**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Sep 11 02:59:56 2005 Sep 11 03:02:14 i needed file; got the sources, compiled it and it works Sep 11 03:02:33 decided that this would be a good candidate for a package Sep 11 03:02:54 then i saw that there is already a packages/file with a bb file Sep 11 03:03:06 so i thought bitbake file would simply do the job. Sep 11 03:03:32 funny you should mention that, as I just finished testing it and it will be in the feed for openslug and ucslugc soon. Sep 11 03:04:24 ok, still I Sep 11 03:04:38 you should have been able to do: Sep 11 03:04:42 still I am interested to learn how this should be done Sep 11 03:04:47 (for cross-compiling) Sep 11 03:05:02 cd openslug ; source setup-env ; bb file Sep 11 03:08:40 rwhitby, tried that, but to no avail; bb says: Sep 11 03:08:40 ERROR: Nothing provides file Sep 11 03:09:07 ah, you also either need to bb unfreeze, or edit conf/distro/openslug-packages.conf to include the packages/file/... dir. Sep 11 03:09:07 but: Sep 11 03:09:08 [slug@Woonkamer openslug]$ ls open*/pack*/file* Sep 11 03:09:09 openembedded/packages/file: Sep 11 03:09:09 file-native_4.13.bb file_4.13.bb Sep 11 03:09:24 ah, that was the snippet of info I was missing! Sep 11 03:09:26 Can you add that to the wiki somewhere? Sep 11 03:09:36 figured out it had to be something like that Sep 11 03:09:56 i'll test it and see if I can find a good spot to add it. Sep 11 03:09:58 stay tuned Sep 11 03:14:44 ok, bbunfreeze didn't do the job Sep 11 03:14:56 the conf file you mentioned was in the openembedded dir not in openslug Sep 11 03:15:01 yep Sep 11 03:15:13 edited that one, now trying again Sep 11 03:15:38 bbunfreeze of course was bb unfreeze Sep 11 03:15:43 I'm surprised that bb unfreeze didn't work, but since I always just edit the conf file then I wouldn't know if it works or not - you'll need to ask jbowler about that one. Sep 11 03:16:32 ok, will try to think to ask john (I'm offline later today), otherwise hopefully he'll read back Sep 11 03:16:39 anyway, file is compiling Sep 11 03:17:15 is there also someone working on vim? I compiled it natively (got sick of /bin/vi) and had no problems Sep 11 03:17:22 ls Sep 11 03:17:30 sorry wrong window active Sep 11 03:17:49 eFfeM: did it compile cross ? Sep 11 03:18:10 (we always prefer cross for the official feeds, just for the amount of time it takes to build native) Sep 11 03:18:20 vim: didn't try yet as I did not know how to do the bb thing Sep 11 03:18:34 file did compile cross Sep 11 03:19:22 got these three: Sep 11 03:19:23 -rw-rw-r-- 1 slug slug 32338 Sep 11 12:15 file-dev_4.13-r0_armeb.ipk Sep 11 03:19:23 -rw-rw-r-- 1 slug slug 12048 Sep 11 12:15 file-doc_4.13-r0_armeb.ipk Sep 11 03:19:23 -rw-rw-r-- 1 slug slug 232500 Sep 11 12:15 file_4.13-r0_armeb.ipk Sep 11 03:19:31 in openslug/tmp/deploy/ipk Sep 11 03:20:03 will make some changes in the wiki after lunch (its 12.20 around here) Sep 11 03:20:15 foo Sep 11 03:20:34 rwhitby, there is another thing you might be able to help me with Sep 11 03:21:19 I want to access a usb cdrom, koen told me sr_mod was missing, I now found out that I need to define BLK_DEV_SR to add that to the kernel, but I have no idea where to change it Sep 11 03:21:37 I found a generated defconfig file with a define but it said, generated, do not edit Sep 11 03:21:49 so I do not feel too comfy changing it Sep 11 03:22:22 I ended up here openembedded/packages/linux/openslug-kernel-2.6.12.2 Sep 11 03:23:07 any idea? Sep 11 03:24:36 found this: nslu2-kernel.inc Is that the spot? Sep 