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Jun 20 11:48:43 <Yuv422> Interesting
Jun 20 11:49:00 <Yuv422> I'm sending upnp ssdp:discover messages
Jun 20 11:49:03 <Yuv422> to the wiz
Jun 20 11:49:10 <Yuv422> but it doesn't respond
Jun 20 11:49:24 <Yuv422> I only get its broadcast pings
Jun 20 11:49:36 <Yuv422> which it sends once a minute
Jun 20 11:50:20 * Yuv422 wonders if his message is correct
Jun 20 11:53:07 <Yuv422> ah that's better
Jun 20 11:53:26 <Yuv422> I was using ST:upnp:rootdevice
Jun 20 11:53:57 <Yuv422> when I should have been using
Jun 20 11:53:58 <Yuv422> ST:urn:wizpnp-upnp-org:device:pvrtvdevice:1
Jun 20 12:36:59 <tonymy01> what is that Eric?
Jun 20 12:37:32 <tonymy01> silly irc client has a bunch of smiley faces instead
Jun 21 01:15:24 <Yuv422> tonymy01:  I'm adding upnp support to WizMac at the moment
Jun 21 01:15:38 <tonymy01> is this to detect any wiz?
Jun 21 01:15:44 <Yuv422> yeah
Jun 21 01:16:02 <Yuv422> It's coming along nicely
Jun 21 01:16:20 <Yuv422> cocoa doesn't have any nice socket classes though
Jun 21 01:16:33 <tonymy01> does your wizmac support playing while downloading?
Jun 21 01:16:33 <Yuv422> some I'm doing it in BSD sockets
Jun 21 01:16:43 <Yuv422> yes
Jun 21 01:16:45 <tonymy01> "streamin"
Jun 21 01:16:47 <tonymy01> g
Jun 21 01:17:05 <Yuv422> oh no not streaming
Jun 21 01:17:09 <Yuv422> it just downloads
Jun 21 01:17:15 <Yuv422> to the HDD
Jun 21 01:17:30 <Yuv422> but you can play the files as they are being downloaded
Jun 21 01:17:41 <tonymy01> that is pretty good
Jun 21 01:17:57 <tonymy01> what is the download rate you said you were getting?
Jun 21 01:18:25 <Yuv422> about 3100KB/s
Jun 21 01:18:33 <Yuv422> with the wiz in the file player menu
Jun 21 01:18:42 <tonymy01> i moved a file from the wiz to my nas using the wiz interface last night (I haven't tried this in a long time) and it gives an estimated time, and then tells you the transfer rate!
Jun 21 01:18:49 <tonymy01> it is about 2MB/s
Jun 21 01:18:57 <tonymy01> to the slugh
Jun 21 01:19:02 <Yuv422> ah k
Jun 21 01:20:57 <Yuv422> sounds like your nas gets a bit of a work out
Jun 21 01:21:19 <Yuv422> with all the things you make it do
Jun 21 01:21:26 <tonymy01> not really, just testing really
Jun 21 01:21:31 <Yuv422> or am I thinking of your router?
Jun 21 01:21:45 <tonymy01> it is no longer my dhcp server, my router is that now
Jun 21 01:21:58 <tonymy01> (and dns server actually)
Jun 21 01:22:44 <tonymy01> but is a serial interface with microcom running, is a nas, is running perltgd to upload epg and timers to the topfield, and is my SSH gateway into my home
Jun 21 01:23:08 <Yuv422> cool
Jun 21 01:23:20 <tonymy01> oh, and is the webserver for both toppyweb and wizweb
Jun 21 01:23:23 <Yuv422> I should really spend some time setting up my TS-109
Jun 21 01:23:58 <Yuv422> I'd like to run the wizremote page on my NAS
Jun 21 01:24:15 <Yuv422> I'd like an IR blaster too
Jun 21 01:24:21 <Yuv422> so I can get it to turn on the wiz
Jun 21 01:24:30 <tonymy01> i spent a bit of time getting dnsmasq working on my asus router, to get that back off the slug
Jun 21 01:24:46 <tonymy01> yeah, an ir blaster would be a good idea
Jun 21 01:25:17 <tonymy01> wow, finally a sunny day outside here
Jun 21 01:25:18 <Yuv422> I just use the dns proxy in my router
Jun 21 01:25:29 <Yuv422> yeah I was just thinking that
Jun 21 01:25:35 * Yuv422 looks out the window
Jun 21 01:25:49 <Yuv422> I really should be doing something outside
Jun 21 01:25:52 <Yuv422> :-)
Jun 21 01:25:55 <tonymy01> my router dns is useless, it doesn't let me have static dhcp
Jun 21 01:26:10 <tonymy01> oops, mixed the two up..
