**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Feb 05 10:59:59 2006 Feb 05 13:39:35 eFfeM: I have found another person interested in attending slugdag :) Feb 05 13:45:40 <[g2]> slugdag ? Feb 05 13:46:13 the dutch meeting of sluglovers on april 1st Feb 05 13:46:29 http://www.nllgg.nl/bijeenkomsten_2006_slugdag (in dutch) Feb 05 13:47:37 <[g2]> cool Feb 05 13:47:44 <[g2]> are you gonna take your Loft ? Feb 05 13:48:27 sluglovers sounds so ewww Feb 05 13:48:42 [g2]: sure Feb 05 13:56:48 koen, great Feb 05 13:56:59 (was away sipping coffee) Feb 05 13:57:57 koen, probably drop an email to marceln, he is coordinating/arranging (and yeah, if you can bring your loft that would be nice) Feb 05 13:58:07 [g2], did you see the PM I left you a few days ago? Feb 05 13:59:49 <[g2]> eFfeM I may have missed it :( Feb 05 14:00:05 <[g2]> I rebooted a day or two ago Feb 05 14:00:09 ok. let me try again Feb 05 14:44:43 i'm no developer, where can i ask a question about openslug ? Feb 05 14:57:33 what is your question? Feb 05 14:57:44 currently Feb 05 14:57:48 im' on unslung Feb 05 14:58:00 and i wish to move to openslug Feb 05 14:58:06 but Feb 05 14:58:21 my data and unslung rootfs are on the same partition Feb 05 14:58:47 Is it preferable to create a root partition and thus separate data and rootfs ? Feb 05 15:00:22 i separated data and rootfs before going from unslung to openslug, so i cant say if it is possible to upgrade without separate Feb 05 15:00:37 ok Feb 05 15:00:44 but anyway, it is better Feb 05 15:01:20 i think so Feb 05 15:02:08 Jah_: I'd hang on a couple of days before flashing OpenSlug though Feb 05 15:02:32 considering the 3.3-beta release is *right* around the corner ;) Feb 05 15:03:16 hoho Feb 05 15:03:33 NAiL: thanks i will do :) Feb 05 15:06:59 btw, how do i know when it's out ? Feb 05 15:08:13 It will quite probably be announced here, and on the nslu2-linux mailinglist. Feb 05 15:08:40 ok Feb 05 15:08:52 is more a matter of hours, days, weeks ? Feb 05 15:10:05 I'd say days. The alpha release is a couple of days old, and a few issues have been fixed. Feb 05 15:10:38 I am currently running what will quite probably be the 3.3-beta release, unless some other issues are found. Feb 05 15:11:15 cool Feb 05 15:11:25 and what's the big new with 3.3 ? Feb 05 15:12:08 The leds subsystem has been rewritten, so one has more control of the leds Feb 05 15:12:15 new kernel (2.6.15.2) Feb 05 15:12:25 A lot of package updates Feb 05 15:13:01 The problems with boot detection order has been fixed Feb 05 15:13:23 Probably a lot more, but I can't remember all ;) Feb 05 15:13:31 the man-pages now work ;) Feb 05 15:15:36 hehe Feb 05 15:15:55 you made me impatient ! Feb 05 15:15:58 :) Feb 05 15:32:39 I'm impatient too ;-) Feb 05 15:47:12 Jah_, generally in the unix world it is felt to be good practice to separate rootfs and usr fs Feb 05 15:47:43 s/usr/user/ Feb 05 15:47:43 eFfeM meant: Jah_, generally in the unix world it is felt to be good practice to separate rootfs and user fs Feb 05 15:48:04 so users cannot fill up the root partition Feb 05 15:48:23 on a single user system (like your slug probably is) this risk is less present Feb 05 15:49:15 even so, it reduces the risk of your precious data if the root fs is somehow b0rked. Feb 05 15:49:16 however, still it is good to separate. I found when something bad happens it is most often in the root fs; by separating, your user data is still safe Feb 05 15:49:21 exactly Feb 05 15:49:22 ;) Feb 05 15:49:43 if you have free space you can put your new rootfs there Feb 05 15:50:10 otherwise maybe use partition magic on window$ to resize your partition Feb 05 15:50:26 (don't know about a *nix equiv for that) Feb 05 15:50:52 fips, IIRC. But it doesn't work on the slug apparently. Feb 05 15:51:16 be sure also to reserve some space for swap (my swap is 1.5 GB, most people seem to go for about 1) Feb 05 15:52:06 I usually go for 512mb... Never run out of memory so far ;) Feb 05 15:52:07 