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Mar 17 04:10:16 <rwhitby> tonymy01: any reason why I shouldn't get a ST3500630AV drive?
Mar 17 04:12:52 <peteru_> rwhitby: I have found that some A/V drives are not compatible with the TF5k. In particular, a few Hitachi drives in the 120-400GB range did not work for me.
Mar 17 04:13:15 <rwhitby> I just saw this too: http://www.topfield.com.au/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?p=95132&sid=bb9e180ed62f788b9e2e8d5fe92d1ec5#95132
Mar 17 04:13:42 <peteru_> I've always had good luck with Seagate drives, but have not tested their A/V range extensivelly.
Mar 17 04:15:06 <rwhitby> this guys says it works: http://www.topfield-australia.com.au/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?p=125247#125247
Mar 17 04:17:26 <rwhitby> "Capable of operating under drive case temperatures of up to 75˚C" :-)
Mar 17 04:17:38 <peteru_> Why not go the whole hog and whack in a WD 1TB drive? They can be had for about $290 and are very quiet and cool.
Mar 17 04:18:05 <rwhitby> does 1TB work on the toppy?
Mar 17 04:18:37 <peteru_> Don't know. But as I found out, it won't with the BWiz.
Mar 17 04:19:23 <peteru_> The latest beta has something in the release notes about fixing issues with 320GB drives, which seems strange.
Mar 17 04:19:50 <peteru_> Anyway, if the 1TB drive won't work in the Toppy, you can always find a PC that would benefit :-)
Mar 17 04:25:14 <rwhitby> http://www.seagate.com/docs/pdf/datasheet/disc/ds_sv35_7200_2.pdf vs http://www.wdc.com/en/library/ce/2879-701220.pdf
Mar 17 07:40:25 <rwhitby> Hmm - my 320GB WD drive is not even recognised by the Topfield
Mar 17 07:40:35 <rwhitby> (WD3200JB)
Mar 17 07:44:13 <rwhitby> Format hard disk option is greyed out :-(
Mar 17 07:44:37 <peteru_> Set to master?
Mar 17 07:44:44 <peteru_> Using 80 conductor cable?
Mar 17 09:17:32 <rwhitby> peteru_: yep, yep
Mar 17 09:17:48 <rwhitby> using the cable that came with the topfield.
Mar 17 09:18:11 <rwhitby> I've got a feeling that the power supply has degraded to the point where it can only drive the 80GB seagate disk I've got in there now.
Mar 17 09:18:54 <rwhitby> so it looks like the migration of the family to the beyonwiz might need to be accellerated, or a new black topfield bought on ebay ...
Mar 17 09:19:26 <tonymy01> it is about $3 worth of components to fix the psu
Mar 17 09:20:13 <rwhitby> tonymy01: the weird thing is that the 80gb drive is working
Mar 17 09:20:20 <rwhitby> a busted psu is usually fully busted
Mar 17 09:20:28 <tonymy01> yeah, but the PSU is not
Mar 17 09:20:43 <tonymy01> this is not the symptoms, i have described this thousands of times on the forum
Mar 17 09:20:43 <rwhitby> the 80gb drive is working in the topfield with that psu
Mar 17 09:20:58 <tonymy01> the +5V starts dropping, which causes the +12V to rise to over +14V
Mar 17 09:21:23 <tonymy01> Modern drives go "ouch, I am not going to power up with +14V"
Mar 17 09:21:54 <tonymy01> all because the capacitors to maintain the 5V start to deteriorate and the switch mode PSU maxes out the duty cycle trying to maintain 5V.
Mar 17 09:21:55 <rwhitby> ok, is there a definitive post I should look at?
Mar 17 09:22:05 <tonymy01> thattl do
Mar 17 09:23:15 <tonymy01> 16V 1000uF caps in the 5V supply: C22 and C23 need replacing
Mar 17 09:23:27 <rwhitby> black panthers going for just over $200 ...
Mar 17 09:23:39 <tonymy01> and you may as well do the 12V supply (same value): C17 and C18
Mar 17 09:23:39 <rwhitby> ok, I'll give the psu fix a shot on the weekend
Mar 17 09:24:00 <tonymy01> Jaycar sell the low ESR caps, this is mandatory to get these
Mar 17 09:24:18 <tonymy01> so what was the symptoms of your Toppy going
Mar 17 09:30:15 <rwhitby> with the 200gb WD drive, it just stopped one day and didn't see the disk after that.  power on, disk spins up, disk clicks, disk spins down and doesn't spin up again.
Mar 17 09:30:25 <tonymy01> yep, PSU
Mar 17 09:30:34 <rwhitby> with the 320GB disk today, the disk spins up fine and stays spinning, but the topfield doesn't see it
Mar 17 09:30:40 <rwhitby> with the 80GB disk, no problems.
Mar 17 09:30:50 <rwhitby> with a 150GB deathstar, it works, but gets major pixellation
Mar 17 09:37:37 <rwhitby> tonymy01: 1000uF ?
Mar 17 09:37:43 <tonymy01> yep
Mar 17 09:37:54 <rwhitby> can only see 470uF max at Jaycar online
Mar 17 09:37:58 <rwhitby> http://www.jaycar.com.au/productResults.asp?whichpage=19&pagesize=10&keywords=capacitor&CATID=&SUBCATID=&form=KEYWORD&ProdCodeOnly=&SPECIAL=&Keyword1=&Keyword2=&pageNumber=&priceMin=&priceMax=
Mar 17 09:38:27 <rwhitby> ah, sorry, now I see them
Mar 17 09:38:43 <rwhitby> this one: http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=RE6328&CATID=&keywords=capacitor&SPECIAL=&form=KEYWORD&ProdCodeOnly=&Keyword1=&Keyword2=&pageNumber=&priceMin=&priceMax=&SUBCATID= ?
Mar 17 09:39:11 <tonymy01> yep
Mar 17 09:40:52 <rwhitby> ah, found this page: http://members.optushome.com.au/toppytools/pwrcircuit.html
Mar 17 09:41:03 <tonymy01> yep, that is Daves
Mar 17 09:41:12 <tonymy01> dave works for Topfield as a technician too
Mar 17 09:42:12 <rwhitby> would a 2200uF be better?
Mar 17 09:42:18 <rwhitby> or too big?
Mar 17 09:43:32 <tonymy01> i am not sure the inductors or the transformer would cope with the extra inrush current
Mar 17 09:43:44 <tonymy01> i would have gone 1200 if they had them.. but they don't.
Mar 17 09:44:17 <rwhitby> 1000uF it is then
Mar 17 09:49:53 <rwhitby> Tftool seems to be finding .rec files on my WD250 drive too ...
Mar 17 09:50:36 <tonymy01> yep, your drive was just shutting down because the +12V line was way too high
Mar 17 09:51:34 <rwhitby> it got wiped cause I tried to reformat it in windows and stuff
Mar 17 09:51:49 <rwhitby> (assuming the drive had died from too much heat for too long)
Mar 17 09:51:58 <tonymy01> oh... but was it ok in windows then?
Mar 17 09:52:27 <rwhitby> I couldn't read it in a usb enclosure, but plugged directly into IDE it seems to able to be read by tftool
Mar 18 02:30:44 <rwhitby> ok, got my caps from Jaycar, and a WD5000AAKB disk.
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