**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jan 10 02:59:56 2006 Jan 10 07:58:13 I'm trying to get back on the monotone wagon but I can't seem to be able to find the Intel downloads using the Makefile wiki page's link. Jan 10 08:00:20 never mind. I had to log in first... dope! Jan 10 08:55:40 hi i always get this error when i am trying to launch xinetd : Stopping internet superserver: xinetd/etc/init.d/xinetd: 55: start-stop-daemon: not found Jan 10 08:55:40 . Jan 10 08:55:41 Starting internet superserver: xinetd/etc/init.d/xinetd: 55: start-stop-daemon: not found Jan 10 08:57:09 kami22: does /sbin/start-stop-daemon exist ? Jan 10 08:59:33 okay problem solved /etc/profile was the problem :) Jan 10 09:08:28 Anyone awake here? having trouble building from scratch Jan 10 09:10:02 definie "trouble" ? Jan 10 09:10:26 download Makefile in fresh dir Jan 10 09:10:48 then i ran make prefetch-ucslugc Jan 10 09:11:08 hmm Jan 10 09:11:14 try make setup-ucslugc first Jan 10 09:11:27 cant find '/data/slug/ucslugc/tmp/staging/armeb-linux-uclibc/kernel/kernel-abiversion' Jan 10 09:11:51 cause '/data/slug/ucslugc/tmp/staging' does not exist Jan 10 09:11:58 will try setup now. Jan 10 09:12:39 I might switch to ucslugc for my bot soon. Does it support pthreads though? Jan 10 09:12:54 hey voodoo/nail, long time no see guys Jan 10 09:13:16 not sure. will know in a few hours :) Jan 10 09:14:01 cool. let me know how it went. I'm starting to build openslug using monotone for the first time since this summer. Jan 10 09:14:09 me too Jan 10 09:14:31 NAiL, same error Jan 10 09:14:53 bb.build.FuncFailed:("can't read from file '%s' (%s)", ('/data/slug/ucslugc/tmp/staging/armeb-linux-uclibc/kernel/kernel-abiversion' Jan 10 09:15:17 cause i dont even have tmp/staging Jan 10 09:16:11 do i need to make ucslugc-kernel first? Jan 10 09:22:37 hmm- seems like it Jan 10 09:22:50 starting over. i want to make sure this works :) Jan 10 09:27:38 I'll give it a try too once my openslug build ends... Jan 10 09:31:01 i am trying to figure out where in the process to download and install the intel libs. Jan 10 09:33:15 VoodooZ_Work, how is your robot going? last we talked, you did not compete in last competition? Jan 10 09:36:26 Is openslug still under active development? I'm wondering because releases seem to have been frequent in the past but there wasn't a new one for quite some time now. Jan 10 09:39:06 fschmitt, it seems pretty active Jan 10 09:39:43 but alot of the activity is in optware packages, that dont affect openslug directly Jan 10 09:41:03 I thought you had to get the intel libs even before starting. That's what I did. Jan 10 09:41:14 yeah, but there is no dir to put them in Jan 10 09:41:22 until you run something Jan 10 09:41:36 just trying to figure out what that something is Jan 10 09:41:37 the competition is coming in April and with all the time I wasted doing that vision stuff It might be tough to make it but I'll try. Jan 10 09:41:41 86 days left! Jan 10 09:41:44 hahah Jan 10 09:42:01 i sign up for contests and miss the deadlines all the time. Jan 10 09:42:42 the guy who draws dilbert says 'i love deadlines, i love the whooshing sound they make as they fly by' Jan 10 09:44:41 * VoodooZ_Work is on the phone Jan 10 09:45:24 * kitno455 is foraging for food Jan 10 09:48:07 * VoodooZ_Work can't wait for lunch time... Jan 10 09:50:19 sorry. girlfriend was on the phone... Jan 10 09:51:00 Yeah so my robot is far from finish but I'm aiming for the perfect algorithms so I can still make it with a more simple approach. Jan 10 09:54:41 * kitno455 returns with food Jan 10 09:55:11 * VoodooZ_Work leaves for the caf with his lunch. Jan 10 09:55:15 bbl Jan 10 09:55:19 adios Jan 10 10:54:36 * VoodooZ_Work is still hungry Jan 10 10:55:06 here you go. Openslug bailed out on me. yipee. fond memories. :) Jan 10 10:55:17 haha Jan 10 10:55:31 I get ERROR: Nothing provides (2.6.15) Jan 10 10:55:31 ERROR: dependency (2.6.15) (for ixp-osal) not satisfied Jan 10 10:55:31 NOTE: no buildable providers for ixp-osal Jan 10 10:55:31 ERROR: dependency ixp-osal (for ixp4xx-csr) not satisfied Jan 10 10:55:31 NOTE: no buildable providers for ixp4xx-csr Jan 10 10:55:33 ERROR: dependency ixp4xx-csr (for ixp400-eth) not satisfied Jan 10 10:55:35 ERROR: Nothing provides (2.6.15) Jan 10 10:55:37 ERROR: dependency (2.6.15) (for ixp-osal) not satisfied Jan 10 10:55:39 NOTE: no buildable providers for ixp-osal Jan 10 10:55:41 ERROR: dependency ixp-osal (for ixp4xx-csr) not