**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jan 07 02:59:58 2006 Jan 07 05:15:28 koen, I was triggered by a msg in the nslu2 mailing list to the following oe mail:http://www.handhelds.org/hypermail/oe/52/5276.html Jan 07 05:15:41 basically this lists me as one of the people not having followed the instructions Jan 07 05:16:02 which is not too strange as I am not on the oe mailing list Jan 07 05:16:43 I just removed my old db and pulled a new one as per instructions of rwhitby Jan 07 05:16:53 eFfeM: It would be easy to get that information by looking at what public keys were in the old database versus the new database. Jan 07 05:16:55 is there anything else I would need to do to become a good citizen again? Jan 07 05:16:55 eFfeM: which isn't entirely fair because the nslu2 main db needed to be fixed first Jan 07 05:17:31 koen: As far as I know, eFfeM , myself, rwhitby, byront have all migrated our databases. Jan 07 05:18:00 koen: hehe and now that I know you are here... ;-) Jan 07 05:18:14 ah well, the fairness doesn't bother me that much, but I'd like to report that I migrated my db and if there is anything else I need to do, I'd like to know Jan 07 05:18:21 was there any hackery involved with making viewmtn-0.05 to work ? Jan 07 05:18:22 dyoung-away: afaik rwhitby will enable your keys on monotone.snlu2-linux.org and poke me to do the same globally Jan 07 05:18:44 dyoung-away: viewmtn only requires a valid path for the icons Jan 07 05:18:45 koen, rwhitby already did enable me Jan 07 05:18:56 koen: Yep, I believe both of our keys are currently re-added on the nslu2-linux side. Jan 07 05:19:04 so I assume I'm fine now Jan 07 05:20:39 koen: Drat, guess I need to do more hacking then... my local copy grumbles about internal msql database errors. Jan 07 05:20:53 (local copy of viewmtn-0.05) Jan 07 05:21:10 eFfeM: I just reactivated your key on ewi546 Jan 07 05:21:26 I'll wait for a report from rwhitby for the rest of the people Jan 07 05:22:51 hehe I can wait. Jan 07 05:23:00 I'm not actually doing anything atm anyways. Jan 07 05:23:19 other than fighting infrastructure issues.... Jan 07 05:24:08 meanwhile I'll remind him to bug koen about known migrators. Jan 07 05:24:12 dyoung-away: your's was already activated :) Jan 07 05:24:34 koen: Drat. Guess I have no excuse now. :-) Jan 07 05:25:36 koen: did you have a chance to play more with your imic ? Jan 07 05:26:09 not yet Jan 07 05:26:43 I had a breif chat with eFfeM earlier about usb audio; so I tried using mine again; but I still cant seem to make it work with any consistancy. Jan 07 05:27:05 Yet, it works ok on a MacMini. Jan 07 05:27:26 Tempted to give up and use the dwery thingo. Jan 07 05:29:10 dyoung-away, i just tried mine on my fedora box and it works like a charm there. No idea why the slug will no do things. Jan 07 05:29:30 I tried enabling some kernel debug options for usb audio but that did not help much. Jan 07 05:29:59 Now planning to hack some logging in usb.c to log the usb communication Jan 07 05:30:24 I have a usb snoop log that I made under window$ Jan 07 05:30:39 would like to compare with something similar on fedora and slug Jan 07 05:31:31 Hmm, maybe I just have bad luck. It didnt do much on my sarge box, or my ubuntu-breezy box. Jan 07 05:31:37 (other than complain) Jan 07 05:32:18 as it sometimes works I fear it is either not initialised properly or that there is a timing issue Jan 07 05:32:40 hehe we need to be able to insert "sleep 1" in places at will ! Jan 07 05:32:50 i'll try to sort this out (but note that I do not have an imic, but an Philips PSC805 aurilium) Jan 07 05:33:35 could also be that some registerr or so is not initialised and