**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Nov 05 02:59:56 2009
Nov 05 09:17:02 <Lalloso> {Nico}_: you here?
Nov 05 09:17:20 <Lalloso> your nickname has the underscore now so maybe something happened overnight ^_^
Nov 05 10:22:30 <CIA-36> nbd * r18308 /packages/utils/dbus/Makefile:
Nov 05 10:22:30 <CIA-36> dbus: for some reason on our mips toolchain -Wl,--gc-sections does not work, but --gc-sections does.
Nov 05 10:22:30 <CIA-36> fixes #6043
Nov 05 11:06:26 <CIA-36> nbd * r18309 /trunk/package/kernel/modules/video.mk: add missing CONFIG_MEDIA_SUPPORT symbol for v4l (fixes #6108)
Nov 05 11:16:22 <CIA-36> nbd * r18310 /trunk/tools/Makefile: Don't build gmp and mpfr when using external toolchains (based on patch from #6035)
Nov 05 11:55:01 <CIA-36> nbd * r18311 /trunk/package/iproute2/ (Makefile patches/110-extra-ccopts.patch):
Nov 05 11:55:01 <CIA-36> Pass TARGET_CFLAGS using and external variable instead a sed expression that can fail when TARGET_CFLAGS contains the ":" symbol.
Nov 05 11:55:01 <CIA-36> Signed-off: Luigi 'Comio' Mantellini <luigi.mantellini@idf-hit.com>
Nov 05 12:10:26 <CIA-36> nbd * r18312 /trunk/target/linux/generic-2.4/config-default: enable multicast routing for linux 2.4 (#6037)
Nov 05 12:10:53 <CIA-36> nbd * r18313 /branches/8.09/target/linux/generic-2.4/config-default: enable multicast routing (merge from r18312)
Nov 05 13:21:56 <CIA-36> florian * r18314 /trunk/target/linux/rdc/config-2.6.28: [rdc] remove some other useless configuration items
Nov 05 14:21:07 <CIA-36> florian * r18315 /trunk/package/iptables/Makefile:
Nov 05 14:21:07 <CIA-36> [package] remove the patch dir hack in iptables when building with an
Nov 05 14:21:07 <CIA-36> external tree, this did not work at all.
Nov 05 14:35:37 <CIA-36> florian * r18316 /trunk/package/iptables/Makefile: [package] fix breakage introduced with r18315
Nov 05 15:12:50 <sn9> who packaged broadcom-wl-4.150.10.5.3.tar.bz2 for download sources?
Nov 05 15:12:55 <sn9> nbd: you?
Nov 05 15:12:57 <nbd> yes
Nov 05 15:13:32 <{Nico}> Lalloso: here now
Nov 05 15:13:46 <sn9> nbd: /dcc get sn9
Nov 05 15:14:12 <nbd> where is that from?
Nov 05 15:14:45 <sn9> asus gpl tarball that took more than a day to download
Nov 05 15:15:03 <sn9> it is for 2.6
Nov 05 15:15:08 <nbd> yeah
Nov 05 15:16:11 <sn9> i ripped out everything that either had "UNPUBLISHED PROPRIETARY" or seemed extraneous
Nov 05 15:16:30 <nbd> it won't work with our kernels
Nov 05 15:16:40 <nbd> and i do not intend to add older 2.6 kernels to the openwrt build
Nov 05 15:16:55 <nbd> i indent to fix this by getting us a kernel version independent binary
Nov 05 15:17:12 <sn9> that much has changed since 2.6.22?
Nov 05 15:17:56 <nbd> enough to make compat patches completely impractical
Nov 05 15:19:22 <sn9> i think by the time a version-independent binary becomes available, b43 might support the unsupported radios
Nov 05 15:19:40 <sn9> the work is already under way
Nov 05 15:19:42 <nbd> i don't think so
Nov 05 15:20:03 <nbd> way too little development going on
Nov 05 15:20:11 <nbd> and the phys of 11n chips are horribly complex
Nov 05 15:20:21 <nbd> and the drivers keep getting bigger
Nov 05 15:20:26 <nbd> not just because of features
Nov 05 15:20:38 <nbd> but also because of additional complexity in the phy stuff
Nov 05 15:21:03 <nbd> i only need a few days of work where i don't have to take care of other stuff
Nov 05 15:21:07 <nbd> and then i can get us such a binary
Nov 05 15:22:54 <sn9> how can a binary be that version-independent, anyway?
