**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jan 28 02:59:58 2007 Jan 28 09:21:20 andersee: hi Jan 28 10:20:55 how should i compile an app if i need to run one on the host machine? Jan 28 10:23:14 <[mbm]> depends on how broken the app is Jan 28 10:23:32 <[mbm]> sometimes it cross compiles correctly when told host and target cc Jan 28 10:23:52 <[mbm]> other times you have to patch things like config.h to bypass the configure script which runs the host apps Jan 28 10:24:29 sorry, i meant the build machine Jan 28 10:25:03 * [mbm] already answered the damn question :P Jan 28 10:25:07 :P Jan 28 13:06:53 * armijn prods nbd Jan 28 13:07:00 nbd: you have mail from a journalist Jan 28 13:07:28 nbd: he's brief and sounds a bit stressed, but that is normal with journalist Jan 28 13:09:36 got it Jan 28 13:09:39 writing a reply right now Jan 28 13:17:29 nbd: thanks :) Jan 28 13:23:09 <[mbm]> more gpl violations? Jan 28 13:23:28 [mbm]: tons of them Jan 28 13:23:57 <[mbm]> figures, but I never actually see any talk of it here Jan 28 13:24:25 [mbm]: well, quite a few people here do active research into devices and spot stuff Jan 28 13:24:52 <[mbm]> sure, but as I said, I never actually see much if any discussion about it Jan 28 13:25:21 [mbm]: if you want me to take it outside this channel, that's ok Jan 28 13:25:28 seperation of concerns, etc. Jan 28 13:25:37 <[mbm]> no, quite the opposite Jan 28 13:26:34 ok Jan 28 13:26:48 well, in that case I'd like to know about every Linksys violation you know about :-P Jan 28 13:27:09 heh :) Jan 28 13:27:59 <[mbm]> heh, you're asking the wrong person; I haven't kept up on all that stuff which is why I was asking about the current round of violations Jan 28 13:28:22 there are old ones, new ones Jan 28 13:28:26 lots of bootloader stuff Jan 28 13:28:44 armijn: mail sent Jan 28 13:29:10 libiptc in broadcom things, rtl865x hardlinking binary blobs into the kernel, etc. Jan 28 13:29:58 the most interesting one for us that i know of right now is the bcm963xx one Jan 28 13:30:10 because that is a very popular platform Jan 28 13:30:37 btw. here's what i wrote about the 'interesting' netfilter diff on wrt300n: Jan 28 13:30:40 After reviewing the code in question again, I believe that the code in question was probably written by the CyberTAN (supplier of Linksys) employee, but he used another GPL licensed file as template for this. Jan 28 13:30:45 The incorrect copyright header is no coincidence. If you compare ip_conntrack_proto_gre.c (written by Harald Welte) with ip_conntrack_proto_esp.c (probably written by Jack Chou at CyberTAN) Jan 28 13:30:49 you can see that large parts of the structure are identical, just references to the GRE protocol and all other protocol specific code were replaced with rewritten code for ESP. Jan 28 13:30:53 Because of the reuse of GPL licensed code, I believe that CyberTAN has no right to relicense the code in question. Jan 28 13:31:13 damn... bad grammar, i should proofread my sentences when i move stuff around with copy&paste :) Jan 28 13:31:26 nbd: no problem, he's a journalist Jan 28 13:31:38 he will pick the interesting stuff from it Jan 28 13:31:41 <[mbm]> interesting Jan 28 13:31:48 indeed Jan 28 14:15:25 hi all Jan 28 14:15:32 welcome to #openwrt-devel! Jan 28 14:16:03 i built a external package with buildroot-ng, but when i run this program i get this error Jan 28 14:16:11 root@OpenWrt:~# vde_plug /usr/bin/vde_plug: /usr/bin/vde_plug: 117: /home/fab/myproject/openwrt-exp/trunk/staging_dir_mips/bin/sed: not found Jan 28 14:16:28 any tips ? Jan 28 14:16:58 it can depend of uclib version ? Jan 28 14:17:45 [mbm], nbd ? Jan 28 14:19:17 <[mbm]> hmm that's supposed to be built when you compile openwrt Jan 28 14:20:00 yeah, but i tried this on original fonera firmware Jan 28 14:21:32 <[mbm]> wait, the package you compiled is trying to run sed? Jan 28 14:21:38 <[mbm]> that's strange Jan 28 14:21:43 no Jan 28 14:22:48 ops, this program use a shell wrapper to run binary :p Jan 28 14:48:50 nbd: some progress about the rt2x00 module? Jan 28 14:49:01 not yet Jan 28 14:56:26 ever thought about cloning yourself nbd? Jan 28 15:02:00 hm, is it ok to set copyright for the future? normaly i see that a company has copyright from the past to the actual year, never saw something like this before: ASUSTek WirelessHDD RTC Driver Copyright 2004-2010 by Jiaqin-PaN Jan 28 15:03:17 interesting Jan 28 15:03:53 lots of crazy stuff going on at these companies Jan 