satisfied Jan 10 10:55:43 NOTE: no buildable providers for ixp4xx-csr Jan 10 10:55:45 ERROR: dependency ixp4xx-csr (for ixp425-eth) not satisfied Jan 10 10:55:47 NOTE: no buildable providers for virtual/ixp-eth Jan 10 10:55:49 ERROR: dependency virtual/ixp-eth (for slugos-image) not satisfied Jan 10 10:55:51 NOTE: no buildable providers for openslug-image Jan 10 10:55:58 But those are in the downloads folder. Unless the md5s are wrong? Jan 10 10:56:19 did you build the md5s yourself? Jan 10 10:56:24 yeah. Jan 10 10:56:41 the wiki pages says bb will make them for you Jan 10 10:57:17 are the names the same as in the bb file for ixp? Jan 10 10:57:20 that's why I expect it to be wrong Jan 10 10:57:57 Actually, it will make them for you when it downloads the file but not in the case of the CSR stuff as you have to download them yourself. Jan 10 10:58:16 I only got the two zip files as the wiki page says Jan 10 10:58:18 oh, i have not hit that yet Jan 10 10:58:36 currently unpacking the kernel- Jan 10 10:58:39 i did md5sum -b . is this ok. Jan 10 11:00:07 nothing provides 2.6.15? Jan 10 11:00:22 that's what it says. I really have no clue. Jan 10 11:00:30 I've been out of the loop for a while. Jan 10 11:00:32 check the .bb file for the kernel? Jan 10 11:00:39 me too. Jan 10 11:00:47 well, it should still download it for me. Jan 10 11:00:49 weird we start back on the same day Jan 10 11:01:06 actually, I probably got the idea because of you. Jan 10 11:01:10 yeah, it downloaded it, but i bet that the kernel .bb file 'provides' something else Jan 10 11:01:13 what? Jan 10 11:01:17 Plus I happened to stumble on the wiki pages. Jan 10 11:01:38 * VoodooZ_Work is trying to locate the kernel files.... Jan 10 11:01:42 too many projects Jan 10 11:01:55 yep Jan 10 11:02:34 i've been playing with biodiesel lately Jan 10 11:03:01 as in car fuel? Jan 10 11:03:05 yeap Jan 10 11:03:18 works good? Jan 10 11:03:33 what if we built the slugos thingy instead? Jan 10 11:03:36 convert waste vegetable cooking oil into motor fuel in an old water heater Jan 10 11:03:46 i dont understand slugos stuff. Jan 10 11:03:54 me neither! Jan 10 11:03:59 slugos-bag=openslug Jan 10 11:04:00 did you find the .bb files Jan 10 11:04:09 slugos is just a container Jan 10 11:04:30 NAiL, so make build-openslug-image is really slugos-bag? Jan 10 11:04:44 As far as I've understood, yes Jan 10 11:04:45 big endian, arm, glibc? Jan 10 11:04:50 kitno455: correct Jan 10 11:05:03 as opposed to little-endian, thumb, uclibc Jan 10 11:05:12 ucslugc. Jan 10 11:05:25 ucslugc is le? Jan 10 11:05:28 ucslugc was traditionally BE though Jan 10 11:05:39 yep. sorry Jan 10 11:05:46 ok Jan 10 11:06:05 NAiL, have you built openslug latest head succesfully? Jan 10 11:06:19 I haven't built anything for a long time, I'm afraid Jan 10 11:06:28 right now I'm trying to get monotone working on my ubuntu box Jan 10 11:06:29 I'm rusty and I get a bunch of dependencies Jan 10 11:06:57 but I think next time I'll try going LE Jan 10 11:07:07 see if my wifi dongle works better Jan 10 11:07:12 (and my scanner) Jan 10 11:07:23 what scanner Jan 10 11:07:34 I wonder if ucslugc supports pthreads though. Jan 10 11:07:36 i am a sane devel on occasion Jan 10 11:07:41 Trust Easy Webscan 19200 Jan 10 11:07:52 it's a rebadged something Jan 10 11:07:53 what backend does it use Jan 10 11:07:57 cool. I bought a Trust Spacecam 380 USB2. Jan 10 11:08:03 for my bot. real fast Jan 10 11:09:49 NAiL, most scanner issues are going to be alignment related Jan 10 11:10:06 yes Jan 10 11:10:08 look at the sane patch that DAKA made for the plustek backend Jan 10 11:10:12 I don't understand. the 2.6.15 folder appears to exist in packages/linux/nslu2-kernel/ Jan 10 11:10:13 it looks that way on the image Jan 10 11:10:24 and I discussed it with DaKa ;) Jan 10 11:10:29 but I've gotta go Jan 10 11:10:30 bbl Jan 10 11:10:32 adios Jan 10 11:10:37 later Jan 10 11:11:08 I was hoping to have openslug working out-of-the-box but I guess not. Jan 10 11:11:14 VoodooZ_Work, hold up Jan 10 11:11:17 hm? Jan 10 11:11:24 hello old friend Jan 10 11:11:29 hey :-) Jan 10 11:11:34 I guess I might go back in hibernation for another month. :) Jan 10 11:11:35 long time no see Jan 10 11:11:44 yep :) Jan 10 11:11:55 VoodooZ_Work, can you find where in the ixp-osl file it specs the kernel? Jan 10 11:12:18 actually I don't even remember ever seeing anything about osl or osal! Jan 10 11:12:23 I'll dig... Jan 10 11:12:25 Im mostly inactive nowdays, waiting