**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Oct 12 02:59:56 2006 Oct 12 11:00:50 NAiL, I noticed an update to glibc 2.5 intermediate in the latest HEAD pull. ANything to do with you? I know the guys in #oe were reporting good stability with it but I think they said slugos would need some extra work for it. Oct 12 11:20:29 not me Oct 12 11:20:35 dunno what it is Oct 12 11:22:52 ok. it must simply be their changes propagating to us. Oct 12 12:31:58 anyone know how to create the real time clock device ? Oct 12 12:33:43 i am unable to use the hwclock utility now Oct 12 16:28:39 Sigh, still can't figure out how to build a libc 2.4 openslug build. Oct 12 16:29:06 But I am currently building glibc-2.5 for my gentoo-slug. :) Oct 12 17:03:29 joshin, nice. ask the #oe guys as they seem to have good results with 2.5 Oct 12 17:03:47 Did you see my posting in nslu2-dev yahoo group about this? Oct 12 17:04:37 VoodooZ, Both NAiL and I have without much success. I've already spent more time on it than I care to. Oct 12 17:04:40 Are you stephane641 ? Oct 12 17:06:04 * NAiL confirms who VoodooZ is ;) Oct 12 17:06:14 yep Oct 12 17:06:34 I unfortunately didn't get a chance to try myself as It's way beyond me. Oct 12 17:06:59 libc-2.5 is building nicely... :) Oct 12 17:07:17 so far. :) Oct 12 17:07:17 I've been learning how to do OE package to get my speech recognition software in there. (pocketsphinx) and it's much more complicated than I thought becuase of multiple tarballs... Oct 12 17:07:43 I could probably get my head wrapped around it given enough time, but I'm in the middle of a new job, moving to a new house, new gf, hacking the n2100, repairing my car and other stuff :-P Oct 12 17:07:43 check with the #oe guys, but they said something about the slugos missing some EABIT thingy or something. Oct 12 17:08:17 EABI Oct 12 17:08:17 ouch! sensory overload! Oct 12 17:08:17 the new binary ABI Oct 12 17:08:17 NAiL, yeah, that's it. Oct 12 17:08:17 that part kind of scared me. :) Oct 12 17:08:33 koen is the one that got EABI working AFAIK Oct 12 17:08:33 otherwise they seem to think it's pretty stable. Oct 12 17:08:49 NAiL, I have a similarly long list of things taking up time. :) Oct 12 17:08:50 probably. he's the one who told me about it and posted the first results. Oct 12 17:09:17 Did the example .bb file from koen I posted useful? Oct 12 17:09:43 I think he pointed me in the same direction Oct 12 17:09:45 Did you notice the glibc .ipk on the first link? I'm not game though to install it! Oct 12 17:10:11 I looked at it, tried munging the stuff into the slugos config, failed, looked some more, became confused :-P Oct 12 17:10:39 joshin: Add to that list that I'm ADD and just gave up smoking two days ago. Oct 12 17:10:51 A goldfish out-focuses me anytime. Oct 12 17:11:26 hahaha. been there done that. Oct 12 17:11:28 Oh yeah, I work at home with 2 kids under the age of 5. Even if I could focus, they interrupt. :) Oct 12 17:11:41 hehe Oct 12 17:12:35 I've got a couple dozen "small" projects that I want to get done Oct 12 17:12:44 stuff like adding a LCD to the n2100 Oct 12 17:13:17 I've got the LCD, I've got a pl2303 and everything I need. Except a hole in the case :-\ Oct 12 17:14:15 NAiL: the nslu2/slugos stuff needs an overhaul anyway Oct 12 17:14:32 koen: that isn't exactly a small task Oct 12 17:14:35 right Oct 12 17:15:24 what should be done in the overhaul? :) Oct 12 17:16:35 try building slugos for a !nslu2 or !slugos for nslu2 Oct 12 17:16:51 ah Oct 12 17:18:04 I'm not saying slugos should support other machines, but it would be nicer to have some seperation Oct 12 17:19:41 * VoodooZ runs away scared and screaming.... Oct 12 17:19:47 haha Oct 12 17:20:07 * VoodooZ puts his hands on his ears Oct 12 17:24:33 I'm still trying to get that pocketsphinx working. Oct 12 17:25:45 I got the two package in place but I have to figure out the whole staging thing... Oct 12 17:25:50 [g2]!!! Oct 12 17:26:19 <[g2]> VoodooZ hey! Oct 12 17:26:34 How's the man doing? Oct 12 17:26:47 Long time no see. I just recently started hanging around here again. Oct 12 17:26:57 I just missed the whole team spirit thing. Oct 12 17:28:32 [g2], how's the Loft stuff doing? Oct 12 17:55:58 <[g2]> VoodooZ sorry :( I was on the phone for a bit Oct 12 17:56:23 <[g2]> VoodooZ hardware wise the Loft has been great Oct 12 17:56:33 [g2], no prob. I'm at work too so... Oct 12 17:56:40 <[g2]> sales wise, I've still got a bunch to learn :) Oct 