**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Apr 21 09:59:57 2006
Apr 21 10:00:40 <Prometeo> hi
Apr 21 10:00:46 <Prometeo> anybody here ?
Apr 21 12:03:40 <d4rr3ll> afternoon everybody... just taken delivery of my first nslu2, just about to reflash it now :)
Apr 21 13:59:39 <kitno455> ok guys- trying to get a handle on where the beeps went in current ucslugc. not sure if this is related to the new udev stuff?
Apr 21 14:00:24 <kitno455> does anyone building current openslug HEAD get beeps when their slug boots?
Apr 21 14:01:20 <EvilDevil_> kitno455, i'm not sure. my slug doesn't boot with ucslugc or openslug
Apr 21 14:01:28 <kitno455> debian?
Apr 21 14:02:09 <EvilDevil_> haven't flashed a recent version of debianslug
Apr 21 14:02:29 <kitno455> are you still on kernel 2.6.15?
Apr 21 14:03:19 <EvilDevil_> no, 2.6.16, but still the old kernel (scsi + usb modules compiled in)
Apr 21 14:03:50 <kitno455> can you shell into your slug and see if the command beep works?
Apr 21 14:05:35 <EvilDevil_> kitno455, i can do "beep" as root and i can hear it
Apr 21 14:05:54 <kitno455> are you using serial connection?
Apr 21 14:06:01 <kitno455> at all?
Apr 21 14:06:58 <EvilDevil_> i have 1 slug with serial mod and 1 without. the one without is running debianslug (2.6.16 scsi+usb compiled in), the other one is running nothing atm
Apr 21 14:07:22 <kitno455> cool
Apr 21 14:07:46 <kitno455> i am trying to narrow this down- do you have /dev/tty0 on that slug?
Apr 21 14:08:50 <EvilDevil_> which slug?
Apr 21 14:09:01 <kitno455> the one that beeps
Apr 21 14:09:04 <kitno455> no serial
Apr 21 14:11:54 <kitno455> i dont have /dev/tty0 on my slug, only /dev/tty and /dev/ttyS[01]
Apr 21 14:12:05 <kitno455> beep claims to want to open /dev/tty0
Apr 21 14:12:24 <EvilDevil_> same here
Apr 21 14:12:46 <kitno455> weird- it works for you though?
Apr 21 14:12:57 <EvilDevil_> Could not open /dev/tty0 or /dev/vc/0 for writing   <- when running as a non-root user
Apr 21 14:13:11 <kitno455> i shelled in as root
Apr 21 14:14:37 <EvilDevil_> there's no tty0 nor vc/0
Apr 21 14:14:52 <kitno455> so wtf is beep openning?
Apr 21 14:15:08 <kitno455> when it works... use the source luke
Apr 21 14:15:12 <kitno455> lets see....
Apr 21 14:17:01 <kitno455> ahhh
Apr 21 14:17:14 <kitno455> there is another choice that beep tries first
Apr 21 14:17:19 <kitno455> /dev/input/event0
Apr 21 14:17:46 <kitno455> EvilDevil, do you have /dev/input/event0 ?
Apr 21 14:17:53 <EvilDevil> yep
Apr 21 14:17:57 <kitno455> i dont
Apr 21 14:18:06 <kitno455> new udev setup maybe?
Apr 21 14:18:10 <EvilDevil> crw-rw---- 1 root root 13, 64 2006-04-16 23:41 /dev/input/event0
Apr 21 14:18:21 <kitno455> i dont even have /dev/input dir
Apr 21 14:18:28 <kitno455> but i do have stuff in /sys
Apr 21 14:18:34 <kitno455> lets try that :)
Apr 21 14:19:12 <kitno455> hmm, none of this stuff seems to be the same format...
Apr 21 14:25:48 <HopsNBarley> kitno455, how ya feeling today?
Apr 21 14:26:55 <EvilDevil> i think he's feeling kinda beeped
Apr 21 14:27:07 <kitno455> HopsNBarley, terrible
Apr 21 14:27:29 <kitno455> you know, i've never had allergies before, but i think that might be the cause
Apr 21 14:27:39 <kitno455> i remember having a cold around this time last year
Apr 21 14:28:05 <HopsNBarley> bummer.  same story here.  no allergies at all, ever.  but this year, persistent cough, occasional headache.  I know perhaps 5 other people with the same story this year.
Apr 21 14:28:20 <EvilDevil> bird flu
Apr 21 14:29:14 <kitno455> cool, we are all gonna die
Apr 21 14:30:15 <kitno455> anyway- i bet the kernel haxors have this all figured out, but i am stumped
Apr 21 14:30:31 <kitno455> where is /dev/input?