Jun 21 01:26:11 <Yuv422> Ouch
Jun 21 01:26:36 <tonymy01> and once it allocates an ip to a device, the dns doesn't let you "ping beyonwiz" for example
Jun 21 01:26:49 <Yuv422> ah k
Jun 21 01:26:54 <tonymy01> so rod suggested dnsmasq as a solution, on the slug
Jun 21 01:27:24 <Yuv422> hehe I just use my static ip addresses
Jun 21 01:27:25 <tonymy01> i ran that for a while, but everytime anything reqested an ip, the HDD would spin up in it, and it is a 250G seagate that is damn noisy
Jun 21 01:27:32 <Yuv422> 192.168.1.4 for the wiz
Jun 21 01:27:40 <Yuv422> and 192.168.1.2 for my NAS
Jun 21 01:28:12 <tonymy01> also if i was mucking about with the lan cable to it (to say, hook to the wiz) then the wiz wouldn't be able to get an ip
Jun 21 01:28:29 <tonymy01> i finally got an ethernet switch the other day, wow, what a difference for the wiz
Jun 21 01:28:42 <Yuv422> vs wifi
Jun 21 01:28:59 <tonymy01> no crashing/hangs with file transfers, perfect HD streaming etc... yep, vs 802.11g
Jun 21 01:29:17 <Yuv422> my wiz wifi wasn't too bad
Jun 21 01:29:19 <Yuv422> just slow
Jun 21 01:29:51 <Yuv422> no response from bw on my post about the kernel sources
Jun 21 01:29:53 <tonymy01> mainly mine was slow, but with wpa it was not reliable at all, wep was more reliable but a pain still.
Jun 21 01:30:00 <Yuv422> in the wifi thread
Jun 21 01:30:24 <tonymy01> i am going to soon try the MH760HD or IAMM (or whatever those 2 units are called) kernel
Jun 21 01:30:44 <tonymy01> as the GPL has been provided for those
Jun 21 01:30:58 <Yuv422> ah k
Jun 21 01:31:17 <Yuv422> Do you think BW has customised their build much?
Jun 21 01:31:21 <tonymy01> now i have serial access, i can boot the kernel a number of ways
Jun 21 01:31:29 <Yuv422> hehe
Jun 21 01:31:31 <tonymy01> doesn't look like it
Jun 21 01:31:47 <tonymy01> same uclinux version, same gcc version
Jun 21 01:32:04 <Yuv422> have you seen peter's serial page on the wiki
Jun 21 01:32:23 <tonymy01> the kernel does have hanjo@nazgul. whatever string for the info though..
Jun 21 01:32:32 <tonymy01> no, i will have a look
Jun 21 01:32:50 <Yuv422> what does 5K pulldown mean
Jun 21 01:33:04 <tonymy01> talking about a resistor?
