**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jan 05 02:59:59 2006 Jan 05 08:14:39 happy new year everybody. Jan 05 09:14:33 <[g2]> hey VoodooZ and NAiL happy holidays Jan 05 09:29:53 likewise :) Jan 05 09:30:45 and a happy new year to everyone as well Jan 05 09:32:42 I hope you guys had gread holidays. Jan 05 09:45:15 hi when i compiled an app under cross development with bb ... how can i remove this and do it again? Jan 05 09:57:36 bb -cclean app Jan 05 09:58:32 <[g2]> koen happy holidays to you too Jan 05 09:58:46 <[g2]> VoodooZ what ever happened with your little USB device Jan 05 09:58:55 thanks a lot Jan 05 09:59:13 [g2]: how are the lofts doing? Jan 05 09:59:34 and how much is a 533mhz/128mb one? Jan 05 10:00:01 <[g2]> the 533/64MBs are $249 Jan 05 10:00:13 <[g2]> DOH! s/249/349 Jan 05 10:00:34 <[g2]> That's case, ps and board Jan 05 10:00:37 and 266mhz is 249? Jan 05 10:00:51 <[g2]> no it was a typo Jan 05 10:01:05 <[g2]> I've just got 533s Jan 05 10:01:20 <[g2]> there's another board I'll be working with a 200Mhz ARM Jan 05 10:01:35 <[g2]> it'll slot into that range Jan 05 10:01:51 <[g2]> the board itself is $185ish Jan 05 10:01:55 TI/intel/samsung/freescale? Jan 05 10:02:00 <[g2]> http://www.glomationinc.com Jan 05 10:02:09 <[g2]> the EP9312-sbc Jan 05 10:02:19 ah, cirrus Jan 05 10:02:54 math co processor? Jan 05 10:02:59 does that mean hw fpu? Jan 05 10:03:05 <[g2]> hw fpu Jan 05 10:03:08 <[g2]> Maverick Jan 05 10:03:17 <[g2]> an oddity in the ARM world Jan 05 10:03:28 <[g2]> s/rarity Jan 05 10:03:48 cool Jan 05 10:03:59 <[g2]> is that of interest to you at all ? Jan 05 10:04:18 I'm looking for something with 2x ethernet Jan 05 10:04:37 preferably 2x ether + pcmcia (for wifi) Jan 05 10:04:41 <[g2]> ah then the Loft is more like it Jan 05 10:04:55 hi is anyone here who is running a Lamp on his Slug? Jan 05 10:04:57 <[g2]> I'm bringing up wifi on the Loft now Jan 05 10:05:03 for firewall/bridging Jan 05 10:05:12 <[g2]> I've run fw/bridging Jan 05 10:05:22 and for testing cherokee Jan 05 10:05:53 <[g2]> it does line rate 100Mbs bridging with SCP running through it and < 40% load Jan 05 10:06:17 * koen takes a wok on the wild side Jan 05 10:06:25 <[g2]> cherokee is a web server right ? Jan 05 10:06:57 <[g2]> kami22 I've built the Loft to be able to run a LAMP server Jan 05 10:07:25 <[g2]> its got 64MB on it Jan 05 10:07:47 <[g2]> I'm playing with 128MB and 256MB versions but they aren't really for sale Jan 05 10:09:12 <[g2]> the Loft also runs at 533 which is 4x the native slug clocking or 2x the properly-clocked version Jan 05 10:09:44 <[g2]> kami22 are you using Unslung/Openslug/Debian ? Jan 05 10:21:08 Openslug Jan 05 10:22:18 hi Jan 05 10:22:25 sorry wrong button Jan 05 10:24:57 [g2]: do you said anything? Jan 05 10:38:27 kami22: no, he didn't Jan 05 10:42:48 okay thx Jan 05 10:43:49 <[g2]> philips sometime I'd like to talk to you about hosting at OSU Jan 05 10:45:49 [g2]: whats up? Jan 05 10:46:19 <[g2]> are you helping out the Gentoo guys solar/vaiper and others ? Jan 05 10:47:02 [g2]: We do host a good deal of Gentoo architecture here, but I haven't ever talked with solar or vaiper Jan 05 