i've never used fips, but if you do not have PMagic you might connect your hd to a pc linux system (perhaps as IDE) Feb 05 15:52:51 I had 512 and ran out of it (but maybe I would also run out of it with 1.5; xmltv runs python and that kept claiming memory .... Feb 05 15:52:58 aah Feb 05 15:54:12 yeah, at that time I ran xmltv as a cron job at 4 am, after two consequitive (sp?) crashes I traced the culprit Feb 05 15:54:27 btw is there a way to auto reboot on a crash? Feb 05 15:54:36 kernel panic? Kindof Feb 05 15:54:57 yeah, out of memory/out of swap space panic Feb 05 15:55:14 IIRC, there something in /proc/sys/kernel Feb 05 15:56:47 from the gentoo wiki (tnx to google) Feb 05 15:56:48 Jan 31 20:18:56 hi [g2] Feb 05 15:56:48 Jan 31 20:19:20 i've been thinking about your Q if there would be a market for pre-serialized slugs Feb 05 15:56:48 Jan 31 20:19:48 don't know if you are online, but I assume that if I drop my msg here you will get it eventually Feb 05 15:56:48 Jan 31 20:20:16 I feel the number of people that are interested in serial is probably not that big. It is mainly interesting if you do kernel hacking. Feb 05 15:56:52 Jan 31 20:20:50 However there might be a market for add-on devices, especially if you can deliver them in a nice packaging and with supported software. Feb 05 15:56:57 Jan 31 20:21:46 Things that could be nice are e.g. a usb display, or maybe support for audio playback (knowing that a card works is crucial here) or VoIP Feb 05 15:57:00 Jan 31 20:27:15 Also I can imagine that there is a market for not too expensive gadgets. E.g. a thermometer, light sensor, etc Feb 05 15:57:03 Jan 31 20:27:34 actually the other day I discovered the Atmel butterfly and I was quite impressed by it Feb 05 15:57:06 Jan 31 20:27:55 just wanted to drop this, feel fee to do with it whatever you want (and have fun!) Feb 05 15:57:09 Jan 31 20:27:56 FM Feb 05 15:57:11 ooooops Feb 05 15:57:13 wrong data in cut buffer Feb 05 15:57:15 To set the kernel to reboot do this command: Feb 05 15:57:17 # echo "5" > /proc/sys/kernel/panic Feb 05 15:57:21 Where 5 is replaced with the number of seconds to wait till reboot after a kernel panic. Feb 05 15:57:27 To make it more permanent do this: Feb 05 15:57:27 # echo "kernel.panic=5" >> /etc/sysctl.conf Feb 05 15:57:27 Adding the following to your kernel parameters in your bootloaders configuration might also help: Feb 05 15:57:29 panic=5 Feb 05 15:57:43 haven't actually tried this.... Feb 05 15:57:48 That should probably be added to the wiki. Do you mind adding it? ;) Feb 05 15:58:17 i'll carve something, stay tuned Feb 05 15:59:32 should this go under SlugOs or under HowTo ? Feb 05 16:00:13 HowTo, I think Feb 05 16:01:37 ok Feb 05 16:08:02 hm. hope Jah_ saw our comments Feb 05 16:08:11 created the howto: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/AutoRebootOnPanic Feb 05 16:08:44 eFfeM: you're bringing your slug + usbpvr2 to slugdag? Feb 05 16:09:02 NAiL, do you have write access to the HowTo page? Can you add it? Feb 05 16:09:09 koen, yes Feb 05 16:09:58 I'll bring some other ARM/linux toys as well Feb 05 16:10:09 I'll at least bring slug+hd+pvr, but I think I'll also bring my canon S70 to show auto import of pictures using PTP Feb 05 16:10:20 and if I get audio up and running I'll bring that as well. Feb 05 16:10:34 have you tried flite yet? Feb 05 16:10:41 Might also borrow a usb cdrom drive to show auto ripping of cd's. Feb 05 16:10:54 looks good Feb 05 16:11:21 no, as audio is not yet working, i didn't look at flite Feb 05 16:11:29 ah yes, of course Feb 05 16:12:02 also asked marceln if there is a tv. If so, I'll also bring a UPnP renderer Feb 05 16:12:04 eFfeM: added, thanks Feb 05 16:13:20 NAiL, can you also add this, don't think it is in yet: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/SetupANativeCompiler Feb 05 16:14:02 hmm Feb 05 16:14:24 instead of installing the packages manually, it should just be "ipkg install openslug-native" Feb 05 16:14:35 