for better times with more playtime :-) Jan 10 11:12:47 look in openembedded/packages/ixp4xx/ Jan 10 11:12:52 yep. Jan 10 11:14:10 DaKa, i know the feeling. i have not been sleeping much the last 3 months Jan 10 11:14:47 yeah, and Im actually planning to leave "early" from work today, at 19:20.. Jan 10 11:14:53 haha Jan 10 11:15:21 ok guys, where do package dependencies get listed Jan 10 11:15:41 It appears I had my md5 wrong but it still doesn't work. Jan 10 11:15:57 VoodooZ_Work, look at the error again perhaps? Jan 10 11:15:57 unless I need to refresh something? Jan 10 11:16:08 it's the same as above Jan 10 11:16:26 ERROR: Nothing provides (2.6.15) Jan 10 11:16:26 ERROR: dependency (2.6.15) (for ixp-osal) not satisfied Jan 10 11:16:26 NOTE: no buildable providers for ixp-osal Jan 10 11:16:29 and more... Jan 10 11:16:32 ERROR: Nothing provides (2.6.15) Jan 10 11:16:41 strange naming too. Jan 10 11:16:50 doesn't mention the package name Jan 10 11:17:09 i am trying to find where in the osal file it list its reqirements Jan 10 11:17:26 I'll look again... Jan 10 11:20:49 VoodooZ_Work, other files have a 'DEPENDS' line. Jan 10 11:20:54 this one does not. Jan 10 11:20:59 ummm. odd Jan 10 11:21:03 but i do see: inherit module Jan 10 11:21:10 what is module. Jan 10 11:21:19 i bet it has a depends line in it Jan 10 11:21:21 a generic object for modules perhaps. Jan 10 11:21:31 right, including a depend on the kernel Jan 10 11:21:40 I don't know about that. Jan 10 11:22:01 I would think it would be a generic thing. the specifics should be somewhere else. Jan 10 11:22:09 unless it's kludge? Jan 10 11:22:22 would I need to use the binary option to make my md5sum? Jan 10 11:22:37 leave them out. dont make them see if it works? Jan 10 11:22:49 ok... Jan 10 11:24:26 I was using the -b option the first time. Jan 10 11:24:43 same thing... Jan 10 11:26:19 I guess I just assumed all this CSR stuff had been fixed a long time ago... Jan 10 11:26:24 yeah Jan 10 11:26:40 did the kernel image build ok? Jan 10 11:26:53 I don't even think it got there yet. Jan 10 11:26:55 I'll try manually. Jan 10 11:27:01 try doing a make openslug-kernel Jan 10 11:27:24 my ucslugc kern just finished Jan 10 11:27:34 perhaps I'll try that too then.. Jan 10 11:27:46 i only did the kern so far Jan 10 11:27:54 lets see if i get csr issues Jan 10 11:28:29 what's the procedure? make ucslugc-setup, then ??? Jan 10 11:28:43 here is what i did: Jan 10 11:29:06 wget --cache=off http://www.nslu2-linux.org/Makefile Jan 10 11:29:06 make setup-ucslugc Jan 10 11:29:06 # download intel access lib and npe microcode zip files Jan 10 11:29:06 cp ~/Desktop/IPL_ixp400AccessLibrary-2_1.zip ucslugc/downloads/ Jan 10 11:29:06 cp ~/Desktop/IPL_ixp400NpeLibrary-2_1.zip ucslugc/downloads/ Jan 10 11:29:07 make ucslugc-kernel Jan 10 11:29:22 yeah, got that. Jan 10 11:29:54 I read something about ucslugc having seperate rootfs & kernel bins so I guess there's a bunch of make targets. Jan 10 11:30:00 then: make ucslugc-image Jan 10 11:30:41 is that a combined image or just the rootfs? Jan 10 11:32:37 It apears to have built the kernel as it's in tmp/work/ Jan 10 11:39:43 scre openslug. I just started ucslugc instead. Jan 10 11:48:25 i get same csr error as you Jan 10 11:49:03 on ucslugc Jan 10 11:49:19 * kitno455 goes to restroom Jan 10 11:50:34 * kitno455 returns Jan 10 11:55:56 darn. Jan 10 11:56:14 is there an OE channel Jan 10 11:56:17 jbowler-zzz would know what's wrong right away as it's his baby. Jan 10 11:56:25 yep. Jan 10 11:56:43 but It's not an OE problem really. Jan 10 11:57:11 yes, but they could tell me where the provides and requires are located Jan 10 11:57:43 I guess you could try. Jan 10 11:57:59 it's #oe Jan 10 11:58:30 bbiab Jan 10 11:59:11 cool Jan 10 12:00:33 Anyone building openslug needs to build 1b601f0ec6ab29681a14be2f437f3ea7d01e877b or an immediate descendant until slugos-image.bb is fixed Jan 10 12:01:01 jbowler-zzz, what about ucslugc? Jan 10 12:01:05 ah! Jan 10 12:01:24 i dont understand what that number is Jan 10 12:01:57 It's a monotone revision - montone update --revision= Jan 10 12:02:24 wow! you answered the question I had time to ask it! Jan 10 12:02:39 that is an old revision? new revision is broken? Jan 10 12:03:12 Anything using slugos-image (which is all the NSLU2 images) needs to do that. You can build the packages one-by-one but the image .bb is apparently broken by RP's changes (I think he's not making the required changes to anything but