Jun 21 01:33:18 <Yuv422> probably
Jun 21 01:33:59 <tonymy01> strange, i can't find a reference to it just yet
Jun 21 01:34:31 <tonymy01> this is the bit i was talking about:  Linux version 2.4.26-uc0-sigma-20070326-nm (hanjo@secondwave.nazgul33.com) (gcc version 2.95.3 20010315 (release))
Jun 21 01:34:54 <tonymy01> is all the same bar the hanjo bit as the linux version of the 760HD
Jun 21 01:35:34 <tonymy01> i wonder how they got the full bootlog, mine is a bit quieter than that on boot
Jun 21 01:38:29 <Yuv422> I think matthewc was saying he edited the bootloader to enable debug
Jun 21 01:41:43 <tonymy01> ahh, ok, found it.   5K pulldown to gnd must means that when the resistance was measured, there is approx 5K to gnd.   This is normally used on inputs to reduce the possibility of noise accidentally causing the input to think there is data on the line.
Jun 21 01:42:09 <Yuv422> ah k
Jun 21 01:42:24 <Yuv422> I have this converter http://www.ftdichip.com/Products/EvaluationKits/TTL-232R.htm
Jun 21 01:42:35 <Yuv422> do you think it would be appropriate
Jun 21 01:42:57 <Yuv422> I couldn't get any signal when I tried a long time ago
Jun 21 01:43:09 <Yuv422> I was trying different pins though
Jun 21 01:43:12 <Yuv422> I think
Jun 21 01:43:28 <tonymy01> there isn't different pins in the wiz i don't think
Jun 21 01:43:51 <tonymy01> you only need to hook up 3 pins
Jun 21 01:43:53 <Yuv422> sorry a different configuration of the pins
Jun 21 01:43:58 <tonymy01> as that device is powered by usb
Jun 21 01:44:08 <Yuv422> rx tx and gnd?
Jun 21 01:44:16 <tonymy01> yep
Jun 21 01:44:31 <tonymy01> which variant do you have?
Jun 21 01:44:52 <tonymy01> hopefully not hte 3.3 IOs?
Jun 21 01:44:59 <Yuv422> it just says TTL-232R-5.0V on the back
Jun 21 01:45:19 <tonymy01> actually, 3.3V IO will work, as my MAX232 was converted to 3.3V for mobile phone use years ago
Jun 21 01:45:55 <Yuv422> do I swap the rx/tx
Jun 21 01:45:57 <tonymy01> the wiz serial chip must read edge transitions, so it isn't too fussed if it is 3V or 5V
Jun 21 01:46:29 <tonymy01> i dunno what your serial pinout is, wouldn't it be implementation specific?
Jun 21 01:46:32 <Yuv422> the change from low to high?
Jun 21 01:46:57 <Yuv422> orange data output
Jun 21 01:46:59 <tonymy01> yep, delta rather than absolute... maybe.
Jun 21 01:47:03 <Yuv422> Txd
Jun 21 01:47:16 <Yuv422> does that go on the rx pin on the wiz board
Jun 21 01:47:21 <tonymy01> yep
Jun 21 01:47:24 <Yuv422> right
Jun 21 01:47:36 <tonymy01> well, it all depends on what your serial cable defines TX as
Jun 21 01:47:55 <Yuv422> hehe yeah I guess that's my question
Jun 21 01:47:58 <tonymy01> some reference to what you should connect to, some reference what the serial cable is doing
Jun 21 01:48:13 <Yuv422> yeah confusing
Jun 21 01:48:31 <Yuv422> 4 TXD Output Orange Transmit Asynchronous Data output.
Jun 21 01:48:47 <Yuv422> so that is sending from the cable
Jun 21 01:48:53 <tonymy01> sounds like that should go to rx on the wiz then
Jun 21 01:48:58 <Yuv422> righto
Jun 21 01:49:53 <Yuv422> is there a trick to discovering which pin does what
Jun 21 01:49:56 <Yuv422> on the wiz
Jun 21 01:49:58 <tonymy01> orange yellow black
Jun 21 01:50:10 <tonymy01> i found your instruction manual
Jun 21 01:50:20 <Yuv422> I heard that you can find ground by looking for the star that connects to the backing pannel
Jun 21 01:50:21 <tonymy01> i didn't find what the pins did, i used the post on the forum
Jun 21 01:50:58 <Yuv422> I guess I should ask matthewc
Jun 21 01:50:59 <Yuv422> :)
Jun 21 01:51:10 <tonymy01> i am guessing judging by the "5K to gnd" that whoever probed these must have measured the resistance
Jun 21 01:51:37 <tonymy01> so finding gnd is simple, there is about 10000 places on the MB where gnd is, so simply measure the resistance from there to all 4 pins
Jun 21 01:51:41 * Yuv422 wishes he knew more about electronics
Jun 21 01:51:47 <tonymy01> and then measure the voltage of all 4 pins
Jun 21 01:52:02 <tonymy01> (resistance best measured switched off)
Jun 21 01:52:27 <Yuv422> does the tx pin go from 0 to 5v when transmitting?