openslug-native is kinda like "build-essentials" Feb 05 16:14:48 * NAiL fixes Feb 05 16:14:50 ok, i was unaware of that when reinstalling from scratch last tue Feb 05 16:17:43 added Feb 05 16:17:50 NAiL, added ref to HowTo/ForcePowerAlwaysOn on the AutoRebootOnPanic page Feb 05 16:18:14 will also add the reverse link as most people that have the one are probably also interested in the other Feb 05 16:18:46 good Feb 05 16:20:43 btw is it alread/again possible for users to delete pages? In the past I could do that but when trying to do some cleaning after rwhitby's call for cleanup, delete did not work any more Feb 05 16:21:11 I don't know. I haven't tried. Feb 05 16:21:11 this was reported also by someone else on one of the mailing lists, but I never saw any reply on that one Feb 05 16:21:29 who would know Feb 05 16:21:31 ? Feb 05 16:22:09 How is it supposed to delete them? Feb 05 16:22:13 ie, what's the trigger? Feb 05 16:22:32 you just replace all of the text on the page with the word 'delete' (no quotes) Feb 05 16:22:53 of course this word is somewhere in the php code, so an admin could change it Feb 05 16:23:15 it worked for me in the past when I deleted an obsolete audio page, but wouldn't work for me a month ago Feb 05 16:23:26 I think I got it to work by doing the following: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/Testdelete?action=delete Feb 05 16:23:30 NAiL, openslug-native is not installing: Feb 05 16:23:32 root@NSLU2:/proc/sys/kernel# ipkg install openslug-native Feb 05 16:23:33 Nothing to be done Feb 05 16:23:33 An error ocurred, return value: 4. Feb 05 16:23:33 Collected errors: Feb 05 16:23:33 Cannot find package openslug-native. Feb 05 16:23:34 Check the spelling or perhaps run 'ipkg update' Feb 05 16:23:37 I created the Testdelete page first Feb 05 16:23:46 sigh, I'll look into it ;-) Feb 05 16:24:15 My slug isn't up right now.. could you do ipkg list|grep -i development ? Feb 05 16:24:16 NAiL, Wow, what did you do? Feb 05 16:24:16 HowTo ยป Feb 05 16:24:16 Testdelete Feb 05 16:24:16 Password required Feb 05 16:24:17 * Name/password not recognized Feb 05 16:24:40 ah, passwords are required to delete pages then Feb 05 16:24:47 my slug is up 24/7 Feb 05 16:25:13 Mine isn't. It's rebooted *often* due to me reflashing it ;-) Feb 05 16:25:52 i reflash only once or twice a week Feb 05 16:26:11 maybe the wiki thing was because I added the action=delete Feb 05 16:26:34 if I go to http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/Testdelete I get: describe TestDelete here Feb 05 16:26:39 yeah Feb 05 16:28:42 deleting with action=delete indeed requires the password. having delete on the page does not work any more. see also http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/OpenSlug/OERwhitbyPbLog where endecotp tried to delete Feb 05 16:29:18 why are we not allowing everyone to delete (note that delete does not actually physically deletes the page, an admin can still restore the page) Feb 05 16:29:26 gone now ;-) Feb 05 16:29:29 dinner call, back in 20 or 30 mins or so Feb 05 16:29:35 there are more of these... Feb 05 16:34:28 ok, if you have any more, just tell me which pages, and I'll delete them. Dunno why you have to be admin to delete, but that can probably be changed. Feb 05 16:41:56 Looking at the CleanUp page now. Deleted a bunch of pages Feb 05 16:43:16 NAiL, tnx. I also still owed you this: Feb 05 16:43:17 root@NSLU2:~# ipkg list|grep -i development Feb 05 16:43:17 libdvb-dev - 0.5.5.1-r2 - Headers for libdvb development Feb 05 16:43:17 python-devel - 2.4.2-ml1 - Python Development Package Feb 05 16:43:17 python-idle - 2.4.2-ml1 - Python Integrated Development Environment Feb 05 16:44:12 dang Feb 05 16:44:23 Ok, looks like the stuff needs to be installed manually Feb 05 16:47:05 I'll fix that when I'm done deleting pages (and removing the references to them) Feb 05 16:49:05 good. i just browsed the openslug/unstable feed and there is no package openslug-native (or