28 15:05:06 loswillios: I think we should fund nbd's cloning Jan 28 15:06:07 yes. would be the best for all parties Jan 28 15:06:30 I will donate EUR 1 Jan 28 15:06:41 should be a good start. Jan 28 15:07:18 I give 1,50 € Jan 28 15:10:07 * crazy_imp spends a package wick energy to power him up :D Jan 28 19:28:59 * crazy_imp still hopes for some new things he can try for the rt2x00 :) Jan 28 19:37:53 keep on dreaming. Jan 28 19:37:58 :P Jan 28 19:41:52 armijn: :( Jan 28 19:42:16 :P Jan 28 19:42:20 just teasing Jan 28 19:42:44 I know the rt2x00 people are working hard on stuff Jan 28 19:43:32 porting stuff over to the new devicescape stack Jan 28 19:44:13 it's just one month ago i bought the card on 23c3 - can't wait to see it working in my wl500gp Jan 28 19:49:31 hm, yes Jan 28 19:49:39 I gave about 13 routers a month ago Jan 28 19:49:44 haven't seen much out of that either Jan 28 19:49:45 (and one day) Jan 28 19:50:01 but you should not forget that noone is doing this for $$$ (as far as I know) Jan 28 19:50:04 it's volunteering work Jan 28 19:50:14 jupp :) Jan 28 19:50:18 ehr, volunteer work Jan 28 19:50:25 but, even that can be solved of course Jan 28 19:50:33 which would be to buy time for a developer Jan 28 19:50:58 or just clone one Jan 28 19:51:11 heh Jan 28 19:51:20 I'm serious Jan 28 19:51:23 :P Jan 28 19:52:44 but, seriously, if you want something done quickly, you should throw money at it Jan 28 19:52:50 otherwise you can't make any demands Jan 28 19:53:11 and I know that might suck, but it is how it is Jan 28 20:12:27 i really wish i had a lot more time for this stuff Jan 28 20:13:07 true Jan 28 20:13:59 and i want to understand more of that stuff Jan 28 20:14:59 crazy_imp: so you'd have to invest time Jan 28 20:15:35 of course, there are ways to get a revenue stream, so you could just "buy" a developer Jan 28 20:15:48 it would mean quite a bit of organizational work Jan 28 20:15:56 and might change the spirit of the project Jan 28 20:18:02 armijn: blah, i like it as it is :) Jan 28 20:21:06 nbd: can you tell me where you got the sources you gave me in the tarball? Jan 28 20:22:39 crazy_imp: wireless-dev Jan 28 20:22:48 a git checkout Jan 28 20:23:01 i think they did some changes related to delayed work in the linux kernel Jan 28 20:23:09 so we might have to backport some of that to our kernel Jan 28 20:24:19 crazy_imp: exactly, it is a cute project :P Jan 28 20:28:32 hear that developers? I just called you cute... Jan 28 20:31:05 oh, he couldn't bear it... Jan 28 20:56:38 heh Jan 28 20:56:49 nbd: is there a point against using the rt2x00 stuff from serialmonkey? Jan 28 20:57:06 it's old and unmaintained stuf Jan 28 20:59:23 the newest stuff there is 6 days old Jan 28 20:59:28 brb Jan 28 21:00:17 oh, right. they're not totally unmaintained Jan 28 21:00:30 they're still the legacy drivers and most work is done on the wireless-dev stuff Jan 28 21:00:45 if you're a little more patient, you will get drivers that compile Jan 28 21:02:56 the guy from rt2x00 is working on stuf...I arranged 20 or so devices for him :P Jan 28 21:03:40 armijn. so if we send 50 pcs of some device X to nbd he will add/fix support sooner? :) Jan 28 21:03:52 the daily-cvs on serialmonkey uses devicescape Jan 28 21:03:53 jr-: nope Jan 28 21:04:04 jr-: I have 22 routers here for him, but he says he doesn't want them :P Jan 28 21:04:27 ok, so, it's just three different types, but... Jan 28 21:11:58 i could use one... :D Jan 28 21:12:35 having a ralink minipci card would probably also help with getting better openwrt support for those things Jan 28 21:13:06 loswillios: come to fosdem and will get a AR7 based router, which is RMA, has no powersupply and might not work :) Jan 28 21:13:25 hehe Jan 28 21:13:30 nbd: there was a ralink minipci card in one of the sitecom things I sent to 23C3 Jan 28 21:13:47 oh, right... i think we really ought to reward companies that are open with specs and drivers by delivering proper support for the hardware Jan 28 21:14:23 that sounds like a good idea Jan 28 21:17:31 re Jan 28 21:26:25 nbd: ok, i'll wait - hope the day comes i can open a "supported cards" section on the toh and add the rt2561t :) Jan 28 21:41:22 "You can't go around building a better world for people. Only people can build a better world for people. Otherwise it's just a cage." -- (Terry Pratchett, Witches Abroad) s/world/software & s/cage/crap/ ? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Jan 29 02:59:59 2007