11 03:31:48 eFfeM-lunch: openembedded/packages/linux/openslug-kernel-2.6.12.2/defconfig is the right file to edit. Sep 11 03:32:05 pastebin the diff for that file here, and someone will add it for you Sep 11 03:49:57 rwhitby, thanks for the info; koen is already aware of this omission, now started building the new image Sep 11 03:50:04 first the wiki Sep 11 03:58:35 long tv session koen? Sep 11 03:59:00 no, I just put away the laptop last night Sep 11 03:59:22 I already figured that out Sep 11 04:00:04 apart from sr_mod you need to enable support for scsi cdroms (if it wasn't already) Sep 11 04:15:30 koen, if i understand the config correctly BLK_DEV_SR is for scsi cdrom, if I do make menuconfig it says: Sep 11 04:15:32 Symbol: BLK_DEV_SR [=m] │ Sep 11 04:15:32 │ Prompt: SCSI CDROM support Sep 11 04:15:51 there is a warning also to enable 9660 support, but that was already in Sep 11 04:21:24 ok, created OpenSlug/AddingPackages and a ref to it on the homepage Sep 11 04:21:51 please add/correct/proofread (I'm not a native english speaker) Sep 11 04:56:16 what do I need to remove if I want to rebuild my kernel ? Sep 11 04:57:01 (I've edited defconfig and that did not trigger a rebuild; removing zImage also didn't (but lets the building of rootfs fail ...) Sep 11 05:00:00 eFfeM: bb -cclean openslug-kernel && bb openslug-kernel should rebuild it Sep 11 05:01:56 thanks, as a starter sometimes you just need to find the right incantation Sep 11 05:02:22 If i only had an idea where to put *this* snippet of info in the wiki ... Sep 11 05:03:20 heh Sep 11 05:03:37 * NAiL searched the wiki for "-cclean" Sep 11 05:03:38 663 pages found out of 663 pages searched. Sep 11 05:03:49 LOL !!!! Sep 11 05:04:22 removing the -, 0 pages found :P Sep 11 05:04:48 btw, what irc client are you using? Sep 11 05:04:53 irssi Sep 11 05:05:34 ah, is it good? I'm using x-chat which came with FC3 (and have used mirc under windoze Sep 11 05:05:51 irssi is text-based, so it'll take a bit of getting used to Sep 11 05:06:01 But I dig it ;) Sep 11 05:06:59 how about now -- is anyone here? Sep 11 05:07:11 actually what I was looking for was something that could also act as a server on the slug and also could grab files (like autoget under mirc) Sep 11 05:07:12 danc86: It does help to stay more than two minutes when asking Sep 11 05:07:27 NAiL, you're just ahead of me.... Sep 11 05:07:31 you mean last time? right, sorry ... Sep 11 05:07:49 I just wanted to ask about sources.nslu2-linux.org being down Sep 11 05:07:54 is it? Sep 11 05:07:54 btw finally got libphp5.so build, took quite some effort Sep 11 05:07:59 do any of you guys know about it? Sep 11 05:08:01 is it? Sep 11 05:08:09 weeelll it looks to me like it ... ? Sep 11 05:08:35 danc86: apparently it is... Sep 11 05:09:26 eFfeM: Anyway... autoget, as in automatically recieve dcc? Sep 11 05:09:33 so does anyone here take care of it? just that i've been wanting to try compiling openslug for a while now, but every time i try it something seems to go wrong ... Sep 11 05:09:36 receive Sep 11 05:09:41 guess i'll just try again tomorrow Sep 11 05:09:48 danc86: think it's being handled Sep 11 05:09:57 yeah okay Sep 11 05:09:58 thanks Sep 11 05:10:13 Nail, yes!! Sep 11 05:10:25 eFfeM: irssi can do that, yes Sep 11 05:10:52 and combined with screen, you can login to a linux box, start irssi and disconnect, leaving irssi running on its own Sep 11 05:10:52 oh, mistake, not automatically receive, automatically grab Sep 11 05:11:01 hmm.. that's a tad worse Sep 11 05:11:56 autoget on mirc can