something similar) so at least things are consistent :-) Feb 05 16:49:32 didn't look at the slugos feeds Feb 05 16:52:29 NAiL, checked ipkgfind, there is crosstool-native on the unslung feed and slugos-native on the openslug unstable feed Feb 05 16:52:49 aha, it turned into slugos-native. Feb 05 16:53:14 It should be available as slugos-native in 3.3-beta and openslug-native in 2.7-beta then. Feb 05 16:53:24 Ok, take a look at the CleanUp page now. Feb 05 16:53:28 i'll edit Feb 05 16:53:33 thanks Feb 05 16:56:29 Deleting the pages are kind of a PITA, since I have to remove links on pages that refer to that page too. Feb 05 16:57:29 yeah, I know Feb 05 16:57:38 changed http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/SetupANativeCompiler, feel free to have a look Feb 05 16:58:08 looks good Feb 05 16:58:15 What does the -mthumb-interwork do? Feb 05 16:58:34 Hmm.. that probablt won't work for 2.7-beta Feb 05 16:58:35 NAiL, together we are the last 10 edits in http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Site/AllRecentChanges Feb 05 16:58:43 s/probably/probably/ Feb 05 16:58:52 lol Feb 05 16:59:03 I even misspelled my typo Feb 05 16:59:06 I'll add a note about that as well Feb 05 16:59:10 yeah I saw it Feb 05 16:59:52 gcc gave warnings on interworking, these were not there in 2.7; jbowler mentioned this in response of my posting Feb 05 17:00:18 it already irritated me for weeks and actually that snippet of info triggered me to writing this howto Feb 05 17:02:47 updated again now split in two sections Feb 05 17:03:16 meanwhile also installing slugos-native (this drags in a lot of perl that I didn't have) Feb 05 17:03:56 as I cannot test on 2.7, I added a note about testing if /usr/bin/gcc is present if someone can verify please do Feb 05 17:07:41 I think the wiki server is kinda stressed out now :-P Feb 05 17:09:40 ah, no, this new hardware still needs to get used to its load :-) Feb 05 17:11:13 NAiL, what about removing the done items from OpenSlug/BetaRelease Feb 05 17:13:23 Ugh, another not-well-updated-page Feb 05 17:13:41 There's so much outdated info on the wiki ;) Feb 05 17:14:06 Hm. I was also peeking at OpenSlug/TipsTricksOddsEnds. This also refers to OpenSlug 2.5 Feb 05 17:14:47 I've deleted some 15-ish pages now Feb 05 17:15:06 yeah, there is a lot of old stuff. Feb 05 17:15:32 perhaps you also want to go over this one: OpenSlug/OpenSlugStatus Feb 05 17:15:35 eg it says: Feb 05 17:15:36 OpenSlug is running on a 2.6.11 kernel. Feb 05 17:16:07 we might want to remove that one as well Feb 05 17:16:11 or give it new content Feb 05 17:16:20 Only the "Cleaning up", "Rebuilding the Kernel(needs to be updated)" and possibly "building php" are relevant nowadays Feb 05 17:16:36 yup, I'll change Feb 05 17:16:57 Rebuilding the kernel needs to replace openslug-kernel with ixp4xx-kernel Feb 05 17:17:34 Should be updated to be SlugOS instead of OpenSlug, and moved to SlugOS/ instead of OpenSlug/ Feb 05 17:17:51 this has changed a number of times. I'm still used to virtual/kernel Feb 05 17:17:56 ok Feb 05 17:20:05 discovered when updating tipsandtricks that php on the feed is still 4.3.10 Feb 05 17:21:15 Yeah, I don't think anyone has tried (or succeeded) getting a newer php running Feb 05 17:21:22 (compiled cross, that is) Feb 05 17:22:49 while editing that page, could you add a section about installing timezones-, and symlinking /usr/share/zoneinfo// to /etc/localtime? :) Feb 05 17:26:42 ok Feb 05 17:29:03 another q: how many processes can I have running? On the install of slugos-native I got: Feb 05 17:29:04 Downloading http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/slugos-bag/cross/unstable/perl-module-unicore-lib-gc-sc-spaceper_5.8.7-r14_armeb.ipk Feb 05 17:29:04 ipkg: fork failed Feb 05 17:29:04 Segmentation fault Feb 05 17:29:15 I'm having about 80 processes Feb 05 17:29:21 hmm Feb 05 17:29:25 That's not goot Feb 05 17:29:30 s/goot/good/ Feb 05 17:29:30 NAiL meant: That's not good Feb 