**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Sep 30 02:59:57 2005 Sep 30 06:53:44 hi to all Sep 30 06:54:17 i still have my problem about rebooting when usb bluetooth dongles are inserted Sep 30 06:54:21 hey andrea_ Sep 30 06:54:25 does someone remind ? Sep 30 06:54:55 file a slugbug on the problem Sep 30 06:55:10 did you have serial? Sep 30 06:55:17 no.. Sep 30 06:55:18 :( Sep 30 06:55:32 is it a common problem ? Sep 30 06:55:43 no Sep 30 06:55:52 haven't seen that problem before Sep 30 06:55:58 which makes it a bit hard to debug Sep 30 06:56:05 i explain better Sep 30 06:56:07 especially since you don't have serial Sep 30 06:56:36 with no bluetooth dongles all goes fine Sep 30 06:56:48 wint 1 bluetooth dongle it goes fine Sep 30 06:57:02 but if i ve more the 1 bt dongle connected Sep 30 06:57:12 the reboot seems to freeze Sep 30 06:58:25 no ideas ? Sep 30 06:59:03 nope Sep 30 06:59:16 not without any output from booting Sep 30 06:59:56 istructions about get a serial connection are available on the site ? Sep 30 06:59:58 both dongles work as they should if you plug them in when the slug is finished booting? Sep 30 07:00:03 yes Sep 30 07:00:25 sure Sep 30 07:00:29 they works fine Sep 30 07:00:34 all seems ok Sep 30 07:00:37 so why 2 bluetooth dongles Sep 30 07:01:05 i'm using the slug for an embedded bluetooth project Sep 30 07:01:19 i need 2 dongles Sep 30 07:02:18 definitely sounds like a hotplug issue. Sep 30 07:02:50 Hotplug-ng we're using didn't do coldplug events a while ago and I doubt it has changed. Sep 30 07:03:20 yeah Sep 30 07:03:33 i supposed it's an hotplug problem Sep 30 07:03:42 but i don't know how to solve it Sep 30 07:03:43 I would try to figure out if we have the latest version first. Sep 30 07:04:23 i am using 2.7beta Sep 30 07:04:30 I don't know much more beyond that. I just remember reading this in the hotplug scripts when they replaced the old hotplug Sep 30 07:04:56 me too but I'm unsure which version of the hotplug-ng package we are using. Sep 30 07:05:14 how can i see it ? Sep 30 07:05:17 find the project's web page to see when the latest version came out. Sep 30 07:06:41 hotplug-ng is dead Sep 30 07:06:51 it has been abandoned by the authors Sep 30 07:07:17 and fwiw, hotplug is dying too Sep 30 07:07:25 udev scripts are all the rage now Sep 30 07:07:49 * koen thinks the whole hot/cold/udev plug situation is annoying Sep 30 07:08:40 koen: so you suggest something to understand/fix the problem ? Sep 30 07:10:36 I know people are working on it Sep 30 07:10:40 no idea on the status Sep 30 07:12:56 koen, I agree re: the whole udev/hotplug mess. Sep 30 07:13:49 ok, thanks a lot to everyone Sep 30 07:14:00 I guess time will tell. Sep 30 07:14:14 I would get serial first to better understand the problem. Sep 30 07:14:38 ok Sep 30 07:28:29 udev is kindabroken on openslug Sep 30 07:28:39 that is, if you have util-linux installed Sep 30 07:31:35 I noticed there's been quite a few changes to udev and module-init in the last few days. Sep 30 07:32:33 hmm.. in svn or oe? Sep 30 07:32:38 I've been fixing both in svn Sep 30 07:33:01 but those are not patches I'd care to forward to oe, since they're kinda slug-specific ;) Sep 30 07:33:23 I see. Sep 30 07:33:34 Are you repvik? Sep 30 07:33:47 yes Sep 30 07:33:58 ./whois NAiL Sep 30 07:34:04 ah! that makes sense. Sep 30 07:34:40 I kept seeing changeset from "him" and kept thinking it was an OE guy. :) Sep 30 07:34:44 Good work. Sep 30 07:35:15 that's why I'm telling you that using svn is rather safe ;) Sep 30 07:35:54 hehe Sep 30 07:36:25 Because I'm (almost) the only one changing it Sep 30 07:36:38 i see. Sep 30 07:37:12 would svn merge my changes if I was to