**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Nov 14 02:59:57 2005 Nov 14 06:28:09 just out of curiousity, can I run X-Windows on a slug, open a vnc connection and have a desktop controlling my slug that way? Nov 14 06:28:29 yes Nov 14 06:29:19 hahaha. that would be funny. Nov 14 06:29:22 anyone done this? Nov 14 06:29:43 would it add anything? or is it too slow to run properly? Nov 14 06:30:03 or do I have a strange sense of humor Nov 14 06:32:21 it wouldn't be very slow Nov 14 06:33:00 would it be usefull? Nov 14 06:35:08 that's up to you :) Nov 14 06:37:05 guess not :) Nov 14 08:04:15 hi Nov 14 08:28:37 hi McTails Nov 14 09:39:45 ByronT: Nov 14 09:39:47 You there? Nov 14 09:40:05 barely... coffee still taking effect Nov 14 09:40:29 Funny Nov 14 09:40:38 Ok, I'm trying to build a cross-compiler sans OE Nov 14 09:40:51 (I can't use OE on this platform, but I don't want the slug trying to compile apache w/ mod_perl on it's own) Nov 14 09:41:14 The problem is due to a kernel compile bug, I can only build a cross-compiler against a 2.4.x series kernel Nov 14 09:41:22 that would take a while anyways.... Nov 14 09:41:38 (I bet it would take upward of a week to build apache w/ mod_perl on the slug itself) Nov 14 09:42:02 and I am afraid that I basically do all of my work via master makefile Nov 14 09:42:08 I think apache+mod_perl would take ~1.5 days Nov 14 09:42:09 Anyway, since openslug is 2.6 based, but my cross-compiler is 2.4 based, am I going to see things like alignment file blow up? Nov 14 09:42:21 NAiL: Longer, I suspect Nov 14 09:42:31 perl itself takes <2 hours Nov 14 09:42:37 It takes four to five hours if I'm lucky on Mac OS X Nov 14 09:42:37 NAiL would know, I think he's done it before Nov 14 09:42:39 apache isn't that big Nov 14 09:42:55 ByronT: no, DaKa did apache+php native Nov 14 09:43:10 McTails: serious? Nov 14 09:43:10 Is there an option in MasterMakefile to ONLY build the cross-compiler? Nov 14 09:43:11 ah Nov 14 09:43:20 OE blows up wonderfully on this platform Nov 14 09:43:43 I haven't really looked that deeply into it.... Nov 14 09:44:12 you could just wget the master makefile and look for it's targets to determine what it gets and how it gets Nov 14 09:44:27 ByronT: Even If I did that, I still have the 2.6 compile bug Nov 14 09:44:53 (GCC on this platform doesn't have a -shared option, which makes it blow up totally horribly, and the kernel makefiles make me think of what my closet look like) Nov 14 09:45:24 ah, uncharted territory = bleeding edge Nov 14 09:45:43 (otherwise known as "Have Fun!") Nov 14 09:45:53 Well, techinically, the compiler just turns C code into Assembler Nov 14 09:46:07 It would still be using the slug's headers and libraries due to the fact that I'd be using distcc Nov 14 09:46:56 ANd if this flies, I can actually try to use the MasterMakefile on the slug itself Nov 14 09:48:23 sounds like fun Nov 14 09:49:17 ByronT: You know C/C++/kernel hacking? Nov 14 09:49:17 unfortunalely, I don't think I can be of much help... maybe you should try doing it and then post specific questions/problems as you run into them Nov 14 09:49:45 I'm going to do it Nov 14 09:49:50 But I need to get distcc working first Nov 14 09:50:14 (I have to build on a Linux platform, since OE hates me) Nov 14 09:50:25 eww... I have to sign off for a bit... (real life / work calls me) Nov 14 09:50:32 ok Nov 14 09:54:33 McTails, NAiL: apache takes about 4 hours to build on the slug, perl takes 1,5h Nov 14 09:54:50 just FYI Nov 14 09:58:06 DaKa: Monotone took over six Nov 14 09:58:09 I just gave up Nov 14 09:58:13 (configure took an hour by itself) Nov 14 09:58:18 boost library is evil Nov 14 09:58:19 monotone is probably lots of C++ Nov 14 09:58:28 C++ == evil Nov 14 09:58:30 gtg Nov 14 09:58:32 and that usually takes lots of RAM Nov 14 09:58:41 lots of RAM = not good on the slug Nov 14 10:21:19 back Nov 14 10:31:00 monotone takes forever + 7 hours to build Nov 14 10:31:41 just build apache+mod_perl manually. Won't take ages ;) Nov 14 16:46:29 Anyone home? Nov 14 17:32:30 