10:47:44 <[g2]> Yeah it's great that OSU help out so much Jan 05 10:48:21 <[g2]> I've got a hosting offer for the Debain development box so I won't be needing that now Jan 05 10:49:09 <[g2]> do you guys do a lot of open-source hosting ? Jan 05 10:49:50 yea! I work at the Open Source Lab here that dedicates about half of its resources to helping projects with hosting. Jan 05 10:49:55 http://osuosl.org Jan 05 10:52:12 <[g2]> thx for the url Jan 05 10:52:17 <[g2]> do you see andersee much ? Jan 05 10:52:41 [g2]: As for the dev box hosting, that is the NSLU2 box running DebianSlug Little Endian right? Jan 05 10:53:06 <[g2]> Loft running Debian Jan 05 10:53:09 [g2]: andersee isn't ringing a bell Jan 05 10:53:21 <[g2]> Erik Jan 05 10:53:33 <[g2]> uClibc maintainer Jan 05 10:53:43 <[g2]> leader Jan 05 10:53:55 <[g2]> it is a big world out there :) Jan 05 10:54:00 Oh right, yea we do hosting for him too. Doesn't talk much in our channels though Jan 05 10:54:17 <[g2]> he's in uclibc a bunch :) Jan 05 10:54:52 [g2]: rwhitby had been talking about getting a NSLU2 up an running as a Debian dev box. Would the Loft supercede that idea? Jan 05 10:55:07 [g2]: What do the Lofts look like btw? Jan 05 10:56:10 <[g2]> http://www.giantshoulderinc.com/ab3/case.jpg Jan 05 10:56:24 <[g2]> http://www.giantshoulderinc.com/hw-4533 for some hw pics Jan 05 10:56:46 [g2]: hi can you help me with a lamp system under Openslug? Jan 05 10:57:00 <[g2]> philips I've got a Loft I'll send out as a Debian dev box Jan 05 10:57:14 <[g2]> I'm guessing we'll want to run LE on it Jan 05 10:57:24 <[g2]> and I've got to get LE setup for it Jan 05 10:57:42 <[g2]> Probably the easiest is having a LE Redboot Jan 05 10:58:03 <[g2]> it's got JTAG so reflashing the bootloader's no big deal Jan 05 10:58:41 <[g2]> kami22 I don't know what are you interested in with LAMP ? Jan 05 10:59:02 i want to set one up on my slug Jan 05 10:59:34 <[g2]> kami22 what do you really want to do with it ? Jan 05 10:59:47 <[g2]> a big problem is the memory footprint Jan 05 10:59:53 i want to put a website on with PHP,MYSQL and APache Jan 05 11:00:08 <[g2]> I think by default MySQL try to take 50-80% of memory Jan 05 11:00:21 mhh Jan 05 11:00:32 <[g2]> I had Apache 2 and PHP5 built natively and running about 6 months ago Jan 05 11:00:43 yes i did this too Jan 05 11:01:08 <[g2]> I've played with MySQL a little but I migrated my playing to the Laptop Jan 05 11:01:09 this was running but now i need some small mysql tables Jan 05 11:01:31 <[g2]> PHP5 has SQLite Jan 05 11:02:29 okay but i think i got problems when i want to run standard mysql apps Jan 05 11:02:33 <[g2]> it really depends on how big the SQL tables are going to be and how extensive the PHP/Web serving is Jan 05 11:02:52 its a small webpage Jan 05 11:03:08 kami22: You would be much better off running lighthttpd, php and sqlite on a SLUG Jan 05 11:03:19 <[g2]> well what about thttpd/php/mysql ? Jan 05 11:03:19 kami22: lighttpd Jan 05 11:03:35 can i set up a htacces on lighthttpd Jan 05 11:03:36 ?? Jan 05 11:03:39 <[g2]> or minithttpd or lihttpd Jan 05 11:03:50 <[g2]> lighthttpd Jan 05 11:04:37 kami22: It depends on what you are