**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Nov 27 02:59:57 2006 Nov 27 13:31:54 hi to all Nov 27 13:32:10 i suppose it's a many-time-done question Nov 27 13:32:29 but i really need to rebuild openslug Nov 27 13:32:41 against 2.19 kernel and modules Nov 27 13:33:02 can someone give me some advices on how to do it ? :) Nov 27 13:34:06 <[g2]> hooney are you running BE or LE ? Nov 27 13:34:35 what do u mean with BE/LE ? Nov 27 13:34:41 sorry :) Nov 27 13:34:51 <[g2]> Endianness Nov 27 13:35:09 actually i am using openslug 3.10 standard Nov 27 13:35:32 <[g2]> from the download ? Nov 27 13:35:36 tyes Nov 27 13:35:39 yes Nov 27 13:36:09 <[g2]> I'm guessing the 4.x isn't super far away Nov 27 13:36:46 <[g2]> NAiL any guess on the 4.x arrival ? Nov 27 13:46:17 i imagine Nov 27 13:46:36 there is a way to bulid a custom kernel...isn't there ? Nov 27 13:47:50 [g2]: I'd love to give an ETA, but I'm currently off hacking stuff. Need to catch up with RL for a bit. Nov 27 13:48:32 :( Nov 27 13:49:15 <[g2]> oh... RealLife Nov 27 13:49:24 yeah Nov 27 13:49:53 <[g2]> hooney so how bad do you want the .19 kernel ? Nov 27 13:50:09 * [g2] wishes NAiL the best in RL and cyberworld Nov 27 13:50:26 i need it because i use the slug as hw on a embedded system Nov 27 13:50:39 this system work with bluetooth adapters Nov 27 13:50:58 anche i found .19 has several new feature i absolutely need Nov 27 13:53:12 <[g2]> hooney that's the "why", I was asking how much effort you are willing to go to get it. Nov 27 13:53:39 i am ready to do everything :) Nov 27 13:54:36 <[g2]> Ok, got a x86 machine with a big HD and decent network connection ? Nov 27 13:55:12 <[g2]> you'll need about 5G of space and probably need to be running Linux Nov 27 13:55:27 ok Nov 27 13:55:29 i got it Nov 27 13:55:38 <[g2]> if you build openslug, updating to .19 kernel is pretty easy Nov 27 13:55:56 how ? Nov 27 13:56:33 <[g2]> well once, openslug is build, all the tools are in place and it's pretty trivial to build the kernel from the nslu2-linux kernel repo Nov 27 13:57:14 <[g2]> it's really as simple as setting your path, pulling svn, tweaking the defconfig and Making Nov 27 13:57:32 so i can start with mastermakefile ? Nov 27 13:57:53 <[g2]> get the master makefile and make setup-openslug Nov 27 13:58:55 <[g2]> http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Development/MasterMakefile Nov 27 13:59:43 ok Nov 27 14:08:19 [g2]: AFAIK, building OpenSlug does not depend on having x86 computer in any way Nov 27 14:08:47 <[g2]> pahartik no it doesn't, but it's just build on x86 99.99999% of the time Nov 27 14:09:59 <[g2]> pahartik do you build openslug ? Nov 27 14:10:36 <[g2]> and do you build it on x86 ? Nov 27 14:11:01 [g2]: I have built it once, on PowerPC... Nov 27 14:11:23 <[g2]> cool. Nov 27 14:11:30 <[g2]> but that's hardly mainstream Nov 27 14:12:35 [g2]: however I did not try using binaries it created... I should try it again, since I want kernel with custom configuration... Nov 27 14:13:04 <[g2]> ~[g2] Nov 27 14:13:15 somebody said [g2] was really cool, and an an all around nice guy! Also he is a real funny guy, the master of NSLU2 Buildroot and a known Slug Sacrificer. And editor of SlugNews. Nov 27 14:15:39 * NAiL points out that it's been a while since the last issue of SlugNews ;) Nov 27 14:16:03 [g2]: I am hardly mainstream... I do not have any wintel workstations or servers Nov 27 14:16:07 <[g2]> NAiL only 2.25 years :) Nov 27 14:16:46 <[g2]> pahartik then you are in good company being non-mainstream. Nov 27 14:16:55 <[g2]> ~hail openslugger's Nov 27 14:17:03 * apt bows down to openslugger's and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" Nov 27 14:19:32 [g2]: Linksys NSLU2 is my first ARM device... Nokia 770 will be next, in about 20 days I hope Nov 27 14:19:59 <[g2]> pahartik did you buy the 770 yet ? Nov 27 14:22:38 [g2]: no, but I have been drooling after it for ~18 moons Nov 27 14:23:21 <[g2]> pahartik I'd check out openmoko Nov 27 14:24:51 [g2]: define "openmoko"? Nov 27 14:25:09 <[g2]> http://www.openmoko.com Nov 27 14:28:26 [g2]: this "OpenMoko" is competitor of "Maemo" platform (as used in Nokia 770)? Nov 27 14:28:59 <[g2]> pahartik is for a new FIC phone Nov 27 14:29:18 <[g2]> it's got a 640x480 screen Nov 27 14:29:26 <[g2]> and is fully open source Nov 27 14:29:32 <[g2]> ok 99.999% Nov 27 14:31:49 * NAiL wants an OpenMoko phone Nov 27 14:31:57 a / an ? Nov 27 14:32:18 [g2]: looks nice... that "Preliminary Specification" at "http://www.openmoko.com/press/index.html" Nov 27 14:33:13 [g2]: ...as open source choice for mobile telephone Nov 27 14:33:24 I'd *love* to get my hands on that Nov 27 14:33:39 especially if there are hooks that make it possible to run eg. sms through a script Nov 27 14:34:03 and do stuff like automatically forward calls from callers with no CID Nov 27 14:34:42 <[g2]> NAiL mickey is doing alot of the firmware, it'll all be built with OE Nov 27 14:34:42 [g2]: however, there is one big flaw on hardware specification Nov 27 14:34:51 [g2]: yeah, I know Nov 27 14:34:57 <[g2]> pahartik wants wifi Nov 27 14:36:43 [g2]: I do not not care about 802.11... but... no portable device should come without built-in Bluetooth nowadays Nov 27 14:37:13 <[g2]> pahartik it's gonna have BT Nov 27 14:37:29 <[g2]> I don't think they've settled on which BT Nov 27 14:37:42 <[g2]> that's my understanding Nov 27 14:37:59 [g2]: oh well, that is better then Nov 27 14:38:22 as long as it's BT, I'm happy Nov 27 14:40:03 <[g2]> pahartik just heads up Nov 27 14:40:07 [g2]: about only device I can understand to have no Bluetooth is something extremely simple such as iPod shuffle... without display, there is no real way to control what gets sent or received Nov 27 14:42:20 <[g2]> really any iPod doesn't need BT. As an option, one can always connect an adapter to the bottom and do BT over serial Nov 27 14:42:56 <[g2]> with 25M+ ipods shipped adding the cost of BT to everyone for 0.0001% usage isn't worth it IMHO Nov 27 14:47:37 [g2]: iPod is storage device and audio player... it would make sense to have easy file transfer capabilities with other Bluetooth OBEX devices (PDAs, telephones, computers, other iPods) nearby... not only audio output without wires Nov 27 14:50:01 <[g2]> pahartik just plug in via USB Nov 27 14:50:41 * [g2] just types "cp *.vcd /media/ipod/contacts" Nov 27 14:52:51 [g2]: that leads to another thing which made iPod less attractive to me... first they added USB... and then removed IEEE-1394... damn that crap! Nov 27 14:53:09 Ok, who blew up the kernel for Thanksgiving? I go to install a new build on my slug and someone overfed the kernel. Am I going to need to get it bigger pants (apex) or is this a bug? Nov 27 14:53:55 joshin: how recent is your kernel? Nov 27 14:54:08 IIRC, rwhitby committed a newer svn rev today Nov 27 14:54:21 6 weeks or so. Nov 27 14:54:37 The one I built was from yesterday. Nov 27 14:54:43 * joshin goes to power up his build system Nov 27 14:57:53 can someone tell me witch version of monotone i ve to use now with mastermakefile ? Nov 27 15:00:05 I'm using 0.29 Nov 27 15:00:07 [g2]: back towards that "OpenMoko" and "Nokia 770"... I am not thinking of "Nokia 770" as replacement for my good old Bluetooth GPRS telephone, but for my old PalmOS PDA Nov 27 15:01:57 joshin: 0.29 will work just fine Nov 27 15:02:23 As for my kernels, v579 is 1187548 & v589 is 1187520 Nov 27 15:02:37 NAiL: I know. Was just answering hooney's question. :) Nov 27 15:02:52 ah, /me didn't read it all Nov 27 15:03:46 [g2]: when replacing telephone (not that I can afford to, right away), I am interested in models with WCDMA, Bluetooth 2.0, DVB-H and... hmmm, probably some other feature I cannot recall right now Nov 27 15:04:57 phone... with DVB-H? Nov 27 15:05:30 aha Nov 27 15:05:39 dvb-t for handheld Nov 27 15:06:22 [g2]: open source OS would be nice for that too, but if nothing of that sort shows up... Nov 27 15:07:34 * [g2] runs linux on nearly everything Nov 27 15:08:16 <[g2]> I play around on OS X as a user, but my Intel Mac Mini now default boots to Edgy Nov 27 15:08:16 NAiL: DVB-H is based on DVB-T, with additions to support