**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Feb 01 02:59:59 2006 Feb 01 04:59:12 hi when i am trying to a ipkg upgrade i always get errors i think something is wrong with my udev, busybox.. package can anyone help me? Feb 01 05:11:59 kami22: Could you be a bit more specific? Feb 01 05:15:58 okay http://pastebin.ca/39468 Feb 01 05:17:13 ah Feb 01 05:17:58 It can't figure out which runlevel you are in... Feb 01 05:18:12 okay but how can i fix this? Feb 01 05:18:50 well, I don't know which package contains the runlevel bin, but you can make a small shell-script like this: Feb 01 05:18:53 #!/bin/sh Feb 01 05:18:58 echo "N 3" Feb 01 05:19:09 Then try upgrading again Feb 01 05:20:04 put the script in the path somewhere, and make it executable Feb 01 05:21:32 ah Feb 01 05:22:05 Tha should do it. Feb 01 05:23:14 gotta go, bbl Feb 01 05:23:23 thx cu Feb 01 05:23:24 :) Feb 01 05:23:29 np Feb 01 05:41:30 John Bowler has announced a candidate slugos 3.2 build as Revision 6287535c46a3cdb7bc8a84eaeead326756fd3f98 -- how does one specifiy a paticular revision to bitbake/MasterMakefile ? Feb 01 06:04:10 Hi. Is there a mirror anywhere for sources.nslu2-linux.org? I'm getting about 2k a sec.... Feb 01 07:33:19 re Feb 01 08:05:11 i just did a size comparison between openslug and ucslugc Feb 01 08:05:22 or really, derivatives thereof Feb 01 08:06:58 take out reiser, add ppp/minicom/tiny-vim/iptables/some kernel modules Feb 01 08:07:36 openslug rootfs: 5636096 ucslugc rootfs:4063232 Feb 01 08:07:45 a whopping 1.6 megs difference Feb 01 08:23:51 wow Feb 01 08:24:01 good morning Feb 01 08:24:10 howdy net 'wiz! Feb 01 08:24:25 me- no. Feb 01 08:24:46 (-; Feb 01 08:25:20 woah- your :) is backwards Feb 01 08:25:28 :) Feb 01 08:36:03 kitno455: stupid question: is ucslugc pretty much the same thing as openslug, just with the uclibc? Feb 01 08:38:40 HopsNBarley, it also uses the thumb instruction set instead of the full arm one Feb 01 08:39:45 kitno455 -without a dissertation, what are the pros and cons of that? Feb 01 08:40:00 smaller code segment size Feb 01 08:40:25 thumb instructions are 16 bit shorthand for 32 bit arm instructions Feb 01 08:40:39 oh, okay. Feb 01 08:40:43 but some arm instructions dont have a thumb counterpart Feb 01 08:40:58 so you have to do two thumb instructions Feb 01 08:41:02 sure - it's shorthand. a tradeoff. Feb 01 08:41:14 you still get smaller css Feb 01 08:41:18 cool. Feb 01 08:41:33 so, on average, you get about 70 to 75 % of the original code Feb 01 08:41:39 so ucslugc not only uses uclibc, but turns on thumb for everthing? Feb 01 08:41:43 yeap Feb 01 08:41:58 easy enough. does it benchmark about the same? Feb 01 08:42:10 though the arm cpu is smart enough (has enough registers) that it can do both at once Feb 01 08:42:53 wow. cool. Feb 01 08:42:56 speed is similar Feb 01 08:43:17 cpu is actually converting the 16 bit commands to 32 bit and executing them Feb 01 08:43:35 so it pretty much only saves on copying Feb 01 08:43:41 and mem usage Feb 01 08:43:45 nice. Feb 01 08:44:01 "i'm soaking in it" Feb 01 08:44:11 the arm is a pretty sweet cpu. designed by programmers, not cpu guys :) Feb 01 08:44:49 i'm looking at freescale for my project - alot more bang for the buck. Feb 01 08:45:11 i have been trying to compare ucslugc to openslug for any reasons to use one vs the other Feb 01 08:45:19 what is your project? Feb 01 08:45:36 uh... :-) Feb 01 08:46:00 i'm just making a fileserver Feb 01 08:46:19 are you in atlanta area? Feb 01 08:46:39 hahah- no, though i