Nov 05 15:23:07 <nbd> it can be if it's not the final .ko
Nov 05 15:23:19 <nbd> but instead a library that contains all of the code and a small os shim
Nov 05 15:23:21 <sn9> that's in the file i sent you
Nov 05 15:23:40 <sn9> oh
Nov 05 15:24:11 <sn9> nvm, that only has the penultimate .o files prior to the .ko
Nov 05 15:24:24 <nbd> yes, those are unusable, because they included system header files
Nov 05 15:24:41 <nbd> i intend to get us one that doesn't use kernel data structures in the blobs
Nov 05 15:24:45 <nbd> but only in the os shim
Nov 05 15:24:53 <sn9> aren't the 2.4 .o files worse?
Nov 05 15:24:55 <nbd> i just have to make it first
Nov 05 15:25:06 <nbd> 2.4 doesn't change
Nov 05 15:25:10 <nbd> at least not much
Nov 05 15:25:22 <nbd> it's legacy crap
Nov 05 15:25:22 <sn9> in terms of including kernel stuff
Nov 05 15:25:50 <nbd> i don't want to invest hours of work for replacing one chunk of unmaintainable crap with yet another chunk of equally unmaintainable crap
Nov 05 15:26:44 <nbd> so if i am going to invest time on getting us newer drivers, i will be working on a proper solution
Nov 05 15:26:51 <sn9> i did not realize there was more maintainability possible with available 2.6 binaries
Nov 05 15:27:20 <nbd> there isn't
Nov 05 15:27:27 <nbd> it needs to be changed in the source code
Nov 05 15:27:37 <nbd> and rebuilt
Nov 05 15:28:16 <sn9> ah, so you have that
Nov 05 15:28:25 <nbd> i can get it any time
Nov 05 15:28:30 <nbd> if i want to
Nov 05 15:28:54 <sn9> directly from bcm, or from a tarball?
Nov 05 15:29:03 <nbd> through contacts, indirectly, and under nda
Nov 05 15:29:11 <sn9> ok
Nov 05 15:30:40 <sn9> once that's done, 2.4 can pretty much be nuked once and for all
Nov 05 15:30:44 <nbd> yeah
Nov 05 15:31:00 <netprince> +1 ^
Nov 05 15:31:32 <nbd> need to finish quite a few other entries of my todo list until i will find time for this, though
Nov 05 15:33:22 <danage> what would that mean for b43?
Nov 05 15:33:50 <nbd> i don't think it would influence b43
Nov 05 15:34:05 <danage> and how come a binary blob solution is considered a "proper" solution for an open source software product like openwrt (excuse the boldness)
Nov 05 15:34:12 <nbd> it's not a proper solutin
Nov 05 15:34:33 <nbd> it's a workaround for a shoddy licensing situation
Nov 05 15:35:07 <nbd> but we don't have the manpower to replace the blob entirely
Nov 05 15:35:28 <nbd> so we'll do something that's at least properly maintainable for us
Nov 05 15:35:37 <danage> makes sense, so essentially it's the same situation as with madwifi
Nov 05 15:35:47 <nbd> yes
Nov 05 15:51:01 <Lalloso> which is openwrt default password?
Nov 05 15:51:14 <nbd> there is no default password
Nov 05 15:51:44 <Lalloso> if i reflash with a brand new firmware
Nov 05 15:51:54 <Lalloso> how do i know which password to use?
Nov 05 15:52:00 <Lalloso> and login also ^_^
Nov 05 15:52:01 <nbd> then you log in through telnet or the web interface without password
Nov 05 15:52:03 <nbd> and set one
Nov 05 15:52:12 <Lalloso> i have ssh but not telnet i fear
Nov 05 15:52:15 <nbd> after that, telnet is automatically disabled
Nov 05 15:52:22 <nbd> and you can only log in through ssh
Nov 05 15:52:30 <sn9> or web
Nov 05 15:52:30 <nbd> after a fresh flash, openwrt never has a password set
Nov 05 15:52:38 <nbd> it doesn't use passwords from nvram or similar
Nov 05 15:52:40 <Lalloso> okay i see
Nov 05 16:03:04 <netprince> ping xmff: r18284, opkg update works, I can see the apps listed in /tmp/opkg-lists/apps, but opkg list doesn't show them as available
Nov 05 16:03:40 <jow_laptop> interesting
Nov 05 16:03:47 * jow_laptop = xmff
Nov 05 16:03:59 <netprince> they are all x86 arch, and I normally get 'no apps available for this arch' error if the arch is the problem
Nov 05 16:04:32 <swalker> nbd: can you bump the orbit-lab PKG_SOURCE_URL 10->11 for mac80211?