take a list of file get commands (like !eFfeM whatever) and keeps feeding a new one to the channel whenever the previous one is received Sep 11 05:12:31 a fileserver then Sep 11 05:13:13 I think eggdrop can do that, but that's a bit of a pain to configure :P Sep 11 05:13:17 no the reverse, it should grab files from a server without flooding the channel or completely filling up the servers queue Sep 11 05:13:52 I've used it in the past to retrieve some bootlegs (from undernet/#mp3beatles) Sep 11 05:14:15 aha Sep 11 05:14:17 ... Sep 11 05:14:19 dunno then Sep 11 05:14:38 ok, it is not urgent anyway. Sep 11 05:15:02 I would believe that would require scripting Sep 11 05:15:28 NAiL: sources.nslu2-linux.org is sick today. Is it being taken care of? Sep 11 05:15:38 ingeba-away: yes Sep 11 05:17:11 ok, managed to rebuild the kernel. is upslug2 of zImage-openslug enough or should I also update the root fs (didn't touch that) Sep 11 05:17:35 (first time using upslug2, until now I only used sercomm) Sep 11 05:17:47 ah well, there is a first time for everything.... Sep 11 05:19:09 ingeba-away: try sources now? Sep 11 05:19:24 eFfeM: Did you only add a module? Sep 11 05:19:37 or did you change something in the kernel itself? Sep 11 05:19:52 yes, sr_mod Sep 11 05:19:54 nail: Nah, still "error id: "bad_httpd_conf"" Sep 11 05:20:13 eFfeM: as a module? Sep 11 05:20:48 hmm. good Q, I hope so, I just set BLK_DEV_SR to y in defconfig Sep 11 05:20:55 how can i see ? Sep 11 05:21:09 if you set anything to y, you need to reflash Sep 11 05:21:24 but I *think* that just the kernel will do... you got serial? Sep 11 05:21:52 nope Sep 11 05:22:09 I could not open the holes to mount a header Sep 11 05:22:16 we tried, but only opened one Sep 11 05:22:17 then I'd just flash the whole image Sep 11 05:22:22 ok good Sep 11 05:22:37 eFfeM: Did you try (I think it was rwhitby-away's) the percussion method? ;) Sep 11 05:22:41 just wanted to do what minimizes the risk Sep 11 05:23:00 we discussed it a few days ago, but I haven't tried it yet Sep 11 05:23:04 I removed the solder that way Sep 11 05:23:34 I'm not very handy so I had the mods made by someone else (remove resistor and always on mod) Sep 11 05:23:44 serial is still on my todo list Sep 11 05:23:52 I still need to get the always on mod done Sep 11 05:24:11 But I've added serial/removed resistor/added internal usb-port myself Sep 11 05:24:50 cool Sep 11 05:35:51 ok, got visitors, saw that I also have to build upslug or upslug2 first Sep 11 05:35:54 later.... Sep 11 07:29:22 hi Sep 11 07:29:28 anyone there ? Sep 11 07:30:05 yes Sep 11 07:30:34 I've a question about adding a new package Sep 11 07:31:11 I created a small bb file by copying another one Sep 11 07:31:32 but the file compiled is "ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386" Sep 11 07:31:50 how do you compile it? Sep 11 07:32:03 bitbake --buildfile Sep 11 07:32:22 could you drop the bb in pastebin.ca? Sep 11 07:34:08 yep : http://pastebin.ca/22642 Sep 11 07:35:05 looks like the makefile has gcc hardcoded Sep 11 07:35:55 humpf !!! Sep 11 07:36:02 yes of course ! Sep 11 07:36:13 thanks ;-) Sep 11 07:36:32 yeah Sep 11 07:36:57 http://pastebin.ca/22643 Sep 11 07:37:00 Patch for makefile Sep 11 07:37:43 yep thanks for your help Sep 11 07:38:18 np Sep 11 10:30:27 hi, anybody online who could help me with a boot problem? Sep 11 10:31:14 i've rebuilt the 2.5 kernel and now it refuses to boot from my root disk Sep 11 10:31:22 instead it boots from the flash Sep 11 10:31:26 dmesg says: Sep 11 10:31:28 FAT: utf8 is