locally modify files in that tree on update? Sep 30 07:37:33 yes Sep 30 07:37:35 cool. Sep 30 07:38:15 Do you know if the kernel 2.6.14 changes are in now? (will it work correctly with the CSR?) Sep 30 07:38:28 That's only in HEAD Sep 30 07:38:32 ie. monotone Sep 30 07:38:39 and afaik, it's not enabled yet Sep 30 07:38:50 i see. Sep 30 07:39:15 so the svn repo is used only for release snapshots then? Sep 30 07:39:20 yeah Sep 30 07:39:28 ah! I finally understand! :) Sep 30 07:39:44 and it's a stable target ;) Sep 30 07:39:53 good! me like stable! Sep 30 07:40:10 But at the same time I love to have the cutting edge features! :) Sep 30 07:40:22 me too Sep 30 07:40:42 I'm waiting for all the 2.6.14 stuff and csr stuff to settle down first Sep 30 07:41:10 it is looking good, but I have a feeling it's not quite done yet ;) Sep 30 07:41:11 * VoodooZ_Work nods Sep 30 07:58:58 I'll just sit tight and wait for them gurus to clean it up :P Sep 30 07:59:15 makes sense. Sep 30 07:59:25 It's way beyond me anyhow Sep 30 07:59:36 and even further beyond me! Sep 30 08:04:13 wish the openzaurus flash was more like the openslug flash :| Sep 30 08:05:35 openslug is .. nice :D Sep 30 08:06:17 yeah, especially the bit about init=/linuxrc :P Sep 30 08:06:29 I need to fix my own OZ flash think Sep 30 08:07:09 I spent last night searching if there was a way to make init exec, but doesnt seem so Sep 30 08:08:17 got this 6GB microdrive I want it to pivot_root to :) Sep 30 08:08:32 kolla: altboot Sep 30 08:09:21 oh heck.. there's an ipkg that does it? Sep 30 08:09:41 ah, nice Sep 30 08:09:44 yeah Sep 30 08:09:49 then I mus reflash my zaurus, cool Sep 30 08:10:00 if your lazy download the hentges edition of OZ Sep 30 08:10:12 or pester CoreDump :) Sep 30 08:10:35 kolla: a small teaser for the things to come: http://vanille.de/temp/angstrom-bootmanager.png Sep 30 08:11:21 *drewl* Sep 30 08:11:29 goody :) Sep 30 08:11:57 I noticed the microdrive was a heck lot faster than the memory cards I have tried :) Sep 30 08:12:21 but maybe I just had slow memory cards :) Sep 30 08:15:45 hm.. cardfs.. is that the openzaurus filesystem for the memorycard? Sep 30 08:17:01 kolla: http://www.wulffmorgenthaler.com/img/NO_STRIP.gif Sep 30 08:17:09 guess so.. but I have my own Sep 30 08:17:45 NAiL: ay Sep 30 08:18:17 hm, gotta go looking for a CF-pcmcia adapter :| Sep 30 08:21:01 there.. Sep 30 08:38:45 flashing... Sep 30 08:52:57 koen: it's ugly :P Sep 30 08:54:48 :) Sep 30 08:56:04 <[g2]> morning koen Sep 30 08:56:37 I'd rather to a "cardmgr -o" than /etc/init.d/pcmcia start" Sep 30 08:56:45 s/to/do Sep 30 08:58:47 hey [g2] Sep 30 09:12:17 geh.. Sep 30 09:12:21 it uses loopback even :P Sep 30 09:12:29 sheesh Sep 30 09:30:46 ah well.. I can fix my own menu entry Sep 30 09:31:09 yeah Sep 30 09:31:15 it's a pile of shell scripts Sep 30 09:35:46 koen: the question is whether it is possible to pivot_root properly witohut leaving all kinds of processes hanging outside on the old root Sep 30 09:36:13 the swivel function that openslug uses works very well :) Sep 30 09:37:42 swivel would be nice to use indeed Sep 30 09:59:24 koen, kolla: I fixed it recently (an important fix) - it was using the chroot off the original partition Sep 30 09:59:55 That failed because it turns out that after the pivot_root "/" is the new root (so ld.so looks on the new root for shared libs) Sep 30 10:00:06 I see Sep 30 10:00:12 thanks for fixing it! Sep 30 10:00:22 I think the chroot is probably unnecessary on linux, but it's safe. Sep 30 10:01:24 <[g2]> jbowler-zzz how did you fix it ? Static chroot ? Sep 30 10:01:31 swivel doesn't really have any way of dealing with existing processes though - I think