that it is normally 0, but sometimes it is 1 after powering up Jan 07 05:34:02 eFfeM: have you tried your pvrusb2 thingo with mythtv backend yet ? Jan 07 05:35:16 dyoung-away, no. I've written my own recording daemon, separating the mythtv backend from the frontend seemed too much work Jan 07 05:35:44 first thing I found was that it wanted qt, which I didn't have (and i don't think i want it on my slug) Jan 07 05:36:00 is EOD (Effem's Own Daemon) availible anyplace? Jan 07 05:37:19 It is a bit of work... I was fiddling a debian package to get it all right; but there were zillions of cross deps that I never quite resolved. Jan 07 05:38:13 dyoung-away, if you want the daemon just drop me an email, it is not available for download yet, but I can mail it to you Jan 07 05:38:21 want to write a small man page first Jan 07 05:38:26 Okay; cool. Jan 07 05:38:55 I'd like to use the device for something at some point; but lack of time... Jan 07 05:38:57 i compiled it natively, but it should crosscompile as well. Jan 07 05:39:02 you have my email? Jan 07 05:39:05 I'll bug you about it in a few weeks. Jan 07 05:39:15 good Jan 07 05:39:51 I think so; I believe we exchanged information about the pvrusb2 before. hehe when you wanted to fix my bugs. :-) Jan 07 05:39:59 some months ago. Jan 07 05:40:03 the week after next week I'm away from my slug although I might have some time for email Jan 07 05:40:08 yeah, I can find you Jan 07 05:40:10 np Jan 07 05:40:23 all, something unrelated Jan 07 05:40:25 yep, you know where I am. Jan 07 05:40:38 I'm rebuilding openslug from scratch and during the recompile of glibc I got: Jan 07 05:40:39 NOTE: Multiple libraries (libnss_hesiod.so.2, libnss_nis.so.2, libnss_nisplus.so.2) found and LEAD_SONAME not defined Jan 07 05:40:50 ow. Jan 07 05:40:56 is this harmful ? Jan 07 05:41:05 Not sure. Jan 07 05:41:06 should this require fixing? Jan 07 05:42:12 again, not really sure. Jan 07 05:42:35 I inspected the autobuild logs, and it didnt have that complaint. Jan 07 05:42:36 anyone else? koen perhaps ? Jan 07 05:42:58 no idea Jan 07 05:42:59 but I'm not sure if it was built fresh recently. Jan 07 05:43:10 I try to stay away from glibc as far as I can Jan 07 05:43:25 I started from scratch with the master makefile and during the rebuilt this caught my attention Jan 07 05:43:29 koen, same here Jan 07 07:25:27 hi which is the cross development command to build the new kernel 2.6.15 for OpensluG? Jan 07 08:55:19 rwhitby, I just wanted to push my first change, but I get Jan 07 08:55:21 monotone: read from fd 6 (peer monotone.nslu2-linux.org) failed, disconnecting Jan 07 08:55:41 any idea what is wrong? I can pull from it so it is not dead Jan 07 08:56:34 also once it is propagated I would appreciate if you or koen checked that I did everything right Jan 07 08:57:16 that looks like your key wasn't activated properly on m.n-l.o Jan 07 09:00:03 koen, that is what I thought as well, and therefore I was paging Rod. Jan 07 09:00:43 oh well, the change can wait Jan 07 09:01:09 only an upgrade from pvrusb2-mci from the 20060101 version to 20060103 Jan 07 09:21:06 hi, i want to retire a few versions of the pvrusb2 driver (6 seemed a little bit too much). I know I can remove a file using monotone drop, but can anyone explain how I remove a directory? or is an empty dir removed automagically???? Jan 07 09:23:04 directory handling is buggy in monotone < 0.26 Jan 07 09:26:04 0.26, geez, 0.25 was just released on 2005-12-29 Jan 07 09:27:08 0.26 isn't out yet Jan 07 09:27:34 so you're fixing that problem? ;) Jan 07 09:27:42 heh Jan 07 09:28:11 right now monotone only tracks files and creates dirs on demands Jan 07 09:28:22 