aug 24 17:42:53 Because I am going to update the feed Aug 24 17:43:12 I'm the "OpenSlug Package Manager". Aug 24 17:43:23 <[g2]-away> and he ROCKS! Aug 24 17:43:36 [g2]-away: thanks *blush* Aug 24 17:44:22 <[g2]-away> malfi thx for writing up the SlugAsAudioPlayer ! Aug 24 17:44:44 Yeah, I think I'll get myself a creative usb-thingy myself Aug 24 17:44:49 Hopefully this friday :D Aug 24 17:46:16 I'm really surprised how well this works. I don't hear any difference to my soundblaster platinum... Aug 24 17:46:22 Hmm... I'm tempted to make a mod to the 2.6-beta firmware, that instructs the users when they log in that they should do a "ipkg update && ipkg upgrade" as soon as the network is set up properly (Only after turnup of course) Aug 24 17:46:53 go for it :) Aug 24 17:47:03 hehe, later :P Aug 24 17:47:32 <[g2]> malfi so the Creative doesn't need a power supply eh ? Aug 24 17:47:36 no Aug 24 17:47:49 it doesn't need one Aug 24 17:48:12 <[g2]> cool... my product (Loft) does POE so I could just hang it off that at the end of the cable Aug 24 17:48:13 the audigy and extigy both need a power supply Aug 24 17:48:51 but I don't need 7.1 on my slug :P Aug 24 17:49:08 Know if the SB Live 24! will work? Aug 24 17:49:23 <[g2]> 2.1 is fine :) Aug 24 17:49:29 it will quite sure, I thought about that one too, but it doesn't have RCA jacks Aug 24 17:50:11 aha Aug 24 17:51:18 I think that live thing is almost the same Aug 24 17:51:51 you mean that http://creative.com/products/product.asp?category=1&subcategory=207&product=10246? Aug 24 17:51:58 http://creative.com/products/product.asp?category=1&subcategory=207&product=10246 Aug 24 17:52:05 withouth the questionmark Aug 24 17:53:02 this one: http://creative.com/products/product.asp?category=1&subcategory=206&product=10702 Aug 24 17:53:42 36 updated ipkgs in the stable feed ;) Aug 24 17:54:53 ah Aug 24 17:54:57 Now it should be more or less possible to get sound on a stable slug too Aug 24 17:55:15 dunno, but I don't think that there are any creative labs soundcards that aren't supported by linux Aug 24 17:55:32 (requiring a kernel recompile, but the packages are there) Aug 24 17:56:12 If you don't need 5.1 and 24hz, go for the cheeper mp3+ with the RCA-Jacks, I would say... Aug 24 17:58:13 Doesn't seem to be many distributors carrying mp3+ or your thingy Aug 24 17:59:47 http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=sound+blaster+mp3%2B&btnG=Search+Froogle Aug 24 18:00:18 I was hoping to find someone here in Norway ;) Aug 24 18:01:00 is there no ebay.no ? Aug 24 18:01:08 It looks like *noone* is selling the mp3+ in norway Aug 24 18:02:15 no, I don't think there is an ebay.no. Atleast not yet Aug 24 18:02:17 the norwegian people are so rich that they only sell the audigy :) Aug 24 18:02:40 haha Aug 24 18:04:06 a friend of mine is from oslo and studies here medicin, she got so much money from the norwegian eduction support (don't know what the exact name is) she thought about buying a bike but she rather calls a cab all the time ;) Aug 24 18:04:23 hehe, yeah Aug 24 18:04:34 It's called "Lånekassen" Aug 24 18:05:02 And hopefully they'll provide what I need to survive the next year without working ;-) Aug 24 18:05:25 tsss ;) Aug 24 18:10:24 is the switch to LE really considered or just an planned optional make target? Aug 24 18:13:18 That's outside my territory ;) Aug 24 18:15:21 whose