**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jan 16 02:59:58 2006 Jan 16 03:50:12 dumb bot Jan 16 03:50:41 dumb bot is stupid human Jan 16 03:50:46 dumb bot Jan 16 03:51:21 heh Jan 16 03:51:27 stupid human ;-) Jan 16 03:52:16 playing around with the blootbot... (apt) Jan 16 03:53:47 apt: wuz up? Jan 16 03:57:47 stein: hvor i landet, btw? Jan 16 03:58:02 blootbot: dumb bot is stupid human Jan 16 03:58:08 Andenes, su? Jan 16 03:58:14 trd Jan 16 03:58:14 du? Jan 16 03:58:42 Trøndelags perle? Jan 16 03:58:43 men ser ikke no' blootbot i kanalen her da ;-) Jan 16 03:58:51 hehe, verdens navle :-P Jan 16 03:59:24 OK, trodde apt var blootbot "Tim Riker's Blootbot" Jan 16 03:59:49 i alle fall det som stod i "Fullt navn".... Jan 16 04:00:05 prøv jbot på #nslu2-linux ;) Jan 16 04:00:37 OK, har ikke så mye peiling på bot'er... Prøver å slå ihjel litt tid ;-) Jan 16 04:01:45 Forresten, er det mye stress å lage ipg pakker? (og få de offentliggjort). Jeg har/ skal cross compile en del som ikke er i opelsug "arkivet". Jan 16 04:02:06 tilbake til engelsk ;-) Jan 16 04:02:13 10-4 Jan 16 04:02:31 that depends. Do you have a .bb file already? Jan 16 04:03:16 Nope, I've just made them by "hand" using crossdev in Gentoo... Jan 16 04:03:26 ah, what apps are we talking about? Jan 16 04:04:00 It's basically making a bitbake file, so that they can be automatically compiled and put in the feed Jan 16 04:04:01 Like unrar, php lib for apache integration, dokuwiki. Jan 16 04:04:44 ok, I think some work has been done on php/apache, but I haven't messed much with it. Jan 16 04:04:58 anyway, google for "MasterMakefile", and press "I feel lucky". Jan 16 04:05:07 I guess since these apps are in the unslung feed it would be simple to convert them openslug... Jan 16 04:05:17 not necessarily :-P Jan 16 04:05:45 but unrar might already be in the OE repo, just not in the openslug feed. Jan 16 04:06:44 OK. Well, I compiled it the other day. just what I need to unpack those bloody rar torrents :-) Jan 16 04:06:49 haha Jan 16 04:07:30 Point is that all software that goes into the feed has to be compiled using bitbake Jan 16 04:07:58 Yeah, I've messed around a bit with whole "Master Makefile", but found it easier just to combile them using crossdev... Jan 16 04:08:28 OK, I see... I might have to study the "Master Makefile" a bit more... Jan 16 04:09:01 feel free to bombard me with questions ;-) Jan 16 04:09:18 Well, time is flying when you have fun :-) Gotta go. Later! Jan 16 04:09:28 later Jan 16 04:42:51 anyone knows about the debianslug led-package? Jan 16 06:06:37 msg NickServ IDENTIFY magnana Jan 16 06:09:04 oops Jan 16 06:31:24 newbie on irc; sorry; rwhitby: comments on my nslu2-linux #10383, please ? Jan 16 06:32:47 Sure it's 10383? That's a message that I sent: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nslu2-linux/message/10383 Jan 16 06:33:05 Ah, 10838 Jan 16 06:33:15 10838, sorry again; seems I have a bad day ... Jan 16 06:33:22 No comments from me - I'm not the fatslug guy. Jan 16 06:34:13 ok, thanks; point me to someone ? Jan 16 06:34:30 there are very few people who have done the hardware modifications for a fatslug. I'm not one of them. Of the few who have, I don't know of anyone who's got the extra RAM to be visible in Linux. Jan 16 06:34:48 So you're breaking new ground, basically. Jan 16 06:35:39 I expected it's more or less trivial to modify