Jun 21 01:52:30 <tonymy01> once you establish ground and power, it is pretty simple to swap tx/rx until that is right
Jun 21 01:52:39 <Yuv422> or does it use a lower carrier voltage
Jun 21 01:52:46 <Yuv422> right
Jun 21 01:52:56 <tonymy01> yep, but it is a rapid fluctuation, i doubt whether the multimeter would show much
Jun 21 01:53:17 <tonymy01> i didn't measure myself, dunno if the tx is normally high or normally low
Jun 21 01:53:17 <Yuv422> so you'd need an ossiloscope
Jun 21 01:53:30 <Yuv422> with a buad rate equiv to the serial
Jun 21 01:53:43 <Yuv422> baud
Jun 21 01:53:47 <tonymy01> if normally high that could be a bit difficult to work out which one is power and which one is tx
Jun 21 01:54:09 <tonymy01> yeah, maybe a multimeter set to ac might show more on the tx
Jun 21 01:54:27 <Yuv422> do you know which config is more common
Jun 21 01:54:46 <tonymy01> of course you have to assume that the wiz is sending data all the time, which it is not...
Jun 21 01:55:08 <tonymy01> nope, this is the 1st time i have hooked a serial cable to an appliance
Jun 21 01:55:22 <Yuv422> ah k
Jun 21 01:55:27 <tonymy01> the phone was already designed to go to serial
Jun 21 01:55:38 <Yuv422> you sound like you've got a bit of an electrical background though
Jun 21 01:55:40 <tonymy01> and same with the car (from the euro plug thing... forgot its name)
Jun 21 01:56:05 <tonymy01> yep, electrical engineer, and a hobby of electronics since i was about 12
Jun 21 01:56:21 <Yuv422> I don't think I did so well in my one electrical engineering subject at uni.
Jun 21 01:56:31 <Yuv422> ah k
Jun 21 01:56:32 <tonymy01> either did I :-)
Jun 21 01:56:38 <tonymy01> joking
Jun 21 01:58:08 <Yuv422> :)
Jun 21 01:58:35 <tonymy01> ok, going to purge some stuff of my 2 pvr hdds (they are parallel recording for some shows)
Jun 21 01:58:49 <Yuv422> hehe righto
Jun 21 01:59:04 <tonymy01> (makes it annoying when after a few weeks I still haven't watched the show and trying to remember, "
Jun 21 01:59:15 <tonymy01> does the 5K have that one too, or should i delete it")
Jun 21 01:59:39 <Yuv422> hehe yeah be careful
Jun 21 02:00:20 <tonymy01> the biggest danger with your usb adapter is the red wire, and the black wire
Jun 21 02:00:34 <tonymy01> if you hook black to the wiz power line, could be bad
Jun 21 02:00:46 <Yuv422> hehe I might have
Jun 21 02:00:55 <Yuv422> the wiz still works
Jun 21 02:01:00 <tonymy01> maybe even the wiz tx could be bad (although usually outputs are current limited)
Jun 21 02:01:02 <Yuv422> and I didn't get any smoke
Jun 21 02:01:35 <Yuv422> but I wouldn't be surprised if I have busted it
Jun 21 02:01:53 <tonymy01> if you hook red to the wiz gnd (and black to something else that will become gnd) then you could fry the wiz "psuedo" gnd or your adapter VCC
Jun 21 02:02:25 <Yuv422> I can loopback on the adapter
Jun 21 02:02:28 <tonymy01> so in the past you have hooked it up as provided onto something and it worked?