05 17:29:49 Does it work if you kill off some other processes? Feb 05 17:30:18 i'm retrying, how can I see if swap is on? Feb 05 17:30:25 "free" Feb 05 17:30:28 /proc/swaps is empty Feb 05 17:30:41 ah swap is not enabled. Feb 05 17:31:01 but this is in /etc/fstab Feb 05 17:31:02 /dev/sda3 swap swap pri=1 0 0 Feb 05 17:31:13 and I'm fairly sure I rebooted after adding that Feb 05 17:31:56 the fact that there was no swap and me working in another window was definitely the reason for this seg fault Feb 05 17:32:17 i've now switched it on, but shouldn't it be automagic Feb 05 17:32:23 it should be Feb 05 17:32:59 yeaht, checked init.d and it is, maybe I didn't reboot after adding this. I'll keep an eye on it Feb 05 17:34:50 s/yeaht/yeah/ Feb 05 17:34:51 eFfeM meant: yeah, checked init.d and it is, maybe I didn't reboot after adding this. I'll keep an eye on it Feb 05 17:35:04 ty apt Feb 05 17:35:51 NAiL, looked at http://ipkgfind.nslu2-linux.org/details.php?package=timezones&official=&format= Feb 05 17:36:12 this one only lists a few files, but if I build timezones everything seems to be there Feb 05 17:36:21 is this an ipgkfind problem? Feb 05 17:36:31 look at timezone-europe/america/etc Feb 05 17:36:56 The timezones ipkg just includes a few basic tzs Feb 05 17:38:45 ah, ok, they are in the same dir when building, that confused me. Feb 05 17:41:51 hi Jah_ did you still see our previous answers to your question Feb 05 17:42:04 nope Feb 05 17:47:53 NAiL, created: SlugOs/TipsTricksOddsEnds including the TZ stuff. Please review/correct Feb 05 17:48:04 Jah__, let me try to start a dialog window Feb 05 17:48:23 eFfeM: Looks good Feb 05 17:48:46 ok, is there somewhere a top level page where we can add it ? Feb 05 17:48:59 and can I leave it to you to delete the old page and the ref in HowTo ? Feb 05 17:51:22 btw, make sure you spell it SlugOS, not SlugOs. Feb 05 17:51:26 * eFfeM is rereading the timezone stuff he just wrote and wonders why there is no /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Reusel :-) Feb 05 17:51:58 Ok, thanks for mentioning that (otherwise I woudl have made the same mistake a lot of times...) Feb 05 17:52:02 s/woudl/would/ Feb 05 17:52:04 eFfeM meant: Ok, thanks for mentioning that (otherwise I would have made the same mistake a lot of times...) Feb 05 17:54:42 ok, moved, removed from the CleanUp page and deleted from the old location. Working on cleaning up broken links now ;-) Feb 05 17:56:28 ok i was also in refresh updating it, undid my change (i was the later one to save) Feb 05 17:57:32 there Feb 05 17:57:36 now it should be ok Feb 05 17:57:49 The wiki cleanup is a lot of work ;) Feb 05 17:59:02 heh Feb 05 17:59:20 I know, I helped transitioning the old handhelds.org wiki to moin Feb 05 17:59:31 eFfeM: btw, it doesn't appear to be (easily) possible to restore a deleted page Feb 05 18:01:20 oh :-( Feb 05 18:04:47 NAiL, this surprises me. from http://www.pmwiki.org/wiki/Cookbook/DeleteAction: Feb 05 18:04:51 Note that as with the default page deletion, the pages are not entirely removed from the site's wiki.d/ directory -- the page file is simply renamed to include a timestamp. This is to guard against accidental or malicious page deletions via the PmWiki interface. Deleted pages are not completely removed until a wiki administrator deletes them from the wiki.d directory. Feb 05 18:05:55 yeah, but they have to be restored manually on the CLI, not through the webinterface then Feb 05 18:06:12 Another page deleted Feb 05 18:06:24 The recent changes list is getting nice ;) Feb 05 18:06:46 sure. but they are not lost forever. I can image that we want protection against vandalism Feb 05 18:06:50 yup Feb 05 18:07:13 what about removing OpenSlug.OpenSlugAlpha - very old to-do list; delete, unless of historical interest. Feb 05 18:07:25 and OpenSlug.OpenSlugStatus - very old ("ethernet not well tested"!) - delete Feb 05 18:07:46 let me quickly relayout the cleanup page Feb 05 18:09:31 Currently