task-bootstrap) Jan 10 12:03:46 so both ucslugc and openslug? Jan 10 12:03:58 Well, they are both NSLU2 images... Jan 10 12:04:14 sorry. I've been a bit out of the loop Jan 10 12:04:29 btw, does ucslugc have pthreads built-in by default? Jan 10 12:04:34 ok, so it is something about the image.bb that causes ixp-osal to not be able to find 2.6.15? Jan 10 12:04:34 In fact the lude (nas100d) stuff is broken too, and I suspect loft/avila Jan 10 12:04:51 I'm thinking of moving my bot over to ucslugc Jan 10 12:05:13 VoodooZ_Work: uclibc should have pthreads, but I remember discussions in the last 6 months about whether it was working right. Jan 10 12:05:42 ok. I'll keep that in mind but I don't need much. just basic threading and mutex. Jan 10 12:06:04 VoodooZ_Work: you might want to try slugos-[lb]ag - i.e. big or little endian ARM32, glibc, but deconfigured (openslug is slugos-bag with loads of stuff added) Jan 10 12:06:30 yep! that sounds like a great idea. I don't want all that extra fluff. Jan 10 12:06:42 jbowler-zzz, sorry to be such a noob, but what dir should i be sitting in when i run the monotone update? Jan 10 12:06:47 do you think the thumb support would speed things up or help in any ways? Jan 10 12:06:58 I had problems with mutex stuff - in the Berkeley DB (IIRC) I ended up writing Thumb assembler, so you might want to use 'a' not 't' Jan 10 12:07:12 ok. noted. thanks. Jan 10 12:07:21 I get:[stephane@gauss openslug]$ monotone update --revision=1b601f0ec6ab29681a14be2f437f3ea7d01e877b Jan 10 12:07:21 monotone: selected update target 1b601f0ec6ab29681a14be2f437f3ea7d01e877b Jan 10 12:07:21 monotone: misuse: revision 1b601f0ec6ab29681a14be2f437f3ea7d01e877b is not a member of branch org.nslu2-linux.dev Jan 10 12:07:21 monotone: misuse: try again with explicit --branch Jan 10 12:07:25 If you are in flash and it all fits then thumb won't make any significant difference I think. Jan 10 12:07:47 VoodooZ_Work: cd openembedded first Jan 10 12:07:53 dope! Jan 10 12:07:55 :) Jan 10 12:08:06 rusty I am! Jan 10 12:08:10 kitno455: openembedded Jan 10 12:08:14 thanks Jan 10 12:09:15 so this will move my monotone repo and all these .bb file back in time to some older version? or is it a branch of some kind? Jan 10 12:09:38 You can also build from the head by using bb -b slugos-image.bb (i.e. quote the file directly) but I don't have the faintest idea what will result. Jan 10 12:09:44 jbowler-zzz, what's the default slugos config of ucslugc? Jan 10 12:09:45 kitno455: yes Jan 10 12:10:54 jbowler-zzz, i built the kernel first. should i rebuild now that it's bb is likely changed? Jan 10 12:11:14 ucslugc is (currently) slugos-btu, I'm thinking maybe it should be LE but I'm not sure Jan 10 12:11:43 hmm, how many btu's can you get from a slug? Jan 10 12:11:46 ok. Jan 10 12:11:55 kitno455: it hasn't changed, all the changes in the head are in that revision, none of the PRs should have gone backward. Jan 10 12:12:05 the NPE/csr stuff works with LE now out of the box? Jan 10 12:12:19 Still, if that revision doesn't work incrementally remove the whole of tmp... Jan 10 12:12:57 VoodooZ_Work: yes, most of the time I use slugos-ltu now, but it's an arbitrary choice, there's no obvious difference BE vs LE Jan 10 12:13:17 jbowler, thanks Jan 10 12:13:35 well, It might make a difference for my i2c and I/O lib I wrote for my bot. Jan 10 12:13:53 I find myself having to invert words to match my AVRs MCUs. Jan 10 12:14:08 Then use LE Jan 10 12:14:15 cool. Jan 10 12:14:30 I'll definitely give it a try now that things are more stable. Jan 10 12:14:31 'leslug' is slugos-lag with all the openslug added (at least I think that's the name) Jan 10 12:14:55 wow. so many builds! I hope this documented! :) Jan 10 12:15:04 i think i still have to blast /tmp Jan 10 12:17:06 Try tmp/cache Jan 10 12:17:18 RPs changes really affect tmp/cache ;-) Jan 10 12:18:08 RP's changes are what in general? Jan 10 12:18:53 jbowler, Thanks again for all your excellent help! Jan 10 12:20:23 kitno455: when building an image all the RDEPENDS are required to be in the image, but the image is actually build from a closure of the DEPENDS. Jan 10 12:21:04 jbowler, if you are busy, just say so, but what is difference between DEPENDS and RDEPENDS? Jan 10 12:22:07 DEPENDS is the list of packages required to build a given package (that list must be staged before the package build), RDEPENDS is the list of packages required at run time for the installed package to work - RDEPENDS must be