not a recommended IO charset for FAT filesystems, filesystem will be case sensitive! Sep 11 10:31:29 FAT: bogus number of reserved sectors Sep 11 10:31:29 VFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev sda5. Sep 11 10:31:29 EXT2-fs warning (device sda5): ext2_fill_super: mounting ext3 filesystem as ext2 Sep 11 10:32:23 that part is harmless Sep 11 10:32:42 is there a .recovery file in that fs? Sep 11 10:33:28 nope Sep 11 10:34:28 think i got it, hang on Sep 11 10:37:15 it's rebooting, but i think I found the cause Sep 11 10:37:43 in /boot/disk I added a line to mknod /dev/sda5 as this did not exist at that time Sep 11 10:37:57 since I rewrote the filesys this line was lost; just added it again. Sep 11 10:38:09 will fix this in my copy of the kernel later ... Sep 11 10:39:43 yep, works now Sep 11 10:39:56 and the good thing is: Sep 11 10:40:08 I can now access my usb cdrom drive! Sep 11 10:41:05 nice Sep 11 10:44:08 the change to access the usb drive is easy: Sep 11 10:44:09 OpenSlug 2.5 does not recognize an USB cdrom drive, because the kernel module sr_mod is missing. However, this can be fixed by editing openembedded/packages/linux/openslug-kernel-2.6.12.2/defconfig. Just change the line (in 2.5: line 329) containing Sep 11 10:44:10 # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SR is not set Sep 11 10:44:10 by Sep 11 10:44:11 CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SR=y Sep 11 10:44:12 Rebuild the kernel, flash it into the slug and bingo. Sep 11 10:44:21 I added this text to the wiki Sep 11 10:44:49 can that be added as a module? Sep 11 10:44:52 ie, =m? Sep 11 10:44:58 created a page OpenSlug/TipsTricksOddsEnds to store info snippets Sep 11 10:45:06 saw that ;) Sep 11 10:46:19 hope you like it & pardon my lousy english Sep 11 10:46:39 I think it is a module, but I am not sure. How can I see that Sep 11 10:47:34 try recompiling it with CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SR=m Sep 11 10:47:50 ok, will do Sep 11 10:48:41 there's another thing: Sep 11 10:49:16 someone once pointed me to a kernel fix to make sure that /dev/sda5 exists. Sep 11 10:49:33 I bookmarked the page as 7380 on nslu2-linux Sep 11 10:49:41 but that page is about something different. Sep 11 10:49:51 Do you have an idea what is was or where to find it? Sep 11 10:54:13 hmm Sep 11 10:54:32 In the latest firmware image, /dev/sda5 *should* exist... Sep 11 10:54:36 i seem to recall koen did sent me a url Sep 11 10:54:56 it exists *after* the boot, but not when /boot/disk is executed! Sep 11 10:55:25 probably http://handhelds.org/hypermail/oe-commits/ Sep 11 10:56:14 that one does not look familiar Sep 11 10:56:45 it was a posting from the nslu2 group Sep 11 10:56:48 and http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/openembedded ? Sep 11 10:58:20 doesn't look familiar, bit if you added it to the source there I can find it. Sep 11 10:58:36 will first check the irc log. I hope the nslu2 ones are still working Sep 11 11:00:46 apparently there is no irc logging after aug 30 !! Sep 11 11:07:41 back later, probably I bookmarked this page on windows,need to reboot to find it Sep 11 11:31:46 koen, got it, it was oe commit 1375 Sep 11 13:06:36 hm. just changed the addition of the scsi cdrom driver to use my usb disk from Sep 11 13:06:38 CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SR=y Sep 11 13:06:39 to Sep 11 13:06:41 CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SR=m Sep 11 13:06:50 but now it does not work any more. Sep 11 13:07:08 anyone any idea where I