Jun 21 02:02:32 <Yuv422> connecting the tx/rx
Jun 21 02:02:53 <Yuv422> not sure about the +v pin
Jun 21 02:02:58 <tonymy01> with the 6 pins configured in that order?
Jun 21 02:03:31 <Yuv422> I'm not sure how I connected it
Jun 21 02:03:48 <Yuv422> it was way back before I got telnet working
Jun 21 02:04:09 <Yuv422> I'll give it another go with the proper pin config and see how I go
Jun 21 02:04:13 <tonymy01> no, i meant the cable previously, not on the wiz
Jun 21 02:04:22 <tonymy01> or did you buy this for use on the wiz
Jun 21 02:04:30 <Yuv422> I got it for the wiz
Jun 21 02:04:35 <tonymy01> ahh,ok
Jun 21 02:04:48 <tonymy01> i am suprised they fix 6pins in that order
Jun 21 02:05:02 <tonymy01> i wonder if it is a pseudo standard or something
Jun 21 02:05:03 <Yuv422> not conventional?
Jun 21 02:05:22 <tonymy01> i am not really sure, i wouldn't have thought so
Jun 21 02:05:38 <Yuv422> I'm going to have to pull my wiz out of the tv cabinet though
Jun 21 02:05:44 <Yuv422> or move my computer
Jun 21 02:05:48 <tonymy01> hehe, i made some mods to mine
Jun 21 02:06:02 <tonymy01> ahh, you mean to acces
Jun 21 02:06:08 <Yuv422> yeah
Jun 21 02:06:10 <tonymy01> this is the beauty of a slug
Jun 21 02:06:18 <Yuv422> yeah
Jun 21 02:06:26 <tonymy01> i just have a "microcom" .profile and login
Jun 21 02:06:33 <Yuv422> I wonder if I can do the same with my NAS
Jun 21 02:06:44 <tonymy01> which launches the microcom app from .profile
Jun 21 02:06:52 <tonymy01> so can look from anywhere
Jun 21 02:07:14 <tonymy01> my pc is on 24x7, so i watch the micrcom ssh session scrolling along with wiz logs
Jun 21 02:07:33 <Yuv422> hehe nice
Jun 21 02:07:40 <tonymy01> i did have microcom logging to hdd, but the slug hdd is too loud
Jun 21 02:07:44 <Yuv422> the ftdi chip has a linux driver
Jun 21 02:08:10 <tonymy01> so previously i didn't have to be logged in and still had access to the log
Jun 21 02:08:28 <tonymy01> i actually compiled microcom myself, so it shouldn't be hard
Jun 21 02:08:49 <tonymy01> as long as your usb device presents itself as a serial port to the ok
Jun 21 02:08:50 <tonymy01> os
Jun 21 02:09:17 <tonymy01> is there linux drivers/modules for the usb device?
Jun 21 02:10:09 <tonymy01> aha, 2.4kernels need one, 2.6 don't
Jun 21 02:10:32 <Yuv422> ilooks like the driver is included in linux 2.6.9+ kernels
Jun 21 02:10:44 <Yuv422> :)
Jun 21 02:11:05 * Yuv422 boots up the nas
Jun 21 02:11:22 <tonymy01> so is the nas near the wiz?
