**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Mar 29 10:59:56 2006 Mar 29 11:00:50 crap - I spend all night dicking about with it thinking I had screwed up:) ANy kind of ETA? Mar 29 11:02:59 There's two thing that have to be fixed. Adding RDEPENDS, and fixing linuxrc. RDEPENDS is quick. Not quite sure about the linuxrc Mar 29 11:03:39 hi NAiL Mar 29 11:03:54 still no working theory as to how to fix boot/disks then? Mar 29 11:04:54 and on a completely different note Mar 29 11:04:56 let me get my devbox up-to-date ;) Mar 29 11:04:57 does this just effect openslug - and is this my chance to try debianslug? Mar 29 11:05:11 mtb: all slugos Mar 29 11:05:16 crap:( Mar 29 11:05:30 i want to tweak my slug with a serial port, where does one buy the stuff needed in norway? Mar 29 11:05:33 shouldn't take too long to fix Mar 29 11:06:01 ok, guess I'll spend the day on asterisk:) Mar 29 11:06:04 pepijn: good question. You might check with places that sell mobile phones if they have old usb-cables Mar 29 11:06:25 and the connector to put onto the board? Mar 29 11:06:50 pepijn: I bought the connector kit on the wiki - worked great Mar 29 11:07:06 Well, no idea. I yanked it off an old motherboard. I've bought some headers from sparkfun after that Mar 29 11:07:13 mtb: just want to know who sells this stuff in 'my' country Mar 29 11:07:14 ;) Mar 29 11:07:42 well, I'm in the UK and the company which is in the states shipped it in a couple of days Mar 29 11:07:56 NAiL: so no recommendation for 'local' shops? Mar 29 11:08:27 just got a biltema catalog, maybe i should browse that one a bit Mar 29 11:08:55 mtb: how much did it cost? Mar 29 11:09:12 pepijn: sorry, no. I can hardly find it here in Trondheim. I have no idea about Oslo Mar 29 11:09:34 well, a netshop based in norway would already help Mar 29 11:10:07 jsut that customs in norway is so 'picky' Mar 29 11:10:33 in the netherlands and least some things got thru w/o having to pay taxes ;) Mar 29 11:12:48 um, I think soemthing like $15 each - so I got two. I bought the prebuilt version with the pcb in a connecter. It came with wires and fitted in seconds Mar 29 11:13:29 Maybe if I get a chance in the next week or so I'll stick some info online Mar 29 11:13:43 yes, that would be nice Mar 29 11:13:54 really fell blind w/o console Mar 29 11:13:59 s/fell/feel/ Mar 29 11:14:01 pepijn meant: really feel blind w/o console Mar 29 11:15:49 NAiL: ref. linuxrc / boot/disk, sticking modprobes in front of the mount did not help? or did i understand that wrong? Mar 29 11:19:00 ok, I'm pushing the RDEPENDS change in a little while Mar 29 11:19:27 you will probably have to wait for a while until the usb-stuff has scanned the disk Mar 29 11:20:24 ah, missing sleep? Mar 29 11:20:26 It works by adding a OPENSLUG_EXTRA_RDEPENDS in your local.conf and manually hacking the modprobe lines into /linuxrc Mar 29 11:20:37 I had to add a sleep 5 in there as well as the modprobes Mar 29 11:20:49 that makes sense Mar 29 11:21:03 dyoung-away: the _EXTRA_DREPENDS are now in monotone Mar 29 11:21:08 Cool. Mar 29 11:21:41 could you paste your lines from linuxrc? Mar 29 11:21:53 jepp, one moment Mar 29 11:22:40 #!/bin/sh Mar 29 11:22:40 modprobe ehci-hcd Mar 29 11:22:40 modprobe ohci-hcd Mar 29 11:22:40 modprobe sd_mod Mar 29 11:22:40 modprobe usb-storage Mar 29 11:22:43 modprobe ext3 Mar 29 11:22:45 sleep 5 Mar 29 11:22:48 leds beep Mar 29 11:22:50 [...] Mar 29 11:27:23 13:28 < CIA-4> nail org.oe.dev * rb110448e... /conf/distro/ (debianslug.conf openslug.conf ucslugc.conf): slugos: Add required usb/scsi modules to rootfs Mar 29 11:29:12 ok, fix to turnup is done too Mar 29 11:29:28 it needs some work though Mar 29 11:31:16 * NAiL needs some feedback on how the bootprocess *should* work with the loadable modules Mar 29 11:32:16 There are some issues, like loading the correct filesystem support Mar 29 11:32:26 (shouldn't that be possible to do automagically?) Mar 29 11:33:03 We never loaded ext3 support manually, did we? Mar 29 11:33:58 Nope, but I needed it for my specific isntall Mar 29 11:34:07 strange Mar 29 11:34:14 I think if