should look to find out the cause? Sep 11 13:08:28 sr_mod is not loaded according to lsmod Sep 11 13:09:20 cd / Sep 11 13:10:20 no sr_mod in /sys/module Sep 11 13:11:33 eFfeM: There should be a kernel-module-sr_mod or something in tmp/deploy/ipk Sep 11 13:11:41 (if it built successfully) Sep 11 13:12:27 i have: Sep 11 13:12:28 kernel-module-sr-mod_2.6.12.2-r6_nslu2.ipk Sep 11 13:12:33 should I install taht one Sep 11 13:12:40 yes Sep 11 13:12:50 ok, thanks Sep 11 13:12:59 The reason is simply that people won't have to reflash kernel just to get that support Sep 11 13:13:11 instead, they can get the kernel module Sep 11 13:13:30 so it was not needed to rebuilt my kernel Sep 11 13:14:27 well, to get the module, yes Sep 11 13:14:33 but not strictly necessary to reflash it Sep 11 13:15:20 oh well, it was a nice learning experience. First time I used reflash Sep 11 13:17:04 when I did serious kernel hacking modules did not exist yet :-) Sep 11 13:17:57 do I need a reboot to make this effective? Sep 11 13:18:46 mount: /dev/scd0 is not a valid block device Sep 11 13:18:49 you may have to insmod the module Sep 11 13:18:49 so that means a yes Sep 11 13:18:53 ok Sep 11 13:22:25 hm. insmod as in: Sep 11 13:22:27 root@NSLU2:/lib/modules/2.6.12.2/kernel/drivers/scsi# insmod sr_mod.ko Sep 11 13:22:27 insmod: error inserting 'sr_mod.ko': -1 Unknown symbol in module Sep 11 13:22:37 dmesg Sep 11 13:22:41 and see which symbols Sep 11 13:23:42 thanks, it were cdrom symbols, I had to load cdrom.ko first Sep 11 13:23:52 <[g2]> eFfeM are you mounting CDROM devices ? Sep 11 13:23:56 yes! Sep 11 13:24:06 and it works Sep 11 13:24:16 root@NSLU2:/lib/modules/2.6.12.2/kernel/drivers/scsi# mount /dev/scd0 /mnt -t iso9660 -o ro Sep 11 13:24:17 root@NSLU2:/lib/modules/2.6.12.2/kernel/drivers/scsi# cd /mnt Sep 11 13:24:17 root@NSLU2:/mnt# ls Sep 11 13:24:17 liveaid1 liveaid2 liveaid3 liveaid4 Sep 11 13:24:18 <[g2]> that's not too surprising :) Sep 11 13:24:21 <[g2]> congrates Sep 11 13:24:25 <[g2]> congrats! Sep 11 13:24:37 well, it is the first kernel mod I built and installed. Sep 11 13:24:39 <[g2]> I've been thinking about trying to boot to that :) Sep 11 13:24:54 Technically it was not very difficult. The problem was more finding out what to do Sep 11 13:25:03 but with the help of you guys I finally made it Sep 11 13:25:10 <[g2]> something like turnup memstick /dev/scd0 -t iso9660 Sep 11 13:25:33 hm. haven't considered that Sep 11 13:25:57 <[g2]> I'd probably just loop mount the .iso first Sep 11 13:26:01 actually this is the first kernel I have built in 15 years Sep 11 13:26:12 <[g2]> and then after all the changes burn a CD Sep 11 13:26:21 <[g2]> cool Sep 11 13:26:50 actually I wanted to come up with a hotplug script/program that would automatically rip an audio cd Sep 11 13:27:05 I have already something to grab the pictures from my cam Sep 11 13:27:23 probably I'll also try to add my webcam Sep 11 13:27:43 and the ultimate challenge of course would be to have a usb tuner with a hardware mpeg encoder and use the slug as PVR Sep 11 13:28:03 however there is not much linux support for usb tv tuners Sep 11 13:29:01 I'll update the wiki with my new knowledge Sep 11 13:29:14 while enjoying a beer to celebrate this Sep 11 13:31:52 eFfeM: if you live in AmsterdaM : http://www.qanu.de/termini.php Sep 11 13:32:14 it should work with 'digitenne' Sep 11 13:33:12 Hm. Could be interesting. Actually I live south of Eindhoven near the Belgian border. I seem to recall we can receive the belgium dvb-t transmissions Sep 11 13:33:30 the