**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Sep 02 02:59:56 2005 Sep 02 03:02:59 okey - i check this chipset Sep 02 03:05:32 demsey: It is a FW/USB dual interface, right? Sep 02 03:06:09 yes - FW/USB Sep 02 03:13:23 first chip is: PL-3507 05024C Sep 02 03:13:23 secend: Pm39LV512-70JC - it seem to me that is some flash memory Sep 02 03:14:11 My disc is WD2000JB Sep 02 03:15:07 demsey: Any brand names? Sep 02 03:15:51 demsey: Found the 3507 - it is the Bridge controller Sep 02 03:17:15 demsey: The datasheet says it has built in power management, but says little of what it does. Sep 02 03:18:16 (www.prolific.com.tw) Sep 02 03:21:45 its all on this chip Sep 02 03:23:36 demsey: It reasonable to think it will also work with the PL-2507 (USB only) controller Sep 02 03:25:42 I was so sure we had an enclosure database with chipset info.... can't find it on Yahoo... Sep 02 03:25:56 It's good info:) Sep 02 03:25:59 Can check it someone? Sep 02 03:27:09 Yes - I found it. We have several 2507-based enclosures in the DB. Sep 02 03:27:20 Actually - I found out that I own one myself (Icybox) Sep 02 03:27:39 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nslu2-general/database?method=reportRows&tbl=1 Sep 02 03:27:43 super Sep 02 03:28:21 Two enclosure brand resgistered with 3507 - both "Metal gear" Sep 02 03:28:59 that mayby scsi-idle will be useful:) Sep 02 03:30:03 Yes - and it might go for other chip sets/enclosures/drive models as well Sep 02 03:40:16 To check it juzt run scsi-stop /dev/sdb it is executable from scsi-idle*.ipk witch is in Custom Executables uploaded Sep 02 06:10:10 [g2]: ping? Sep 02 06:10:44 <[g2]> ingeba-toandfrom, pong! Sep 02 06:11:50 Did you see my post - should have just pinged you. Sep 02 06:11:54 ingeba-toandfrom: I liked your mailing list post. Sep 02 06:12:03 "No and maybe" Sep 02 06:12:12 :-) Sep 02 06:12:58 [g2]: Are there other OpenDebianSlug repos now that Lennert is on vacation? Sep 02 06:13:03 ingeba-toandfrom: what is your sources.list pointed to now? Sep 02 06:13:21 - http://sukurys.wantstofly.org/debian/ Sep 02 06:13:27 aha Sep 02 06:14:05 aha? Sep 02 06:14:19 we should fix that sometime. Sep 02 06:14:42 right now the place is packages.debonaras.org Sep 02 06:14:42 * ingeba-toandfrom wonders if Holmes has made one of his deductions again. Sep 02 06:14:51 Aha! Sep 02 06:15:32 <[g2]> ingeba-toandfrom, CenterIcq pulls in the *world* Sep 02 06:15:35 eventually debian.nslu2-linux.org will point to the same place. Sep 02 06:15:55 its sort of a mess right now. Sep 02 06:16:09 dyoung: np. I will make a note of it on the wiki Sep 02 06:16:24 and if [g2] starts cranking out packages, I'm gonna have to hurry up and finish modifying the population script. Sep 02 06:16:28 [g2]: Are you in building hell? Sep 02 06:16:46 <[g2]> ingeba-toandfrom, actually it's quite nice for the most part Sep 02 06:17:01 <[g2]> lennert has done one hell of a job Sep 02 06:17:24 <[g2]> I was running screen and irssi today Sep 02 06:17:33 [g2]: Yes, too bad we didn't jump on the bandwagon we put together with FedoraSlug. This is better, though. Sep 02 06:17:40 s/we/he/ Sep 02 06:17:47 <[g2]> vim too like 6 hours to build though Sep 02 06:17:58 :-o Sep 02 06:18:02 W00t Sep 02 06:18:02 <[g2]> and I haven't got it installed properly Sep 02 06:18:06 [g2]: screen and irssi on the slug? Sep 02 06:18:10 <[g2]> yes Sep 02 06:18:15 <[g2]> koen yes Sep 02 06:18:16 What does this build process do? Make all targets? Sep 02 06:18:35 * koen|slug is irssi+screen doing that as we speak Sep 02 06:18:37 <[g2]> well I'm cherry picking right now Sep 02 06:18:49 <[g2]> koen on DebSlug Sep 02 06:19:09 ah Sep 02 06:19:13 openslug over here :) Sep 02 06:19:26 I'm slugless ATM. Sep 02 06:19:34 I've only got broke slugs. Sep 02 06:19:36 <[g2]> yeah I was building irssi natively but there were some deps Sep 02 06:19:37 heh Sep 02 06:19:38 The memory use on DebSlug: is there an initial heap and stack size in Linux now? Is it adjustable? Sep 02 06:19:58 <[g2]> ingeba-toandfrom I'm running it on my fatslug :( Sep 02 06:20:14 <[g2]> And I'll be running it on the Loft when they arrive Sep 02 06:20:22 Oh - building native? Lord! Sep 02 06:20:31 <[g2]> yeah Sep 02 06:20:42 The little engine that could Sep 02 06:21:13 so did anyone besides SlugSlayer Nail do PentaSlug ? Sep 02 06:24:05 dyoung: No, but raid seems to make more sense _that_ way. Wanna see if total USB throughput improves at all. Sep 02 06:24:26 If not, hubs does the same thing cleaner Sep 02 06:24:37 After i fix the one I just broke I'll pentaslug it. Sep 02 06:25:03 dyoung: What did you do to that poor piece of metal and PVC? Sep 02 06:25:22 Actually I didnt have to torture it. Sep 02 