appear to be by my ip Feb 01 08:46:59 in the south us? Feb 01 08:47:11 richmond, va Feb 01 08:47:19 ah, me north florida. Feb 01 08:47:20 capital of the confederacy, so yes Feb 01 08:47:45 hmm, florida, where the air is like peanut butter Feb 01 08:48:08 not this time of year ;-) it'll be 70F today, and crystal clear. Feb 01 08:48:27 what are you working on oe for? Feb 01 08:49:11 my product uses an ibm thinkpad installed at customer locations to run a scanner Feb 01 08:49:32 the thinkpads are used, and have moving parts, so they die alot Feb 01 08:49:46 so some embedded replacement? Feb 01 08:49:47 they are still expensive Feb 01 08:50:00 slug does exactly what i need Feb 01 08:50:13 you work for yourself or a larger "concern"? Feb 01 08:50:30 i am IT director for a small concern Feb 01 08:51:04 we have been selling this product since fall of 2003 Feb 01 08:51:23 have gotten most of the software and server side issues squared away Feb 01 08:51:26 nice. i'd like to compare some notes at some point. we face some similar problems. Feb 01 08:51:49 now, priv window? Feb 01 08:52:06 man, i'm a xchat noob. i have no idea - you? Feb 01 08:52:16 me too- lets see Feb 01 08:52:42 nope- hold Feb 01 08:53:07 check buttons at bottom of screen Feb 01 08:53:28 just see the regular channels. Feb 01 08:53:31 oh- you will have to be registered Feb 01 08:53:42 ii thought i was... Feb 01 08:53:49 hmm Feb 01 08:53:55 i dunno what i am doing :) Feb 01 08:54:02 me neither ! Feb 01 08:54:16 right click on my nick and chose 'open dialog' Feb 01 08:54:28 did that - now i got something new. Feb 01 08:54:38 hmm- i dont see it. weird Feb 01 08:54:46 using xchat? Feb 01 08:54:49 yeap Feb 01 08:55:04 i did IRC->auto accept direct chat. Feb 01 08:55:40 i bet dcc wont work, i am nat'd Feb 01 08:55:52 i'm double nat'd Feb 01 08:56:52 weird- lets rtfm! Feb 01 09:15:51 hmm- no route to host Feb 01 09:17:58 hmmm. Feb 01 09:18:37 kitno: i did correct my registration status. Feb 01 09:18:50 lets see Feb 01 09:19:06 you see that button at the bottom? Feb 01 09:19:18 i haven't gotten an offer yet. Feb 01 09:20:00 hmm. i cant accept your dcc, no route to host Feb 01 09:47:45 * ByronT_ is back after 4h15m: auto-away after 180m idle Feb 01 11:26:19 I'm not modding right now Frak. Did 4-5 hours last night, more than I should have really. Feb 01 11:27:06 * tkimball kicks irssi, and looks for better window indicators... Feb 01 11:48:27 anyone know why portmap is automatically part of slugos? i cant find the DEPENDS for it... Feb 01 13:58:56 Are we still using initng instead of sysinit? Feb 01 14:04:06 Hmm Feb 01 14:04:18 Aren't we kinda using busybox init? Feb 01 14:05:40 possibly. I was looking into speeding up my bootups and initng takes care of dependencies between services and starts them in parallel. Feb 01 14:11:06 ah Feb 01 14:12:07 re Feb 01 14:12:43 check it out at http://initng.thinktux.net Feb 01 14:12:53 kitno455: portmap is for NFS support Feb 01 14:13:00 NAiL, thanks Feb 01 14:13:11 np Feb 01 14:13:15 i dont have nfs as part of my image Feb 01 14:13:23 VoodooZ: I looked at it earlier. I kinda like it ;) Feb 01 14:14:14 it's much smarter than the klunky old way. Feb 01 14:14:38 yeah Feb 01 14:15:00 What about space requirements though? Feb 01 14:15:29 not sure. Feb 01 14:15:32 does anyone know how to build the slugos 3.2 alpha build? Feb 01 14:15:38 I don't see it being a big problem. Feb 01 14:15:52 monotone update --revision=xxxxxxx Feb 01 14:16:14 Well, there's not that much space available in OpenSlug Feb 