Greetings - I installed OpenSlug 2.7 Beta - works great... mostly. Little probs with the packages, like "man" depends on "groff" but "groff" isn't in the feed -- and the unslung version of groff doesn't like the libstdc++ with openslug. Is this normal, or did I do something wrong? Nov 14 17:40:48 groff is broken on OpenSlug Nov 14 17:48:48 hi, I have some problem to add a user to group Nov 14 17:49:48 the user is in /etc/passwd and the group with the user in /etc/groups Nov 14 17:50:28 but when I do 'groups' the useres are not listed for the group Nov 14 17:50:36 is this a bug? Nov 14 17:58:37 No, groups lists the groups for a user. Nov 14 17:59:14 Anyone got perl to help me check for a bug Nov 14 17:59:24 yes but its not working: if I a user 'slug' to group 'scan' and 'admins', Nov 14 17:59:41 and then 'groups slug' Nov 14 17:59:52 the ouput is: "slug : slug" Nov 14 18:01:18 need more light here, too many errors ;-) Nov 14 18:01:40 New fangled command - groups never used to support that. Nov 14 18:02:19 oh then I misunderstood this Nov 14 18:02:39 how can I check then if a user is in a group? Nov 14 18:02:43 Possibilities: you are using gshadow and the group isn't in there, something is caching the information (openldap, YP)... Nov 14 18:02:56 "su slug; groups" Nov 14 18:03:36 Also check that the groups you have really does have the "groups [user]" support Nov 14 18:05:20 "groups slug" dosnt show me the groups that I have specified in /etc/groups Nov 14 18:05:30 But I suspect something may still be broken about the libc password/user/group handling. Nov 14 18:06:42 To debug it create a directory grouped scan, mode 575, then su slug and see if you can create a file. Nov 14 18:07:09 Probably better to ssh as slug - the list only gets loaded once at login. Nov 14 18:09:23 no I cant create: permission denied Nov 14 18:11:37 It looks like the user is not recognized to the group Nov 14 18:12:52 in /etc/groups: scan:x:64002:slug Nov 14 18:15:41 or is something wrong with that line? Nov 14 18:27:52 McTails - Have perl v5.8.7... Nov 14 18:32:06 mwester: Do you have ExtUtils module installed? Nov 14 18:32:13 It's a core module, but most of it's files seem to be missing Nov 14 18:32:35 Got a quick way to check? Nov 14 18:34:23 directory /usr/lib/....ExtUtils exists, with approx 31 files Nov 14 18:37:42 Seems similar to my RedHat ES3 install; Perl 5.8.0 has a few more files in that directory, only ones that look to be significant are Manifest.pm, Miniperl.pm, and MKbootstrap.pm, MKsymlists.pm - these are mising on the openslug Nov 14 18:41:47 Yeah Nov 14 18:49:01 Nope - sorry my bad. Sort order for dir listing is different between the two! All *.pm files are present on both; sundry other files different "instmodsh", "Changes", and a few temp files (how'd those get there? :))... Nov 14 18:53:22 btw, McTails Nov 14 18:53:31 tinylogin doesn't support anything OTHER than crypt() Nov 14 19:08:58 Well .... that's great ... Nov 14 19:09:03 We need a replacement package then Nov 14 19:14:18 Well, the latest ver apparently at least supports shadowing Nov 14 19:15:22 I'll try doing a native build of the most recent ver Nov 14 19:16:24 You do that Nov 14 19:16:31 I'm "enjoying" compiling mod_perl on the slug Nov 14 19:16:41 It needed about 30 perl modules, and ccache Nov 14 19:16:46 Haha Nov 14 19:16:50 Ahh, here we go Nov 14 19:16:52 SHA1 Nov 14 19:17:05 If it works, I'll see about getting it into the OE build Nov 14 19:17:30 mod_perl? Nov 14 19:17:41 It's an apache module Nov 14 19:17:47 I have trouble compiling that POS on standard apache/x86 Nov 14 19:17:47 I want install LiveJournal on my slug Nov 14 19:17:49 I know Nov 14 19:17:56 Well, I just got it to install Nov 14 19:18:00 Well, it generates a .a Nov 14 19:18:02 Now I'm installing it's requirements Nov 14 19:18:04 But never a .so Nov 14 19:18:08 No, that's normal Nov 14 19:18:13 Hmm? Nov 14 19:18:13 You can NOT DSO build apache Nov 14 19:18:16 *mod_perl Nov 14 19:18:21 Hmm Nov 14 19:18:26 It has to be built as a static library into Apache at compile time Nov 14 19:18:35 ...