less stationary use and battery powered devices Nov 27 15:10:48 pahartik: yeah, googled ;) Nov 27 15:14:51 NAiL: I love DVB :) Nov 27 15:54:15 Hmmm, the current kernel is still too big for the flash partition... Nov 27 15:54:34 v591 Nov 27 19:27:00 joshin: you need apex to run the slugos kernel now - that need will be even greater once we take all the command line hacking stuff out of the kernel and require running a bootloader that gives ATAGs correctly. Nov 27 19:27:00 oops. It seems today's HEAD is broken. Nov 27 19:27:16 Configuring update-rc.d Nov 27 19:27:16 Collected errors: Nov 27 19:27:16 ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for base-passwd: libgcc1 (>= 4.1.1) Nov 27 19:27:30 and lots more... Just FYI. Nov 27 19:28:22 sounds like an OE breakage. Nov 27 19:28:31 head built for me about 12 hours ago Nov 27 19:29:03 rwhitby: I figured as much. Is there a dummy's (read as no JTAG access) guide to apex? Nov 27 19:29:03 I'll try tommorow. It's not like I'm going to flash it anywyas. just amusing myself... Nov 27 19:29:32 * VoodooZ could use that too now that he managed to alienate his setup even further... Nov 27 19:29:51 joshin: we run apex as second stage bootloader - no danger at all Nov 27 19:30:04 the 8MB image file that slugos builds for the NSLU2 includes everything required. Nov 27 19:30:20 VoodooZ: I just saw the same errors on my angstrom build Nov 27 19:30:24 How should I flash it then? "reflash" was complaining. Nov 27 19:30:26 bbiab Nov 27 19:31:54 joshin: it will require an upslug2 or sercomm flash - you will loose all flash contents Nov 27 19:32:09 Ok, am going to flash it now... Nov 27 19:32:12 I would not suggest it at this point unless you *really* want to be running SlugOS 4 Nov 27 19:32:36 (i.e. it's not fully stable yet, and we don't know if there are any bugs in the new ixp driver) Nov 27 19:32:58 if you want a stable platform, use the openslug-3.10-beta target Nov 27 19:33:40 Pfft, stability is for the weak. :) Nov 27 19:34:29 Actually, I'm upgrading my 4.0beta build because I noticed some oddness with the ixp driver talking with my wireless devices. Nov 27 19:34:33 excellent attitude :-) Nov 27 19:35:13 Seems that the ixp slugs are not able to communicate reliably with my wireless notebook. All my other wired machines are just fine. Nov 27 19:36:18 * joshin wonders what IP address my newly flashed slug will pick up. Nov 27 19:37:14 joshin: if you've done sysconf preserve, it should use all that info Nov 27 19:37:43 I thought you said that I'd lose all the flash contents.... It is up and alive! Nov 27 19:38:02 bbl Nov 27 19:38:32 Happy slug: Linux slug2 2.6.19 #1 PREEMPT Mon Nov 27 09:00:47 MST 2006 armv5teb unknown Nov 27 19:39:23 Now to rebuild the disk image and see if I still have connection problems... Nov 27 19:42:37 joshin: I was just giving you a worst case scenario ;-) Nov 27 19:43:02 yeah, it preserves sysconf, and that's often enough to get everything back as it was after a rootfs reflash Nov 27 21:08:54 rwhitby: you running angstrom on the slug already? Nov 27 21:09:12 nope - haven't got a successful build yet Nov 27 21:09:43 but you have a skeleton already. cool. Nov 27 21:10:05 btw, did you see my alias beside my last comments?? Nov 27 21:10:23 it shows as blank (or white/white) on my term... odd Nov 27 21:11:41 ah! I think it's FC6's installation that resetted my terms Nov 28 00:34:36 <[g2]> pahartik http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/news/comments/nike-amp-bracelet-remote-for-ipod-revealed/9047 Nov 28 00:44:01 [g2]: interesting, sort of... if technical specs are good enough... I assume that is really new product Nov 28 00:52:12 <[g2]> pahartik today Nov 28 00:52:38 <[g2]> it's funny we were talking about something similar Nov 28 00:59:56 [g2]: yes, sort of... Nov 28 01:00:20 <[g2]> http://www.linutop.com/index.htm looks interesting Nov 28 01:04:15 [g2]: yes, my friend is working for them... but unfortunately... they have chosen to use wintel architecture **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Nov 28 02:59:59 2006