killall -9 is the only way. Sep 30 10:02:02 [g2]: no, it just uses the chroot on the new /, i.e /usr/sbin/chroot not /mnt/usr/sbin/chroot Sep 30 10:02:40 (well, it uses ./usr/sbin/chroot, but / is the same it turns out.) Sep 30 10:04:02 <[g2]> ahh.. the new chroot after the pivot Sep 30 10:05:38 yes. I don't know of any way of fixing a dynamic image not to load the interpreter off "/"... other than using chroot ;-) Sep 30 10:05:59 Maybe chroot should be static, it's only a few lines of code. Sep 30 10:06:30 <[g2]> thx Sep 30 10:08:44 jbowler-zzz: yes, it might happen that the new root doesnt have chroot, and especially it might not have chroot where you think it is :) Sep 30 10:08:47 ...maybe I should just write swivel as a c prog - it can be dynamic without any problem. Sep 30 10:10:20 :) Sep 30 11:33:06 <[g2]> koen ping Sep 30 11:33:20 pong Sep 30 11:33:32 <[g2]> Will the debonaras stuff run on the 4700 ? Sep 30 11:33:40 * [g2] guesses it would Sep 30 11:33:47 debonaras is be, right? Sep 30 11:33:52 <[g2]> yeah Sep 30 11:34:00 hx4700 is le :) Sep 30 11:34:10 configured as le, at least Sep 30 11:34:11 <[g2]> is the PXA270 all LE Sep 30 11:34:52 I think jacques experimented with making ipaqs BE Sep 30 11:35:10 <[g2]> so that standard ARM LE release would run on that then Sep 30 11:35:24 yes Sep 30 11:35:38 that's what the intimate distro tries to do Sep 30 11:36:28 <[g2]> so initmate turns the box into an ARM Debian LE boxen right ? Sep 30 11:36:49 yes Sep 30 11:37:02 it hasn't been updated in a while Sep 30 11:37:09 <[g2]> and that's for PXA2xx Sep 30 11:37:30 and familiar provides 97% of the packages people want on a ipaq Sep 30 11:37:34 armv4 Sep 30 11:37:49 <[g2]> so it builds thumb Sep 30 11:38:30 arv4l to be specific Sep 30 11:38:34 so no thumb there Sep 30 11:38:39 armv4l* Sep 30 11:39:22 <[g2]> you're running familiar on the 4700 ? Sep 30 11:39:39 yes Sep 30 11:40:05 pb said there was a good chance a lot of the ipaq devices wouldn't work in be Sep 30 11:40:45 intimate hasn't been updated in forever Sep 30 11:41:28 <[g2]> is there local.conf somewhere so just build the whole familiar image with OE ? Sep 30 11:41:37 <[g2]> s/so/so I can/ Sep 30 11:41:57 machine=ipaq-pxa270, distro=familiar-0.8.3 using the oz354fam083 branch Sep 30 11:42:32 or download it from http://userpage.fu-berlin.de/~zabel/hx4700/ Sep 30 11:44:14 <[g2]> how hard is it to get onto the 4700 ? Sep 30 11:44:55 put all the files on cf, key combo, and select the 2 items to flash from the menu Sep 30 11:45:31 <[g2]> heh... that sounds easy Sep 30 11:45:48 <[g2]> does one need to hookup serial or is it no hw mods required Sep 30 11:45:58 serial shouldn't be needed Sep 30 11:46:56 http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/HpIpaqHx4700OriginalBootloader should have enough stuff to keep you busy :) Sep 30 11:50:36 <[g2]> thx Sep 30 11:50:51 <[g2]> make that THX Sep 30 11:52:12 I might be a bit biased Sep 30 11:52:20 you don't even have to flash - can boot from wince Sep 30 11:52:24 being release manager for familiar and all ;) Sep 30 11:52:34 <[g2]> heh Sep 30 11:52:36 <[g2]> lol Sep 30 11:52:59 <[g2]> are lots of ppl using familiar ? Sep 30 11:53:34 somewhere between 500 and 10000 Sep 30 11:53:44 us army has some forks Sep 30 11:53:56 some companies use familiar Sep 30 11:54:24 koen, I haven't checked lately - any progress on the 4700 wifi? Sep 30 11:54:24 and our wince hating regular users of course Sep 30 11:54:45 jacques: nope Sep 30 11:55:00 <[g2]> do you have a sponsor ? Sep 30 11:55:34 I get hw from companies, other companies sponsor ports Sep 30 11:56:19 the hx4700 isn't mine to be exact Sep 30 11:56:49 koen, d`oh - I guess the TGS guy is busy