**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Aug 31 02:59:56 2005 Aug 31 06:59:26 good belated morning koen Aug 31 07:00:37 hey ByronT Aug 31 07:05:37 I'm working on Version 2 of the serial cables.... trying to solve the hung boot when the serial cable is plugged into the slug but not into a PC Aug 31 09:37:09 lo boyz 'n gurlz Aug 31 09:37:20 hey grahame_falvey Aug 31 09:37:46 koen: gra's fine :) no need to be formal ;) Aug 31 09:41:06 I hate to sound like a broken record here to those in the #nslu2-linux chan, but can I ask, am I correct in saying that all I technically need to do is install the openslug-native package, wget the master makefile and then make build-openslug? or is there something that I am missing here? Aug 31 09:41:44 make setup Aug 31 09:41:57 and it will only build the native packages Aug 31 09:42:03 (at least it does over here) Aug 31 09:42:11 odd... Aug 31 09:42:25 ok.. I'm trying make setup again Aug 31 09:42:37 The usb-key I soldered inside my slug dies after a while Aug 31 09:42:45 rebooting fixes it Aug 31 09:43:01 this is soldered to the newly found USB ports? Aug 31 09:43:07 yes Aug 31 09:43:23 used to work previously on a normal port? Aug 31 09:43:32 hmm.. no idea :P Aug 31 09:43:38 ahhhh :) Aug 31 09:46:03 hmm... Aug 31 09:46:22 Gigabyte GN-A11G <-- runs linux, and is dirt cheap... I wonder if I'm going to buy one Aug 31 09:46:36 probably ;) Aug 31 09:47:02 I'm starting to have a few embedded systems running stuff now :P Aug 31 09:47:27 now, if I could get the ds101 toolchain working... Aug 31 09:47:51 I'll just work on one at a time at the moment ;) Aug 31 09:48:03 hehe Aug 31 09:48:12 I've got two slugs and a ds101 at the moment. Aug 31 09:48:40 I'd like to get a 2nd slug to do my development on, but I still have to justify it to the missus ;) Aug 31 09:48:57 ah, yes Aug 31 09:49:09 I'm unhindered by such issues :P Aug 31 09:49:28 I used to be about a year ago :) has it's advantages :) Aug 31 09:49:45 oh yes, I know Aug 31 09:50:04 both have their advantages. Right now I have the best of both ;) Aug 31 09:50:19 ahhh.. smart move :) Aug 31 09:50:47 not a lasting solution, but nice for now Aug 31 09:51:45 ok.. make setup then make build-openslug? Aug 31 09:52:48 yeah, try that Aug 31 09:53:11 make setup appeared to work, but make build-openslug gives: Aug 31 09:53:17 ERROR: Nothing provides openslug-native-packages Aug 31 09:53:17 make[1]: *** [distro] Error 1 Aug 31 09:53:17 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/grahame/slug/openslug' Aug 31 09:53:17 make: *** [build-openslug] Error 2 Aug 31 09:54:44 ahhh Psyco is not installed :( Aug 31 09:54:53 shouldn't be causing the problem Aug 31 09:55:26 Then it gives some messages like: Aug 31 09:55:27 NOTE: Handling BitBake files: | (0001/0011) [ 9 %]ERROR: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/grahame/slug/openslug/openembedded/packages/openssl/*.bb' while parsing /home/grahame/slug/openslug/openembedded/packages/openssl/*.bb Aug 31 09:57:04 hmm Aug 31 09:57:14 I haven't tried setting up the native environment Aug 31 09:57:45 bugger.. don't tell me I'm the 1st ;) Aug 31 09:58:02 no, you're not.. but I'm not one of the guys that know how it works Aug 31 09:58:09 DaKa: ping? Aug 31 09:58:37 that's kool.. just thought I'd ask around.. I have cups working as per the wiki, but it's using the unslung build Aug 31 09:58:41 does openembedded/packages/openssl/*.bb exist at all? Aug 31 09:59:09 if it doesn't, your monotone repo is borked Aug 31 09:59:15 openssl directory isn't there Aug 31 09:59:18 aha Aug 31 09:59:25 borked.. technical term :) Aug 31 09:59:41 do a make update Aug 31 