**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jul 08 02:59:59 2006 Jul 08 07:20:40 morning all Jul 08 07:33:01 ~seen rwhitby Jul 08 07:33:07 rwhitby was last seen on IRC in channel #openjtag, 1d 18h 44m 5s ago, saying: 'vmaster: thanks for your help - time for sleep here now. talk to you another day.'. Jul 08 08:05:52 hm, I am noticing that on ipkg install often things hang on the http from ipkg.nlsu2-linux.org Jul 08 08:05:59 is this a known issue? Jul 08 08:06:22 once the packet starts downloading things are fine, but often it does not start Jul 08 08:41:20 hm, found the cause of my ipkg problem. sometimes ipkg.nlsu2-linux is resolved to ipkg-fr-jeanfabrice.nslu2-linux.org and that one seems not responding Jul 08 08:41:27 is there a workaround for this ? Jul 08 14:38:12 <|kami|> hi can anyone help me i am using openslug but i think my system doesnt use the swap space who can help me? Jul 08 15:53:19 uhm openslug is big or little endian? Jul 08 15:53:47 big Jul 08 15:54:06 armeb = big endian Jul 08 15:54:24 and i guess my pc is litttle Jul 08 15:54:26 uhm Jul 08 15:54:28 thanx Jul 08 15:54:46 my laptop is bigendian (powerbook) :) Jul 08 15:54:57 is there a way to check it out? Jul 08 15:55:05 /proc? Jul 08 15:55:07 x86 is always LE Jul 08 15:55:11 ok thx Jul 08 15:55:43 I am doing some stuuf with usb-uirt and it work on my pc but not on the nslu2 Jul 08 15:55:56 I guess endianess is the source of my problem. Jul 08 15:56:29 anyway thx :) Jul 08 16:01:38 <|kami|> hi can anyone help me i am using openslug but i think my system doesnt use the swap space who can help me? Jul 08 19:49:15 is anybody trying to get a native build enviroment working.....? Jul 08 19:49:37 or worked on the 2.7 build environ Jul 08 19:51:09 what I think I need are some configure options to nativly try to build gcc.tar.bz memory or inlining ....? Jul 08 19:55:54 Harvy, i have the native env more or less working Jul 08 19:55:57 on 3.10 that is Jul 08 19:56:26 just install slugos-native followed by libc6-dev Jul 08 19:57:06 it's not yet perfect though Jul 08 20:07:38 atm trying to do a native build of gcc Jul 08 20:08:56 I have done a bb for nano and before that a hello.c, just finished make && make install of binutils Jul 08 20:09:40 from the gnu site Jul 08 20:15:45 eFfeM: could you add libc6-dev to slugos-native? Jul 08 20:16:11 i have a kind of log on the native wiki Jul 08 20:16:25 I can't understand why it's not there, since it'd definitely needed for any development Jul 08 20:16:50 some fo the ipk tools also appear to be missing Jul 08 20:17:10 are you trying to set up monotone etc. natively? Jul 08 20:18:01 did but had real problems atm got enough for nano.bb and hello.c Jul 08 20:18:03 NAiL, i already have earlier today Jul 08 20:18:09 col Jul 08 20:18:15 s/col/cool/ Jul 08 20:18:16 NAiL meant: cool Jul 08 20:18:26 actually I had a little bit of trouble with it, in the end solved it by adding a DEPENDS Jul 08 20:18:35 nano needed the ipk stuff Jul 08 20:18:45 nano? That's odd Jul 08 20:18:54 slugos-native is not that comprehensible Jul 08 20:19:00 ipk-build i think Jul 08 20:19:12 it's the work of jbowler. It's some kind of black magic ;-) Jul 08 20:19:21 still struggling with the fact that my libstdc++ did not have version info, now trying to rebuild everything Jul 08 20:19:38 but this might also be an issue with the unstable feed. Jul 08 20:19:44 but download binutils from gnu and untared and built Jul 08 20:20:18 i guess it has to do with which version of binutils and how you got there, I'm now rebuilding everything from scratch Jul 08 20:20:27 If I can finally get a "proper" dev box soon, I should be able to start cleaning up a bit atleast Jul 08 20:20:43 binutils 2.17 i think Jul 08 20:21:10 also had the problem that my native libc.so is there but no libc.so.6 etc Jul 08 20:21:37 odd Jul 08 20:22:11 i do have the advantage that I can compare a 2.7 o-slu and 3.1 Jul 08 20:22:30 for the libc.so yes, for the version info in libstdc++ it might be I destroyed something trying to go to a newer binutils and eventually to glibc2.4 Jul 08 20:22:47 