**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue May 20 02:59:56 2008 May 20 07:15:03 That's the Marvell based box, right? May 20 07:15:54 Just saw the 128MB version in action at CeBit earlier today. I talked to quite a few NAS vendors and they are now all very keen to have third party involvement. May 20 07:27:45 peteru: yeah, both are marvell boxes (they sent me ts209proII and ts409pro) May 20 07:27:56 and both marvell chip databooks are now public May 20 07:28:26 http://www.marvell.com/products/media/index.jsp May 20 07:28:43 (yes, these are the full register-level 400 page databooks) May 20 07:28:52 (they were released overnight) May 20 07:34:21 Sweet. I'd be very interested in something like the ts409 in terms of performance. The slug sucks. It really is as slow as a slug. I've also had it corrupt ext3 filesystems, drop SAMBA connections and the nfs support isn't workable. So, I'm ready to move to something beefier than the slug for NAS. May 20 07:36:01 I was thinking of reusing the slug as a network attached music player (with an S/PDIF dongle directly feeding my amp) controlled from a browser. Being all solid state would be just the trick for music playback. May 20 10:20:40 rwhitby: I'm having trouble with SVN access to OpenWiz. I keep getting "SSL negotiation failed: SSL error: GnuTLS internal error. (https://svn.openwiz.org)" May 20 10:20:58 Has anything changed / is SVN over https working for you? May 20 11:29:03 * peteru wonders whether his DP-P1 was bricked because the embedded rootfs grew by 16960 bytes. May 20 11:29:41 Even though the only change was to add a single line to rc.sysinit May 20 11:30:16 peteru: the host ssh key would have changed May 20 11:34:05 Does that mean I need a new ca.openwiz.org.crt ? May 20 11:34:37 Actually, I should not, since this is https: not ssh: May 20 11:35:19 Hmm, you're right. May 20 11:35:24 Yeah, ssh warns about the host keys, but works. May 20 11:36:21 peteru: svn up on wizfx https just worked for me May 20 11:36:23 I can connect using https from FireFox, but not from svn - I'll recompile subversion, gnutls, apr and neon, just in case and will try again. May 20 11:38:16 woah, 17Kbytes May 20 11:38:26 did you unpack and pack with the default options? May 20 11:38:35 rwhitby: Have you had much experience creating debian packages? Any decent documentation you'd recommend? May 20 11:38:36 this is my pack line: pack_wrp.pl -s_tweaked235P1 DPP1_FirmwareTweaked01.05.235.wrp flashP1 rootP1 May 20 11:39:11 and unpack: unpack_wrp.pl DPS1_Firmware_08May2008_ver_01.05.235.wrp 235s1flash 235s1root (for S1 this time) May 20 11:39:17 tonymy01: I followed prl's instructions as posted on the beta forums. Pretty much line for line, to verify that they are going to work for other people. May 20 11:40:29 His doco talks about the replacement FS having to fit within the last 4kB page, which it would obviously not do if the FS grew by 16+kB May 20 11:40:55 it gives a warning about how many bytes free it has? May 20 11:41:37 The only thing that comes to mind is that the filesystem compression may have been "stuffed" by the change in entropy due to the edit. May 20 11:42:04 yeah, every time I made a subtle change, the compression varied wildly May 20 11:42:39 I'm unlikely to have a chance to actually test a new version of the firmware today, but maybe tomorrow... May 20 11:43:02 glad you recovered, even if it was 5am lol May 20 11:43:06 I'm not all that keen on having to debrick again. May 20 11:43:30 peteru: I've only modified an existing debian package May 20 11:45:19 rwhitby: I need to create a couple from scratch, with a whole bunch of deps. It took me a few days to create the right RPMs, so that they can deploy on Suse, Fedore and other RPM based distros. May 20 11:46:48 Now I need to add support for Ubuntu and friends and am finding that reading Ubuntu documentation