you try to mount some foo filesystem, it does the right thing Mar 29 11:34:22 but I wanted to be sure Mar 29 11:34:29 exactly Mar 29 11:35:38 yes, normally modules for fs are loaded when running mounted Mar 29 11:35:58 but the device part of the mount needs to exist when running mount Mar 29 11:36:26 yeah, but it will as long as *-hcd, sd_mod and usb-storage is loaded Mar 29 11:36:27 and since there is no hotplug running on boot, the USB hardware is not found thus modules not loaded and device non-existent Mar 29 11:36:56 yes, and scsi-mod is then loaded automagically by sd_mod/usb-storage Mar 29 11:37:20 hmm, doesn't usb-storage depend on sd_mod? Mar 29 11:37:25 and in principle only one of the *-hcd is needed, but impossible to say which one Mar 29 11:37:28 nope Mar 29 11:37:36 run lsmod ;) Mar 29 11:37:46 Don't have a slug handy :-P Mar 29 11:38:14 well, i do, but not having modularized usb there ;) Mar 29 11:38:46 anyways, last time i checked (saturday?) i noticeed that that dependency was not there Mar 29 11:39:16 That is odd... I thought usb-storage *needed* sd_mod Mar 29 11:39:53 Module Size Used by Mar 29 11:39:53 sd_mod 19120 0 Mar 29 11:39:53 usb_storage 74112 0 Mar 29 11:39:53 scsi_mod 135688 2 sd_mod,usb_storage Mar 29 11:40:01 yeah Mar 29 11:40:02 (from an intel ubuntu system) Mar 29 11:40:15 * pepijn was suprised too Mar 29 11:41:19 but that means one should have modprobes for (minimal): *-hcd, sd_mod and usb-storage Mar 29 11:41:45 yeah Mar 29 12:07:17 pepijn: Could you test the new leds-scsript at http://osx.kynisk.com/leds ? :) Mar 29 12:17:45 NAiL: so what ever happened to the pulsating LED's? Mar 29 12:18:48 well, they should kinda be possible to achieve still Mar 29 12:19:04 the pulsating effect was because of the delay between two "echo" commands Mar 29 12:19:33 hehe Mar 29 12:19:47 should have "leds pulsate" or something. :-) Mar 29 12:20:03 yeah, right Mar 29 12:20:09 you go program that :-P Mar 29 12:20:44 The latest leds script is in SVN, and *should* actually work, even if sysfs isn't mounted Mar 29 12:21:30 by the way, mounted filesystems aren't moved on pivot_root, right? Mar 29 12:22:10 Is there any reason not to just mount sysfs/udev-stuff before booting from anything? Mar 29 12:22:57 I dont grok the LED's schema yet. but it shouldnt be too difficult to write... Mar 29 12:23:49 look at my leds script Mar 29 12:23:55 it's easy Mar 29 13:03:41 sorry NAil - did above mean I can build an image with USB? Mar 29 13:06:17 with the master makefile, yes Mar 29 13:06:25 then the modules should be included in the root fs Mar 29 13:06:43 you will have to turnup once more though, to write a new linuxrc Mar 29 13:09:05 k - great:) Mar 29 13:10:36 * NAiL inserts a "should". I haven't tested it yet Mar 29 14:25:11 hmmm - anyone got a source for nslu2-utils_0.10-3_arm.deb ??? Mar 29 14:25:36 apt-get source nslu2-utils ? Mar 29 14:25:51 using sarge... Mar 29 14:26:12 gah, I hate debian:) Why can't they just use emerge:) Mar 29 14:27:34 http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/n/nslu2-utils/ Mar 29 14:28:16 mtb i'd love to see your face while you're waiting days for your stage 1 compile on the nslu2 ;) Mar 29 14:30:06 it took about 25 minutes on my workstation - distcc:) Mar 29 14:30:26 thanks for that:) Mar 29 14:31:26 incedently, a new user going to gentoo.org nowadays only gets the option of a stage 3 - and on x86 now even has an installer... Mar 29 14:31:52 np :) but what's the difference between downloading precompiled binaries from a remote server and letting it compile on your workstation and then download it to your slug? ;) Mar 29 14:32:06 no stage 1 anymore? Mar 29 14:32:22 wouldn't it be time to switch to LFS? ;) Mar 29 14:34:19 well, we all still do stage 1's, but it ain't in the manual:) Mar 29 15:35:33 hi there :) Mar 29 15:35:57 where can i get your nslu2-patchset for 2.6.15 without monotone? Mar 29 15:57:05 cvs Mar 29 16:06:35 Hmmm - A slug was sitting in upgrade mode when it seemed to time out. Now when powering it on I just get the power led, none of the activity leds. Is there some magical