ipkg installed before the package Jan 10 12:23:10 ok, so i understand why an image would need all the RDEPENDS met. Jan 10 12:23:44 but what happen before RP's changes? Jan 10 12:26:26 cool! Openslug build completed. Jan 10 12:26:42 wow, your box faster than mine :) Jan 10 12:26:50 I'll have to try that on my slug tonight. Jan 10 12:26:59 well, it's a dual xeon from work so it helps. Jan 10 12:27:06 I didn't wipe tmp though Jan 10 12:27:13 on to ucslugc Jan 10 12:27:15 hmm, i had to wipe temp Jan 10 12:27:28 maybe i should build this on one of my servers :) Jan 10 12:27:45 I'll have to figure out how to flash the various ucslugc image files though .... Jan 10 12:27:53 upslug2 Jan 10 12:27:57 ? Jan 10 12:30:34 yeah but how does that work? Jan 10 12:30:45 can I run it under my openslug? Jan 10 12:31:11 there has to be a way to do it with the bootloader? Jan 10 12:32:21 kitno455: before RPs changes some OE image builders were adding RDEPENDS packages to DEPENDS so that their images would build (that isn't true of NSLU2), with RPs changes everything is broken... Jan 10 12:32:40 jbowler, at least it is now consistent :) Jan 10 12:33:21 jbowler, so what does that particular monotone update do? sets all RDEPS in the DEPS? Jan 10 12:34:43 VoodooZ_Work, the bootloader can tftp and write to flash anywhere it wants, so i bet it can be done. Jan 10 12:35:22 yeah, but the question is how? I hope it's on the wiki 'cause I'm not going to guess the memory location. too dangerous! Jan 10 12:35:30 haha Jan 10 12:35:35 I'd like to try apex soon to speed up bootups. Jan 10 12:35:46 oo, more goodies Jan 10 12:38:07 jbowler, what you are saying is that old image building process only included DEPENDS of all packages in image, but not RDEPENDS, so packages would build, but not run? Jan 10 12:43:40 <[g2]> kitno455 HEY! Happy new year Jan 10 12:44:36 g2- hello old friend Jan 10 12:44:49 i have been gone 3.5 months Jan 10 12:44:55 <[g2]> WB Jan 10 12:45:02 thanks. good to be here Jan 10 12:45:13 g2, can i get to your slides from last night? Jan 10 12:45:16 now tables have turned. i NEED the slug Jan 10 12:45:18 <[g2]> it's nice of you to drop in from time to time, you know you are always welcome Jan 10 12:45:38 <[g2]> daguz were you there last night ? Jan 10 12:45:55 well, i got a 3 month old son, so i dont get as much free time or sleep as i used to Jan 10 12:45:57 yup... first on your left Jan 10 12:46:05 <[g2]> daguz COOL! Jan 10 12:46:24 g2 you do a presentation? Jan 10 12:46:35 <[g2]> kitno455 yeah a little one Jan 10 12:46:44 <[g2]> I had a _great_ time Jan 10 12:46:52 hey, no comments on the size of my slug Jan 10 12:47:09 <[g2]> or the size of my memories :) Jan 10 12:47:39 hey [g2]! Jan 10 12:48:09 <[g2]> daguz I'll be giving the slides to Rob later this week or early next week Jan 10 12:48:17 <[g2]> I'll also have a copy on my web site Jan 10 12:48:25 ok. thanks. Jan 10 12:48:45 I got my slug, wrt, and soldering iron.... Jan 10 12:49:26 [g2], have you tested the more recent releases of apex on the slug recently? I'm tempted to flash it but i'm a bit scared. Jan 10 12:49:40 <[g2]> daguz was there something specific you wanted from the slides or just in general ? Jan 10 12:49:50 general. Jan 10 12:50:01 what was the presentation for? Jan 10 12:50:11 <[g2]> daguz ok Jan 10 12:50:23 <[g2]> it's a local user group meeting Jan 10 12:50:31 about the slug? Jan 10 12:50:39 * VoodooZ_Work is of a very curious nature! Jan 10 12:50:47 <[g2]> Yeah I talked about embedded linux and the nslu2 Jan 10 12:50:51 <[g2]> and nslu2-linux Jan 10 12:51:05 and all the other names that we learned today, right voodoo Jan 10 12:51:12 <[g2]> heh Jan 10 12:51:24 bag btu lag leslug, etc Jan 10 12:51:26 <[g2]> and I gave a "live debricking" of the loft Jan 10 12:51:37 on purpose :) Jan 10 12:51:37 <[g2]> via JTAG Jan 10 12:51:40 neat Jan 10 12:51:41 <[g2]> yeah Jan 10 12:51:53 kitno455: no the old process required the building of an image to know all the packages which had to be built to provide the ipks for RDEPENDS, supposedly with RPs changes this is no longer necessary - I'm just changing all the conf files to find out! Jan 10 12:52:10 jbowler, thanks Jan 10 12:52:35 jbowler, how will we know when the head is ready for primetime again? after you test? Jan 10 12:52:41 <[g2]> jbowler thx for looking the 2.6.15 kernel tweaks last night Jan 10 12:52:52 <[g2]> the BE version mostly built today for me Jan 10 12:53:05 * kitno455 says all hail jbowler Jan 10 12:53:11 