apex to set MMU, then just a change to kernel cmd line Jan 16 06:37:17 well, I'll be interested to see the wiki page when you get it to work :-) Jan 16 06:37:26 * rwhitby goes to bed Jan 16 06:37:42 sure; once it works; goodnight, sir :) Jan 16 08:39:01 ka6sox, ka6sox-office: ping Jan 16 09:11:37 grrr Jan 16 09:11:59 the zd1211 problems became much, much worse with LE Jan 16 11:40:16 [g2], do you have any idea why the network would refuse to work (and some weird net-related kernel crashes) when booting from apex (from RAM)? I doubt it's my openslug-3.1 image as it works fine under redboot. Jan 16 11:40:39 I compared both log files and there's no difference in the log output. Jan 16 11:42:48 Unless it's because it's I'm running apex from RAM but I doubt it. I would flash it to test that theory but I'm a bit paranoid now. Jan 16 11:52:19 <[g2]> VoodooZ_Work hmmmm Jan 16 11:52:56 <[g2]> I vaguely remember there was an issue reset on the USB and there was something with IAL Jan 16 11:53:06 <[g2]> which version of the IAL are you running ? Jan 16 11:53:10 [g2], I'll have to talk to beewoolie later but he seems to think that it can't be apex once the kernel starts... Jan 16 11:53:14 <[g2]> 1.4, 1.5, 2.0, 2.1 Jan 16 11:53:25 whatever is the default with the latest openslug Jan 16 11:53:36 <[g2]> Ok that's 2.1 Jan 16 11:53:38 I remember download the 2.1 stuff so... Jan 16 11:54:01 <[g2]> I've never run with the latest, the initialization may be different Jan 16 11:54:22 I've even tried "Disable init of 2nd uart" in apex configuration just in case it might be messing up something. but no diff. Jan 16 11:54:34 <[g2]> nah... Jan 16 11:54:45 and you mostly used it with Loft boards right? Jan 16 11:54:51 Which are most different. Jan 16 11:55:03 <[g2]> I've never used APEX on the Lofts Jan 16 11:55:11 oh! Jan 16 11:55:25 <[g2]> I did use it a few times in on the Avila board Jan 16 11:55:28 So you've only tested them on the slug way back Jan 16 11:55:35 ok. Still pretty different. Jan 16 11:55:38 <[g2]> that was my test as I never had JTAG working on the NSLU2 Jan 16 11:55:46 <[g2]> right Jan 16 11:55:57 <[g2]> I verified on the Avila and flashed the slug Jan 16 11:56:02 thus why I'm paranoid to flash it. Jan 16 11:56:11 <[g2]> I must have flashed it 200 times Jan 16 11:56:17 apex? Jan 16 11:56:19 <[g2]> yeah Jan 16 11:56:29 wow. lots Jan 16 11:56:56 <[g2]> there were lots of versions of APEX and I'd switch between redboot and APEX for testing Jan 16 11:57:02 <[g2]> it was really trivial Jan 16 11:57:13 I tried disabling the MMU crap but no difference. Jan 16 11:57:19 <[g2]> just dd if=reboot.bin of=/dev/mtdblock0 Jan 16 11:57:36 <[g2]> or dd if=apex64.bin of=/dev/mtdblock0 Jan 16 11:57:44 <[g2]> ymmv :) Jan 16 11:57:46 mtdblock0? Jan 16 11:57:55 <[g2]> yeah Redboot Jan 16 11:58:06 is redboot.bin available on openslug or? Jan 16 11:58:29 <[g2]> just dd if=/dev/mtdblock0 of=redboot.bin Jan 16 11:58:46 <[g2]> then hex dump and go find your MAC at the right spot Jan 16 11:58:52 <[g2]> near the end Jan 16 11:59:03 <[g2]> you get a 256K block Jan 16 12:00:00 I wouldn't bother trying to figure this thing out but after tasting a 30secs boot with apex I can't go back! :) Jan 16 12:00:48 <[g2]> with 2.4 I think the Loft boot in around 10 seconds Jan 16 12:01:04 <[g2]> they're really lean but it's quite doable Jan 16 12:01:19 just trying to resurrect my