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Jul 03 11:09:44 <CIA-8> florian * r11627 /trunk/target/linux/rdc/ (7 files in 4 dirs):
Jul 03 11:09:44 <CIA-8> Put the files created by the lzma decompressor patch in the files/
Jul 03 11:09:44 <CIA-8> directory.
Jul 03 11:09:44 <CIA-8> Add some early_printk debugging to the lzma decompressor to help
Jul 03 11:09:44 <CIA-8> track down problems when upgrading from one kernel version to another
Jul 03 11:38:11 <aroscha> hi
Jul 03 11:38:17 <wrt> aroscha: what?
Jul 03 11:38:22 <aroscha> nothing
Jul 03 11:38:23 <aroscha> :)
Jul 03 11:38:36 <aroscha> dear bot
Jul 03 11:39:36 <blogic> hi wrt
Jul 03 11:39:43 <wrt> hello
Jul 03 11:39:49 <blogic> wrt: wazzup ?
Jul 03 11:40:11 * loswillios hugs wrt 
Jul 03 11:41:44 <aroscha> wrt is soo friendly and nice... good bot
Jul 03 11:41:56 <aroscha> haha
Jul 03 11:47:02 <loswillios> why didn't they choose openwrt: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS8827997755.html
Jul 03 11:49:22 <blogic> loswillios: because they like the bloat
Jul 03 11:50:31 <loswillios> apparently :/
Jul 03 11:50:33 <farnz> Nurgh. Why's it so hard to find AR7 devices now - all I want is an OpenWRT compatible ADSL router.
Jul 03 11:51:38 <loswillios> farnz: if you are from germany, the w701v is cheap on ebay
Jul 03 11:52:05 <farnz> UK-based, and looking for new, ideally.
Jul 03 11:52:18 <loswillios> ah
Jul 03 11:53:40 <loswillios> it doesn't boot anyway (#3434). I should try 2.6.23 again next weekend
Jul 03 11:56:32 <Kaloz> [13:47:03] < loswillios> why didn't they choose openwrt: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS8827997755.html
Jul 03 11:56:40 <Kaloz> loswillios: because they need time to learn it :)
Jul 03 11:56:58 <Kaloz> loswillios: also, I'm sure it uses glibc
Jul 03 11:57:28 <loswillios> yeah I came to the same conclusion, must be glibc
Jul 03 11:59:14 <Kaloz> let's see
Jul 03 11:59:31 <loswillios> feedback is mostly positive http://dodji.blogspot.com/2008/07/garmin-playing-gnome-mobile-game.html
Jul 03 11:59:39 <farnz> blogic: What's the rough state of Danube right now?
Jul 03 11:59:54 <loswillios> but I should still write them 'next time use openwrt k thx' :)
Jul 03 12:00:01 <Kaloz> loswillios :)
Jul 03 12:00:17 <Kaloz> loswillios: actually a PoC would make them crazy
Jul 03 12:01:00 <loswillios> heh
Jul 03 12:02:14 <Kaloz> Downloaded 269.3 megabytes in 2:31 seconds. (1825.44 KB/s)
Jul 03 12:02:16 <Kaloz> :)
Jul 03 12:05:59 <Kaloz> oh, so many vulnarable outdated stuff
Jul 03 12:06:00 <Kaloz> :)
Jul 03 12:06:41 <Kaloz> not to mention that I would literally kill anyone who tars a single file
Jul 03 12:06:52 <Kaloz> (all patches are tar.bz2 containing a single diff)
Jul 03 12:09:33 <blogic> farnz: operational
Jul 03 12:09:53 <blogic> farnz: no voip/dsl, due to licensing issues, but if that gets resolved, it should be easy to get working
Jul 03 12:10:03 <blogic> it is the only part of the code base that is clean
Jul 03 12:10:26 <loswillios> Kaloz: oh my
Jul 03 12:10:55 <loswillios> Kaloz: >$1k for such a device is a good pricetag anyway :p
Jul 03 12:11:34 <farnz> blogic: Drat. The DSL's the bit I'm interested in.
Jul 03 12:11:43 <blogic> farnz: it will come
Jul 03 12:11:47 <blogic> i am certain
Jul 03 12:11:56 <blogic> farnz: infineon is very cooperative
Jul 03 12:12:22 <blogic> farnz: i am getting the tree ready to have it merged in upstream kernel, once this is done, we have a lot more leverage for dicussion with them
Jul 03 12:12:32 <blogic> farnz: for now, we are ignoring voip and dsl
Jul 03 12:12:40 <loswillios> cool
Jul 03 12:12:55 <blogic> but as i said, dsl will come, one way or another
Jul 03 12:13:00 * loswillios has a lot of 'easybox a800' in his ebay watchlist
Jul 03 12:13:05 <blogic> in the worst case as a bin only
Jul 03 12:13:05 <farnz> blogic: Fair enough; I just want an OpenWRT device with DSL and Ethernet, hence my interest in Danube.