12 17:57:05 <[g2]> I've been doing some services related to the platform Oct 12 17:57:11 [g2], I would highly recommend remodeling the web page to give you better exposure. Oct 12 17:57:22 Personally I love to have lot of specs and pixs. Oct 12 17:57:48 If the page is denude of details people might not trust it. Oct 12 17:57:54 nice. Oct 12 17:58:11 When is the 733mhz+ version coming? :) Oct 12 17:58:24 I'll definitely need more power for my next robot. Oct 12 17:58:42 Probably a PC for speech recognition/vision. or a few ARMs in parallel. Oct 12 17:58:50 <[g2]> I think for non-wireless apps or power/space contrainerd apps the platform is dead Oct 12 17:59:28 you mean the Loft specifically or IXP in general? Oct 12 17:59:42 <[g2]> probably both Oct 12 17:59:47 i see. Oct 12 18:00:09 <[g2]> time (and technology) stand still for no man Oct 12 18:00:18 damn right! Oct 12 18:00:36 <[g2]> clearly I think in the wireless space the platform has legs for a couple years Oct 12 18:00:52 yeah Oct 12 18:01:15 <[g2]> but other than that it's harder to imagine something that can't do something similar Oct 12 18:01:19 design a loft with one of them dual core IOPs Oct 12 18:01:21 :) Oct 12 18:01:29 <[g2]> hey koen Oct 12 18:01:37 <[g2]> the IOP are really slow Oct 12 18:01:49 <[g2]> on a price peformance basis Oct 12 18:02:15 or with a ixp2800 Oct 12 18:02:23 <[g2]> too expensive :) Oct 12 18:02:29 I would love a SMP chip with 2x 512kB cache Oct 12 18:02:32 <[g2]> it's not the '90s anymore :) Oct 12 18:02:54 you might have noticed lennert gave me a tour of his old workspace :) Oct 12 18:03:01 <[g2]> well I think we are at the point that you can emulate faster than the Loft Oct 12 18:03:09 <[g2]> cool Oct 12 18:03:17 <[g2]> lennert has some fun toys :) Oct 12 18:03:42 for vision stuff I would think fast mem access and lots of cache is key right? Oct 12 18:03:55 <[g2]> VoodooZ I've got a killer vision thing for you :) Oct 12 18:04:04 really? Oct 12 18:04:17 <[g2]> Oh MAN I think it'll rock your world :) Oct 12 18:04:23 hehehe Oct 12 18:04:32 <[g2]> are you sitting down ? Oct 12 18:04:33 * VoodooZ is waiting for the punchline.... Oct 12 18:04:50 yep. go ahead. I have to leave soon... Oct 12 18:04:56 <[g2]> got clean pants ? Oct 12 18:05:03 no. perfect. Oct 12 18:05:27 <[g2]> http://www.neurosaudio.com/osd/osd.asp Oct 12 18:05:53 <[g2]> pretty low power, arm926 + TI DSP Oct 12 18:06:05 looks good but I'll have to read it in a few minutes as I have to attend a quick meeting. Oct 12 18:06:07 <[g2]> handles ntsc/pal 720x480 Oct 12 18:06:12 brb. thanks give me more specs... Oct 12 18:06:37 <[g2]> it's a really open platform except for the TI stuff Oct 12 18:07:03 ibm has some nice ppc chips with hw mpeg2 as well Oct 12 18:07:48 <[g2]> koen any links ? Oct 12 18:08:25 there was a story on linuxdevices a while back Oct 12 18:09:51 [g2]: http://www-03.ibm.com/chips/products/digitalvideo/products/ppc.html Oct 12 18:21:04 I'm back. Oct 12 18:22:26 <[g2]> VoodooZ wb Oct 12 18:22:53 <[g2]> VoodooZ so this box does video recording and playback Oct 12 18:23:17 <[g2]> there's 64MB onboard and 16MB flash, plus CF/SD/USB 1.1/Ethernet Oct 12 18:23:45 <[g2]> I'd think you could grab video frames then sick the DSP on them Oct 12 18:24:14 <[g2]> the DSP platform is open yet, but I'll be something to watch Oct 12 18:24:42 they are changing it to dspfs in the omap tree to make it more generic Oct 12 18:24:57 I hope philips opens up their 'sea of dsp' stuff Oct 12 18:25:11 <[g2]> TI is changing it or l-a-k ? Oct 12 18:25:13 'sea of dsp' = beowulf style clusters for dsps Oct 12 18:25:21 linux-omap Oct 12 18:25:39 <[g2]> that's TI's site right ? Oct 12 18:25:57 dunno Oct 12 18:26:08 it's the canonical source for omap stuff Oct 12 18:26:14 yeah but I would definitely need usb2 for the camera. Oct 12 18:26:38 well, I guess I could make my own camera stuff but that becomes complicated pretty quick. Oct 12 18:26:50 <[g2]> sissy :) Oct 12 18:26:51 But it looks nice. Oct 12 18:26:54 hehehe Oct 12 18:26:57 damn right. Oct 12 18:27:06 <[g2]> afraid of a little hw ? Oct 12 18:27:26 yeah, I'm mediocre at s/w & h/w! :) Oct 12 18:28:20 the fact that slugos is getting more and more mature is another reason I would hate to leave it. Oct 12 18:29:41 But then again, I could simply interface a cheapy portable to the slug for my next project... Oct 12 18:39:30 I'll log back from home.... **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Oct 13 02:59:57 2006