trying to do in the htaccess Jan 05 11:05:44 mhh just start an access controll Jan 05 11:05:54 for one user with passwd and username Jan 05 11:07:02 http://lighttpd.net/documentation/authentication.html Jan 05 11:08:59 okay lighttpd sounds good Jan 05 11:09:45 and php can i use ?? Jan 05 11:10:07 http://www.lighttpd.net/documentation/fastcgi.html <-- Yes, using fastcgi Jan 05 11:10:09 but how to configure and compile mysql on a cross development? Jan 05 11:10:32 cherokee should support fastcgi as well Jan 05 11:10:32 kami22: For something like this you should probably use DebianSlug Jan 05 11:11:15 <[g2]> koen I'd like to try out cherokee Jan 05 11:11:46 <[g2]> and I might be able to setup a little testing lab for a week or two on the net Jan 05 11:11:54 but is DebianSlug not more memory and cpu usage? Jan 05 11:12:13 [g2]: I ran cherokee on my iPAQ :) Jan 05 11:12:20 <[g2]> koen cool Jan 05 11:12:52 <[g2]> eventually I'd like a web front-end on the Loft Jan 05 11:13:11 <[g2]> right now I'm using thttpd Jan 05 11:13:18 <[g2]> which is working fine Jan 05 11:13:21 I met alvaro when I was in .mx and he convinced me that cherokee was better as boa/*thttpd Jan 05 11:13:48 <[g2]> but I haven't started doing anything sexy yet Jan 05 11:14:39 * [g2] off for a little food Jan 05 11:15:10 enjoy Jan 05 11:15:45 which debian shut i use is it more memory and cpu usage expensive then Openslug? Jan 05 11:16:09 koen: This module is currently under development. Do *NOT* USE it yet <-- Cherokee FastCGI docs Jan 05 11:16:17 http://www.0x50.org/doc/FastCGI.html Jan 05 11:16:23 Are the docs out of date? Jan 05 11:16:56 mohammed seemed to be using it on his nokia 770, so it does something usefull Jan 05 11:18:03 koen: Hrm, I will have to give it a look. I am glad FastCGI came along and gave an alternative to the mod_* madness of Apache Jan 05 11:18:26 indeed Jan 05 12:08:28 hi Jan 05 12:08:49 is there a openslug 2.8 beta binary? Jan 05 12:22:34 cooper: not yet, and there probably will not be one (I think) Jan 05 12:22:51 thx Jan 05 12:22:59 bummer :( Jan 05 12:24:11 There will quite probably be a 3.0 though ;) Jan 05 12:33:18 stupid initialization question anyone? not a newbie... Jan 05 12:35:07 I've reflashed with a few different openslug images, and i can't ssh to the machine, either at the supposed config address or the default. i tried pinging broadcast addresses for same, but nothing. any ideas? I can reflash - so I know certain parts of the loader/hw are working... Jan 05 12:37:16 abrewer have you build these images yourself? Jan 05 12:38:12 typically this is caused by a newer kernel that still uses the old network modules (or the ixp400 module being absent from /lib/modules/2.6.whatever ) Jan 05 12:38:13 yeah. no problem before. i've loaded my own images perhaps a dozen times. of course, it's been a few months, so i am probably forgeting something... hence the "stupid" part of the question Jan 05 12:39:53 if you rebuilt the kernel the ixp modules are not automatically rebuild. If you stay on the same kernel release that is no problem, but if you move to a higher number this can cause problems. Jan 05 12:40:13 ah, bet that's