*into* apache? Nov 14 19:18:37 Yeah Nov 14 19:18:41 Internal module Nov 14 19:18:45 Ahh, that explains why I can never get it to work :X Nov 14 19:18:55 I think my user/group management is broken Nov 14 19:18:58 It can be done as a DSO, but it's very unstable Nov 14 19:19:08 BOfH: Unless your referring to Apache2 Nov 14 19:19:14 apache 1.3.34 Nov 14 19:19:20 Yeah, that's what I'm doing Nov 14 19:19:26 I feel sorry for the sap that packages it Nov 14 19:19:34 30 perl modules prequests Nov 14 19:19:43 and about 20 more for full functionality Nov 14 19:20:54 Nice Nov 14 19:21:04 Can't they just use the CPAN.pm shell? Nov 14 19:21:37 That's a kludge Nov 14 19:21:43 and there is still a lot of compiling Nov 14 19:21:50 cause CPAN doesn't have proper package management Nov 14 19:22:01 waha, shadow passes and SHA1 encryption Nov 14 19:22:03 brb Nov 14 19:36:44 where can I start to search why users are not added to a group when I do a 'adduser username groupname' ? Nov 14 19:43:09 wow, does gcc do no optimization? Nov 14 19:43:18 My compiles always turn out huge++ Nov 14 19:52:08 ok I solved my problem: for some reason my /etc/groups is not used by some programms, its now /etc/gshadow Nov 14 19:55:13 Well, that was a great load of useless. Nov 14 20:24:33 cool got my scanner with me Nov 14 20:24:47 ..speaking with me Nov 15 01:12:23 i to all guys Nov 15 01:12:45 i am trying to build os via master makefile Nov 15 01:12:54 but i get an error.. Nov 15 01:13:13 can someone help me ? Nov 15 01:15:09 nobody ? Nov 15 01:20:53 It would be more helpful if you describe the error. Nov 15 01:21:03 then if someone knows they can answer Nov 15 01:29:47 here i am Nov 15 01:29:52 the error is; Nov 15 01:30:05 ERROR: function do_rootfs failed Nov 15 01:30:16 and comes after this message: Nov 15 01:30:26 NOTE: package slugos-image-1.0-r16: task do_rootfs: started Nov 15 01:43:31 does the logfile tell you anything? Nov 15 01:45:28 where is logfile located ? Nov 15 01:48:27 it says it when it gives the error, its usually something like tmp/work/slugos-something/temp/log.something Nov 15 01:52:06 uhmm Nov 15 01:52:13 i got several log there.. Nov 15 01:53:07 the one related to do_rootfs Nov 15 01:56:47 in that log i read this messages: Nov 15 01:56:54 install: cannot stat `/home/doraemon/slug4/openslug/tmp/staging/armeb-linux/lib/nslu2-binaries/RedBoot': No such file or dir Nov 15 01:56:54 ectory Nov 15 01:57:29 and then 2 others similar entry, for "Trailer" and "SysConf" Nov 15 02:03:37 any ideas ? Nov 15 02:18:59 does openslug have apache or appweb yet? Nov 15 02:19:15 I'm a bit afraid to answer, because doraemon is mean. :-) Nov 15 02:19:41 haiko, it probably means the stock linksys firmware never got downloaded for redboot to be extracted. Nov 15 02:19:48 uhm Nov 15 02:19:59 how can i fix it ? Nov 15 02:20:05 what did you run exactly? Nov 15 02:20:25 (you do promise not to bite my ears off right?) Nov 15 02:20:28 i run simply make build-openslug-image Nov 15 02:21:08 okay let me try replicate that. Nov 15 02:21:41 i had also tu manually download some intel network relatet files.. Nov 15 02:21:49 but that seems ok now.. Nov 15 02:22:39 Yes, we wantn to make sure the downloaders are reading the Intel License before using. Nov 15 02:23:06 it's not a problem.. Nov 15 02:26:05 okay my tmp/staging/armeb-linux/lib/nslu2-binaries has the right stuff in it. Nov 15 02:26:18 Lemme investigate furthur. Nov 15 02:26:21 ok Nov 15 02:31:47 do you have a tmp/work/nslu2-linksys-firmware-foo ? Nov 15 02:32:40 i check Nov 15 02:33:04 no Nov 15 02:33:11 :( Nov 15 02:33:50 well, thats the package that would normally download and isntall those bits. Nov 15 02:34:11 When was the last time you pulled/ Nov 15 02:34:55 pulled what ? Nov 15 02:36:43 ... Nov 15 02:37:35 the repo? Nov 15 02:37:38 ala make update Nov 15 02:38:18 never.. Nov 15 02:38:23 got do to ti ? Nov 15 02:38:37 Might be worthwhile, do it in the directory that has the mastermakefile **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Nov 15 02:59:56 2005