terratec s^2 is about E80 Sep 11 13:33:35 actually I was at IFA last week and I saw a lot of dvb-t receivers. Some with the size of a memory stick Sep 11 13:33:41 aha Sep 11 13:34:01 I got the suggestions from someone being at the IFA as a standholder :) Sep 11 13:34:31 also I know someone who was busy with a hauppauge analog usb thing with hw encoder Sep 11 13:34:55 Ah. I became too late active on irc. We could have met. Sep 11 13:40:38 <[g2]> eFfeM rwhitby and guys have the sat receive and mpeg encoder setup Sep 11 13:40:57 that qanu thing looks quite nice. I saw a similar thing at another booth. Also quite small. Don't know the brand but if you want to I can look it up tomorrow in the office Sep 11 13:41:17 <[g2]> eFfeM were you the guy that wrote up the hotplug howto ? Sep 11 13:41:23 g2, that sounds great. I'll drop them an email Sep 11 13:41:25 <[g2]> That was a nice little howte Sep 11 13:41:29 tnx Sep 11 13:41:45 <[g2]> it's on the nslu2-linux wiki iirc Sep 11 13:41:47 as I am learning I decided to scribble down what I actually do. Sep 11 13:42:33 <[g2]> the power of the community is really just overwhelming Sep 11 13:42:41 iirc ? Sep 11 13:43:01 yup. together we can beat micro$oft Sep 11 13:43:19 i really appreciate all the help that i am getting here Sep 11 13:43:22 <[g2]> no... together we can obliterate m$soft Sep 11 13:43:32 <[g2]> but that's not really our job Sep 11 13:43:33 lol Sep 11 13:43:41 <[g2]> http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Puppy/HomePage Sep 11 13:44:01 <[g2]> that's write-up on the software and the devices Sep 11 13:44:15 nope, I do this for fun (and perhaps also to demo to my boss that this is what we need) Sep 11 13:44:32 <[g2]> fun was so a year ago :) Sep 11 13:45:00 <[g2]> I've launched a hw company that produces a slightly upscale device Sep 11 13:45:04 ah, I saw that page. had the impression that that topfield thing was not really inexpensive Sep 11 13:45:24 I can understand that this was fun a year ago, breaking new ground Sep 11 13:45:31 * koen peaks at http://www.giantshoulderinc.com/ Sep 11 13:45:31 <[g2]> Prototypes were built last week and I should get some this week Sep 11 13:45:44 <[g2]> koen exactly Sep 11 13:46:00 <[g2]> I haven't cut the DNS over yet... I'm such a lamer Sep 11 13:46:12 nope, it says coming soon. Sep 11 13:46:20 <[g2]> but see http://66.93.242.68 Sep 11 13:46:47 <[g2]> I'll be updating lots of stuff later tonight Sep 11 13:47:01 <[g2]> and put up pictures next week Sep 11 13:47:31 can you say a little bit about the hw (speed, mem) Sep 11 13:47:36 <[g2]> eFfeM, the boards got a MiniPCI adpater and there's a Tawainese MPEG2 encoder and tuner Sep 11 13:48:05 <[g2]> IXP422 @ 266 with 64M, CF slot, 2 USB 2.0, MiniPCI, Dual Ethers Sep 11 13:48:08 <[g2]> POE Sep 11 13:48:26 <[g2]> 5/6v to probably 48V Sep 11 13:48:35 the minpci is that also on your board ? Sep 11 13:48:39 <[g2]> :) Sep 11 13:48:45 the hw encoder I mean Sep 11 13:49:06 <[g2]> there's a miniPCI card that has a TV tuner and MPEG2 hw encoder Sep 11 13:49:14 <[g2]> an Linux drivers Sep 11 13:49:17 <[g2]> and Sep 11 13:49:40 looks very interesting! Sep 11 13:49:50 is this minipci card a commercial product? Sep 11 13:49:57 <[g2]> think so Sep 11 13:50:27 can you share a ref ? Sep 11 13:50:48 * [g2] checking bookmarks now Sep 11 13:51:27 <[g2]> http://www.yuan.com.tw/en/products/vdo_mpc622.html Sep 11 13:52:14 <[g2]> how that ? Sep 11 13:52:16 <[g2]> :) Sep 11 13:52:20 thinking of it they might even have been at IFA Sep 11 13:52:32 <[g2]> IFA ? Sep 11 13:52:41 