or is that hale? Jan 10 12:53:12 <[g2]> ~praise jbowler Jan 10 12:53:15 All hail jbowler! Jan 10 12:54:07 * kitno455 has vision of lots of airborn white stones pummeling jbowler Jan 10 12:55:12 kitno455: either track email on oe@handhelds.org, or join #oe and wait for someone to start shouting Jan 10 12:55:25 <[g2]> daguz are you going to thursday's meeting ? Jan 10 13:04:24 g2, is there any reason to? will anything be different? Jan 10 13:04:39 I hate being around geeks that much in a week... haha Jan 10 13:05:08 <[g2]> daguz it'll probably change a lot Jan 10 13:05:24 <[g2]> but I was just curious Jan 10 13:06:08 We are looking to hire, so I might go for the "have a job" part.... Then I would stay for the pres... Jan 10 13:06:31 But watching another de-bricking is not that useful to me. Jan 10 13:07:38 I'm in it for the applications that can be run on a cool little box. I am not in it for the down and dirty stuff like you do... Jan 10 13:09:01 I am going to use this for home applications like a tivo replacement, personal webserver, asterisk server. Jan 10 13:09:30 Getting these all working and playing nicely is of most interest to me. Jan 10 13:10:26 kitno455: btw, my scanner uses artec_eplus48u. I had to go earlier, so I couldn't find the backend ;) Jan 10 13:12:07 <[g2]> daguz I'm totally there with you Jan 10 13:12:26 <[g2]> my web site is running this stuff on a slug Jan 10 13:12:31 <[g2]> on a T1 Jan 10 13:12:48 <[g2]> a full T1 Jan 10 13:13:02 <[g2]> what kinda web server are you looking to run Jan 10 13:13:19 Actually we run openACS with aolserver. Jan 10 13:13:26 I was going to try to get that going. Jan 10 13:13:35 Just for fun. Jan 10 13:13:52 <[g2]> have you built openslug ? Jan 10 13:14:05 MOst of our servers are dual core bla bla bla... so I wanted to see how many of these it would take to compete... :) Jan 10 13:14:08 never. Jan 10 13:14:26 NAiL, i have never looked at the artc backends Jan 10 13:14:29 I'm still fiddling with the thought of making my slug a bluetooth headset, so I can use ip-telephony to connect to my slug and call from my landline no matter where I am ;-) Jan 10 13:14:56 i need 250 slugs Jan 10 13:15:06 <[g2]> kitno455 what for ? Jan 10 13:15:06 slugArmy Jan 10 13:15:13 that'd be like... 2kW Jan 10 13:15:21 distributed Jan 10 13:15:28 <[g2]> more like 1.25 Jan 10 13:15:48 my company has a remote scanning system, where we install a laptop and scanner in schools Jan 10 13:15:59 <[g2]> kitno455 do you know I'm selling hw now ? Jan 10 13:16:20 they scan student bubble sheets, and POST them back to our server Jan 10 13:16:20 [g2]: if you max out the slug, it'll be somewhere around 1.8kW, won't it? Jan 10 13:16:52 <[g2]> NAiL it was 3.7/8 W last I measured with a USB 2.0 stick running full out Jan 10 13:17:01 <[g2]> 3.7-3.8 Jan 10 13:17:07 nice Jan 10 13:17:07 looking for a driveless, no moving parts low cost laptop replacement Jan 10 13:17:28 <[g2]> kitno455 http://www.giantshoulderinc.com Jan 10 13:17:29 Don't think usb-sticks are the most power-consuming though... I think my flatbed scanner might pull more ;-) Jan 10 13:17:38 <[g2]> kitno455 http://www.giantshoulderinc.com/hw-4533 Jan 10 13:17:41 g2, ive seen your gear Jan 10 13:17:52 <[g2]> ah ok Jan 10 13:18:47 g2 is the formfactor the same as an ebc board? Jan 10 13:19:06 <[g2]> the board is 4x6 Jan 10 13:19:25 <[g2]> but you probably don't need the dual ethers Jan 10 13:19:29 ah, a little larger than the ebc Jan 10 13:19:42 cost for 250 with case and power supply? Jan 10 13:20:06 <[g2]> Well the 533 64MB with case and PS are $349 Jan 10 13:20:23 <[g2]> those are Industrial Temp rated boards and parts Jan 10 13:20:48 bit overkill for my app. Jan 10 13:21:01 though for my home gateway, the dual eth is nice... Jan 10 13:21:10 <[g2]> and they do POE Jan 10 13:21:17 cool Jan 10 13:21:37 all my gear here is gigabit, so no poe Jan 10 13:22:03 <[g2]> my AMD64 does gigabit quite well Jan 10 13:22:09 * NAiL needs to buy some injectors Jan 10 13:22:17 <[g2]> I've got a Gigabit network at home Jan 10 13:22:20 NAiL, what sort of injector Jan 10 13:22:23 POE Jan 10 13:22:44 <[g2]> it serves up over 400Mbs from a single disk Jan 10 13:23:34 my server cluster is all gige, hp switch gear, pcie or pci-x nics. i can reach ~900mbs Jan 10 13:23:59 <[g2]> do you have come PCI-E Gige cards ? Jan 10 13:24:29 on-board, using either pcie internally, or dirrectly in the chipset Jan 10 13:24:46 <[g2]> and have you seen http://www.ddrdrive.com ? Jan 10 13:25:21 