Jun 21 02:11:31 <Yuv422> It can be
Jun 21 02:11:39 <Yuv422> at the moment it is next to my router
Jun 21 02:11:45 <Yuv422> which is on the other side of the room
Jun 21 02:11:50 <tonymy01> mine always has been due to the usb connection to the topfield
Jun 21 02:11:59 <Yuv422> but I could get another switch and keep it in the tv stand
Jun 21 02:12:10 <tonymy01> ahh, i forgot to mention that before that it has that connection also
Jun 21 02:12:38 <Yuv422> uname -a
Jun 21 02:12:38 <Yuv422> Linux TS-109 2.6.12.6-arm1 #24 Mon Mar 24 18:02:07 CST 2008 armv5tejl unknown
Jun 21 02:12:49 <tonymy01> good
Jun 21 02:13:02 <Yuv422> I wonder if it is compiled in
Jun 21 02:13:08 <tonymy01> now all you need is a cross compiler to get microcom working
Jun 21 02:13:13 <Yuv422> yeah
Jun 21 02:13:19 <Yuv422> that shouldn't be too hard
Jun 21 02:13:29 <tonymy01> or "insert favourite dumb terminal package name here"
Jun 21 02:13:38 <Yuv422> I guess checking the wiz serial port status is the main thing
Jun 21 02:14:24 <Yuv422> so cable gnd to wiz gnd?
Jun 21 02:14:25 <tonymy01> so i can't remember if you were here at the time, but I cut a little gap in the 3rd antenna hole up to the top of the case on the wiz
Jun 21 02:14:31 <tonymy01> yep, gnd to gnd
Jun 21 02:14:47 <Yuv422> ah k
Jun 21 02:14:48 <tonymy01> that way I could put the cable in and screw the lid back on
Jun 21 02:14:56 <Yuv422> cool
Jun 21 02:15:10 <Yuv422> hacksaw
Jun 21 02:15:13 <tonymy01> is it easy to clip out your wires and put them in the correct order?
Jun 21 02:15:19 <tonymy01> i used tin snips
Jun 21 02:15:29 <tonymy01> hacksaw would be too messy i think
Jun 21 02:15:59 <Yuv422> metal fillings on the mb ;-)
Jun 21 02:16:00 <tonymy01> i bought a nice tool from aldi on thursday, a 18,000rpm grinder/sander/engraver/cuter
Jun 21 02:16:14 <Yuv422> cool
Jun 21 02:16:26 <tonymy01> (smallish device)
Jun 21 02:16:33 <Yuv422> the plug doesn't look openable
Jun 21 02:16:49 <tonymy01> would have made the cut a little neater, at the risk of putting filings everywhere though.
Jun 21 02:17:22 <tonymy01> yeah, it will be, a small pin or screwdriver to lever up the plastic, to slide out the individual wires and metal "hole" thingys
Jun 21 02:17:49 <tonymy01> there is likely little "one way" levers holding in those individual sockets
Jun 21 02:18:06 <tonymy01> (I butchered an old motherboard connector for mine)
Jun 21 02:18:25 <Yuv422> ah k
Jun 21 02:18:35 <Yuv422> it does feel a bit loose
Jun 21 02:18:52 <Yuv422> I can move the metal connectors around inside the outer black container
Jun 21 02:18:56 <tonymy01> yeah, just pry up those little tabs, do it one by one
Jun 21 02:19:38 <tonymy01> be a bit careful, those tabs tend to bend and break
Jun 21 02:19:56 <tonymy01> start on one of the end ones first, in case you break it, at least all the middle ones will still be intact
Jun 21 02:20:09 <tonymy01> good practise
Jun 21 02:20:15 <Yuv422> yeah that worked
Jun 21 02:20:17 <Yuv422> :)
Jun 21 02:20:59 <tonymy01> you can probably leave the end ones connected, just overhang them in the wiz, this way you don't have floating metal ended wires in there
Jun 21 02:22:04 <tonymy01> blank, yellow, orange, black
Jun 21 02:23:13 <tonymy01> the dtvforums are down as per usual
Jun 21 02:26:38 <Yuv422> are the wizes well received on dtvforum?
Jun 21 02:30:35 <Yuv422> ok I've got all the wires out now
Jun 21 02:30:38 <tonymy01> yes and no
Jun 21 02:31:41 <tonymy01> vortical had a dummy spit at peteru
Jun 21 02:31:48 <tonymy01> on the topfield 7100 thread
Jun 21 02:32:04 <tonymy01> jkramer i think it is keeps posting dodgy stuff
Jun 21 02:32:08 <Yuv422> topfield fanboy?