01 14:16:17 then build Feb 01 14:16:47 I tried that in the 'openembedded' directory but get a revision not found, is there some script I need to run before? Feb 01 14:18:20 i will try it now Feb 01 14:18:28 well, I think the major speed diff is worth the minor (if at all) size diff. Feb 01 14:18:42 what is the rev Feb 01 14:19:25 6287535c46a3cdb7bc8a84eaeead326756fd3f98 Feb 01 14:20:24 cd openembedded; monotone update --revision=6287535c46a3cdb7bc8a84eaeead326756fd3f98 Feb 01 14:20:33 monotone: misuse: no such revision '6287535c46a3cdb7bc8a84eaeead326756fd3f98' Feb 01 14:20:45 Cool. Got that email too Nathan. Feb 01 14:20:58 * tkimball kicks irssi again. Feb 01 14:21:02 emm_is: Have you done a "make update" first? Feb 01 14:21:15 monotone update doesn't pull from the server Feb 01 14:21:28 so if you haven't updated, it won't find the rev Feb 01 14:21:34 it reads from db in monotone/ Feb 01 14:21:45 right? Feb 01 14:21:49 yup Feb 01 14:22:11 I thought about that just after I gott no such rev ;) Feb 01 14:22:17 s/tt/t/ Feb 01 14:22:19 NAiL meant: I thought about that just after I got no such rev ;) Feb 01 14:22:54 you can also do make update-openembedded Feb 01 14:23:27 Thanks gentlemen, monotone is still mysterious to me. Feb 01 14:23:28 what the heck is nudi btw? Feb 01 14:23:54 you're not the only one Feb 01 14:24:28 nudi is the official build-box. It builds the packages for the feed. Feb 01 14:25:14 you dont want nudi to monotone update? Feb 01 14:26:00 I don't know the exact reasons for that... It's probably related to the fact that there are several monotone-servers Feb 01 14:26:35 hmm Feb 01 14:26:54 (and they're synced manually afaik) Feb 01 14:27:31 ok Feb 01 14:27:39 oops Feb 01 14:27:42 heh Feb 01 14:27:44 Sig11 Feb 01 14:27:49 yeah Feb 01 14:28:02 server overheating :) Feb 01 14:28:03 Also known as jumping to hyperspace Feb 01 14:28:13 Or bad ram ;) Feb 01 14:28:29 you could be next! Feb 01 14:29:04 I had a Pentium 200 (non-MMX) that got constant Sig11. It turned out to be a CPU bug. It wasn't widespread though... I think that CPU was only produced in a few thousand Feb 01 14:29:15 anyway- how do i drop nfs and portmap from my image Feb 01 14:29:19 :) Feb 01 14:29:40 look in openembedded/conf/distro. Grep for DEPEND. IIRC, it's there somewhere. Feb 01 14:30:00 i will look (again) :) Feb 01 14:31:22 hmm Feb 01 14:31:25 it's not there Feb 01 14:31:28 I wonder where it is Feb 01 14:31:31 yeah- i know Feb 01 14:31:34 :) Feb 01 14:32:57 openembedded/packages/meta/slugos-image.bb Feb 01 14:33:09 It can probably be overridden with local.conf somehow Feb 01 14:33:20 gotcha Feb 01 14:33:39 or not... Feb 01 14:33:47 how can i get monotone to show me the files that i have changed? Feb 01 14:33:51 VoodooZ: Looks like we're using sysvinit Feb 01 14:33:54 mt diff Feb 01 14:35:05 VoodooZ: Feel free to try with initng. It's not in OE (yet) Feb 01 14:35:08 NAiL, yeah. I think I was confusing it with hotplugng. Feb 01 14:35:10 hmm, how can i see if there are conflicts with this update? (used to cvs) Feb 01 14:35:26 I'll see how hard it is to make an OE package. Feb 01 14:35:48 kitno455: dunno, it should complain when you do a monotone update Feb 01 14:36:08 But I doubt I'll be able to do it for a while as I have a robotic competition coming up and my robot is far from done. Feb 01 14:36:55 VoodooZ, you gonna make it this time? Feb 01 14:37:23 I have no choice as I already registered! (85$USD) Feb 01 14:37:34 hahha Feb 01 14:37:37 There's a limited number of entries in the expert level