Sep 30 11:57:06 yeah, they are porting the tds recon to linux Sep 30 11:57:12 <[g2]> does sponsoring a mean just providing hw or $$s too ? Sep 30 11:57:15 when that's finished they'll continue on the hx Sep 30 11:57:25 hw Sep 30 11:57:44 <[g2]> TGS ? Sep 30 11:57:56 sdg Sep 30 11:58:04 the company doing the hx port Sep 30 11:58:50 heh oops Sep 30 11:59:00 i got two letters right Sep 30 13:27:34 Has anyone been able to get ypbind to work under openslug? It installs fine, binds to my ypserver fine. Even ypcat -k passwd works. But I cant use NIS users when logging in. I get and Invalid user error. Sep 30 13:29:37 your /etc/nsswitch.conf is setup appropriately ? Sep 30 13:32:23 I believe so \n passwd: compat \n passwd_compat: files nis. Sep 30 13:32:45 this is the first time I've seen the "compat" option. Sep 30 13:38:29 Hmm, if youre using the compat option, you need to add the NIS users to /etc/passwd Sep 30 13:38:37 * dyoung-zzzz like +user1 Sep 30 13:38:42 +user2 Sep 30 13:38:43 etc Sep 30 13:39:20 if you want the whole userdatabase you probably dont want the compat option Sep 30 13:39:46 you would want in /etc//nsswitch.conf: passwd: files nis Sep 30 13:46:22 that was it. Sep 30 13:48:04 I tried that once before and it didn't work. This time I looked at the log files and it was complaining about /bin/bash not existing. I added a sym link to sh and now I can get in. Thnx Sep 30 13:51:14 Cool. NP. Sep 30 13:53:52 http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/DebianSlug/OpenDebianSlug tells me to use my mac address from the bottom of the case. the case says "LKG7DB426" which doesn't look much like an mac address :/ Sep 30 13:54:17 do I even need the " pre-up ifconfig eth0 hw ether 00:04:5A:XX:YY:ZZ" line? Sep 30 13:57:57 uh... Sep 30 13:58:19 that translates to a MAC of 00045a7db426 Sep 30 13:58:29 if you dont set it, it will be a crappy default. Sep 30 14:01:01 alrighty, thanks Sep 30 14:02:49 "Edit /mnt/etc/fstab, /mnt/etc/network/interfaces and /etc/mailname (see below for examples)." - no example for /etc/mailname by the way :) Sep 30 14:23:21 root@slug:/# turnup memstick /dev/sda1 -t ext3 Sep 30 14:23:21 /usr/sbin/turnup: umounting any existing mount of /dev/mtdblock4 Sep 30 14:23:21 turnup: /etc/fstab: root(/) entry not changed Sep 30 14:23:21 you probably need to check the options in /etc/fstab Sep 30 14:23:22 to ensure that the root partition is mounted correctly Sep 30 14:23:24 root@slug:/# Sep 30 14:23:46 I haven't touched the openslug fstab, so I'm not quite sure what's wrong Sep 30 14:29:54 argh Sep 30 14:30:01 I've actually read it and realised it isn't an error Sep 30 14:30:12 I'm quietly assuming here that it worked...? Sep 30 14:34:19 it's taking a long time to boot, I suppose it's worked Sep 30 14:36:45 mkay, taking a bit long to boot Sep 30 14:39:25 uhoh, I've mucked it up Sep 30 14:44:42 it bleeps at me when I press the power button Sep 30 14:44:52 anything significant? Sep 30 14:45:00 it's bleeping at me again Sep 30 14:45:21 erm Sep 30 14:48:28 trying to boot without flash Sep 30 14:49:09 ahah, booted Sep 30 14:49:33 into openslug Sep 30 14:49:43 right, where should I go from now? Sep 30 14:51:41 grrr, wasted an evening on this Sep 30 14:51:43 I'll try another time Sep 30 15:38:25 <[g2]> NAiL how does the freeze/unfreeze work with openslug now Sep 30 15:41:52 bitbake unfreeze Sep 30 15:42:20 <[g2]> dyoung-zzzz, I did that Sep 30 15:42:33 <[g2]> but it still only looks at 713 packages Sep 30 15:42:41 <[g2]> I'm attempting to build others Sep 30 15:42:59 huh? Sep 30 15:43:04 what exactly did you do? Sep 30 15:43:12 when I unfreeze, I get the full 2700 Sep 30 15:44:20 <[g2]> NOTE: package unfreeze-1.0: completed Sep 30 15:44:20 <[g2]> NOTE: build 200509301839: completed Sep 30 15:44:20 <[g2]> Build statistics: Sep 30 15:44:20 <[g2]> Attempted builds: 1 Sep 30 15:44:20 <[g2]> tom@gentoo2 ~/dev/15sepmono/openslug $ bb foo Sep 30 15:44:21 <[g2]> NOTE: Using cache in '/home/tom/dev/15sepmono/openslug/tmp/cache' Sep 30 15:44:23 <[g2]> NOTE: Handling BitBake files: / (0047/0712) [ 6 %]^X Sep 30 15:44:30 no before that Sep 30 15:44:43 and whats in your conf dir Sep 30 15:45:06 <[g2]> ls conf Sep 30 15:45:06 <[g2]> auto.conf local.conf.sample site.conf topdir.conf Sep 30 15:45:30 Youre not unfrozen (obviously)... Sep 30 15:45:44 did you source setup-env first ? Sep 30 15:45:58 source setup-env; bitbake unfreeze Sep 30 15:46:54 <[g2]> yes... Sep 30 15:46:59 <[g2]> . setup-env Sep 30 15:49:25 I d unno, it works for me Sep 30 15:49:42 if you want to manually do it; look at the freeze .bb's Sep 30 15:50:12 When was the enviornment setup ? Sep 30 15:50:25 <[g2]> 15sep Sep 30 15:50:44 how did you get it? using master makefile ? Sep 30 15:51:00 <[g2]> yeah clean pull Sep 30 15:51:08 and you did a make setup ? Sep 30 15:52:44 <[g2]> make build-openslug Sep 30 15:54:01 you may need to make setup. Sep 30 15:55:15 <[g2]> 261 revs to sync Sep 30 15:55:23 <[g2]> this'll take awhile Sep 30 15:55:37 <[g2]> this is what I dislike about monotone Sep 30 15:56:22 you could use the tarfile too. Sep 30 15:56:34 thats pretty up to date. Sep 30 15:56:57 And actually I think theres a way to make monotone emit a "current" tar file. Sep 30 15:57:06 I was meaning to look at that a while ago. Sep 30 16:10:42 wasn't monotone supposed to be sped up quite a bit? Sep 30 16:11:15 [g2] check your email. Sep 30 16:12:04 <[g2]> dyoung-zzzz that's what I was expecting too Sep 30 16:12:15 <[g2]> it just doesn't work that way :) Sep 30 16:12:36 well, you can just create those files then. Sep 30 16:12:53 <[g2]> the freeze file is there Sep 30 16:12:59 <[g2]> I'd guess the unfreeze is too Sep 30 16:13:14 ifi those files are present, its UNfrozen. Sep 30 16:13:21 and will parse all bb's Sep 30 16:13:45 <[g2]> well for whatever reason it isn't Sep 30 16:13:47 if they are NOT there; it will use the DISTRO-{packages,bbfiles} in the main conf dir Sep 30 16:14:06 I'm not speculating why it doesnt work for you. Sep 30 16:14:17 What I am doing is offering a solution for it to work for you right now. Sep 30 16:14:25 in a time expedient fashion. Sep 30 16:15:36 <[g2]> well the monotone update is happenging in one window Sep 30 16:15:49 <[g2]> in aother I'm trying unfreeze again Sep 30 16:16:04 <[g2]> I had removed my tmp/cache Sep 30 16:18:41 <[g2]> dyoung-zzzz you've got mail Sep 30 16:19:33 which bb Sep 30 16:19:37 ? Sep 30 16:23:27 you seem to be using a bitbake that is quite older that me. Sep 30 16:26:03 <[g2]> back later Sep 30 19:59:04 hi, can sb help me with a compile problem on x86_64? Sep 30 19:59:43 I'm trying to compile OpenSlug 2.7-beta and right the first package fails with a 'gcc: x86_64: No such file or directory' error. Sep 30 20:00:50 hmm Sep 30 20:00:51 what distro? Sep 30 20:00:58 SL 9.3 Sep 30 20:01:16 SuSE? Sep 30 20:01:21 yep Sep 30 20:01:54 Dunno if anyone has successfully compiled anything on x64 on SuSE. I know it works on ubuntu, IIRC someone compiled it on gentoo as well.. Sep 30 20:02:07 File a slugbug with a bit more info ;) Sep 30 20:02:24 2.5-beta compiled fine, only 2.7-beta gives me trouble Sep 30 20:02:48 that's odd Sep 30 20:03:34 gcc version? Sep 30 20:04:07 3.3.5 Sep 30 20:04:42 Calling make in the quilt directory gives not error. Now 'make image' runs through. Strange... **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Oct 01 02:59:56 2005