is like sifting through a pile of garbage. May 20 11:47:00 hehe May 20 11:47:12 how the heck do you add packages in ubuntu? May 20 11:47:27 i know aobut apt-get May 20 11:47:47 but as far as I can tell, this doesn't let me view what is avail like ipkg does for the slug. May 20 11:48:13 so i spend a lot of time googling for packages May 20 11:48:25 Yeah, I need to figure it out. I think you download a package file and do something like ipkg install blah.pkg May 20 11:48:54 apt-get works, but you need to know the exact package name, it does the wget etc May 20 11:49:03 It's all a bit ugly after using Gentoo. May 20 11:50:07 it *sometimes* gives hints, if you type something that doesn't exist, it provides a "you will need to apt-get blahblah for that" May 20 11:50:16 In Gentoo, everything is built from source and you get to choose which features to add or leave out. Dependencies are automagic and adding new packages is trivial. May 20 11:50:19 apt-cache search foo* May 20 11:51:28 i just want a list of everything :-) ok, * should do it. Thanks rod! May 20 11:52:37 actually apt-cache pkgnames does a reasonable job too, not as nice as ipkg, but... May 20 11:56:21 prls instructions look fine to me. I don't like the windows version with the directory renaming, but running it in ubuntu was fine. Peter, did you install the compression perl modules as per the perl script readmes? I seem to remember reading that it would use the os gzip if it couldn't find the perl compression module somewhere, and this may explain your quirk. May 20 11:58:04 lemme check May 20 11:59:29 Uses packages "Getopt::Long", "IO::Compress::Gzip", May 20 11:59:30 "IO::Uncompress::Gunzip" and "POSIX". May 20 11:59:30 May 20 11:59:30 Uses "bw_rootfs". May 20 11:59:30 May 20 11:59:30 Uses Eric Fry's wizfwtools programs "wiz_pack" and "wiz_genromfs". May 20 11:59:32 May 20 11:59:34 Tries GNU "gzip", "IO::Compress::Gzip" to compress the kernel image May 20 11:59:36 unless one of --perlgzip or --gzip is used. May 20 12:00:48 Never noticed that part. May 20 12:01:12 I guess that could explain. If the BW firmware uses 8 and gzip defaulted to 6 May 20 12:01:15 hmm, although it seems to suggest it uses GNU gzip before using Perl gzip May 20 12:02:13 Yeah, but it's the blocks size that will have the biggest impact and going from 6 to 8 is blocks that are 4 times as big. May 20 12:03:22 i never changed the default, and added 3 lines to rc.sysinit plus a 20 or so line script to the rootfs. There was 160bytes free for the S1, and quite a bit more for the P1 (in the pack output). May 20 12:03:26 I have both gzip and perl ::Gzip May 20 12:04:09 Hmm, I'll have to have a look as soon as I resolve this svn issue... May 20 12:04:32 i haven't compared the filesystem size difference actually, may be worth having a look at brb. May 20 12:09:45 stock wrp: 8026112, tweaked wrp:8037376. StockFS linux.bin.gz:3002365 hack linux.bin.gz:3014134 May 20 12:09:51 (S1) May 20 12:10:03 so similar increase to what you said you experienced May 20 12:10:49 but given I only have 190bytes free according to the packer.... it is cutting it damn fine, so if you were 16k over vs my 14k over, it may explain things May 20 12:11:29 12k i mean May 20 12:20:34 Yeah, I guess those tools are not really safe to use without intimate knowledge of how the firmware is put together. May 20 12:22:39 If normal users are ever going to make tweaked firmware, they'll need a single program that does "bwtweak --enable_telnet --enable_ext_drive --in orig.wrp --out tweaked.wrp" May 20 12:22:42 I thought the perl script had a fail safe where if it went over, it didn't end up building the wrp May 20 12:23:33 Either that, or one person does the tweaks and then just publishes bin.patch files that are to be applied to original firmware images. May 20 12:23:48 yep, hence why i haven't bothered to document