territory is it then? Aug 24 18:16:14 Well, the guys that know a bit more about how the hardware works. Dunno who might be working on it. I know it's needed for DebianSlug Aug 24 18:16:54 what did I miss? Aug 24 18:17:37 malfi got sound working on the slug Aug 24 18:18:01 I'm probably not the first, there was a howto on the wiki... Aug 24 18:19:14 I fixed several endian issues in mISDN but it still doesn't work. If openslug were LE, all the drivers would automagically work and won't need some esoteric fixes. Aug 24 18:19:23 what kind of device? Aug 24 18:19:40 hfc-s usb Aug 24 18:19:45 not the griffin iMic? Aug 24 18:19:47 oh Aug 24 18:20:00 the sound or the isdn device? which do you mean? Aug 24 18:20:43 sound device is http://creative.com/products/product.asp?category=1&subcategory=207&product=154 aka SB MP3+ USB Aug 24 18:21:40 this is the Griffin device: http://www.griffintechnology.com/products/imic/ Aug 24 18:22:17 * NAiL fixes syslog-ng Aug 24 18:22:47 Aug 25 03:08:15 maimedslug syslog-ng[1199]: syslog-ng version 1.6.8 starting Aug 24 18:22:57 It even *works* :D Aug 24 18:23:14 Now I can set up my slug to recieve logs from everywhere Aug 24 18:23:21 maimed slug lives again? Aug 24 18:23:33 maimedslug never died Aug 24 18:23:46 maimedslug was the one I cut open to insert a LCD-display Aug 24 18:23:52 oh Aug 24 18:24:01 so he's missing some skin Aug 24 18:24:09 what's maimedslug? Aug 24 18:24:14 And broke one usb-port on trying to solder some stuff :( Aug 24 18:24:37 malfi: maimedslug is my "production" slug. Running 2.5-beta, serving my network in all possible ways. Aug 24 18:24:38 we name our slugs.... I've had LightningSlug, ProdSlug, FrankenSlug..... Aug 24 18:25:03 FrankSlug, got any pictures? ;P Aug 24 18:25:07 It became maimedslug when I sawed out a part of the case to insert a hd44780 LCD-display Aug 24 18:25:08 ProdSlug Replacement, NudishSlug... Aug 24 18:25:51 Hmm, I think, I should get some champagne and baptise my slug ;) Aug 24 18:26:05 heh Aug 24 18:26:12 use a "damp cloth" then ;) Aug 24 18:26:23 hehe Aug 24 18:27:32 I think I will just call my slug lackadaisicalslug, lol Aug 24 18:27:43 ByronT: My DevSlug shipped yet? :D Aug 24 18:28:02 didn't get a chance to run down to the post office today Aug 24 18:28:10 ok Aug 24 18:28:14 I will tomorrow though... Scout's honor Aug 24 18:28:26 heh, no worries, I'm just curious ;) Aug 24 18:28:29 brb, wife calling for help with the boy.... Aug 24 18:28:32 since we were discussing slugs Aug 24 18:30:11 I guess I should go to bed soonish Aug 24 18:30:19 as my slug feels so lonely at the moment, I ordered a WGT634U today. Maybe I can get OE running on that beast too... Aug 24 18:30:45 is Norway CEST? Aug 24 18:30:55 yup Aug 24 18:31:01 so it's 3.30 Aug 24 18:31:08 same here :) Aug 24 18:31:25 where you at? Aug 24 18:31:28 Berlin Aug 24 18:31:33 ah Aug 24 18:32:31 I kind of own a building somewhere in downtown Berlin, if I'm willing to claim it. Aug 24 18:32:59 nice, you have to come to Berlin, it's great for party around :) Aug 24 18:33:11 have you ever been to berlin? Aug 24 18:33:11 hehe, yeah Aug 24 18:33:21 Twice, but that's a *loong* time ago Aug 24 18:33:37 I have relatives in the Rhein valley Aug 24 18:33:50 ah Aug 24 18:33:54 I was going to Greifswald earlier this year, but dropped it Aug 24 18:34:15 Greifswald is a really boring small university town :) Aug 24 18:34:27 