deleting a dir is hit and miss at the moment Jan 07 09:28:41 mainly miss I presume Jan 07 09:29:17 indeed Jan 07 09:43:05 i'm on 0.25 Jan 07 09:43:57 do I need to do something to remove this dir, or should I leave things as they are and not remove the old pvrusb2 driver releases Jan 07 09:46:03 I thinks it's safest to leave the old releases Jan 07 09:46:49 ok, fine with me Jan 07 10:02:47 rwhitby, now pushing my change did work, so the issue is resolved Jan 07 10:03:03 would appreciate if you would check that I did things right. Jan 07 13:10:12 koen: please enable mwester@o.o and eFfeM@o.o for write access to monotone Jan 07 13:10:42 koen: also dyoung@nslu2-linux.org Jan 07 13:12:29 I think you also should poke mwester to send his key to mickeyl and me :) Jan 07 13:13:07 actually that isn't needed, his key will propagate after a commit Jan 07 13:13:19 I reactivated all 3 keys on ewi Jan 07 13:13:23 thx. Jan 07 13:13:33 mwester is working on Unslung 6.x Jan 07 13:14:55 cool, any special new features or urgent bug fixes planned in unslung 6? Jan 07 13:15:18 rwhitby: is this channel getting renamed to slugos as well? Jan 07 13:20:11 kfm82: NTFS support and multiple disks. basically a sync-up with the R63 firmware from Linksys Jan 07 13:20:56 koen: probably not. "OpenSlug" is still the public name of the distribution. "SlugOS" is the internal developer name for the basis of OpenSlug, UcSlugC and DebianSlug. Jan 07 13:21:18 (those are the three public distro names) Jan 07 13:21:45 OpenSlug = slugos-bag, DebianSlug = slugos-lag, UcSlugC = slugos-btu. Jan 07 13:21:59 (big/little, arm/thumb, glibc/uclibc) Jan 07 13:22:10 * koen needs more time Jan 07 13:22:19 I'd like to see mythtv working Jan 07 13:23:01 on a slug with pvrusb ? Jan 07 13:23:12 that's the plan Jan 07 13:23:26 or on a loft with pvrusb or mpeg2 tuner Jan 07 13:34:05 this one loooks cute as well: http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS9684776162.html Jan 07 13:37:12 koen: yeah, there is open source firmware for those too Jan 07 13:45:19 someone was working on gp2x support for OE as well Jan 07 13:45:43 rwhitby: any luck on getting those fancy dvd players sponsored? Jan 07 13:51:30 koen: nope, no response at all :-( Jan 07 13:51:40 ah, too bad **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jan 07 16:04:11 2006 Jan 07 16:17:28 hello everybody. About HD spindown: Is the scsi-idle patch needed for spining down the HD already inclued in the openslug 2.7 images dating 2005-09-28 ? Jan 07 16:17:49 no Jan 07 16:18:11 it will be in 3.x when it is released. Jan 07 16:18:20 Thx. installing cross-compiler now ... Jan 07 16:18:21 http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/openembedded/.message/7e5b9 Jan 07 16:18:59 hmm, that doesn't say which date it went in Jan 07 16:19:30 friday 10:42 according to my news reader :) Jan 07 16:19:33 pumpkin0: why are you installing a cross compiler? the master makefile (which drives OE) builds one for you Jan 07 16:21:07 errr, sorry, that's what i meant. Thx & bye Jan 07 17:06:10 We need to migrate SlugOS information from wiki/OpenSlug/foo to wiki/SlugOS/foo (see wiki/SlugOS/HomePage for details). Jan 07 17:06:26 That will save us saying things three times (once each for OpenSlug, DebianSlug and UcSlugC) Jan 07 17:12:52 In particular, anything that is referenced on http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/DebianSlug/BuildDebianSlug needs to be moved from OpenSlug to SlugOS Jan 07 17:57:37 * joeyh debootstraps debian onto his LE slug :-) Jan 07 18:08:30 congrats! Jan 07 18:08:38 question about turnup... if I turnup disk after doing this, does it still use the flash during the process of booting