working on cleaning up the WishList Feb 05 18:13:21 put every item in cleanup on a separate line, made sections containing pages to be deleted, retained and to be done Feb 05 18:16:32 ok, removed another page Feb 05 18:17:20 The OpenSlugAlpha page looks like it might be historically interesting Feb 05 18:17:33 NAiL, can you move pages? I've reviewed and updated http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/OpenSlug/AddingPackages and it is ready to go to SlugOS Feb 05 18:17:45 Do we want to make a top level dir History ? Feb 05 18:19:31 Hmm, I don't know. And I don't think I can create a Toplevel dir. Feb 05 18:21:47 I had the impression from the past that this can be done by just creating the file, but apparently it cannot. Feb 05 18:22:14 I'll mention this separately in Cleanup and let rwhitby have a look at this and/or create the top level dir Feb 05 18:23:28 Remove the OpenSlug.watchdog package while you're at it. I've deleted the page Feb 05 18:23:28 done Feb 05 18:23:33 ok Feb 05 18:23:41 ah, wanted to avoid cross-editing ;) Feb 05 18:24:06 np, done that Feb 05 18:24:17 first done was for adding the new sectio Feb 05 18:24:24 s/sectio/section/ Feb 05 18:24:24 eFfeM meant: first done was for adding the new section Feb 05 18:28:16 NAiL, this also for the historical section, or delete ? Feb 05 18:28:18 OpenSlug/ToDo Feb 05 18:28:50 yeah Feb 05 18:28:53 hist Feb 05 18:29:16 and this one can probably also go: OpenSlug/ProjectHistory will move the todo Feb 05 18:29:37 heh Feb 05 18:29:58 that one can be deleted, unless someone feels like adding a lot of information to it. Feb 05 18:30:02 done Feb 05 18:30:12 be my guest :-) Feb 05 18:30:29 i propose delete, we can create a fresh one if we need one Feb 05 18:31:10 Ok, it's deleted. Can you remove it from CleanUp? Feb 05 18:31:11 history or del: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/OpenSlug/EhciIssue Feb 05 18:31:13 yup Feb 05 18:31:20 It's not referenced anywhere else ;-) Feb 05 18:32:07 Hmm, the ehci stuff can be moved to history I guess Feb 05 18:32:26 Looking good ;) Feb 05 18:32:28 yeah, that's what I thought. it's interesting backreading Feb 05 18:33:54 oh, this one also must be retained as history: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/OpenSlug/DonationsOffered Feb 05 18:35:29 for removal: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/OpenSlug/IpkgFeed Feb 05 18:35:50 done Feb 05 18:36:37 history: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/OpenSlug/InitrdErrata Feb 05 18:37:44 suggest to remove http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/OpenSlug/KernelConfig Feb 05 18:37:55 yeah Feb 05 18:37:57 uh Feb 05 18:38:06 is that an ok? Feb 05 18:38:06 yes to the first one ;) Feb 05 18:38:17 ok Feb 05 18:38:26 remove http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/OpenSlug/KnownProblems Feb 05 18:38:43 or is that one still valid? Feb 05 18:38:48 move KernelConfig to history for now Feb 05 18:39:12 knowproblems is way out of date ;-) Feb 05 18:39:29 ok; Feb 05 18:39:46 altough busybox uptime still seems to be not working... Feb 05 18:40:30 hmm Feb 05 18:41:42 root@NSLU2:/usr/bin# uptime Feb 05 18:41:42 19:41:44 up 1 day, 7:44, load average: 1.00, 1.00, 1.00 Feb 05 18:42:01 is that busybox or coreutils? Feb 05 18:42:27 busybox Feb 05 18:42:39 the loadavg looks wrong, but other than that it works Feb 05 18:42:54 the problem appears to be with coreutils uptime though Feb 05 18:43:07 hmmm: Feb 05 18:43:08 root@NSLU2:/usr/bin# whereis uptime Feb 05 18:43:08 uptime: /usr/bin/uptime /usr/bin/uptime.coreutils Feb 05 18:43:08 root@NSLU2:/usr/bin# ls -l /usr/bin/uptime Feb 05 18:43:08 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 Feb 2 22:40 /usr/bin/uptime -> ../../bin/busybox Feb 05 18:43:08 root@NSLU2:/usr/bin# uptime Feb 05 18:43:10 19:42:59 up 1 day, 7:45, load average: 1.00, 1.00, 1.00 Feb 05 18:43:12 root@NSLU2:/usr/bin# uptime.coreutils Feb 05 18:43:14 7:43pm up 1 day 