09:59:45 see what happens Aug 31 09:59:48 ok.. I should delete everything and start again? :) Aug 31 10:00:01 nah, try make update first Aug 31 10:00:17 did that but it starts failing on heaps of packages.. Aug 31 10:00:38 well, ok... then remove and restart ;) Aug 31 10:00:45 lol Aug 31 10:02:59 starting again :) fresh wget of the master makefile.. now make setup.. lets see what happens.. Aug 31 10:03:49 100M for monotone/nslu2-linux.db.gz :) Aug 31 10:04:36 yeah, that'll take a while.. Aug 31 10:04:44 about 7 mins :) Aug 31 10:06:51 <[g2]> grahame_falvey what do you want to do with openslug ? Aug 31 10:07:22 <[g2]> I would type gra but autocomplete fills it in :) Aug 31 10:07:51 hmm gra's already taken :( Aug 31 10:08:01 try that one :) Aug 31 10:08:04 <[g2]> falveyg, Aug 31 10:08:15 <[g2]> f tab return :) Aug 31 10:08:55 file server and printer is about it.. nothing special.. I have 3 drives and the printer hanging off it at the moment.. Aug 31 10:10:11 <[g2]> with a hub ? Aug 31 10:10:43 [g2]: yea.. 4 port belkin usb 2 hub.. 2 drives and the printer hanging off the hub Aug 31 10:10:58 <[g2]> are you a serious embedded hacker or more an embedded user Aug 31 10:11:54 well perviously I was a real embedded hacker :) (casino machines) but now I'm a paper jocky (requirements engineer) with a hobby at home :) Aug 31 10:12:17 <[g2]> we've got debain running on the slug Aug 31 10:12:47 [g2]: yes I was reading about that.. Aug 31 10:13:00 <[g2]> I've been building packages this morning Aug 31 10:13:12 how's it going? Aug 31 10:13:13 <[g2]> I've built thttpd and postfix and I'm running them Aug 31 10:13:16 <[g2]> :) Aug 31 10:13:22 kool :) Aug 31 10:13:30 <[g2]> samba and cups are already built iirc Aug 31 10:14:00 <[g2]> are you using samba or nfs or both ? Aug 31 10:14:14 just samba at the moment.. Aug 31 10:14:32 peteru-home: I thought you was goin sleepin? :) Aug 31 10:15:58 I'm basically using it as a video file server to get the noisy HDs outta the living room :) Aug 31 10:16:10 <[g2]> smart man :) Aug 31 10:16:46 [g2]: the missus still dosn't understand though ;) Aug 31 10:19:11 * [g2] just installed samba Aug 31 10:19:26 <[g2]> going to the window box to check it out Aug 31 10:22:03 oh goodie :( Aug 31 10:22:03 monotone: fatal: std::bad_alloc: St9bad_alloc Aug 31 10:22:03 monotone: this is almost certainly a bug in monotone. Aug 31 10:22:03 monotone: please send this error message, the output of 'monotone --full-version', Aug 31 10:22:03 monotone: and a description of what you were doing to monotone-devel@nongnu.org. Aug 31 10:22:03 monotone: wrote debugging log to MT/debug Aug 31 10:22:05 make: *** [setup-openembedded] Error 3 Aug 31 10:22:19 <[g2]> ok I'm up and on with read-only access Aug 31 12:07:54 NAiL: pong? Aug 31 12:12:47 <[g2]> hey DaKa Aug 31 12:14:36 hey [g2] :) Aug 31 12:15:00 <[g2]> DaKa has everything settled down yet ? Aug 31 12:15:39 [g2]: almost, still lots, but I almost managed to get home when Im supposed too Aug 31 12:15:53 <[g2]> cool Aug 31 12:16:06 <[g2]> hey the debian BE port is rock'n ! Aug 31 12:16:13 but now other stuff has started to pile up, lots of openslug stuff, lots of stuff at home Aug 31 12:16:21 yeah, I really like that Aug 31 12:16:29 <[g2]> are you running it ? Aug 31 12:16:41 nope, But I really have to Aug 31 12:17:00 only problem is what is going to happen to openslug Aug 31 12:19:02 <[g2]> what do you mean what's going to happen to openslug ? Aug 31 12:19:35 well, if I start using debian on the slug too I might just stop using openslug, and I don't want that Aug 31 12:21:05 <[g2]> meaning what do you want from openslug ? Aug 31 12:21:49 ? Aug 31 12:22:28 