so... Feb 01 14:37:38 VoodooZ: Remind me of it tomorrow, and I can probably take a look at it Feb 01 14:37:51 NAiL, Cool. Feb 01 14:38:10 It could really speed up the boot and make the openslug look even better. Feb 01 14:39:05 It sounds nice... What's the catch? ;) Feb 01 14:40:04 I don't think there is one. It's about time linux distros adopt it as most windows users think linux sucks because it boots so freaking slow. Feb 01 14:40:25 yeah Feb 01 14:40:41 It takes time though. Feb 01 14:41:18 the source uses configure to build so I wonder if making an OE package would be easy. Feb 01 14:41:39 that is a "maybe" Feb 01 14:41:49 yep Feb 01 14:42:15 i need to make a oe package myself Feb 01 14:42:33 but it only has a two line Makefile Feb 01 14:42:35 for what? Feb 01 14:43:04 usb scanner userland http posting program :) Feb 01 14:43:11 oh ;) Feb 01 14:43:28 What's the content of the Makefile then? Feb 01 14:43:41 it built cleanly under my FC4 box. Good start Feb 01 14:43:41 its small, but i have only ever compiled it natively on x86 Feb 01 14:44:27 just a single gcc line Feb 01 14:44:45 it links against libcurl, zlib, and libusb Feb 01 14:44:49 thats it. Feb 01 14:44:53 NAiL, do you know of an existing OE package that uses a similar (configure/autotools??) method? Feb 01 14:44:56 Doesn't sound too hard Feb 01 14:45:12 VoodooZ: Loads ;) Feb 01 14:45:18 VoodooZ, look at curl Feb 01 14:45:21 it does Feb 01 14:45:34 Loads? Feb 01 14:45:36 lots of others too Feb 01 14:45:53 bwmon, IIRC Feb 01 14:45:54 s/lot/load/ Feb 01 14:45:54 kitno455 meant: loads of others too Feb 01 14:46:02 I see. Feb 01 14:46:20 look for inherit configure in the bb Feb 01 14:46:24 ok. I have to leave work now but I'll be back soon. Feb 01 14:46:32 kitno455, ok. thanks for the tip. Feb 01 14:46:41 A few times it's necessary to fudge the configure script (eg. Samba) to make it work Feb 01 14:47:08 I'm keeping my fingers crossed then. :) Feb 01 14:47:41 see guys later... Feb 01 14:48:00 later Feb 01 14:49:25 hmm- since my last update, slugos has moved to 2.6.15.2 Feb 01 14:51:00 yeah Feb 01 14:51:03 a few hours ago Feb 01 14:51:12 I tested it yesterday Feb 01 14:51:40 2.6.15.2 was released 39 hours ago. I compiled it 23 hours ago ;) Feb 01 14:52:41 building it now Feb 01 14:54:07 There's been a bunch of cool changes since 2.7 beta. I hope it'll be released soon =) Feb 01 14:54:43 Who had problems with USB-audio btw? Feb 01 14:55:02 2.6.15.2 has a small fix for something usb-audio-related. Feb 01 14:59:36 NAiL, I had, just ordered this usb audio dongle that worked for VoodooZ_Log as mine was not working Feb 01 14:59:43 oh well, mihgt now have two Feb 01 15:00:13 ah, dunno if the fix will fix your problems or not. I just noticed that there was an usb-audio related fix Feb 01 15:00:21 will try this tomorrow or so Feb 01 15:00:31 do you happen to have a url with info? Feb 01 15:00:42 http://www.kernel.org/git/?p=linux/kernel/git/gregkh/linux-2.6.15.y.git;a=commit;h=6f416659e93354ad74b24dc49b0b15071b848c92 Feb 01 15:05:08 tnx Feb 01 15:05:22 np Feb 01 15:05:56 this might indeed be related to my problem. I'll give it a try tomorrow, calling it a day for now Feb 01 15:05:57 cu Feb 01 15:09:39 nite Feb 01 15:50:31 adios all **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Feb 01 19:28:12 2006 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Feb 01 19:32:01 2006 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Feb 01 19:44:11 2006 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Feb 02 02:59:56 2006