7:45, 2 users, load average: 1.00, 1.00, 1.00 Feb 05 18:43:16 root@NSLU2:/usr/bin# Feb 05 18:43:39 top also says 1.0 1.0 1.0 Feb 05 18:43:51 Is there anything on your box using a lot of cpu? Feb 05 18:44:02 IIRC, the loadavg thingy was fixed long ago Feb 05 18:44:58 top is on top of top (2.3 %) Feb 05 18:45:03 what about procps uptime? Feb 05 18:45:59 procps? do you mean /proc/uptime? root@NSLU2:/proc# cat /proc/uptime Feb 05 18:45:59 114512.75 112439.37 Feb 05 18:46:20 no, the procps uptime ;-) Feb 05 18:46:41 is this a cmd ? Feb 05 18:46:47 procps not found Feb 05 18:47:12 this was definitely not in V7 or BSD4.1 Feb 05 18:47:44 http://ipkgfind.nslu2-linux.org/details.php?package=procps&official=&format= Feb 05 18:48:16 installing Feb 05 18:48:32 meanwhile what about: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/OpenSlug/KernelBootMessages Feb 05 18:49:28 possibly historic interest Feb 05 18:49:45 ok Feb 05 18:50:00 uptime: hm uptime.coreutils suddenly also started working: Feb 05 18:50:00 root@NSLU2:/usr/bin# uptime Feb 05 18:50:01 19:49:44 up 1 day, 7:52, 2 users, load average: 1.48, 1.25, 1.08 Feb 05 18:50:01 root@NSLU2:/usr/bin# uptime.coreutils Feb 05 18:50:01 7:49pm up 1 day 7:51, 2 users, load average: 1.48, 1.25, 1.08 Feb 05 18:50:08 the first one is from procps Feb 05 18:51:52 what about this http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/OpenSlug/HowToEnableKernelLogging Feb 05 18:51:56 the head has logging to file again Feb 05 18:52:17 we might want to have a section on kernel logging though Feb 05 18:53:03 yeah Feb 05 18:53:32 ok, keep it for now, i'll see if I can come up with something new. Feb 05 18:53:36 http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/OpenSlug/PackageStatus history? Feb 05 18:54:40 no idea what to do with this: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/OpenSlug/Packages Feb 05 18:54:52 Yeah. It should be updated on a regular basis, I guess. DaKa made an effort to show the status of packages, which is kinda nice ;-) Feb 05 18:55:07 ok, away to grab a coffee and watch the news Feb 05 18:55:13 yeah, liked that as well. Feb 05 18:55:15 later .... Feb 05 18:56:03 OpenSlug/Packages should be moved and updated. It's a nice resource when up-to-date Feb 05 18:56:09 the cleanup page is fully yours again (some people will be surprised what we did) Feb 05 18:56:42 later ;) Feb 05 18:56:45 I'm taking a break too Feb 05 19:28:19 NAiL, these are probably not too interesting either: OpenSlug.NobodyCaredIrqErrs Feb 05 19:28:19 OpenSlug.NoRootFoundErrata Feb 05 19:28:55 and this one can go Feb 05 19:28:58 OpenSlug/OpenN2 Feb 05 19:29:01 The NobodyCared should be History Feb 05 19:29:09 probably OpenN2 too Feb 05 19:29:55 openn2 does only contain a link to sourceforge Feb 05 19:30:53 it only contains; http://sourceforge.net/projects/openn2/ Feb 05 19:31:16 ok, need to go again, maybe back later otherwise tomorrow Feb 05 19:43:59 OpenN2/NoRootFoundErrata cleaned. Feb 05 20:42:43 eh, what was the default ip address again? My slug doesn't respond to the given address anymore Feb 05 20:42:53 192.168.1.77? Feb 05 20:43:08 ok. I'll see if it answers on that Feb 05 20:45:10 hm. nothing. Feb 05 20:45:35 any tips on recovering a lost Slug, IP-wise? I was running openslug Feb 05 20:45:55 set up a dhcp-server that you can see the logs from Feb 05 20:46:19 but it has a fixed address... Feb 05 20:46:25 or is supposed to have Feb 05 20:48:01 Have you upgraded anything? Feb 05 20:48:29 no. it just stopped working. probably after powercut Feb 05 20:48:41 jelle: run nmap -sP 192.168.1.