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Nov 11 05:10:37 <kami22> good morning
Nov 11 05:10:44 <koen> hey kami22 
Nov 11 05:10:52 <kami22> hi how are you?
Nov 11 05:12:36 <koen> fine, and you?
Nov 11 05:12:57 <kami22> me, too 
Nov 11 05:13:26 <kami22> think i will start to build a new cross development enviroment for my NSLU :)
Nov 11 05:14:22 <kami22> and what are you doing?
Nov 11 21:47:03 <McTails> anyone here?
Nov 11 21:48:07 <encode> whats up?
Nov 11 21:49:24 <McTails> I'm just wondering if anyone else is ready to send their slug out the window
Nov 11 21:50:00 <McTails> I'm just curious why no one has packed CUPS up in openslug
Nov 11 21:50:11 <McTails> and if anyone knows if native building actually works
Nov 11 21:50:24 <McTails> and the proper infomration to create a cross-compiler
Nov 11 21:50:42 <McTails> (my platform can't support openslug build system, so I have to make a cross-compiler manually and hope to use distcc)
Nov 11 21:51:47 <widrone> McTails: My slug is not going out any windows, no. 
Nov 11 21:51:59 <McTails> widrone: :-P
Nov 11 21:52:22 <McTails> I'm just frustated at the lack of packages on openslug, and I can't find anyone who will point me to the proper submission process
Nov 11 21:52:37 <encode> McTails: which platform is that?
Nov 11 21:52:47 <encode> did you try following the steps at http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Development/MasterMakefile
Nov 11 21:53:03 <McTails> Doesn't work on my main machine (BSD based)
Nov 11 21:53:15 <McTails> and I fear taking it a few weeks/years on the slug
Nov 11 21:53:28 <encode> well compiling samba natively took 2 hours for me
Nov 11 21:53:39 <encode> i dont know how long it would take to compile cups
Nov 11 21:53:44 <encode> since i've not tried
Nov 11 21:53:54 <McTails> CUPS took about an hour
Nov 11 21:54:05 <McTails> The dependancies all took an hour compibed
Nov 11 21:54:12 <McTails> GhostScript took it's sweet time
Nov 11 21:54:24 <encode> is that with a turboslug?
Nov 11 21:54:26 <widrone> McTails: So you want to package cups and get it included in the feed? 
Nov 11 21:54:27 <McTails> And now I'm installing HPJI on that top
Nov 11 21:54:38 <McTails> widrone: Something like that, as well as gimp-print and HPJI
Nov 11 21:55:25 <McTails> encode: Yeah, I overclocked it to 233MHz
Nov 11 21:56:35 <McTails> I half-regret not going to unslug
Nov 11 21:56:56 <McTails> That has almost everything ready to roll, but I didn't want all the linksys crud
Nov 11 21:57:24 <encode>  if you want diversity, perhaps you should install debian on your slug
Nov 11 21:57:32 <McTails> Tried it
Nov 11 21:57:51 <McTails> The install instructions didn't work for me, I followed it bt the letter
Nov 11 21:58:17 <McTails> Not to methon I think debian is kinda overkill for this thing
Nov 11 21:58:35 <widrone> McTails: Its the modules part I think. Im working on it. =(
Nov 11 21:58:49 <McTails> widrone: I got that part
Nov 11 21:59:01 <McTails> That threw me off quite awhile, but I figured out how to get the printer to show up
Nov 11 21:59:23 <McTails> I also had to manually create dev nodes
Nov 11 21:59:40 <McTails> Make sure usblp is installed in your kernel
Nov 11 21:59:52 <widrone> McTails: Hm, ok. Was it the debootstrap or the .tar rootfs way by the way? 
Nov 11 22:00:12 <McTails> widrone: The later
Nov 11 22:00:31 <McTails> I think the debootstrap one required the serial console
Nov 11 22:01:11 <McTails> IMHO, at the rate I'm going, I should probably just buy a dedicated print server
Nov 11 22:01:25 <widrone> McTails: Nope, I have done two and wrote something up. But im in the process of cleaning it up while setting up a 3. slug
Nov 11 22:01:45 <McTails> ARGH *rips hair out*
Nov 11 22:01:51 <widrone> McTails: No console needed if you debootstrap from openslug. 