from disk, or not? Jan 07 18:09:07 it uses the kernel and /linuxrc from jffs2 to pivot to the external disk Jan 07 18:09:46 so if I want to play with deveoping flash images, I need to be prepared to hard load the flash, I assume this involves the reset button Jan 07 18:12:40 joeyh: easiest is to add a serial port, and then you can tftp images into flash Jan 07 18:13:03 the serial-less method involves putting into upgrade mode with the reset button method (or any of the other methods) Jan 07 18:13:32 and then using SerComm upgrade (from windows), or UpSlug2 (from Linux) Jan 07 18:13:56 netconsole is enabled in the kernel, but I've never worked out how to use it Jan 07 18:14:16 (I think others have - a wiki page for that would be good) Jan 07 18:15:10 joeyh: but our community rule #5 says you don't let friends flash custom firmware without confirmed redboot access (or confirmed upgrade mode access) Jan 07 18:15:57 yeah, I'd obviously make sure I could flash it first Jan 07 18:16:26 we haven't had any real bricks from custom firmware yet. All bad flashes have been recoverable with upgrade mode. Jan 07 18:16:53 (there was one which required JTAG, but that was a bug in a very early prototype of the image creation tool which overwrote the bootloader) Jan 07 18:17:01 (and was fixed before becoming public) Jan 07 18:17:22 (ask jacques about that one sometime ....) Jan 07 18:19:04 there's apparently a cancd that supports netconsole, that's an interesting idea Jan 07 18:20:01 * rwhitby goes off to is grandfather-in-law's 90th birthday Jan 07 18:43:22 * ByronT is away: auto-away after 180m idle Jan 07 18:51:19 <[g2]> rwhitby netconsole was written up on the wiki and it works Jan 07 20:47:07 greetings all Jan 07 21:27:42 got a quick q. is there an opendebianslug channel or is this pretty much it Jan 07 21:31:57 anyway getting an error trying to export an nfs filesystem Jan 07 21:35:16 there is a #debonaras channel Jan 07 21:38:17 ah, cool thanks ByronT-Away Jan 07 21:38:20 thanks Jan 07 21:38:28 np Jan 07 23:10:12 joeyh: how's the debianslug going so far? Jan 07 23:12:42 oh, just finished debootstrap (dialup) Jan 07 23:12:58 I'm suprised that the /etc/hosts uses localhost.localdomain Jan 07 23:14:17 yeah, I'm sure a lot of that type of stuff will be fixed now we've gome *real* debian hackers on the case :-) Jan 07 23:17:00 is there some reason your fstab mounts /proc/bus/usb by hand? Jan 07 23:17:16 dunno - probably historical Jan 07 23:17:23 normally mountvirtfs takes care of that Jan 07 23:17:53 btw how do I recover if I gum up my debian system and it doesn't boot? Jan 07 23:19:51 well, if your debian doesn't get to the point where it deletes /.recovery, then on the next boot you're back into DebianSlug off the jffs2 rootfs. Jan 07 23:19:59 ah, ok Jan 07 23:20:00 perfect Jan 07 23:20:09 at the moment, we delete it in checkroot.sh Jan 07 23:20:43 we really need some sort of debianslug.deb package to do all the little things (like make the leds work and so forth) Jan 07 23:20:57 yeah, that would be good Jan 07 23:21:06 were there any errors in the wiki ? Jan 07 23:21:18 hmm, yes, one or two commands that won't work exactly as given Jan 07 23:21:49 I'm going to create a new DebianSlug/Bootstrap page right now - can you edit it when I'm done? Jan 07 23:22:13 ok, does the wiki allow anon edits? Jan 07 23:22:29 I tried to edit the DebianSlugUsers page but save didn't seem to work Jan 07 23:25:02 edit this page with the corrections: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/DebianSlug/Bootstrap Jan 07 23:28:10 hmm - you should be able to edit DebianSlugUsers ... Jan 07 23:33:19 same problem on this page, when I hit save it just