haha Jan 10 13:25:23 what is the point of that Jan 10 13:25:24 that's a nice one Jan 10 13:25:36 <[g2]> ~900 is for all intents and purpose line rate Jan 10 13:25:39 okay, [g2] Jan 10 13:26:02 yeah, i have 4 gigs of ram in all the boxes, most content is cached by os Jan 10 13:26:07 <[g2]> ~900 Jan 10 13:26:08 it has been said that 900 is for all intents and purpose line rate Jan 10 13:26:14 yeah Jan 10 13:26:23 you have to use large frames too Jan 10 13:26:35 <[g2]> I"m not Jan 10 13:26:46 <[g2]> it doesn't make a difference on my end Jan 10 13:26:59 i got a 100Mb host on that switch so i cant run large frames anymore Jan 10 13:27:12 <[g2]> The AMD64 does 2.3-2.4Gbs through the TCPIP stack Jan 10 13:27:14 so now i am down to maybe 700 Jan 10 13:27:26 depending on os tunes Jan 10 13:27:54 <[g2]> when it runs 400mbs the processor is only 20% loaded Jan 10 13:27:59 i really dont need that much BW, but the boxes came with cards Jan 10 13:28:09 <[g2]> and it's serving up nearly native disk speeds 55-60MBs Jan 10 13:28:29 if your driver supports interrupt combining, you can sometimes do better than 20% Jan 10 13:28:43 <[g2]> I could RAID the drive and probably go to 600+ but I don't really need that performance Jan 10 13:28:54 of course, we are dual cpu, so that helps too Jan 10 13:29:07 i like linux sw raid. have been using it for years Jan 10 13:29:10 <[g2]> xfer'ing my Knoppix DVD ISO of nearly a Gig was down to 28 seconds Jan 10 13:29:29 <[g2]> this is a 939 socket I could go X2 Jan 10 13:29:40 <[g2]> but I don't really have a need right now Jan 10 13:29:51 <[g2]> I'm looking to get that ddrdrive Jan 10 13:29:53 i got the X2's on special Jan 10 13:30:15 how much ram can your boards take, thats better than ddrdrive Jan 10 13:30:21 <[g2]> then I can have a 8G fulll build run from memory :) Jan 10 13:30:25 <[g2]> 8G Jan 10 13:30:38 <[g2]> this board 2 or 4G Jan 10 13:30:44 my boards all max out at 4G Jan 10 13:30:57 <[g2]> I think it might be 4G Jan 10 13:31:09 you know what i really want? an FPGA on a pcie card Jan 10 13:31:17 <[g2]> they sell those Jan 10 13:31:24 expensive Jan 10 13:31:29 <[g2]> for now :) Jan 10 13:31:30 i want a cheap one :) Jan 10 13:31:39 <[g2]> what do you want to do with the FPGA ? Jan 10 13:31:51 hehe, i could tell you, but then... Jan 10 13:32:06 actually, i want a pcie version of the pcweasel Jan 10 13:32:16 <[g2]> you should join us in #openjtag Jan 10 13:32:39 i dont really know any electronics. i just have a couple books Jan 10 13:32:43 <[g2]> what's the pcweasel ? Jan 10 13:32:52 www.realweasel.com Jan 10 13:32:57 <[g2]> we just need some VHDL coders :) Jan 10 13:33:11 they out of business now, but website is up Jan 10 13:34:48 <[g2]> kitno455 remote KVM Jan 10 13:34:49 neat Jan 10 13:35:27 i can log serial, and its cheap Jan 10 13:35:35 cant log kvm Jan 10 13:35:54 and they are expensive, bandwidth hogs Jan 10 13:36:12 real servers have serial console Jan 10 13:36:34 its the only thing that the average linux machine on cheap hardware lacks. Jan 10 13:37:40 kitno455, both ucslugc builds finished successfully. Jan 10 13:39:15 <[g2]> kitno455 can you go to #openjtag for a 5 minutes lennert isn't in here but he's there Jan 10 13:40:23 ok Jan 10 13:40:30 VoodooZ_Work, i got csr error Jan 10 13:40:36 really? Jan 10 13:40:41 VoodooZ_Work, did you manually make the md5s Jan 10 13:40:45 yep. Jan 10 13:40:49 i did not Jan 10 13:40:55 perhaps i will try that Jan 10 13:41:09 Just md5sum the zip files and copy the 32chars key to a file. Jan 10 13:41:27 the file is the same name with .md5 at the end. Jan 10 13:42:03 g2- hold on two minutes Jan 10 13:42:08 <[g2]> np Jan 10 13:43:31 NAiL: I heard that you maintain the samba package for openslug? Jan 10 13:43:50 erq: more or less Jan 10 13:44:16 We all kinda maintain it, I guess. But I'm probably the one that has been touching it the most. Jan 10 13:44:17 NAiL: is it ok to ask you a few questions about it? Jan 10 13:44:22 go ahead Jan 10 13:44:38 I have openslug 2.7b, samba 3.0.20-r2 Jan 10 13:45:10 when I browse my slug from my machines it dont report filesizes over 4G Jan 10 13:45:28 but when i ftp to the slug it shows up correctly Jan 10 13:45:47 I cannot access the files from my xbox or my windows-machines Jan 10 13:45:52 known problem, and frankly I've given up trying to fix it. It's a problem with crosscompiling samba that I just don't seem to get right Jan 10 13:46:05 ok Jan 10 13:46:10 to bad... =/ Jan 10 13:46:33 It's probably just fiddling