Jul 03 12:13:28 <farnz> The licensing issue is the MIPS-side bit, or the MEI-side firmware?
Jul 03 12:13:47 <blogic> firmware
Jul 03 12:13:56 <blogic> the drivers are not gpl (yet)
Jul 03 12:14:30 <blogic> and i think i have mii1 running
Jul 03 12:14:37 <blogic> at least the tx path was working last night
Jul 03 12:14:41 <blogic> rx has some dma issues
Jul 03 12:14:47 <blogic> but lets see what the weekend brings
Jul 03 12:16:44 <blogic> loswillios: do not bid the next few days
Jul 03 12:16:53 <blogic> or you will push me price up :)
Jul 03 12:16:57 <blogic> i need a smc board
Jul 03 12:17:04 <blogic> only have the arcaydian version
Jul 03 12:17:15 <loswillios> hehe
Jul 03 12:18:38 <blogic> loswillios: and the willibox is definatley danube ?
Jul 03 12:18:44 <blogic> and has s0 !!!!
Jul 03 12:18:48 <blogic> woha
Jul 03 12:18:52 <loswillios> yeah the a800 has additional usb and isdn onboard
Jul 03 12:19:15 <loswillios> blogic: well, it seems like it. can't be sure without pics though
Jul 03 12:19:57 <blogic> sure
Jul 03 12:20:07 <blogic> we will know next week :)
Jul 03 12:20:21 <blogic> i know there seevral different versions of the arcydian board
Jul 03 12:20:34 <loswillios> ah
Jul 03 12:21:15 <blogic> so lets see what smc has done
Jul 03 12:23:24 <loswillios> the a800 would definately be an 'eierlegende wollmilchsau'
Jul 03 12:23:40 <loswillios> 4mb flash seems a little tight though, but anyways
Jul 03 12:24:29 <loswillios> maybe it has more, we don't know yet :)
Jul 03 12:25:38 <aroscha> hi!
Jul 03 12:25:41 <aroscha> question:
Jul 03 12:25:49 <blogic> i have 32mb flash lying at home, i wanna put one on the pcb :)
Jul 03 12:25:52 <aroscha> did any of you already compile something for the intel Atom chip?
Jul 03 12:25:53 <blogic> ho aroscha
Jul 03 12:25:59 <blogic> nope
Jul 03 12:26:00 <aroscha> blogic :) hi!
Jul 03 12:26:06 <blogic> i am expecting to get my evalkit next week
Jul 03 12:26:23 <blogic> but openwrt should run on atom out of the box
Jul 03 12:26:31 <aroscha> so just i386 ?
Jul 03 12:26:37 <aroscha> and no changes?
Jul 03 12:26:57 <aroscha> what would I need for X11 on it?
Jul 03 12:27:14 <aroscha> just the packages?
Jul 03 12:27:20 <loswillios> yes
Jul 03 12:27:47 <loswillios> and a driver for the graphiccard of course
Jul 03 12:27:55 <loswillios> someone wants to put openwrt on his new netbook?
