**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Dec 17 02:59:57 2005 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Dec 17 04:47:49 2005 Dec 17 12:22:13 <[cc]smart> sbdy in ? Dec 17 12:22:28 sort of Dec 17 12:23:10 <[cc]smart> do i remember right, that there is a usb port in the slug that can make the slug work as a usb device ? Dec 17 12:24:10 yes Dec 17 12:24:18 requires some soldering Dec 17 12:24:34 I don't know it the 2.6 driver for usb gadget works, though Dec 17 12:25:02 <[cc]smart> sounds good. i was just thinking about iscsi.... this is stuff is nifty, jus those controller cards are waay to expensive. Dec 17 12:25:14 <[cc]smart> now i thought, what about a slug playing sicsi to usb converter ? Dec 17 12:25:27 <[cc]smart> should that work ? Dec 17 12:25:47 usb client is 12mbit, so it would be a bit slow Dec 17 12:25:53 but yes, it should work Dec 17 12:26:17 <[cc]smart> i think the 12mbit are still ok, since more or less this is just about booting up. Dec 17 12:26:30 <[cc]smart> if it was about linux you'd boot nfs. Dec 17 12:26:37 <[cc]smart> so this is about windows clients. Dec 17 12:26:39 iirc andre in #handhelds.org is the iscsi guru Dec 17 12:26:52 <[cc]smart> for that windows there's the ms initiator which works allright once the os is up. Dec 17 12:26:59 <[cc]smart> the critical frame is booting up Dec 17 12:27:13 <[cc]smart> i'll try Dec 17 12:27:59 <[cc]smart> no such name on handhelds currently Dec 17 12:43:46 [cc]smart, this is the page that describes the hw mod: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/AddDeviceSideUSBPort Dec 17 12:44:34 just read it, don't think I'm going to try this Dec 17 12:45:02 aren't there any peripheral devices that deal with this (actually I would love usb-on-the-go) Dec 17 12:46:51 <[cc]smart> if there was an affordable device that woud allow this, maybe on usb2 even this would be a perfect match certainly. Dec 17 12:49:06 I haven't really come across one, and I don't know if it is technically feasible I'm by no means a usb expert Dec 17 13:01:30 <[cc]smart> this one should serve as an example that it's at least possible: http://www.netgear.com/products/details/DG632.php Dec 17 13:01:40 <[cc]smart> to combine this hardware wise Dec 17 13:16:57 <[cc]smart> ok, how about attacking this with another twist. should it be possible to use a pc to pc usb network crossover cable to attach the slug to the pc ? Dec 17 13:17:22 actually there is usb on the go, this combines both sides Dec 17 13:17:33 <[cc]smart> ? Dec 17 13:17:41 <[cc]smart> what's that ? Dec 17 13:17:53 it can be used eg for a camera which could be a slave device for a pc and a host for a hard disk Dec 17 13:18:16 <[cc]smart> do you have a link ? Dec 17 13:18:19 this is the 2nd page google gave me: http://www.everythingusb.com/usbonthego/ Dec 17 13:18:23 <[cc]smart> or keyword to use in searach ? Dec 17 13:18:34 usb is a ugly hack, use firewire :) Dec 17 13:18:43 i googled for "usb on the go" Dec 17 13:19:07 usb OTG essentially kills the master/slave concept usb has Dec 17 13:19:07 firewire is an ugly hack, use 802.3 :-) Dec 17 13:19:32 heh Dec 17 13:19:35 i've never played with it but I know some devices implement it. Dec 17 13:19:39 tokenring would be better :) Dec 17 13:20:12 actually I would like it if my cam could directly speak with a small usb hd (and yes I know about those imagetank devices) Dec 17 13:20:26 tokenring? like in arcnet? LOL Dec 17 13:20:47 I actually have 100Mbit/s tokenring cards Dec 17 13:21:08 thought these didn't exist any more Dec 17 13:21:17 no CAU, but I have the cards :) Dec 17 13:21:30 ah Dec 17 13:21:52 my dads works used to be an OS/2 + tokenring stronghold Dec 17 13:21:53 * eFfeM thinks koen also has some coax ethernet cards Dec 17 13:22:01 ic Dec 17 13:22:30 yeah Dec 17 13:22:40 I still have some 3c509 cards gathering dust Dec 17 13:22:52 actually my networking experience started with that (way back in '84) Dec 17 13:23:31 I had my second birthday that year Dec 17 13:23:32 can I beat that