ah Jul 08 20:22:49 decided meanwhile to wait a little until it is more stable Jul 08 20:22:57 that is why i decided to rebuild everything Jul 08 20:23:13 I hope you can get 2.4 working :) Jul 08 20:23:14 NAiL do you have access to the autobuild system? Jul 08 20:23:24 hmm Jul 08 20:23:32 2.4: probably not before I leave for holiday Jul 08 20:23:33 yes, but not from where I'm sitting Jul 08 20:23:50 NAiL, np Jul 08 20:23:57 btw the usbflash swap seems to be ok for now - swap an a different physicsal drive Jul 08 20:24:14 if at some point you have time could you try to build memtester on the autobuild ? Jul 08 20:24:45 I'm hoping for a SlugOS 4.x release with glibc 2.4, latest kernel and stuff ;-) Jul 08 20:24:46 bb memtester works fine with me, but it failed on nudi saying that memtester.c is not there (while it is in the gz and also in my local dir) Jul 08 20:25:22 * Harvy is away: playing pool Jul 08 20:25:37 I'd love to have a copy of work/memtester from nudi, to compare with mine Jul 08 20:26:09 most of the packages are working with gcc 4.1.1. now only madwifi caused troubles (and I cannot test that one) Jul 08 20:26:22 cool Jul 08 20:26:29 if I recall correctly :-) Jul 08 20:26:39 did a make slugos-packages Jul 08 20:26:47 I'm hoping that 2.6.18 will be in the next release too. That way I won't have to maintain zd1211 anymore :-P Jul 08 20:26:57 the zd1211rw driver is in 2.6.18-rc1 :) Jul 08 20:27:10 ah, pvrusb2-mci also got in there Jul 08 20:27:29 cool Jul 08 20:27:35 do you know a good way to get a few missing packages in 3.10 (the ones which I am currently hosting) Jul 08 20:27:58 this came up last week if you still recall Jul 08 20:28:08 well, the best way is to bug the stable package manager :-P Jul 08 20:28:28 isn't that NAiL :-) Jul 08 20:28:37 I'll try getting around to it the next few days Jul 08 20:29:19 ok, you might find me online at odd moments, actually I already have holiday (but the wife probably won't allow me to spent all day behind the pc (lol)) Jul 08 20:29:32 well Jul 08 20:29:39 currently still sitting outside with the laptop with some ssh connections. Jul 08 20:29:51 could you resend the relevant .bb's ? Jul 08 20:29:51 btw for the soccer lovers: germany crushed portugal by 3-1 Jul 08 20:29:57 yeah Jul 08 20:30:01 watching myself ;) Jul 08 20:30:10 I was hoping for 3-3 :-P Jul 08 20:30:39 ah, for some reason we dutch do not like the portuguese too much any more :-) Jul 08 20:30:46 heh Jul 08 20:30:53 * eFfeM does not really care about soccer but his kids do Jul 08 20:30:57 I didn't really care who won Jul 08 20:31:01 but the match was fun Jul 08 20:31:33 you have write access to trac, right? Jul 08 20:32:01 the bb's from 3.10 are ok, it is only that for some reason they did end up in the broken section of slugos-packages Jul 08 20:32:07 trac, yes Jul 08 20:32:15 brb, grab a fresh beer Jul 08 20:33:00 File a bug on slugos, assign it to me, attach relevant stuff Jul 08 20:33:12 That way I'm reminded every time I open firefox ;-) Jul 08 20:33:52 ok Jul 08 20:34:34 not really too happy that non-dev's can't file bug reports Jul 08 20:35:29 I know Jul 08 20:35:40 it's a bit awkward Jul 08 20:35:54 I'll be back later Jul 08 20:35:55 btw, what shoudl we do with this: http://www.dirkmann.org/nslu2.php and this: http://chezphil.org/slugpower/ Jul 08 20:36:08 think I'll add a ref to them in the wiki Jul 08 20:36:13 later Jul 08 20:37:10 yeah Jul 08 20:37:14 I liked that one :) Jul 08 20:37:31 btw if the missing packages are in the feed it becomes easier to describe some stuff in the wiki Jul 08 20:43:59 there you go, one ticket for you Jul 08 20:51:36 accepted Jul 08 20:53:09 AwayNAiL, added the dirkmann link to the peripherals homepage, the one from phil was already there Jul 08 20:53:52 I seem to be having endian problems with libusb, Is there any way I can recompile openslug to little endian? Jul 08 20:54:26 I'd rather not use debianslug, heh Jul 08 20:57:12 actually debianslug has the same kernel Jul 08 20:58:04 i'm not really sure if there is a standard makefile rule to make slugos-le Jul 08 20:58:16 I know, but