the usb stuff at this stage, as it means providing the wrp binaries too May 20 12:24:17 i am not comfortable advertising binaries really... May 20 12:24:32 as i am sure openwiz is not about having modified binaries avail May 20 12:24:52 tonymy01: that's why we have beyonwizsoftware.net in Finland to take the heat ... May 20 12:25:13 shame we can't get prl over here into irc May 20 12:25:20 he has been doing quite a lot May 20 12:25:41 his script is quite good, it displays stuff on the vfd as it is loading May 20 12:26:50 providing a basic loading mechanism using usb is what i have done, but it can very easily be made a whole lot better by simply putting a "S99copynewrc.local" script into the usb. May 20 12:31:42 time to start watching some of these recordings on my wiz :-). Btw, I must have got another corrupted stat file in the last day or so, as I found a "fixeddudrecording.tvwiz" file in the bottom of my recording tree (that the recfixer script creates when it does a repair) today, didn't even know I had an issue actually! I haven't tried watching all the stuff I have recorded the last few days. Will have to dig the log off the USB May 20 12:49:28 openwiz: efry * r1 wizmac/ (52 files in 10 dirs): Initial import May 20 12:49:51 cool, he released it May 20 12:50:05 :) May 20 12:50:20 nice getting the cia update here too. May 20 12:50:20 It's not vaporware anymore May 20 12:50:28 now it's bugware May 20 12:50:30 ;) May 20 12:50:48 how does the hardest bit go, the estimated time and download speed bargraph? May 20 12:51:07 i bet that was the bit that took almost the most coding effort lol... May 20 12:51:08 done May 20 12:51:42 Yuv422: guess it all worked then :-) May 20 12:52:00 rwhitby: looks like it. :) May 20 12:52:01 * rwhitby create repo and trac and cia reporting in the background May 20 12:53:29 i might have to try a mac again one day.... i loved them when we had them at work, when 80386s were in pcs and had crappy win3.1 May 20 12:54:01 but then the pc development jumped ahead in leaps and bounds and our macs got very outdated very quickly May 20 12:54:26 i had an lcIII for years, then finally got a G4 with crappy OS8 or 9. May 20 12:54:42 but by then i had a win laptop, and the mac was never switched on... May 20 12:54:47 yeah I wouldn't touch os 9 May 20 12:55:06 * rwhitby has considered moving to a Mac laptop, but never got around to trying it. May 20 12:55:26 get one of those things that you can snap in half by breathing on it May 20 12:55:36 hehe May 20 12:55:40 they look very nice :-) May 20 12:55:47 or over heat by turning it on! ;) May 20 12:55:59 i am not sure how practical, but they certainly have the looks May 20 12:56:11 I need a new mac May 20 12:56:21 everything is going intel now May 20 12:56:29 ahh, you still have a powerpc May 20 12:56:35 I'm stuck in the ppc world May 20 12:56:38 yeah May 20 12:56:56 I'm off now May 20 12:57:05 thank for that wizfx May 20 12:57:15 hopefully there will be some happy campers on the wiz forum May 20 12:57:20 hehe May 20 12:57:32 i don't see any posts there May 20 12:57:38 I've got one guy trying it on 10.4 but it's crashing May 20 12:57:43 oh... May 20 12:57:52 so it might not be ready for prime time just yet May 20 12:58:01 ok, well, good luck May 20 12:58:02 cu May 20 12:58:09 I'm running 10.5 so it's a bit hard for me to debug May 20 12:58:13 cya May 20 12:58:22 rwhitby: thanks for the svn help. :) May 20 12:59:14 I sorted out my svn issue as well. May 20 12:59:47 Turns out that svn would not play with a .p12 file without a password! May 20 13:00:34 hehe that's no good May 20 13:00:46 maybe it was a policy decision. May 20 13:00:50 cya May 20 13:02:33 rwhitby: http://trac.openwiz.org/ shows "Wiz Mac" as "Wiz FX" May 20 13:04:09 peteru: fixed May 20 13:04:28 Thanks **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed May 21 02:59:56 2008