Jul 03 12:28:43 <aroscha> i got a classmate 2 with atom and I would love to see openwrt on it :)
Jul 03 12:28:56 <blogic> aroscha: yes
Jul 03 12:29:18 <blogic> for X you neet to seelct fluxbox package, that will also select the base X files for you
Jul 03 12:29:21 <blogic> the xterm also
Jul 03 12:29:24 <aroscha> ok
Jul 03 12:29:26 <aroscha> and xeyes
Jul 03 12:29:27 <aroscha> :)
Jul 03 12:29:29 <blogic> and then what ever you feel like
Jul 03 12:29:34 <blogic> aroscha: xmms :)
Jul 03 12:29:39 <aroscha> sugar
Jul 03 12:29:42 <aroscha> haha
Jul 03 12:30:24 <loswillios> aroscha: http://nbd.ds10.mine.nu/test/olpc.jpg
Jul 03 12:31:18 <aroscha> yes, that is pretty cool
Jul 03 12:31:23 <blogic> loswillios: that took me ages to get running
Jul 03 12:31:36 <CIA-8> matteo * r11628 /packages/lang/ (21 files in 11 dirs): more perl packages
Jul 03 12:31:36 <blogic> i never wanna merge X into openwrt again
Jul 03 12:31:50 <loswillios> hehe, I can so image that
Jul 03 12:31:51 <blogic> was a 2 week holiday, i spent about 4 hours irl
Jul 03 12:31:54 <loswillios> *imagine
Jul 03 12:32:06 <matteo> blogic: have fun with my perl packages
Jul 03 12:32:22 <blogic> matteo: i love you :)
Jul 03 12:32:40 <matteo> blogic: :*
Jul 03 12:32:41 <blogic> matteo: if they work, i should be able to compile openwrt inside a openwrt :)
Jul 03 12:32:54 <matteo> blogic: they work on an avr32
Jul 03 12:32:54 <blogic> and if that works, i can finally switch from debian to openwrt
Jul 03 12:33:02 <matteo> i send sms with them
Jul 03 12:33:08 <blogic> hehe cool
Jul 03 12:33:09 <matteo> compiling forms on websites
Jul 03 12:33:23 <matteo> all from my phone, with a j2me tool
Jul 03 12:33:27 <matteo> 1 cent per SMS
Jul 03 12:33:43 <matteo> http://sms.gotext.org/
Jul 03 12:33:56 <blogic> lol
Jul 03 12:34:12 <matteo> blogic: the phone tool and the web services are 100% GPL
Jul 03 12:34:21 <blogic> cool
Jul 03 12:34:26 <blogic> and BT ? or serial
Jul 03 12:34:47 <matteo> GPRS if i'm outside
Jul 03 12:34:50 <matteo> wireless in home
Jul 03 12:35:06 <matteo> a sms traffic is less than 1kb
Jul 03 12:35:14 <matteo> my ISL charge me 0,3 cent for kb
Jul 03 12:35:21 <matteo> so I ever pay 1 cent per SMS
Jul 03 12:37:24 <matteo> we have also a linux gui tought
Jul 03 12:37:27 <matteo> Qt based
Jul 03 12:40:31 <matteo> blogic: are you switching from debian to openwrt?
Jul 03 12:40:41 <blogic> matteo: yes
Jul 03 12:40:49 <blogic> for my main machine and server
Jul 03 12:40:51 <matteo> why? debian is great
Jul 03 12:40:58 <blogic> openwrt is 16MB
Jul 03 12:41:01 <matteo> ah
Jul 03 12:41:02 <blogic> + firefox
Jul 03 12:41:03 <matteo> hehe
Jul 03 12:41:04 <blogic> +gcc
Jul 03 12:41:07 <blogic> :)
Jul 03 12:41:16 <matteo> mm
Jul 03 12:41:23 <blogic> and openwrt boots on my thinkpad, from power on to xterm running in 18 seconds
Jul 03 12:41:51 <matteo> blogic: and you will find bugs earlier
Jul 03 12:41:54 <matteo> good
Jul 03 12:42:04 <blogic> matteo: exactly
Jul 03 12:42:24 <blogic> matteo: if i wanna use openvpn, then i have to uci first etc
Jul 03 12:42:35 <blogic> so it will be cool to get some packages cleaned up
Jul 03 12:42:45 <matteo> blogic: make an uci firewall
Jul 03 12:42:52 <matteo> with my iptables-restore patch
Jul 03 12:42:54 <blogic> matteo: already started
Jul 03 12:43:04 <blogic> matteo: send me the patch again please
Jul 03 12:43:10 <matteo> a moment
Jul 03 12:43:12 <matteo> finding it
Jul 03 12:43:27 <matteo> on a crappy fonera the normal firewall can take up to 8 secs to load rules
Jul 03 12:43:37 <matteo> my one needs millisecs
Jul 03 12:47:55 <matteo> there is a tool that draws a map of a large network?
Jul 03 12:49:04 <poelzi> miniperl is broken: http://dev.leipzig.freifunk.net:8010/builders/panther-x86_generic_Generic|everything/builds/187/steps/make verbose/logs/stdio
Jul 03 12:49:15 <poelzi> gcvt is not in uclibc
Jul 03 12:49:36 <matteo> blogic: https://dev.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/trac.fcgi/attachment/ticket/1327/firewall.init-iptables-restore
Jul 03 12:51:42 <blogic> matteo: thx
Jul 03 13:14:23 <matteo> blogic: you can create rules for every chain in a file in /tmp
Jul 03 13:14:28 <matteo> then iptables-restore them
Jul 03 13:14:32 <matteo> it's way faster
Jul 03 13:14:43 <matteo> blogic: consider implementing it
Jul 03 13:21:56 <blogic> sure
Jul 03 13:24:11 <CIA-8> matteo * r11629 /packages/lang/perl/Makefile: fix microperl
Jul 04 00:58:53 <CIA-8> matteo * r11630 /trunk/target/linux/etrax/Makefile: fix typo
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