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Mar 07 06:25:19 <roh> the adsl2 is done with some small 8pin part from bcm and the cpu
Mar 07 06:25:36 <roh> wifi is a bcm4313 .. i have some pictures
Mar 07 06:25:45 <sn9> fxo or fxs?
Mar 07 06:26:13 <roh> 1 fxs on Rj45 to be used alternating with isdn
Mar 07 06:26:16 <roh> 2 fxo on TAE
Mar 07 06:26:33 <roh> like a fritzbox without 'fxo-isdn'
Mar 07 06:26:52 <sn9> why 2 fxo? most voip modems have 2 fxs and no fxo
Mar 07 06:27:08 <roh> oh.. sorry  2fxs and 1 fxo shared
Mar 07 06:27:40 <sn9> oh, it does fxo on the dsl line? nice
Mar 07 06:27:44 <roh> pots-TLA are not my thing
Mar 07 06:27:50 <roh> nope.. on the isdn-port
Mar 07 06:28:06 <roh> its intended for external splitter and ntba usage
Mar 07 06:28:27 <roh> but can be used only with splitter and analog line. typical german setup
Mar 07 06:28:35 <sn9> so, it has two isdn ports, one for fxo, and one for data?
Mar 07 06:28:56 <roh> nope. one isdnport which is blocked if you use fxo
Mar 07 06:29:20 <sn9> then what does it use for the uplink if you use fxo?
Mar 07 06:29:33 <roh> 'telephony upstream' (ntba or splitter) is one Rj45
Mar 07 06:29:49 <roh> 'dsl upstream' (splitter or direct connect) is one
Mar 07 06:29:57 <roh> and 'ethernet' another
Mar 07 06:30:14 <roh> 3x rj45, one power, 2 tae, one wifi
Mar 07 06:30:47 <sn9> so, it has two isdn ports, one for fxo, and one for data.
Mar 07 06:31:00 <roh> nope. only one
Mar 07 06:31:11 <roh> which can only be used when fxo is not used (same socket)
Mar 07 06:31:38 <sn9> you just said that besides the ethernet, there are 2 rj45
Mar 07 06:31:51 <roh> yes. one for dsl (only middle 2 pins)
Mar 07 06:32:05 <roh> one which is shared by isdn and fxo
Mar 07 06:32:33 <sn9> i thought your dsl was over isdn
Mar 07 06:32:52 <roh> nope.
Mar 07 06:33:12 <roh> in germany we use all schemas depending on your isp
Mar 07 06:33:27 <roh> i have a pure adsl2+ line, no pots or isdn
Mar 07 06:33:27 <sn9> so, some use annex a and some annex b?
Mar 07 06:33:46 <roh> tcom does annex b only
Mar 07 06:33:56 <roh> means they leave a gap when you use potsÃ+dsl
Mar 07 06:34:11 <roh> so the splitters are always the same
Mar 07 06:34:18 <sn9> heh
Mar 07 06:34:49 <roh> other carriers do pure adsl, adsl22+, vdsl, sdsl, whatever
Mar 07 06:35:28 <sn9> here, there is also such a thing as "idsl" which is isdn with the dialing lines aggregated into the data to form a leased line
Mar 07 06:36:15 <roh> huh? regular channel bonding with direct call setup?
Mar 07 06:36:35 <roh> means 112kbit in the us?
Mar 07 06:36:44 <roh> or 128 in euroÃpe, right?
Mar 07 06:37:00 <sn9> they bond the dialing channel with the two 64kbit data channels to get 144kbit
Mar 07 06:37:09 <roh> *jikes*
Mar 07 06:39:00 <sn9> it's relatively expensive, but if you want to run a server at home, out of range of adsl or sdsl, it's still less than a T1 (E1)
Mar 07 06:39:09 <roh> btw.. the chip for isdn on the type C is a infineon PSB 21150 F, and the pots is done by Legerity LE8221DLC and Legerity 88010
Mar 07 06:39:28 <roh> i see
Mar 07 06:39:44 <sn9> Le88221DLC, you mean
Mar 07 06:39:54 <roh> yes
Mar 07 06:40:11 <sn9> that may become the first voip chip supported in openwrt
Mar 07 06:41:13 <sn9> zarlink bought legerity, and is being considerably more cooperative than legerity was
Mar 07 06:41:21 <roh> nice
Mar 07 06:41:40 <roh> yeah.. ive seen some docs on zarlinks pages for the other stuff they do
Mar 07 06:42:04 <roh> the linuxtv guys have some drivers because of that i think
Mar 07 06:42:24 <sn9> you mean gspca
Mar 07 06:42:38 <roh> nope. (silocon)tuners
Mar 07 06:42:44 <roh> eh silicon
Mar 07 06:42:45 <sn9> oh, right
Mar 07 06:43:05 <roh> the one mixer in front of the demod *g*
Mar 07 06:43:35 <roh> dumb beasts which are more like a statemachine with a long shift register on a serial bus for control
Mar 07 06:44:13 <sn9> the new asus dvb-t usb devices are supported because it took me an hour to reverse-engineer their binary drivers
Mar 07 06:44:34 <roh> nice. which hw is that?
Mar 07 06:45:01 <sn9> would have taken me less, but the two machines i was using were in different rooms, and i didn't bother to ssh
Mar 07 06:45:09 <roh> which reminds me.. ghk wrote me a mail since i somehow showed up in the 2.6.24 log for a 3 line fix *sigh*
Mar 07 06:45:58 <sn9> i think they were called MyCinema or some such thing
Mar 07 06:46:32 <sn9> of course, i've never actually seen one, since i'm in ATSC-land
Mar 07 06:47:51 <sn9> asus released gpl source to the drivers a couple of days after i submitted the patch
Mar 07 06:53:36 <roh> *g*
Mar 07 10:16:43 <CIA-28> nbd * r10556 /trunk/toolchain/gcc/Config.in: remove the "depends BROKEN" for eabi
Mar 07 10:44:15 <CIA-28> florian * r10557 /trunk/package/base-files/files/etc/init.d/boot: Make the syslog ring-buffer size configurable (#3204)
Mar 07 10:47:25 <CIA-28> florian * r10558 /trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Add PCnet32 ethernet support (#3195)
Mar 07 10:48:44 <[florian]> pwd
Mar 07 10:48:44 <[florian]> ls
Mar 07 10:48:50 <[florian]> ermm, wrong window
Mar 07 10:55:25 <CIA-28> blogic * r10559 /packages/utils/bemused/ (6 files in 2 dirs): adding bemused server from #3208
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