it! it bumped from .14 to .15 Jan 05 12:40:14 * eFfeM learned this the hard way (and with the help of rwhitby) Jan 05 12:40:22 you should have this: Jan 05 12:40:24 36 ./kernel/drivers/net/ixp400_eth.ko Jan 05 12:40:24 636 ./kernel/drivers/ixp400/ixp400.ko Jan 05 12:40:54 either do a make clean first (safest) or remove all ipx related files from tmp/work and tmp/stamps Jan 05 12:41:00 good luck Jan 05 12:41:11 it's enough to just remove the ixp stuff Jan 05 12:41:22 ie, ixp*csr and ixp*eth Jan 05 12:41:22 yep! there they are (aren't) in the .14 and .15 modules directories. bingo. Jan 05 12:41:49 you're not the first to be bitten by this.... Jan 05 12:42:13 bb -cclean ixp4xx-csr & bb -cclean ixp400-eth Jan 05 12:42:26 should do it Jan 05 12:42:32 then rebuild the image Jan 05 12:43:02 i'll build it now and let you know Jan 05 13:46:55 [g2], sorry for the late reply. Jan 05 13:47:17 [g2], You mean my USB-to-I2C hub using an AVR and a software USB implementation? Jan 05 13:47:18 <[g2]> I missed the reply :) Jan 05 13:47:44 <[g2]> VoodooZ yeah for the robot Jan 05 13:48:10 Works ok. Jan 05 13:48:27 <[g2]> are you just doing USB 1..1 ? Jan 05 13:48:29 the software implementation is oviously limiting but it does the job for now. Jan 05 13:48:32 yep. Jan 05 13:48:49 <[g2]> low-speed or full-speed Jan 05 13:49:00 Perhaps I'll go with a full speed device h/w (FTDI?) IC later. Jan 05 13:49:03 low-speed Jan 05 13:49:37 <[g2]> that's what 1.2mbs Jan 05 13:49:45 The libusb call is not the fastest but it's ok. Jan 05 13:49:52 yeah, around 1.5mbps i think. Jan 05 13:50:07 <[g2]> libusb on the slug ? Jan 05 13:50:17 faster than the I2C devices I access anyways. Jan 05 13:50:21 isn't i2c limited to 40khz? Jan 05 13:50:31 <[g2]> 400khz Jan 05 13:50:40 no, I2C is standard at 100khz or fast at 400Khz. Jan 05 13:50:49 <[g2]> VoodooZ nod Jan 05 13:50:54 I hear there are faster ones Jan 05 13:51:24 The hub simply queries the i2c device. Jan 05 13:51:48 <[g2]> your device ? Jan 05 13:52:04 devices yes Jan 05 13:52:11 <[g2]> your device acts as the hub Jan 05 13:52:26 <[g2]> for seveal other I2C devices Jan 05 13:52:34 yep Jan 05 13:52:44 <[g2]> how any ? Jan 05 13:53:05 <[g2]> many Jan 05 13:53:26 the smart motor controller (SMC), compass, IR ranger module, and a general IO one. Jan 05 13:54:12 so reading the sensors can be slow but no more than 10ms. Jan 05 13:55:05 Does the trick for now anyways. I have like 3 months left for the fire-fighting competition so I have to get cracking on the AI! Jan 05 13:55:22 I just hope openslug 3.0 will be released soon though. Jan 05 13:56:10 hmm Jan 05 13:56:15 VoodooZ: airborne robot? Jan 05 13:56:47 nope. Just a mobile one. (hard enough!) Jan 05 13:56:53 yeah Jan 05 13:57:04 * NAiL is working on an aeroslug Jan 05 13:57:40 NAiL, How's that going? Jan 05 13:57:50 VoodooZ: re 3.0... 