the rest of the system is compiled for a little endian; apparently libusb plays better with that than bigendian. Jul 08 20:58:18 of course it would be better to solve the libusb problem ... Jul 08 20:58:41 Unfortunately, I'm not exactly the best coder, and I wouldn't know where to begin. Jul 08 20:59:15 maybe rwhitby can help you if you can catch him online Jul 08 20:59:15 all I know is the developer of the app I'm using mentioned that libusb needed some endian patches on OSX and other big endian archs Jul 08 20:59:34 However, I'm pretty decent with a compiler once I know the environment Jul 08 20:59:47 and I'd be more than happy to fill a openslug-le repository Jul 08 21:04:53 talk to rwhitby or AwayNAiL Jul 08 21:05:19 Rather talk to NAiL -- rude talking to someone who's /away ;) Jul 08 21:05:48 no worries, I'mma have my slug a while, and I'm an IRC veteran. Jul 08 21:06:38 I'll be about a while. Jul 08 21:07:01 maybe even do some work on gentooslug, since documentation seems to be quite lacking there Jul 08 21:07:42 Frankly, I'm just happy to have 2.6.16 on my slug. Kudos to whoever pulled that port off. Jul 08 21:08:05 too many embedded devices are stuck on 2.4.x kernels ;) Jul 08 21:09:51 oh if I'm not there feel free to leave a msg to eFfeM-log Jul 08 21:10:22 yeah, I have an embedded 2.4 device. pretty cool device but too difficult to port new drivers to Jul 08 21:10:37 Indeed, and they don't support usermode drivers very nicely either Jul 08 21:11:30 nope Jul 08 21:11:46 heh Jul 08 21:11:58 companies are still using 2.4 because 2.6 doesn't support arm Jul 08 21:12:16 "there is no -rmk1 patch for 2.6.x, therefore no arm support" Jul 08 21:13:01 * Kamilion stares at his slug Jul 08 21:13:26 Silly companies. If a couple of hackers can pull it off, why can't they? ;) Jul 08 21:13:52 companies don't 'search' Jul 08 21:14:21 like most users :/ Jul 08 21:14:30 heh koen Jul 08 21:14:56 I read the whole wiki before dropping in and asking questions. Only had my slug for 3 days and I've probably done quite a bit with it most users havn't ;) Jul 08 21:15:00 or hire mvista, which sells them 2.4.mvista Jul 08 21:15:10 first thing I did was get root over NFS ;) Jul 08 21:15:10 koen, the device I have is based on sigma 8620, this one has an arm core (but no mmu) Jul 08 21:15:22 it was the one I showed at slugdag Jul 08 21:15:45 eFfeM: good news: last week a slew of nommu patches were submitted to L-A-K :) Jul 08 21:16:22 hm. decided not to try to get 2.6 on this box Jul 08 21:16:36 already too much problems with gcc 4.1.1 Jul 08 21:16:41 Hm, that's good news for me though. I've got a mipsel machine with no mmu that could probably use those. Jul 08 21:16:43 unless you have a few weeks of spare time to dedicate to it Jul 08 21:16:45 still haven't gotten glibc 2.4 to work Jul 08 21:17:17 also for some reason I ended up with a libstdc++ withouht version info and a libc.so without a libc.so.6 etc Jul 08 21:17:29 but only on the target, not on the host system Jul 08 21:18:39 calling it a day Jul 08 21:18:43 ~weather eheh Jul 08 21:18:47 Eindhoven, Netherlands; (EHEH) 51-27N 005-25E 28M; last updated: 2006.07.08 2025 UTC; Dew Point: 55 F (13 C); Pressure (altimeter): 30.03 in. Hg (1017 hPa); Relative Humidity: 64%; Temperature: 68 F (20 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Wind: from the SSW (200 degrees) at 5 MPH (4 KT) Jul 08 21:18:48 I pushed a new binutils today which should fix a few problems with glibc Jul 08 21:19:06 glibc 2.4 that is Jul 08 21:19:33 ah, ok might give it a try later Jul 08 21:20:05 actually I had problems controlling the order, although I had set everything to preferred 2.4 it still wanted to give me a 2.l3 cross Jul 08 21:20:12 2.3 that is Jul 08 21:20:47 talk to you about this later, get some sleep now. Jul 08 21:20:48 cu Jul 08 21:31:07 oh, is there a package for htop? Jul 08 21:31:26 * Kamilion checks Jul 08 21:32:16 guess not. Jul 08 22:53:30 * Harvy is back Jul 08 22:54:21 if anybody is still on making gcc-core is still going **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jul 09 02:59:56 2006