nslu over jtag-interface, tried to load in redboot but it doesn't boot up . Has somebody a working Apex binary I could try with? Jan 16 12:01:45 <[g2]> asdbigmac you've got jtag working ? Jan 16 12:01:50 yup Jan 16 12:02:00 <[g2]> asdbigmac awesome Jan 16 12:02:09 <[g2]> asdbigmac do you know about #openjtag ? Jan 16 12:02:15 well, my apex bin does seem to cause problem with the latest openslug. Jan 16 12:02:27 works flawlessly, but that's the only thing that work Jan 16 12:02:32 asdbigmac, are you running openslug? which one? Jan 16 12:03:08 I can send you my latest apex if you are willing. Jan 16 12:03:31 I ran (before the device stalled and after a reboot nothing booted at all) Unslung, would have installed openslug next, because Unslug crashed sometimes Jan 16 12:03:35 at least you have jtag if something goes wrong. I don't so I've never tried flashing it. Jan 16 12:04:07 <[g2]> asdbigmac I think some ppl have a full Redboot Jan 16 12:04:21 Jtag is the way I would try to get it in, the device is completely dead (except of jtag) Jan 16 12:04:56 g2: tried to get it out of the latest linksys-binary like it's written on the homepage -> no boot Jan 16 12:05:22 <[g2]> asdbigmac the image did used to have redboot in Jan 16 12:05:26 <[g2]> it was all 00000 Jan 16 12:05:35 <[g2]> s/did/didn't Jan 16 12:06:27 I would have tried apex next, but if somebody has a known working redboot file I would try that too Jan 16 12:06:57 But a completely dead device without Warranty after 6 Weeks isn't that great Jan 16 12:08:40 you want my apex.bin Jan 16 12:08:43 VoodooZ_Work: If you have a working Apex I could try that, if you send it over Jan 16 12:08:47 oh .. Jan 16 12:09:10 yeah, I actually need some help testing it so it would be helpful for me too. Jan 16 12:09:42 if it works (and the device is unbricked through that) I'll give you a report ;-) Jan 16 12:10:07 good. Jan 16 12:10:33 can you accept a DCC file transfer or you want me to email it to you? Jan 16 12:10:49 hmm .. try DCC .. Jan 16 12:12:10 I already sent you a DCC offer... Jan 16 12:12:45 hmm .. ok seems not to work that way Jan 16 12:13:06 strange.. Maybe my work firewall is blocking it? Jan 16 12:13:12 Which way is best for you? Jan 16 12:13:13 perhaps Jan 16 12:13:23 I sent you my email some seconds ago Jan 16 12:13:36 via email? Jan 16 12:13:46 PM Jan 16 12:13:58 really? I don't see any PM session. Jan 16 12:14:28 I think non-registered member aren't allow to pm. Jan 16 12:14:34 yup Jan 16 12:15:19 send it to trash@rothlaender.net (don't mind the stupid email adress, it goes to my catchall-Mailbox) Jan 16 12:16:24 ok. Jan 16 12:25:34 when I 'reflash' the debianslug binary from a running openslug, are my partitions on harddisk getting modified? Jan 16 12:52:10 eFfeM: Do you know the error-text on the page you described? (http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/DebianSlug/BuildDebianSlug) Jan 16 12:55:20 I got this error http://pastebin.com/508591 using the reflash command with a debianslug-image Jan 16 13:41:24 cheef-daniel: that error is to be expected - you're trying to reflash from a BE jffs2 to a LE jffs2. Jan 16 13:42:02 reflash is not able to save settings from BE to LE (it would need to be able to load an opposite-endian JFFS2 to be able to do that). Jan 16 14:42:38 [g2], does doing dd 'if=/dev/mtdblock0 of=redboot.bin' in openslug sufficient to backup