reloads the edit page w/o saving Jan 07 23:34:20 I hope our wiki is not excluding standards-based browsers or something ... Jan 07 23:34:32 ok, can you tell me which things need fixing then? Jan 07 23:34:42 I'm using firefox, fwiw Jan 07 23:36:28 the http://ftp.debian.org/ needs to be http://ftp.debian.org/debian ; need to cd .. before copying the etc files in ; /etc/defaultdomain is not used afaik ; archive key retreival not needed for sid anymore Jan 07 23:45:12 it's also a good idea to edit /etc/default/rcS and set FSCKFIX=yes Jan 07 23:45:28 what is the story behind the date setting thing at the bottom of the page? Jan 07 23:46:00 dunno Jan 07 23:46:19 if you set it right in the stock firmware, then it should be right in DebianSlug too Jan 07 23:46:28 doesn't even seem it would set the hardware clock Jan 07 23:46:50 mine's horribly wrong, like to get rid of stock w ASAP Jan 07 23:46:57 but I'll run an ntp server, so.. Jan 07 23:47:04 s/w/fw/ Jan 07 23:47:04 joeyh meant: but I'll run an ntp server, so.. Jan 07 23:49:53 So the apt-get update and two gpg commands can go? Jan 07 23:50:17 yes Jan 07 23:52:19 oh also, at the bottom it typos module-init-tools (leaves off the s) Jan 08 00:00:04 also it typos the gpg package name as "gpg" Jan 08 00:00:10 should be gnupg Jan 08 00:00:52 but gpg is installed by default anyway Jan 08 00:02:13 ah, that's why it said to set the date, if it's set to 1999 like mine apt is not happy about keys with creation dates in the future Jan 08 00:04:28 ok, I think I've made all those changes - please check again now. Jan 08 00:10:44 yeah, that looks pretty good Jan 08 00:17:04 yurk, I told you wrong, http://ftp.debian.org/ will work, adding debian to the end doesn't Jan 08 00:30:16 what other neat slug-specific tools are there besides the leds progrm? Jan 08 00:35:54 that's about it I think - what were you looking for? Jan 08 00:36:03 just rummaging while it installs ssh Jan 08 00:36:23 perhaps I should have installed dropbear instead Jan 08 00:37:00 "reflash" is a program which we should port to debian. Jan 08 00:37:19 I installs a new kernel and jffs2 whilst saving all your configuration settings. Jan 08 00:48:16 * joeyh boots debian Jan 08 00:48:45 worked, nice Jan 08 00:49:54 verified you don't need that usbfs fstab entry Jan 08 00:50:59 it's gone :-) Jan 08 00:52:17 I'm suprised at how small the slug is compared to other stuff like the wrt .. combined with my tiny little 512 mb usb key, this is the second smallest debian system I hae Jan 08 00:54:25 and the smallest is? Jan 08 00:54:43 bitsyxb without its personality board comes out just a hare smaller Jan 08 00:55:01 although I think it might be a hair larger if it were in a proper case Jan 08 00:58:47 joeyh: FYI: kernel patches are at cvs.sf.net/nslu "kernel" module. Jan 08 00:59:22 (and also in OpenEmbedded monotone repo, of course). Jan 08 01:04:13 ah good, bootlogd works Jan 08 01:58:01 joeyh: please let us know anything you see which does not feel like a normal debian system Jan 08 01:58:31 I've noticed hwclock isn't working (unless I missed a kernel module), otherwise no issues so far Jan 08 01:58:55 should be working, does /dev/rtc exist (that was the last bug) Jan 08 01:59:21 bbiab Jan 08 01:59:22 it didn't with devfs, I tried linking /dev/rtc0 to it Jan 08 01:59:32 s/devfs/udev/ Jan 08 01:59:33 joeyh meant: it didn't with udev, I tried linking /dev/rtc0 to it Jan 08 02:00:49 * joeyh needs to go to bed, ttyl Jan 08 02:09:59 yeah, /dev/rtc is a known problem Jan 08 02:10:26 we're using alessandro zummo's new RTC class, and it doesn't link /dev/rtc to /dev/rtc0 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jan 08 02:59:56 2006