with some 8" floppies with a whopping 160k capacity Dec 17 13:23:35 lol Dec 17 13:23:56 i'm more than twice your age (47) Dec 17 13:24:46 actually I miscalculated. the networking experience was from 82 (in my first job), switched jobs in 84 Dec 17 13:25:07 <[cc]smart> hmm.... seems though that usb otg itself serves as a master device allowing to connect two slaves to each other. but here we have two masters to talk to each other. Dec 17 13:25:23 probably I wrote my first c prog before you were born ... Dec 17 13:25:58 my first C prog was last year :) Dec 17 13:26:03 never been much of a programmer Dec 17 13:26:07 i had the idea that with otg one the device could either take the master or slave role Dec 17 13:27:14 actually I'm an EE, but graduated on a distributed kernel (back in '82, two lsi 11's with shared memory (lsi11 are low end pdp 11's) Dec 17 13:28:16 the cantine in the EE building has a pdp8 on display Dec 17 13:28:36 just two more years and I can call myself and EE Dec 17 13:28:55 koen|tv, did you see the discussion in nslu2-linux about an nslu2 meeting in utrecht? would you be interested to join? april 1 (no joke) Dec 17 13:29:21 don't know about the twente canteen, I studied in Eindhoven, never been on the twente campus Dec 17 13:29:23 haven't seen that yet Dec 17 13:29:32 would be a nice idea Dec 17 13:30:58 my idea Dec 17 13:31:05 see this: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nslu2-linux/message/10248 Dec 17 13:31:33 I'm definitely planning to go (time and work permitting) Dec 17 13:32:26 it is from nllgg, marcel is a "bestuurslid" (don't know the proper english word) Dec 17 13:33:43 board member? Dec 17 13:35:08 yeah, was thinking about that, but if I hear "board member" I'm thinking about people like Kleisterlee Dec 17 13:35:44 heh Dec 17 13:35:50 do I spot my name in that mail? Dec 17 13:36:17 yes, it was discussed to invite you for a talk\ Dec 17 13:37:44 ah cool, I see discussion about dovecot Dec 17 13:38:01 that was also coined. don't know anything about that Dec 17 13:43:55 anyone know a simple way to append stuff to a file, but with automatically limiting the size Dec 17 13:44:25 I could do this with a fifo and a reader process to truncate it, but I'd rather have something automatically Dec 17 13:48:13 <[cc]smart> has somebody looked inside the packaging of this: http://www.pcmall.com/pcmall/shop/detail~dpno~242185.asp ? Dec 17 13:50:02 never seen it, seems like a usb ethernet dongle with a processor in it to do the firewall Dec 17 13:50:30 <[cc]smart> that's what makes it interesting as a possible usb to iscsi device :) Dec 17 13:51:19 <[cc]smart> ah, out for a beer or two :) Dec 17 13:51:42 enjoy Dec 17 13:51:54 * koen|tv tries to find his shoes Dec 17 13:52:01 almost time to leave Dec 17 13:53:47 <[cc]smart> Conexant CX82100 single-chip ARM940T-based processor ... can this be driven by linux ? Dec 17 13:54:41 koen|tv, enjoy (i'm almost becoming effem|tv :-) ) Dec 17 13:55:05 [cc]smart, interesting. Dec 17 13:55:06 [cc]smart, probably yes provided you can get the sw on it Dec 17 13:55:07 [cc]smart: only by uclinux I think Dec 17 13:55:15 MMU-less? Dec 17 13:55:15 since it doesn't seem to have an mmu Dec 17 13:55:22 http://lists.arm.linux.org.uk/pipermail/linux-arm/2002-September/004219.html Dec 17 13:55:36 <[cc]smart> this one describes the hardware somewhat: http://tomsnetworking.com/Reviews-54-ProdID-USBVPN1-2.php Dec 17 13:57:03 <[cc]smart> ah, so not. Dec 17 13:57:11 later all Dec 17 13:57:16 looks nice, but as koen says, no mmu, so only uclinux Dec 17 13:57:21 koen, have a nice evening Dec 17 13:57:32 thanks Dec 17 13:57:35 enjoy your tv Dec 17 13:57:53 actually uclinux is not that bad if you only want to do some simple things Dec 17 13:57:56 koen|away: ping Dec 17 13:57:58 koen|away, tnx Dec 17 13:58:19 koen|away: mwester might be approaching you for write access to monotone - he is working on Unslung 6.x Dec 17 18:26:49 ACTION  **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Dec 18 02:59:56 2005