* from a Linux box on the network Feb 05 20:48:48 it looks like it's starting up fine, but not from disk Feb 05 20:49:04 I'll try that Feb 05 20:49:30 would another slug be ok, to run nmap? Feb 05 20:49:46 yeah Feb 05 20:55:37 eh, what ipkg package contains nmap? Feb 05 20:55:49 nmap should be in nmap Feb 05 20:55:50 ;) Feb 05 20:56:18 nmap does have a few quirks on ARM according to my pentesting buddy Feb 05 20:56:23 cannot find package nmap Feb 05 20:56:25 hmm Feb 05 20:56:30 openslug 2.7-beta? Feb 05 20:57:08 2.6.12.2 Feb 05 20:57:22 should I upgradeflash? Feb 05 20:57:27 yeah, that's 2.7-beta. I guess I can put it in the feed Feb 05 20:59:46 can I also just flash the unfindable slug and revive it that way? Feb 05 21:00:20 possibly. I'm not entirely sure how it is configured by default now Feb 05 21:04:06 upgrading.... Feb 05 21:04:16 (the lost son that is) Feb 05 21:13:23 eh, reflashing didn't seem to reset the ip address Feb 05 21:13:41 We're working on it :-P Feb 05 21:13:43 and my ipscanner can't see it either. Feb 05 21:13:55 :-D Feb 05 21:14:03 are you flashing 2.7-beta? (2.6.12.2) Feb 05 21:20:31 anyone knows a good source project for testing cross-compiling for debianslug? Feb 05 21:20:33 I did on the lost son. Feb 05 21:20:54 have only a few mins Feb 05 21:20:58 but the other was already 2.6.12.2. both were actually Feb 05 21:21:02 jelle did you upgrade the ixp modules Feb 05 21:21:08 not that I kno Feb 05 21:21:10 w Feb 05 21:21:55 if your flash doesn't have the right modules in /lib/modules your network drivers are not loaded Feb 05 21:22:33 any way to check? I can't reach it you know... egg-chicken-egg Feb 05 21:23:05 btw if you suspect you might be getting a dhcp address then ping 192.168.1.255 might be able to tell Feb 05 21:23:05 I can flash it though, using the "hold the resetbutton while power on" upgradeutility method Feb 05 21:23:19 I suspect it wont Feb 05 21:23:26 If you're using the stock openslug 2.7-beta firmware image, it should boot from flash no matter what Feb 05 21:23:31 check by flashing an old image Feb 05 21:23:42 right. I'll try that. Feb 05 21:23:53 for dhcp you can also check on your router to see if it gave an ip addr Feb 05 21:24:06 seems it didn't Feb 05 21:24:13 yeah NAiL if you flash the 2.7 img you would be fine Feb 05 21:24:39 back later Feb 05 21:24:51 thanks for now Feb 05 21:25:15 no idea? Feb 05 21:26:06 NAiL: it boots, but won't show anywhere... Feb 05 21:26:18 You have unplugged the disk? Feb 05 21:26:43 ie, booting only from flash Feb 05 21:27:13 ha. found it. it got back on and older ip address.... Feb 05 21:27:15 that is strange Feb 05 21:28:14 can it be true that when I change the ipaddress to 172.31.100.11 without disk, and then sling to disk, boot from disk and change the ip to 172.31.101.88, the change is only when booting from disk? Feb 05 21:29:36 yes Feb 05 21:30:48 right. that is what happened. I couldn't boot from disk for some reason, and booting from disk would not help much since I couldn't reach it. Feb 05 21:30:49 thanks. Feb 05 21:32:47 np Feb 05 21:40:23 hey. turnup disk gives rubbish Feb 05 21:40:47 after initialising dev file system, it says "Undefined users:" Feb 05 21:40:51 > Feb 05 21:40:54 > 00_core Feb 05 21:40:55 > Feb 05 21:41:12 > 2@N5X%X(\ . . .. .. . . . . Feb 05 21:42:03 that is not what I expected... Feb 05 21:46:40 which build? Feb 05 21:47:43 2.6.12.2 gcc 3.4.4 sep 27 Feb 05 21:48:01 I cleaned my disk, and the problem went away (did a mkfs.ext3) Feb 05 21:48:35 I.e. this is OpenSlug 2.7? Feb 05 21:48:37 wouldn't expect a existing filesystem to be in the way when I do a turnup disk -f -i Feb 05 21:49:51 yes, openslug 2.7 beta Feb 05 21:51:35 That message comes from setup_var Feb 05 21:52:23 It's running /etc/init.d/populate-volatile.sh on the new rootfs Feb 05 21:52:53 You might have an old config file Feb 05 21:53:41 but I just flashed, and tried to turnup to the exisiting disk, overwriting the filesystem by using "-f". that should just run fine right? Feb 05 21:55:56 no, not if a config file has moved Feb 05 21:56:24 oh. right. Feb 05 21:56:33 or, for that matter, if you created a new one which no longer works for some reason Feb 05 21:56:38 well it moved to dev/null now, and that helped a lot ;) Feb 05 21:57:59 thanks for your concern though. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Feb 06 10:59:56 2006