2.6.15 is released, and there aren't that many bugs in slugbug IIRC Jan 05 13:57:59 so it shouldn't be too far off Jan 05 13:58:08 cool!! Jan 05 13:58:16 well, it's been kinda on ice for a while. I haven't had time for anything slug-related for months Jan 05 13:58:46 life can be a pain sometime eh! Jan 05 13:59:17 yeah Jan 05 13:59:18 hmm Jan 05 13:59:25 there's a couple of new bugs Jan 05 13:59:30 like? Jan 05 13:59:43 openslug-init_0.10.bb: when /etc/modprobe.conf exists, /etc/modprobe.d/* wont be evaluated Jan 05 13:59:48 openslug-init_0.10: no command line tool for the buzzer Jan 05 13:59:57 nothing that'll kill anyone :-P Jan 05 14:00:11 exactly. Jan 05 14:00:24 is the buzzer/leds programming interface still the same? Jan 05 14:00:38 That's mostly what I use. Jan 05 14:00:38 dunno Jan 05 14:00:48 I think that has changed Jan 05 14:01:55 ok. Not a show-stopper anyways. Jan 05 14:02:18 as long as my code runs an can communicate with my sensors/actuators via usb I'm happy. Jan 05 14:02:24 <[g2]> hey VoodooZ thx for the info Jan 05 14:02:26 Oh! and the camera of course! Jan 05 14:02:33 [g2], no problem. Jan 05 14:02:37 <[g2]> VoodooZ NAiL nice seeing you guys Jan 05 14:02:40 Why? are you thinking of doing the same? Jan 05 14:03:07 <[g2]> I'm looking for other toys to build for the Loft Jan 05 14:03:17 <[g2]> I'm playing with I2C a little now Jan 05 14:03:43 <[g2]> there are 3 I2C devices on the Loft, The EEPROM, Voltage/Temp sensor, and RTC Jan 05 14:05:33 <[g2]> I must run out for a bit Jan 05 14:05:35 <[g2]> bbl Jan 05 14:05:42 <[g2]> cheers guys, nice seeing you Jan 05 14:06:13 later. Jan 05 14:06:21 [g2], let me know if I can help Jan 05 14:07:06 doesn't the ixp have an internal i2c controller? Jan 05 14:07:25 think so, yes Jan 05 14:08:47 nope. It's a software-based one (at least on the slug) Jan 05 14:09:02 Which makes it a bit on the slow side. Jan 05 14:09:17 But totally acceptable for simply reading the RTC. Jan 05 14:12:50 <[g2]> VoodooZ right it's sw driven Jan 05 14:13:06 <[g2]> VoodooZ do you know how that's setup ? Jan 05 14:13:23 <[g2]> is it with interrupts on the SCL line ? Jan 05 14:13:31 <[g2]> and SDA is sampled or driven Jan 05 14:20:27 [g2], to be honest I'm not too sure. I might have known at some point. Jan 05 14:20:56 I Just know that master only implementation are much simpler to do than slave in software. Jan 05 14:21:58 It's probably not that complex. I remember simply having to swap the SCL pin to another free I/O and it was fairly easy. Jan 05 14:22:25 I guess it might be different for a new board like yours but then again it must similar than the slug. Jan 05 14:26:35 cu Jan 05 14:28:01 eFfeM-log: ping Jan 05 14:32:18 pong Jan 05 15:13:14 [g2], what's the Loft's web site URL again? Jan 05 15:13:48 I don't have it at home and I want to suggest it to a fellow robotics hobbyist Jan 05 15:13:50 giantshoulderinc.com Jan 05 15:14:59 Thanks mate Jan 05 15:30:48 <[g2]> VoodooZ_Log you'll want to look in hw-4533 and ab3 Jan 05 15:49:21 monotone access for nslu2-linux.org has been turned off while the database is fixed. Jan 05 15:49:39 See the latest message on nslu2-linux or nslu2-developers for more details and instructions on how to get ready to reapply for write access Jan 05 15:51:40 rwhitby: my reply got bounced bounced by yahoo, but you were on the CC:, so the mail wasn't enterily lost Jan 05 15:51:47 * koen|sleep really zzzz now **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jan 06 02:59:57 2006