I think it's fun to have something to play with, but if I start using debian everything is just going to work... Aug 31 12:22:36 :) Aug 31 12:22:51 <[g2]> ahh Aug 31 12:23:05 <[g2]> well debian BE almost just works Aug 31 12:23:35 <[g2]> but there's still lots to figure out and to get it into the mainstream debian repo Aug 31 12:23:45 <[g2]> as there's no ARM BE support by debian Aug 31 12:24:09 exactly Aug 31 12:24:48 I've been a debian user for 7 years.. so I will probably install atleast a slug with it Aug 31 12:25:11 <[g2]> have you debootstrapped much ? Aug 31 12:25:36 not much, just to some chroots, long time ago Aug 31 12:25:47 * koen remembers debootstrapping sparc stuff on top of / Aug 31 12:26:07 on x86 Aug 31 12:26:16 <[g2]> koen what's your take on debian on the slug ? Aug 31 12:26:36 nifty, but too big for my purposes Aug 31 12:26:43 * [g2] guesses you are a full-on custom guy for most part Aug 31 12:26:51 mostly Aug 31 12:26:56 I've run LFS for years Aug 31 12:27:04 till I got lazy and installed debian :) Aug 31 12:27:09 <[g2]> heh Aug 31 12:27:29 <[g2]> lazy/too busy Aug 31 12:27:43 <[g2]> I'm getting ready to punt gentoo Aug 31 12:27:55 <[g2]> after 2.5 year Aug 31 12:27:56 <[g2]> after 2.5 years Aug 31 12:28:11 gentoo annoyed me by updating X and glibc every other day Aug 31 12:28:56 so my sparc5 was compiling 24/7 Aug 31 12:29:26 I installed debian, rebuilt openssl + openssh to use hardware multiply and it was as fast as gentoo Aug 31 12:30:07 I'm happily using debian on my sparcs too, not that I use them for much Aug 31 12:30:37 * koen sees a new passtime: Aug 31 12:30:54 building towers with sparc classic and scsi casings Aug 31 12:31:48 the macmini is just a sparc classic ripoff Aug 31 12:33:28 ooo, cute machine Aug 31 12:39:30 I only have some SparcStation 4s and 5s, and a 20, dunno really why I keep them, same with the HP-UX boxes... Aug 31 12:39:56 just placing a slug in them would make most of them much faster.. Aug 31 12:39:58 the 20 is pretty powerfull Aug 31 12:40:10 at least it can be Aug 31 12:40:16 4x200 MHz Aug 31 12:40:44 yeah, but this is just, hm, 300something, can some strange ammount of ram Aug 31 12:40:57 s/can/and Aug 31 12:41:25 faster than a slug though Aug 31 12:41:43 at only 50X the power consumption Aug 31 12:41:48 :) Aug 31 12:41:57 or mabye 100X Aug 31 12:41:57 and the HP-UX boxes.. Aug 31 12:42:05 only at 500x the power Aug 31 12:42:12 or.. maybe just 300x Aug 31 12:42:21 <[g2]> 900 W ? Aug 31 12:42:27 and thats a 32Mhz HP-UX.. Aug 31 12:42:41 DaKa, ow ow owww Aug 31 12:42:48 my power meter only goes to 300Watts... Aug 31 12:42:54 or playing domio with AUI convertersi Aug 31 12:42:57 and thats the first box in the chain Aug 31 12:43:33 ah, I knew UI could have used the AUI converers for something! Aug 31 12:43:40 s/UI/I/ Aug 31 12:43:53 <[g2]> and all that 75 Ohm cable :) Aug 31 12:44:23 some said to me "either you have no AUI converters, or too many" Aug 31 12:44:41 I threw out the box of AUI converters some month ago Aug 31 12:44:46 kept two Aug 31 12:47:39 hm, maybe should mod some of the old crap with a slug.. Aug 31 12:48:26 you can easily fit a slug + hd inside a sparc classic Aug 31 12:48:35 if I had one.. Aug 31 12:48:48 and reuse the matching scsi cases as usb cases Aug 31 12:48:50 and if I did i wouldn't want to kill it... Aug 31 12:51:03 might take a sparcstation 4.. Aug 31 20:42:56 Why does openslug have /boot/zImage-2.6.12.2 in the JFFS2? I thought the kernel would already be loaded in memory by RedBoot, so there should be no reason to give up over 800kB of JFFS2 space. Aug 31 21:20:40 <[g2]> peteru-home ping Aug 31 21:21:11 <[g2]> Openslug has a copy of the kernel in the jffs2 partition because a good bootloader can load it from there Aug 31 21:21:27 <[g2]> APEX loads my kernel from jffs2 Aug 31 21:22:42 <[g2]> for Redboot, since the linux partition is used, you can delete the copy in jffs2 in the /boot directory and save the 8/900K Aug 31 21:22:45 <[g2]> cheers Aug 31 22:25:23 excellent! Just what I wanted to hear. Aug 31 22:27:04 That ought to free up enough room to install more important things. Given that non-RedBoot users are as common as hens teeth, I'd argue for NOT including the kernel in the jffs2 by default. Sep 01 01:56:13 I'm building the MasterMakefile and get compile errors after root_fs for 'Boost' (a c++ std library?) -- I've commented it out in packages.conf but will that break important dependancies? Sep 01 01:58:35 AFAIK, only Monotone depends on Boost. Sep 01 02:01:43 ok, and so does irssi (irc app) -- commented out now. **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Sep 01 02:16:41 2005 Sep 01 02:20:20 good morning all Sep 01 02:21:24 morning Sep 01 02:27:05 buildling 'boost' using the MasterMakefile on debian generates this logged error "armeb-linux-g++: Internal error: Killed (program cc1plus)" -- any thoughts? Sep 01 02:44:45 emm_is: do you have enough swap ? boost takes a *lot* of memory to compile Sep 01 02:46:01 rwhitby: interesting (I am using colinux so memory as configured is tight) Sep 01 02:48:25 One thing I do not understand about all the build systems (unslung, openslug) is that the default is to build all the packages. As a tinkering developer I want a build system (kernel, firmware etc) and then to pick which packages I wish to build. -- Surely as more packages are added the default make build-openslug will use up everyone hard discs...? Sep 01 02:49:44 well, the master makefile is really designed for the autobuilds first (to keep the 95% of people happy) and the developers second :-) Sep 01 02:50:02 but you can cd openslug ; bb to compile a single package Sep 01 02:50:55 there's not really a good way to build a single package from the top-level. you would have to say something like "make openslug-cross-foo-package" and we would have to work out how to get the makefile to support that. Sep 01 02:51:20 I worked that out half an hour ago! I will edit the MasterMakefile HowTo page to make that clear (to people like me) Sep 01 02:51:50 the assumption is that developers are experienced enough to be able to run bb manually inside the openslug directory (there is even an interactive mode for bitbake which saves parsing all the packages each time). Sep 01 02:52:03 thx - writing all that stuff in the wiki is important. Sep 01 02:53:27 The problem with the complete build of firmware and packages is the invariably there is a hitch and (1) it is slightly concerning to have a hitch when building firmware (2) getting everything built in one go will hitch Sep 01 02:54:12 ah, but if it wasn't the default then we would never learn of the glitches :-) Sep 01 02:57:06 ok, so the reason I am moving to openslug is trying to get usb support for Qemu -- I've got quite far but now am wondering if differences between 2.4 and 2.6 are causing problems. All I know 2.6 has a different implementation but done of the details, any hints? Sep 01 02:58:01 nope Sep 01 02:59:24 I thought as much -- the only concern I have over moving to openslug is the loss of the ntfs support in v6 unslung -- I kn ow you have been poking around with it, what is the likelyhood that the linksys binaries for ntfs support can be used in an openslug system? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Sep 01 02:59:56 2005