Apr 21 14:35:44 <HopsNBarley> kitno455, no beep on my semi-recent openslug head reboot.
Apr 21 14:35:59 <HopsNBarley> no /dev/input either
Apr 21 14:37:28 <kitno455> udev
Apr 21 14:44:27 <kitno455> looks like we need udev 0.087-2 ?
Apr 21 14:44:48 <kitno455> but HEAD contains udev-084 ?
Apr 21 14:45:45 <EvilDevil> i got udev-0.89 on my debianslug (the one that beeps)
Apr 21 14:46:22 <kitno455> this is little-ended debian?
Apr 21 14:46:41 <EvilDevil> yep
Apr 21 14:46:48 <EvilDevil> little endian
Apr 21 14:46:49 <EvilDevil> ;)
Apr 21 14:47:02 <kitno455> so you benefit from all those prebuilt packages
Apr 21 14:47:12 <EvilDevil> yes :)
Apr 21 14:47:33 <kitno455> i wonder how hard it will be for me to make a .bb for later udev :)
Apr 21 14:48:05 <EvilDevil> kitno455, for openslug?
Apr 21 14:48:10 <kitno455> ucslugc
Apr 21 14:48:25 <kitno455> openslug should be same
Apr 21 14:48:43 <EvilDevil> yes, but you could use the opendebianslug package in openslug
Apr 21 14:48:55 <EvilDevil> they're both BE
Apr 21 14:49:03 <kitno455> but that does not have all the packages that LE has
Apr 21 14:49:06 <kitno455> ?
Apr 21 14:49:56 <kitno455> i am confused about the relationship between all those...
Apr 21 14:50:08 <EvilDevil> i'm not sure about the exact number of packages, but i think there are 15k+ packages for BE Debian
Apr 21 14:50:23 <kitno455> well, in my case i really want small.
Apr 21 14:50:34 <EvilDevil> there is a .bb for udev-089
Apr 21 14:50:37 <kitno455> i am trying to squeeze the entire image down
Apr 21 14:50:52 <kitno455> i am looking at it...
Apr 21 14:51:40 <EvilDevil> i think there's some config file which chooses the prefered version of a package that goes into the image... 
Apr 21 14:51:52 <kitno455> looking for it now... :)
Apr 21 14:53:04 <EvilDevil> openembedded/conf/distro/slugos.conf
Apr 21 14:53:19 <kitno455> my copy does not mention udev?
Apr 21 14:53:46 <EvilDevil> mine neither
Apr 21 14:56:29 <HopsNBarley> i think you could put that anywhere on the .conf file chain.  i put some preferreds in local.conf as i recall.
Apr 21 14:58:09 <kitno455> ok, but where is it set now?
Apr 21 14:58:35 <kitno455> most other packages just move forward when newer versions are available
Apr 21 15:02:00 <kitno455> first line of udev_089.bb:
Apr 21 15:02:09 <kitno455> DEFAULT_PREFERENCE = "-1"
Apr 21 15:15:22 <kitno455> ok, got udev 089-r1 installed, but still no /dev/input
Apr 21 15:15:42 <kitno455> wonder if some rules need to be updated
Apr 21 15:17:50 <HopsNBarley> what device are you trying to create a node for?
Apr 21 15:18:15 <kitno455> /dev/input/event0 if that is still correct for latest kerneles
Apr 21 15:18:25 <kitno455> s/kerneles/kernels/
Apr 21 15:18:25 <apt> kitno455 meant: /dev/input/event0 if that is still correct for latest kernels
Apr 21 15:18:45 <HopsNBarley> what is event0?
Apr 21 15:19:08 <kitno455> it was the beeper
Apr 21 15:19:14 <HopsNBarley> ah.
Apr 21 15:24:05 <kitno455> boy, static dev never bothered me at all :)
Apr 21 15:27:49 <kitno455> hmm, there is still a /sbin/hotplug. i wonder if that is a problem...
Apr 21 15:28:09 <kitno455> adios
Apr 21 15:55:29 <jake_> hello.
Apr 21 15:55:34 <jake_> rwhity?
Apr 21 15:55:43 <jake_> hmm.. his not here..
Apr 21 19:02:32 <kitno455> re all
Apr 21 19:28:56 <HopsNBarley> kitno455 - do you know about /lib/udev/devices ???