redboot in for later? Jan 16 14:43:34 oops. I meant 'dd if=/dev/mtdblock0 of=redboot.bin' Jan 16 14:44:00 I'll be back on later from home... Jan 16 14:47:19 [g2], never mind. I just reread the log and realised I missed your answer to question earlier. Jan 16 14:48:11 ~ymmv Jan 16 14:48:14 somebody said ymmv was Your Mileage May Vary Jan 16 15:03:33 <[g2]> VoodooZ_Log should be a binary copy of your redboot Jan 16 15:07:25 why won't my slug boot anymore after flashing a debianslug image? The orange led lights constantly Jan 16 15:11:52 can somebody send me a debianslug image? eventually mine is damaged Jan 16 15:21:44 asdbigmac, any updates on the apex flash? Jan 16 15:29:36 [g2], guess what. I got impatient and I flashed apex and it works fine! Jan 16 15:29:49 It's strange that it wouldn't work from RAM though. Jan 16 15:29:58 network works fine too. Jan 16 15:30:07 31secs boot. yipee! Jan 16 15:30:47 is there some way to test a image before uploading it? Jan 16 15:33:09 What kind of image are you talking about? openslug/unslung or a bootloader image? Jan 16 15:34:00 the debianslug image I build with bitbake Jan 16 15:34:45 sercom says upgrade successfull but on next reboot the slug hangs shortly after poweron Jan 16 15:39:11 not sure sorry. I only worked with openslug. Jan 16 15:43:19 <[g2]> VoodooZ I did the same thing. It mostly worked from RAM but then I flashed and it worked fine Jan 16 15:43:41 <[g2]> you really want to be careful though Jan 16 16:16:39 [g2], yeah, I guess I won't be touching it for a while. Jan 16 16:17:01 I have to start working on the robot code as the competition I'm aiming for is coming fast (april) Jan 16 16:17:34 Thanks for your dd method tip. works good. Jan 16 16:18:14 [g2], Is the same method applicable to openslug loads or should I use upslug? Jan 16 16:19:07 <[g2]> VoodooZ there's the reflash command in openslug right ? Jan 16 16:20:01 possible. Jan 16 16:20:07 I always used the redboot method. Jan 16 16:20:36 Does it take flashdisk.img as input or? Jan 16 16:21:30 hi ByronT Jan 16 16:22:00 do you know where to get a debianslug image? Jan 16 16:35:56 don't know that we have 'em yet... I haven't pointed debianslug.org anywheres *yet* ;) Jan 16 16:36:42 I know but my Image wont work Jan 16 16:36:48 I dont know why Jan 16 16:37:19 the flash run successfully but the next boot not Jan 16 16:37:40 don't know is the best I can do atm Jan 16 16:38:16 ;-( Jan 16 16:38:58 you could ask the folks in #debonaras - maybe someone is awake and at their computer who can help Jan 16 20:10:14 [g2], can I flash the ucslugc kernel and jffs2 images using the dd method and mtdblockx? Jan 16 20:13:31 <[g2]> VoodooZ I'd check what the latest is with reflash Jan 16 20:13:41 <[g2]> there's a -i option for Image Jan 16 20:13:47 <[g2]> it does both kernel and rootfs Jan 16 20:14:17 <[g2]> since jbowler-away is a ucslugc guy I'd be really surprised if it didn't work with that Jan 16 20:14:34 ok but it requires me to do a turnup ram. Jan 16 20:14:51 just curious as I like the command line dd method. Jan 16 20:15:10 <[g2]> yeah as your are probably running on the mtdblock you are trying to overwrite Jan 16 20:15:17 <[g2]> at least for the rootfs Jan 16 20:15:19 I guess the kernel is in mtdblock2 and jffs2 rootfs in mtdblock4 right? Jan 16 20:15:28 true Jan 16 20:15:36 <[g2]> something like that Jan 16 20:15:45 i used Jan 16 20:15:45 <[g2]> I'm outta da loop on openslug Jan 16 20:15:53 cat /proc/mtd as a reference Jan 16 20:16:06 <[g2]> yeah, you're a grown up :) Jan 16 20:16:22 <[g2]> but you _dont_ want to overwrite the rootfs that your running on Jan 16 20:16:42 I'm thinking of switching to ucslugc as it's better for a custom system. Jan 16 20:16:49 <[g2]> nod Jan 16 20:17:07 I already took rwithby's advice and created a custom roboslug.conf distro Jan 16 20:17:37 <[g2]> excellent Jan 16 20:18:01 with all the great work the guys put in it's real easy. Jan 16 20:18:40 what are you shipping the Loft with then if not using openslug? Jan 16 20:18:59 <[g2]> I think there are two camps Jan 16 20:19:05 <[g2]> Debian and Custom Jan 16 20:19:24 <[g2]> all shipments to date are full on custom Jan 16 20:19:31 I really don't know much about the whole debian thing. Jan 16 20:19:39 <[g2]> it's really a dev board Jan 16 20:19:44 makes sense as they are probably mostly turnkey system Jan 16 20:19:47 yep Jan 16 20:19:57 <[g2]> Oh Debian really rocks for the turnkey apps Jan 16 20:20:03 really? Jan 16 20:20:18 <[g2]> I'll sell a lot more with Debian once I get my cases Jan 16 20:20:30 Still waiting for them? Jan 16 20:20:35 Or is is a redesign? Jan 16 20:20:47 <[g2]> minor manufacturing issues Jan 16 20:20:55 like the labeling thing? Jan 16 20:21:13 <[g2]> little metal work and painting Jan 16 20:21:17 i see. Jan 16 20:21:25 <[g2]> it like building software Jan 16 20:21:35 put up some pix once you get them. Jan 16 20:21:57 <[g2]> the hype sheet says wget Makefile; build; run apps; be happy; Jan 16 20:22:21 <[g2]> but we all know there's a _little_ more to it than that :) Jan 16 20:22:27 hehehe damn right! Jan 16 20:22:49 <[g2]> you saw the preliminary cased right ? Jan 16 20:22:53 yep Jan 16 20:23:11 <[g2]> That _is_ pretty much exactly what it's going to look like Jan 16 20:23:35 I meant on the web page for potential customer to peruse Jan 16 20:24:04 <[g2]> it's really slight stuff like seems, how they do the paint, over lap and little bump out regions Jan 16 20:24:26 <[g2]> but all the stuf you need to get right _before_ you go build 500 of them Jan 16 20:24:44 * VoodooZ nods Jan 16 20:38:43 VoodooZ: you can't write /dev/mtdblock4 while running with that as rootfs, the kernel partition is fine though (I do it all the time...) Jan 16 20:39:25 reflash will do it right (which means it won't attempt something which won't work - reflash -k is fine while running of the rootfs). Jan 16 20:51:59 jbowler, ok thanks. Jan 16 20:52:13 I want to start testing ucslugc soon. Jan 16 20:52:45 Now that apex works fine under openslug and I get 30sec bootup time I'm happy so I'll try to slim it down further Jan 16 21:07:57 jbowler, why is mtdblock4 mounted twice in ucslugc? (/ and /dev/.static/dev) Jan 16 21:09:13 It isn't, the latter is a remount of the original contents of /dev Jan 16 21:09:35 You can't mount a JFFS2 twice - the second attempt will fail. Jan 16 21:09:42 (IIRC) Jan 16 21:10:03 ok. just curious. Jan 16 21:10:14 wow. it's definitely a barebone distro! :) Jan 16 21:10:38 I'll have to customize as this was my first virgin build Jan 16 21:11:01 I might get rid of udev. Jan 16 21:12:50 It boots fast too! like 25 seconds before tweak using apex. sweet Jan 16 21:13:02 anyways, bedtime. Jan 16 21:13:05 take care. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jan 17 02:59:58 2006