Nov 11 22:02:04 <McTails> That's not even listed as possible when I tried to do it
Nov 11 22:04:04 <McTails> Well, aleast I think I got CUPS to work with my laserjet
Nov 11 22:04:28 <McTails> IMHO, I hate debian's design, I've had WAY too many problems with it over the years
Nov 11 22:05:01 <widrone> Then stick to the openslug, its really neat and clean. 
Nov 11 22:05:08 <McTails> widrone: I am
Nov 11 22:05:21 <McTails> But the lack of packages is getting to me, and the lack of groff is really pissing me off
Nov 11 22:05:26 <McTails> (ipkg install man is broken)
Nov 11 22:06:36 <McTails> unable to open print file "/usr/local/var/spool/cups/d00001-001" - Permission denied" 
Nov 11 22:06:41 <McTails> Anyone got ANY clue what that means?
Nov 11 22:07:36 <widrone> McTails: seems it has path to var in /usr and the permissions dont give write allow.
Nov 11 22:08:44 <McTails> The problem is that it does
Nov 11 22:08:53 <McTails> I just created the files with touch, which cleared the error
Nov 11 22:09:09 <McTails> Ugh ...
Nov 11 22:09:15 <McTails> Now it just says empty print file
Nov 11 22:21:28 <McTails> BINGO!
Nov 11 22:21:30 <McTails> I can print!
Nov 11 22:22:33 <widrone> McTails: Feel free to make a quick wikipage about that. Im no printer myself, but others may need it. Happy printing! 
Nov 11 22:24:07 <McTails> I have no password for the wiki
Nov 11 22:24:20 <McTails> also my solution is far from eligatent
Nov 11 22:24:36 <ByronT> you don't need a password to create a wiki page
Nov 11 22:24:51 <McTails> Oh
Nov 11 22:24:57 <McTails> There is already a cups page though
Nov 11 22:25:03 <McTails> But it recommends using package files from Unslung
Nov 11 22:25:14 <McTails> (hence why I mostly ingored it expect for the kernel module tip)
Nov 11 22:25:21 <ByronT> add what you did to the bottom of it
Nov 11 22:25:26 <ByronT> or to the top
Nov 11 22:25:30 <ByronT> help someone else oput
Nov 11 22:25:35 <McTails> oput?
Nov 11 22:25:35 <ByronT> who cares what it looks like
Nov 11 22:25:41 <ByronT> s/oput/out
Nov 11 22:25:48 <McTails> I will
Nov 11 22:25:52 <McTails> I still don't have this fully working
Nov 11 22:26:03 <McTails> Once SAMBA can see the printer and I can print over the network, I'll add it
Nov 11 22:26:22 <McTails> I also need to go through and do it a second time
Nov 11 22:26:23 <ByronT> pay back the community that works freakishly hard with no pay, lots of time, lots of sleeplessness and gets very little thanks (comparitively)
Nov 11 22:26:38 <McTails> I intend to
Nov 11 22:26:43 <McTails> But its not done yet
Nov 11 22:26:56 <McTails> Also, I need to figure out everything
Nov 11 22:27:07 <McTails> I installed a lot of excess crap which I suspect doesn't need to be there
Nov 11 22:29:18 <McTails> Crud, it's still not wokring over SMB yet
Nov 11 22:29:21 <McTails> ... *adds page*
Nov 11 22:29:27 <ByronT> http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/AddPrinter-OpenSlug
Nov 11 22:29:46 <ByronT> you do it there, I'll get it added to the HowTo page
Nov 11 22:29:50 <McTails> Ok
Nov 11 22:30:21 <McTails> BTW, I'm crap with formatting
Nov 11 22:30:30 <McTails> Fix my formatting, and I'll be happy :-)
Nov 11 22:31:35 <ByronT> it's a placeholder for the time being, as soon as there's legitimate stuff in there - someone will fix the formatting, and I'll make sure it gets to the HowTo page
Nov 11 22:31:56 <McTails> How do I get that formatting for like a command?