with a few parameters in the site-config... but I don't know which :-\ Jan 10 13:47:03 stupid question maybe but it wouldnt matter to go over to unslung or anything else either? Jan 10 13:47:38 I think it works on unslung... but I don't know, since I don't use unslung Jan 10 13:47:46 ok Jan 10 13:48:40 the best is probably to compare the config used when crosscompiling samba for unslung and when compiling for opensluig Jan 10 13:48:45 s/sluig/slug/ Jan 10 13:48:46 NAiL meant: the best is probably to compare the config used when crosscompiling samba for unslung and when compiling for openslug Jan 10 13:48:57 heh Jan 10 13:49:16 hmm. ok Jan 10 13:49:28 I can try to look at it again when I get monotone working Jan 10 13:49:44 should show up if a user do smbd -b? Jan 10 13:49:46 right now, it doesn't work at all on my box, so I can't test anything Jan 10 13:50:15 erq: quite possible, yes Jan 10 13:50:21 looks quite similar to the site options Jan 10 13:50:28 ok Jan 10 13:50:57 anyone happen to be running an unslung slug here? Jan 10 13:51:13 si Jan 10 13:51:43 could you copy the output from smbd -b and paste it n pastebin.ca ? Jan 10 13:52:57 erq: I probably won't get around to fixing it today, since I have to get up in ~8 hours Jan 10 13:52:58 just a moment pls Jan 10 13:53:41 NAiL: oh, no problem! =) Jan 10 13:54:46 http://pastebin.com/499785 Jan 10 13:54:59 NAiL: the question remains: do samba work with files >4G on unslung? Jan 10 13:58:25 I'd try asking that in #nslu2-linux-general Jan 10 13:58:39 I've never touched unslung at all Jan 10 13:59:19 a quick way to generate a file > 4gb? Jan 10 13:59:37 something with dd? Jan 10 13:59:52 quickest I know is dd if=/dev/zero of=testfile bs=1M count=5000 Jan 10 14:00:07 that'll make a rather large file Jan 10 14:02:23 dd if=/dev/zero of=bigfile bs=1024 count=1 seek=$((1024*1024*1024)) Jan 10 14:02:53 thank you Jan 10 14:03:22 that one will give you a 1TB file that is using 1024byte Jan 10 14:04:25 which is much more, as i expected ;) Jan 10 14:05:51 VoodooZ_Work, ucslugc built Jan 10 14:06:02 after i made the md5s Jan 10 14:10:19 good Jan 10 14:10:32 Let me know if you figure out how to flash it. Jan 10 14:10:43 yes, i have image and zimage now Jan 10 14:23:27 bye Jan 10 14:38:34 <[g2]> senneth any reason you don't just count=1024*1024*1024 ? Jan 10 14:40:55 [g2]: i don't really want to fill up the disk Jan 10 14:41:28 mind the sparse feature of real file systems Jan 10 14:41:48 and it takes no time to create a big file Jan 10 14:42:43 <[g2]> senneth so that just writes the 1K block at the right spot and creatse all the FS meta data to get there Jan 10 14:43:20 that's not a dd feature, the underlying fs does it Jan 10 14:43:21 <[g2]> what happens when you dd that file back then ? zero, memory ? Jan 10 14:43:36 you will get zeros since it's sparse Jan 10 14:44:27 <[g2]> thx for reminding me how that works Jan 10 14:45:14 oh really reading the question is actually what i should have done, sorry Jan 10 14:45:47 i've no idea what happens, just give it a try Jan 10 14:48:31 <[g2]> senneth it's reading back 0's on a 4Gish file Jan 10 14:48:49 <[g2]> ext3 fs Jan 10 14:49:14 that's because all inodes point to the zero block Jan 10 14:51:36 You can put data into such an object if you want using devio - just seek to the place where you want the data and write it there. Jan 10 15:03:16 VoodooZ_Log: "LeSlug" was renamed to "DebianSlug", but is still just slugos-lag (an LE version of OpenSlug) Jan 10 15:03:45 jbowler-away: we should have devio into Debian in the next week or so. Jan 10 15:22:26 rwhitby: yes, I need to make it so that the ipkg on OE puts devio into /sbin because it's required during system boot, but that is OE specific. Jan 10 20:06:11 aaargh Jan 10 20:06:14 * NAiLzZz gives up Jan 10 20:07:38 I've tried installing monotone using .debs, and it complained about wrong glibc version (that's odd)... Compiling it manually, and it claims I don't have libboost Jan 10 20:08:38 (which I just compiled manually and installed) Jan 11 02:22:59 AwayNAiL: Dont know if you saw but caplink811 confirmed that it works in unslung 5.5 Jan 11 02:23:25 -rw------- 1 root root 5242880000 Jan 10 22:17 testfile Jan 11 02:23:37 win explorer ( via samba 3.0.14 imho and uNSLUng-5.5) shows that file with a size if 5.120.000 KB Jan 11 02:23:47 a ftp-client lists that file with a size of 5242880000 byte Jan 11 02:34:27 /crapbuster **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jan 11 02:59:58 2006