Apr 21 19:30:22 <kitno455> HopsNBarley, no
Apr 21 19:30:24 <kitno455> just reading udev docs now
Apr 21 19:31:06 <kitno455> hmm- dont have that on my desktop box
Apr 21 19:31:35 <HopsNBarley> what version of udev is on your box?
Apr 21 19:31:40 <kitno455> but it has 071
Apr 21 19:31:48 <kitno455> lets look at slug
Apr 21 19:32:56 <kitno455> no such file on slug, but there is a /lib/udev dir
Apr 21 19:33:09 <HopsNBarley> i've got 0.87 (gentoo), and slug 0.84r3
Apr 21 19:33:24 <kitno455> my slug now has 089
Apr 21 19:33:28 <HopsNBarley> and i've got it on the gentoo.
Apr 21 19:33:33 <HopsNBarley> yeah, i saw you upgrade.
Apr 21 19:33:36 <HopsNBarley> (-;
Apr 21 19:33:52 <kitno455> i am confused anyway
Apr 21 19:33:54 <HopsNBarley> the udev start script will copy anything in /lib/udev/devices/* to /dev upon startup.
Apr 21 19:34:08 <HopsNBarley> i don't know if this helps you, but i thought i'd toss it out there.
Apr 21 19:34:11 <kitno455> do a df on your slug
Apr 21 19:34:15 <kitno455> i see this:
Apr 21 19:34:21 <kitno455> /dev/mtdblock4            6528      2988      3540  46% /dev/.static/dev
Apr 21 19:34:43 <HopsNBarley> i see the same thing - 'cept on the hd.
Apr 21 19:35:19 <NAiL> the /dev/mtdblock4 is just the mtdblock4 /dev bindmounted to /dev/.static/dev
Apr 21 19:35:23 <NAiL> ie, the original dev
Apr 21 19:35:31 <NAiL> not usually required
Apr 21 19:35:33 <kitno455> static
Apr 21 19:35:36 <NAiL> yes
Apr 21 19:35:41 <kitno455> required at boot?
Apr 21 19:35:54 <NAiL> unlikely
Apr 21 19:36:03 <NAiL> It's there for compatibility
Apr 21 19:36:03 <kitno455> hmm-
Apr 21 19:36:20 <kitno455> NAiL, here is my issue:
Apr 21 19:36:28 <kitno455> beep does not work anymore under HEAD
Apr 21 19:36:37 <kitno455> there are no /dev/input files
Apr 21 19:36:54 <kitno455> beep opens /dev/input/event0 first
Apr 21 19:37:23 <kitno455> so i am trying to figure out how those get created
Apr 21 19:37:30 <kitno455> i can see the buzzer in /sys
Apr 21 19:38:05 <NAiL> I think someone like lennert would know that... 
Apr 21 19:38:20 <NAiL> I'm not familiar with how the buzzer works yet
Apr 21 19:38:26 <kitno455> unfortunately, i might be on the wrong path anyway
Apr 21 19:39:00 <kitno455> cause when i manually create the nodes, it still does not work.
Apr 21 19:39:25 <kitno455> i know there have been alot of changes in sysfs/udev recently to remove need for /sbin/hotplug
Apr 21 19:46:48 <HopsNBarley> kitno455, think i'm onto something...
Apr 21 19:49:36 <HopsNBarley> ...nevermind.  thought there was a missing patch.
Apr 21 20:01:04 <kitno455> looks like the beeper patch got mainlined for 2.6.16
Apr 21 20:02:21 <kitno455> comparing two slugs i have one that works, one that does not
Apr 21 20:04:33 <kitno455> both say: input: ixp4xx beeper as /class/input/input0
Apr 21 20:04:37 <kitno455> during bootup
Apr 21 20:06:40 <kitno455> the /sys/class/input/input0/ dirs look a little different
Apr 21 21:01:58 <kitno455> ok, if i diff the copy of drivers/input/misc/ixp4xx-beeper.c
Apr 21 21:02:20 <kitno455> in 2.6.15.3 and 2.6.16, they are not the same
Apr 21 22:06:05 <kitno455> HopsNBarley, technical difficulties?
Apr 21 22:10:43 <kitno455> morning rod
Apr 21 22:11:01 <rwhitby> morning
Apr 21 22:11:30 <kitno455> do you know anything about the buzzer under 2.6.16?
Apr 21 22:12:47 <kitno455> having some trouble
Apr 21 22:17:39 <kitno455_> hmm, technical difficulties
Apr 21 22:18:26 <kitno455_> rwhitby, seems that slug's buzzer does not work under current HEAD
Apr 21 22:18:38 <kitno455_> trying to get a handle on it
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