Nov 11 22:39:42 <McTails> ByronT: I'm not going to include configuration instructions
Nov 11 22:40:04 <McTails> It's different for everyone, but I will tell people how to add the lp0 devices, and refer them to the CUPS configuration for setting up the rest
Nov 11 22:40:32 <ByronT> you can just say what you did and then tell others that it might be different for them
Nov 11 22:40:44 <McTails> ByronT: Err, I'm not even sure what I did to make my printer work
Nov 11 22:40:56 <McTails> I'll ammend it after I refine it
Nov 11 22:41:01 <McTails> hey ka6sox 
Nov 11 22:41:07 * McTails is adding a new wiki page
Nov 11 22:41:09 <ka6sox> yo
Nov 11 22:41:48 <McTails> what's up?
Nov 11 22:42:28 <ka6sox> hacking on my lude
Nov 11 22:42:37 <ka6sox> adding little tiny resistors.
Nov 11 22:44:26 <McTails> lude?
Nov 11 22:44:28 <widrone> ka6sox: Turbolude? Im getting serious retro hippie feelings here somehow. 
Nov 11 22:44:56 <ByronT> the resistors are for jtag
Nov 11 22:44:59 <ka6sox> widrone: its a slow lude.
Nov 11 22:45:04 <ka6sox> only 266mhz
Nov 11 22:46:44 <McTails> lude?
Nov 11 22:47:02 <ka6sox> iomega nas l00d
Nov 11 22:47:07 <McTails> ah
Nov 11 22:47:15 <McTails> ugh
Nov 11 22:47:48 <McTails> ka6sox: when editing the wiki, how do I get that box for command items
Nov 11 22:48:06 <ka6sox> click the edit button?
Nov 11 22:48:19 <McTails> No, I mean the formatting that you get so commands don't get formatted
Nov 11 22:48:35 <ka6sox> [= text =]
Nov 11 22:48:41 <McTails> thanks
Nov 11 22:48:49 <ka6sox> yw
Nov 11 22:48:50 <ByronT> or just a space at the beginning of the line
Nov 11 22:48:58 <McTails> Ugh
Nov 11 22:49:03 <McTails> I hate wikis
Nov 11 22:49:08 <ByronT> http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/PmWiki/TextFormattingRules
Nov 11 22:49:54 <McTails> Thanks
Nov 11 22:50:00 <McTails> http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/AddPrinter-OpenSlug - how's this so far
Nov 11 22:55:05 <encode> "the header is straightly missing so recompile it"
Nov 11 22:55:13 <encode> "strangely" perhaps?
Nov 11 22:55:44 <encode> "outside the scoop of this document" - scope perhaps
Nov 11 22:55:58 <McTails> Fixed it
Nov 11 22:56:02 <encode> "All the source code we need is available from" - available from what?
Nov 11 22:56:05 <McTails> Yeah
Nov 11 22:56:10 <McTails> I just releazied that
Nov 11 22:56:41 <McTails> sorry, my english isn't that great
Nov 11 22:56:47 <McTails> (even though it's my native language >.<)
Nov 11 22:56:51 <encode> lol
Nov 11 22:57:13 <McTails> Anyway, how is it now
Nov 11 22:57:32 <McTails> (I'm trying to figure out what I did to make GhostScript compile, but I would love it if something checked what I have already)
Nov 11 22:57:51 <encode> "Strangely Enough" - the enough probably doesnt need to be capitalised
Nov 11 22:58:21 <McTails> Oops
Nov 11 22:58:24 <encode> i dont usually compile as root, but i guess its up to the individual
Nov 11 22:58:56 <McTails> I didn't want to have to write that all out
Nov 11 22:59:03 <encode> s'ok
Nov 11 22:59:06 <McTails> (I use sudo personally)
Nov 11 22:59:14 <encode> apart from that, looks fantastic
Nov 11 22:59:23 <McTails> Can someone test it, to make sure I'm not loosing it
Nov 11 22:59:32 <McTails> I'm trying to figure out where I got Ghostscript from
Nov 11 22:59:43 <encode> if i had a usb printer i would
Nov 11 22:59:57 <McTails> Got a serial one ;-)
Nov 11 23:04:44 <McTails> Aleast I also know why I can't print
Nov 11 23:17:19 <McTails> NN
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Nov 11 23:17:22 <McTails> YEAH!
Nov 11 23:17:55 <McTails> cya
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