reset sequence? Mar 29 16:08:08 Or is it time for a Viking burial - ie I set it on fire and kick it out the window into the canal??? Mar 29 16:13:22 kami22 i found a wiki page for your question Mar 29 16:18:52 really ? pls send it to me but i think i found on two :) Mar 29 16:18:56 two=too Mar 29 16:20:15 i know i found a wiki page, but i don't remember your problem ... kami22 Mar 29 16:26:58 mtb: Uh, it shouldn't have overwritten the bootloader anyhow Mar 29 16:27:31 so you should be able to get it into upgrade mode by pressing and holding the reset button when powering on, or do the arping; telnet trick Mar 29 16:27:50 After a while, it should start blinking Mar 29 16:38:29 even if I'm not getting any of the leds, do you think that reboot is ok? Mar 29 16:38:40 *redboot Mar 29 16:40:53 you're getting the ethernet led, right? Mar 29 16:41:07 and the ready/status one is amber? Mar 29 16:41:30 nope Mar 29 16:41:32 none of those Mar 29 16:41:39 just the power led Mar 29 16:42:11 that's strange Mar 29 16:42:20 yup... Mar 29 16:42:29 how'd you upgrade? Mar 29 16:42:33 I didn't Mar 29 16:43:08 what happens if you press and hold the reset button while powering on? Mar 29 16:43:34 it was in upgrade mode, I decided to do a make upgrade, and after a while it seemed to time out. I reset it and it seems to have bricked Mar 29 16:43:53 nothing, the 4 leds are off Mar 29 16:44:15 uuuh Mar 29 16:44:21 yup:) Mar 29 16:44:23 you're just gettting the powerbutton led? Mar 29 16:44:26 damn Mar 29 16:44:56 if I got the ready I'd be thinking of redboot, but it doesn't seem to be getting that far Mar 29 16:45:34 IIRC, if any of the leds come on, it atleast starts redboot Mar 29 16:45:47 thats what I was assuming Mar 29 16:50:44 :kicks the slug into the corner Mar 29 16:51:25 hmm Mar 29 16:51:36 where are you from? Maybe there's a slugger with JTAG nearby? Mar 29 16:52:05 it might be possible to rescue it Mar 29 17:04:25 * NAiL can't figure out why the leds won't work before sysfs is mounted Mar 29 17:04:31 anyone with a slug with serial here? Mar 29 17:04:36 (and a 2.6.16-kernel) Mar 29 17:16:01 hi, can anyone help me get the zd1211 wireless adapter working on openslug 2.7? Mar 29 17:17:44 ifconfig wlan0 up; iwconfig wlan0 enc ; iwconfig wlan0 essid ; dhclient wlan0 does it for me Mar 29 17:18:25 okay sounds good, i have followed the wiki, but i dont have dhclient? Mar 29 17:18:48 i tried with a static ip, but when i changed the default routing table, i can ping anything :( Mar 29 17:18:48 hmm, can't remember what the dhcp client was Mar 29 17:19:02 can't ping Mar 29 17:19:31 try udhcpcd wlan0 instead Mar 29 17:19:38 eh, udhcpc Mar 29 17:19:47 ok, thanks Mar 29 18:06:54 here is one: I boot from memstick /dev/sda - as soon as I atach a harddrive, that harddrive almost always will be assigned /dev/sda - so I cannot boot anymore ... is there a solution to this ? Mar 29 18:08:35 There will be, in the next release Mar 29 18:10:24 WOW, I have tried to fiddle around with udev ipkg having a rule for that, but at the point udev gets into play, it's of no use, as the stick is mounted already Mar 29 18:10:34 yeah Mar 29 18:10:46 basically, it involves UUIDs Mar 29 18:11:24 I wonder how the solution will work ? Mar 29 18:12:11 I'm not entirely sure of the inner workings, but turnup writes the UUID to linuxrc so that when you mount, "mount" can identify the proper partition Mar 29 18:12:59 off to bowling Mar 29 18:14:41 hm .... I tried that as well - by trying to find the stick's serial and to what device it is linked - from that I then "exec /boot/disk" either /dev/sda1 or /dev/sdb1 Mar 29 18:15:18 rewriting fstab was necessary - but it did not seem to work at the end Mar 29 18:15:29 when will that release be due ... ? Mar 29 18:16:24 well, some issues remain ;) Mar 29 18:16:35 I'm working on it, and it is close Mar 29 18:16:55 koen, i managed to arrange a 20" lcd at work, for saturday so probably we do not need your crt Mar 29 18:17:00 what version number to lookout ? Mar 29 18:17:08 still need to pick it up though Mar 29 18:17:22 I need to figure out how to get the new led system working, and fix the initscripts so that it uses them Mar 29 18:17:47 and there's an issue with module loading that need taking care of Mar 29 18:17:48 have an additional device to show: http://www.pertelian.