06:25:25 It just broke. Sep 02 06:25:33 it doesnt boot anymore. Sep 02 06:25:43 No signs of life? Sep 02 06:26:14 Well, it hangs up someplace during boot. after redboot; but before init. Sep 02 06:26:47 "pentaslug"? Sep 02 06:27:03 kolla: 5 USB ports Sep 02 06:27:20 http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/EnableExtraUSBPorts Sep 02 06:27:21 dyoung: Oh, SW prob maybe? Sep 02 06:28:26 Probably software for that one; but I really need serial to know for sure. In addition to that one, I have one that has been tortured. he needs a full frontal lobotomy. Sep 02 06:29:05 :-) Sep 02 06:29:28 Hmm.... the packages.debonaras.org repo is older than Lennerts update-wise. Is that correct? Sep 02 06:29:52 thats probably a time zone issue Sep 02 06:30:06 because lennert synched it himself an hour before he left. Sep 02 06:30:14 So - it should be the same then? Sep 02 06:30:28 Unless hes developing on vacation; yes. Sep 02 06:35:02 dyoung: :-) G2 was the appointed holiday "buildmeister" as I understood it. Sep 02 06:35:50 Yep, and I fear the day when he starts cranking packages out; because I havnt finished writing the stuff to make it appear in the feeds yet. :-) Sep 02 06:39:32 <[g2]> I think the debian BE port is 6-9 months+ ahead of openslug in ease-of-use Sep 02 06:40:06 <[g2]> there is a trade-off between that and extra memory versus porting time Sep 02 06:40:33 * koen solders on R83 on g2's slugs to gain some time for openslug Sep 02 06:41:19 <[g2]> we've now to several good choices DebBE, OpenSlug, uCslugC, DebLE Sep 02 06:41:37 <[g2]> koen it's the Loft's you'll need to worry about Sep 02 06:42:33 <[g2]> and the RV082 I got back Sep 02 06:42:43 <[g2]> the RV082 runs at 533 Sep 02 06:42:48 <[g2]> on a 425 Sep 02 06:42:53 <[g2]> IXP425 Sep 02 06:46:27 [g2]: Where does this memory go? Sep 02 06:47:00 gillions of dependencies. Sep 02 06:47:16 I dont remember what it was.. Sep 02 06:47:27 lennert was building something that depended on mozilla. Sep 02 06:47:35 mind you this wasnt even a network app. Sep 02 06:47:48 <[g2]> the deps are really extensive Sep 02 06:48:29 <[g2]> the vim build pulled in ruby, x11, python, perl, and then removed a bunch of libraries after the fact Sep 02 06:49:09 <[g2]> it's really all about community and user base (and individual choice) Sep 02 09:39:19 NAiL: Did you do any performance testing on PentaSlug i/o. Can we sqeeze out more performance on a PentaRaidSlug? Sep 02 09:47:41 <[g2]> ingeba-toandfrom what are you trying to accomplish Sep 02 10:03:26 [g2]: Just wondering if raid could benefit from more USB connections or if it is an overall limitation that causes it to make little difference Sep 02 10:04:10 USB performance on one is bad, two is only slightly better. What would 3 or four be like. Can a hub do just as well? Sep 02 10:04:17 <[g2]> the 4/5 limits I'm aware of are: Sep 02 10:04:51 <[g2]> 1) Power, you can really supply the power for the extra ports properly as an extra 1A @ 5V should be there which isn't Sep 02 10:05:05 <[g2]> 2) The usb controller chip itself (NEC) Sep 02 10:05:19 <[g2]> 3) Attached disk performance Sep 02 10:05:28 <[g2]> 4) CPU speed Sep 02 10:05:31 <[g2]> 5) Memory Sep 02 10:06:14 <[g2]> so by "bad" what do you mean 7-8MB ? Sep 02 10:06:17 Agreed Sep 02 10:06:26 9 if I recall Sep 02 10:06:37 * koen wonders how well a software raid of ata-over-ethernets slugs would perform Sep 02 10:07:04 <[g2]> well my AMD64 setup can do 600Mbs+ Sep 02 10:07:25 <[g2]> it runs 400+ with a single SATA drive Sep 02 10:08:06 <[g2]> given that the Mobo, memory and processor cost just $405 several months ago it's better on a price peformance scale Sep 02 10:09:09 <[g2]> so for 2 drives (around $180 each for the 300G SATA with 16MB cache) you're getting 300G RAID 1 or 600G at 600+Mbs Sep 02 10:09:18 <[g2]> all for around $900 US Sep 02 10:09:34 is the loft website online yet? Sep 02 10:09:43 <[g2]> very soon Sep 02 10:09:49 * koen is a bit desorientated in the time landscape Sep 02 10:09:50 <[g2]> today or tomorrow Sep 02 10:10:16 <[g2]> I just need to backup a USB drive I'll be doing the packet logging on Sep 02 10:10:34 <[g2]> then I'll have room for line rate captures for a couple weeks Sep 02 10:16:56 [g2]: what would be the url? Sep 02 10:17:04 * koen remembers something with bigshoulder Sep 02 10:17:19 <[g2]> www.giantshoulderinc.com Sep 02 10:17:26 thanks Sep 02 10:18:02 <[g2]> I'll be swictching the DNS over later today Sep 02 10:18:11 <[g2]> I don't know how long it'll take to propage Sep 02 10:27:06 <[g2]> np Sep 02 10:52:17 ingeba-toandfrom: ping? Could you add samba to unslung packages in slugbug? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Sep 03 02:59:57 2005