There were several floors with chinese/taiwanese/shehzen companies Sep 11 13:52:52 Internationale Funk Ausstellung Sep 11 13:53:02 the largest consumer electronics exhibition in europe Sep 11 13:53:08 every 2 years in berlin Sep 11 13:53:09 <[g2]> OH yeah I know what you mean :) Sep 11 13:53:55 <[g2]> iirc t-man was saying the card was around $105 US Sep 11 13:54:22 <[g2]> The Loft is $249 US for all the HW less a CF card Sep 11 13:55:00 the tyan card looks very good. Don't know about the quality of those silicon tuners though Sep 11 13:55:29 <[g2]> that's one of the keys Sep 11 13:55:45 <[g2]> I think overtime that tuners and encoders will get both better and cheaper Sep 11 13:55:51 g2, I'd like to stay in touch with you concerning this Loft thing. Might want to buy one for the company Sep 11 13:55:52 <[g2]> kinda like video cards Sep 11 13:56:01 <[g2]> excellent Sep 11 13:56:02 yes, definitely Sep 11 13:56:20 can you keep me updated at fransmeulenbroeks at yahoo.com Sep 11 13:56:22 <[g2]> The prodcution run should be ready in October Sep 11 13:56:36 <[g2]> I'm doing 200 units on the first run Sep 11 13:56:49 if I may ask: where are you located? Sep 11 13:56:55 <[g2]> I'll have 1/2 dozen next week Sep 11 13:57:06 <[g2]> sure I'm in the US near Raleigh, NC Sep 11 13:57:40 ok. just asking as it is possible that in three weeks I'll be in the US Sep 11 13:57:51 <[g2]> cool Sep 11 13:57:54 however probably only in CA and maybe also in NJ Sep 11 13:58:05 <[g2]> hope you have a great trip Sep 11 13:58:09 <[g2]> and safe too Sep 11 13:58:12 not that cool, it is purely business and it is my 6th or 7th time this year Sep 11 13:58:23 <[g2]> good for the air miles Sep 11 13:58:33 actually although I am in the netherlands I bought my slug at walmart in princeton Sep 11 13:58:43 <[g2]> heh Sep 11 13:59:03 I had to resist buying it at a walmart Sep 11 13:59:09 we went to canada and yellowstone on holiday; got the tickets with airmiles Sep 11 13:59:15 <[g2]> koen lol Sep 11 13:59:34 so I ordered it online at a dutch show while I was in the US :) Sep 11 13:59:39 i only discovered after buying that it was a 110 V power supply and not a universal one. Sep 11 14:00:16 * [g2] note to self consider universal ps Sep 11 14:00:36 yep, I think the price delta is minimal Sep 11 14:00:50 "TV INPUT RF SMD connector Sep 11 14:00:51 " Sep 11 14:00:53 hmmm Sep 11 14:01:01 time to get a better soldering iron Sep 11 14:01:10 <[g2]> it's really a great time to be a geek Sep 11 14:02:00 :) Sep 11 14:02:42 <[g2]> hey I've got to get back to setting up / testing the DNS setup Sep 11 14:02:46 <[g2]> cheers all Sep 11 14:15:44 updated http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/OpenSlug/TipsTricksOddsEnds for the usb cdrom drive as module. also added info on how to use /dev/sda5 as root fs Sep 11 14:15:52 please review/update/whatever Sep 11 14:16:33 ok. I'm calling it a day, catch u all later this week Sep 11 14:30:58 http://www.yuan.com.tw/en/products/vdo_mpb101.html might be interesting for the slug Sep 11 14:31:28 * koen wonders how mythbackend will perform on a slug Sep 11 14:31:54 * koen prepares to win the lottery to buy and array of slugs and lofts Sep 11 14:45:53 <[g2]> koen I'll be getting updated pricing on the 533Mhz and 128MB builds Sep 11 15:16:25 'night all **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Sep 11 19:53:59 2005 Sep 12 01:43:27 'morning all **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Sep 12 02:13:53 2005 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Sep 12 02:59:56 2005