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=43&Itemid=48 Mar 29 18:17:56 The release will be 3.6-beta Mar 29 18:17:57 got it today, hope I can get it running Mar 29 18:18:32 I have read the irc-logs about that led-discussion - good luck though - great work - phun @ bowling Mar 29 18:18:52 not much to read :-P Mar 29 18:20:10 If things work out as planned, it should be out by the beginning of next week Mar 29 18:20:46 great ... in the meantime, do you think, what I have described (finding the stick and device, rewrite fstab of the sticks root, and exec boot/disk the correct device from linuxrc) should work ? Mar 29 18:21:13 eFfeM: ok, I'll leave the tv at home Mar 29 18:21:20 s/at home/at my parents/ Mar 29 18:21:20 koen meant: eFfeM: ok, I'll leave the tv at my parents Mar 29 18:21:34 ok Mar 29 18:24:34 tutenchamun: I can't think of any other ways that will work than either mounting udev first and using obscure rules or the UUID solution Mar 29 18:24:37 * AwayNAiL gotta go Mar 29 18:24:39 bbl Mar 29 18:25:54 ok , I'll be patient ... cu Mar 29 18:34:54 AwayNAiL: http://bugs.treke.net/show_bug.cgi?id=792 Mar 29 18:35:37 and http://bugs.treke.net/show_bug.cgi?id=793 Mar 29 18:52:06 hi, slightly offtopic, but can someone enlighten my perl knowledge a little bit Mar 29 18:54:59 eFfeM: do you work for philips? Mar 29 18:56:04 yes Mar 29 18:56:16 that is where i borrowed the tv Mar 29 18:56:52 are you familiar with the Sea-of-DSP project? Mar 29 18:58:12 not really, it might have been mentioned to me at some point in time. is this a project running in research Mar 29 18:58:19 * eFfeM works for consumer electronics Mar 29 18:58:52 I was at SPS/DART and a lot of philips people where there Mar 29 18:59:09 sadly no cool stuff Mar 29 19:00:01 in 6 wks or so the yearly research fair takes place, gives a nice overview on what is going on in other places Mar 29 19:00:59 when I visited philips 4 years ago they showed the 3dtv prototype Mar 29 19:01:06 and a lot of SACD stuff Mar 29 19:01:20 yesterday someone had a presentation about the 3dtv..... Mar 29 19:02:45 haven't seen the latest versions Mar 29 19:03:44 the sea-of-dsp presentation was nice (doing SMP like stuff with dsps), but I was left with a few questions Mar 29 19:04:24 * koen is looking forward to saterday Mar 29 19:05:16 * eFfeM too Mar 29 19:05:35 i can try to give you a name or an email address if you want to Mar 29 19:05:47 if you have the name of the presenter it is probably easy to get to the email address Mar 29 19:05:57 I have his email address already :) Mar 29 19:06:35 ah, ok Mar 29 19:08:15 he used "high speed" and "thumb instructions" in the same sentence, which I found a bit odd Mar 29 19:08:39 What do you wish to know about perl, eFfeM? I used to use it a lot at a previous job. Mar 29 19:10:33 mwester: thanks for your help, got an error message, but found the root cause already Mar 29 19:10:43 ok. Mar 29 19:10:46 when clipping the code from the web page I missed the initial # Mar 29 19:10:49 * eFfeM blushes Mar 29 19:12:02 i'm still more of a grep, sed, sh person Mar 29 19:12:40 I used to be a grep, sed, sh person too - but then I graduated to Perl :p :D Mar 29 19:13:30 Unfortunately, Perl is a bit too big to be a good choice for the slug. Mar 29 19:14:39 actually I thought I had a perl book, but I couldn't find it, could be that it is at work or maybe upstairs Mar 29 19:14:50 * eFfeM has too many books Mar 29 19:16:04 anyway the perl example script I have to drive the lcd display works Mar 29 19:16:19 try to get something real to work tomorrow... Mar 29 19:16:27 anyway I'll bring the display on saturday Mar 29 19:19:18 away, back later Mar 29 20:46:23 koen: did you think re the loading of the necessary modules? Mar 29 20:46:41 We haven't mounted udev at that point. Dunno if we should. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Mar 30 10:59:56 2006