I know. I had a gf there though ;-) Aug 24 18:34:39 hehe Aug 24 18:35:27 and why do you own a building in Berlin, if claim it? Aug 24 18:35:34 if you claim it... Aug 24 18:36:04 My great grandfather owned a newspaper, which was kinda critical of hitler Aug 24 18:36:28 so it was shut down, and the building was.. taken. Aug 24 18:36:51 Claiming it will be a rather lengthy process though, trials and stuff Aug 24 18:36:53 expropriated... and do you know who owns it now? Aug 24 18:37:00 No idea Aug 24 18:37:09 It'd be kinda fun to find out though Aug 24 18:37:22 do you know in which part of Berlin this building is? Aug 24 18:38:01 I know it's somewhere in the city center, but not any details. I didn't have time when the subject was mentioned earlier. Aug 24 18:40:25 you probably don't need any money, because all the norwegian people are rich, but I would try to get hold of that... ;-) Aug 24 18:40:58 "all the norwegian people are rich"? Are you aware what a pint costs over here? Aug 24 18:41:02 or cigarettes? Aug 24 18:41:35 Like.. if I go out on the town one day, it'll easily cost me like.. 150-200 EUR Aug 24 18:41:53 hmm, just a joke :-) I know that that the living costs are much higher Aug 24 18:42:03 I know ;) Aug 24 18:42:20 what do you pay for a pint? Aug 24 18:42:58 Really cheap is 5 EUR. Usually it's more like 6 or 7. Aug 24 18:43:14 at my favourite bar I pay 2 EUR for 0.4 Liters of really good beer... Aug 24 18:43:39 I'm a bit fan of some of the german weissbier Aug 24 18:44:04 Yuck! Aug 24 18:44:06 haha Aug 24 18:44:36 there is only one acceptable beer: Pils Aug 24 18:45:00 That is mainly what I drink Aug 24 18:45:46 what brands can you buy in Norway? Aug 24 18:46:03 ooh... that's a tough question Aug 24 18:47:29 Only ones I can think of right now are Tuborg, Heineken, Dahls and Erdinger. Aug 24 18:47:38 Erdinger isn't exactly *common* though :P Aug 24 18:47:41 no German beer like Becks? Aug 24 18:47:50 you can get Becks too Aug 24 18:49:46 Any other german stuff you can think of? :) Aug 24 18:50:00 except of beer, you mean? :P Aug 24 18:50:12 just beer ;) Aug 24 18:50:58 My favorite beer is Schultheiss vom Fass, but I don't think that this is available abroad... Aug 24 18:51:08 Can't say I've heard of it, no Aug 24 18:51:48 http://www.schultheiss.de/ :-) Aug 24 18:52:43 Label looks familiar Aug 24 18:52:59 it's quite common in pubs in Berlin Aug 24 18:53:49 but if I think about it, is there anything you export to Germany except of oil? Aug 24 18:54:08 I have *no* idea... students? ;) Aug 24 18:54:23 gas? Aug 24 18:54:34 yeah, crude oil Aug 24 18:55:19 gas, not oil ;) Aug 24 18:56:03 my dictionary says: crude oil == petroleum == kerosene Aug 24 18:56:13 isn't that what you get of the north sea? Aug 24 18:56:35 we get crude oil (öl?) and natural gas Aug 24 18:57:00 By a strange coincidence, öl in norwegian means what bier does in german. Aug 24 18:57:02 oh I though you mean gasoline Aug 24 18:57:18 that's funny Aug 24 18:57:29 at least you have our umlauts (or we have your's) :) Aug 24 18:57:29 yes ;) Aug 24 18:57:41 well, we use Ø actually Aug 24 18:57:50 Øl ? Aug 24 18:57:54 but ö and ø are the same more or less Aug 24 18:57:55 yes Aug 24 18:59:00 I've heard that's not that difficult for german people to learn the norwegian language, but didn't tried it Aug 24 18:59:32 It's quite similar Aug 24 19:00:00 Trying hard to