Jun 21 02:32:20 <tonymy01> he had/has a wiz though, so strange
Jun 21 02:32:46 <tonymy01> i am/was a fanboy also, for the 5K, but the moment that 7k came out i knew it was not a patch on the 5K
Jun 21 02:33:05 <tonymy01> it gave me no incentive to upgrade, where as the wiz certainly did
Jun 21 02:34:50 <tonymy01> peter just compared the two hardware platforms, and said there was no reason that the 7100 couldn't do everything the wiz can, if the topfield team have the motivation to do so, and this just set vortical right off
Jun 21 02:37:15 <tonymy01> you are going to plug those wires into the connector still, right?
Jun 21 02:37:34 <Yuv422> yeah
Jun 21 02:37:37 <Yuv422> just doing it now
Jun 21 02:38:15 <Yuv422> ok i've got from right to left
Jun 21 02:38:24 <tonymy01> maybe instead of "blank" you can do those 3 colours on the very end
Jun 21 02:38:40 <Yuv422> yellow, orange, black, green,brown,red
Jun 21 02:38:55 <tonymy01> cool
Jun 21 02:39:07 <Yuv422> :)
Jun 21 02:39:35 <tonymy01> i used the 5V from the wiz of course, as this was needed to power the chip in my cable
Jun 21 02:40:24 <Yuv422> that's the other thing I was going toask you
Jun 21 02:40:33 <Yuv422> I was thinking of upgrading the internal hdd
Jun 21 02:40:42 <Yuv422> did you end up doing that?
Jun 21 02:40:43 <tonymy01> i put a 500G WD drive in
Jun 21 02:40:52 <Yuv422> can you recommend a av spec drive
Jun 21 02:40:53 <tonymy01> very quiet, quieter than the 200G
Jun 21 02:41:04 <Yuv422> ah k
Jun 21 02:41:10 <tonymy01> i had a 2.5month(or longer) drama getting an AV spec drive
Jun 21 02:41:16 <tonymy01> and ended up not getting it
Jun 21 02:41:33 <tonymy01> i got my WD5000AV, but it was DOA
Jun 21 02:41:53 <Yuv422> that's right I remember you saying
Jun 21 02:42:08 <Yuv422> does the current drive generate much heat
Jun 21 02:42:22 <Yuv422> does it handle dual HD recording?
Jun 21 02:42:31 <tonymy01> and due to delivery issues, it took approx a week to get to me, so by the time i got the damn thing, everyone in australia had run out of stock
Jun 21 02:42:33 <tonymy01> yeah, of course
Jun 21 02:42:47 <tonymy01> dual hd is not taxing on even the most laggy drive
Jun 21 02:43:01 <tonymy01> 12megabit/s x 2 is not a lot of data
Jun 21 02:43:05 <Yuv422> so what does an av spec drive get you
Jun 21 02:43:12 <Yuv422> heat + noise
Jun 21 02:43:15 <Yuv422> reduction
Jun 21 02:43:21 <tonymy01> "optimised" stuff, mostly heat/noise
Jun 21 02:43:44 <tonymy01> but buffers more optimised for long access rather than normal filesystem access i suppose
Jun 21 02:44:00 <tonymy01> i don't think it makes much real world difference at the moment
Jun 21 02:44:06 <tonymy01> the heat is a tiny bit less
Jun 21 02:44:18 <tonymy01> for my wd5000non-AV drive i am running now
Jun 21 02:44:49 <tonymy01> when i looked at all the specs between the av and non-av drive (from wd) there was not any glaringly obvious differences
Jun 21 02:45:02 <tonymy01> so i settled with that drive just to get one finally
Jun 21 02:45:32 <Yuv422> being quieter than the original drive would be a bonus
Jun 21 02:45:41 <tonymy01> of course just to make comparison more difficult, wd spec the av drive in sons, and non-av in dB
Jun 21 02:45:58 <Yuv422> hehe
Jun 21 02:46:09 <Yuv422> it's probablt the samee value
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