remember the main difference in grammar Aug 24 19:00:01 pardon me, but it doesn't seem that usefull to learn that language, if not for living there (i.e. being hired by trolltech) *g* Aug 24 19:00:11 hahah Aug 24 19:00:16 or Atmel Aug 24 19:00:31 oh, I didn't know that they are from Norway too Aug 24 19:00:39 or Atmel's neighbour which does embedded wireless stuff Aug 24 19:01:37 Nordic VLSI Aug 24 19:01:45 /Nordic Semiconductor Aug 24 19:01:57 aha Aug 24 19:02:19 http://www.nvlsi.no/ startpage is in english.... Aug 24 19:02:47 odd :P Aug 24 19:03:32 or Opera software? :D Aug 24 19:03:43 searched the site for linux Searching for: "linux" 0 hits after searching in products. 1 hits after searching in 249 documents. Aug 24 19:04:41 It's going to be bankrupt within the next 10 years without linux support ;P Aug 24 19:05:09 I think there's support for most of their chips actually... Aug 24 19:06:44 dunno, but they should advertise with this :) Aug 24 19:06:50 yeah :( Aug 24 19:08:08 okay, I have to sleep, I'm going to see some ugly politicians tomorrow, there are elections in Germany next month and I want to see the most unsympathic politician, just to have seen him and make fun of him :) Aug 24 19:08:15 heh Aug 24 19:08:20 elections here soon too Aug 24 19:09:25 wow, I just browsed the wikipedia site of Norway... Aug 24 19:09:32 The Royal House is a branch of the princely family of Glücksburg, originally from Schleswig-Holstein in Germany. Aug 24 19:09:40 I should've known that... Aug 24 19:10:14 ;) Aug 24 19:11:30 "The government also attracted criticism for its handling of the 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake, in which several Norwegians died, with the prime minister admitting to mistakes in his government's delayed reaction to the disaster" Aug 24 19:11:42 oh yes Aug 24 19:11:48 there was an uproar Aug 24 19:12:12 I've read about that in the German newspapers, but I don't think that faking consternation is a virtue... Aug 24 19:12:24 ~dict consternation Aug 24 19:12:35 dismay Aug 24 19:12:36 argh, no jbot :P Aug 24 19:13:21 one minister was in the opera, why should she have cancled that, it wouldn't have changed anything... Aug 24 19:14:31 no, that wouldn't have changed much Aug 24 19:14:49 but they spent way too long time bringing the stuck norwegians back Aug 24 19:15:09 The swedes took a lot of norwegians with them, since we didn't send planes down Aug 24 19:16:10 Just read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_parliamentary_election%2C_2005 it's a shame how little I know about Norway... Aug 24 19:16:57 <[g2]> Nor who ?... Isn't that a flash implementation ? :) Aug 24 19:17:12 hehe Aug 24 19:17:40 <[g2]> did you see that Linux devices article ? Aug 24 19:17:47 link? Aug 24 19:17:52 <[g2]> http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS7203827694.html Aug 24 19:18:06 <[g2]> sorry for the cross-post in nslu2-linux Aug 24 19:18:48 we should get that on slashdot Aug 24 19:19:14 <[g2]> heh Aug 24 19:19:25 <[g2]> well I just thought you guys would want to know :) Aug 24 19:19:28 <[g2]> cheers Aug 24 19:19:33 5 billion visitors, there might be 1 promille people who will help out .) Aug 24 19:24:46 okay, nice talking to you, see you :-) Aug 24 19:24:50 nite :) Aug 24 19:24:52 nite Aug 25 01:31:46 morning everybody **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Aug 25 02:59:56 2005