Nov 05 16:04:40 <netprince> xmff: but my custom app which is in a diff location worked fine
Nov 05 16:04:55 <nbd> swalker: oh yes, i keep forgetting about that
Nov 05 16:05:54 <CIA-36> nbd * r18317 /trunk/package/mac80211/Makefile: fix up the download location for the updated mac80211 version (thx, swalker)
Nov 05 16:06:22 <netprince> s/xmff/jow_laptop/g :)
Nov 05 16:08:04 <jow_laptop> netprince: and "apps" is a standard feed?
Nov 05 16:09:10 <netprince> not sure what you mean by 'standard', its a dump from my build to my webserver, I suppose that could be the problem, I've done it this way for years though
Nov 05 16:09:42 <jow_laptop> I see ok
Nov 05 16:09:48 <netprince> I can send you a link, but I'd rather not post it here
Nov 05 16:10:01 <jow_laptop> I think the Packages file would be enough
Nov 05 16:11:46 <CIA-36> nbd * r18318 /trunk/package/kernel/modules/other.mk: fix kmod-leds-alix (#6079, #6105)
Nov 05 16:12:11 <jow_laptop> netprince: but if you see it is just your local build published I can test it here as well
Nov 05 16:12:16 <CIA-36> nbd * r18319 /trunk/package/kernel/modules/other.mk: oops, forgot the autoload
Nov 05 16:12:17 <jow_laptop> s/see/say/
Nov 05 16:12:45 <netprince> jow_laptop: http://openwrt.pastebin.ca/1658495
Nov 05 16:13:28 <jow_laptop> and the rest of your firmware uses architecture x86 too? Or still i368 ?
Nov 05 16:13:39 <jow_laptop> e.g. the other  feeds
Nov 05 16:14:12 <netprince> yeah, I started producing both archs in order to support routers before and after the change
Nov 05 16:14:39 <jow_laptop> ok
Nov 05 16:14:55 <jow_laptop> will test once I'm at home
Nov 05 16:15:17 <netprince> np, leme know if I can help
Nov 05 16:16:34 <CIA-36> nbd * r18320 /trunk/target/linux/generic-2.6/ (9 files in 7 dirs): remove the old alix led junk which was replaced by upstream code
Nov 05 16:48:57 <Lalloso> {Nico}: i've been in mettings up to now
Nov 05 16:49:03 <Lalloso> but we need to speak
Nov 05 16:49:18 <Lalloso> i'm going into another meeting now i hope to catch you hope another day
Nov 05 16:52:29 <sn9> [florian]: config still hangs without CONFIG_IBM_ASM
Nov 05 16:58:30 <swalker> anybody want to checkin the patch on #5745 and close out #5929?
Nov 05 16:59:37 <{Nico}> Lalloso: np, i would hang here more often now
Nov 05 17:37:36 <hamvil> hi, is any of the developers reading?
Nov 05 17:37:55 <sn9> occasionally
Nov 05 17:38:19 <blogic> sn9: :)
Nov 05 17:38:21 <hamvil> :)
Nov 05 17:38:33 <hamvil> i have a question
Nov 05 17:38:34 <blogic> hamvil: what do you want to ask ?
Nov 05 17:38:42 <hamvil> can I have a profile name with -
Nov 05 17:38:45 <hamvil> ?
Nov 05 17:38:55 <blogic> hamvil: ask nbd
Nov 05 17:38:59 <blogic> but i think so
Nov 05 17:39:22 <hamvil> base-files-$(PROFILE) is not copied
Nov 05 17:39:28 <blogic> hamvil: or just try it out :=
Nov 05 17:39:35 <hamvil> basically the $()PROFILE var is empty at that point
Nov 05 17:39:46 <hamvil> yes I tried and it did not work
Nov 05 17:39:49 <hamvil> :)
Nov 05 17:40:27 <blogic> does it work with no - in the name ?
Nov 05 17:40:33 <hamvil> yes
Nov 05 17:40:35 <blogic> use a _ instead
Nov 05 17:40:43 <blogic> then you hva the answr right there
Nov 05 17:41:01 <blogic> - is wondowsish anyway
Nov 05 17:41:08 <blogic> _ is much nicer
Nov 05 17:41:17 <blogic> next you want to add '\ ' :D
Nov 05 17:41:18 <hamvil> well... i did not know if it was by design or if it was abug
Nov 05 17:41:20 <sn9> can someone please backport r18292 to 8.09?
Nov 05 17:41:34 <hamvil> ok I'll use _
Nov 05 17:42:08 <blogic> hamvil: might be a bug yes
Nov 05 17:45:33 <sn9> anyone?
Nov 05 17:54:36 <sn9> people can't build 8.09 with feeds
Nov 05 19:28:36 <xmff> sn9: dns has been redelegated to the backup, works for me now
Nov 05 19:28:50 <sn9> ok
Nov 05 20:09:10 <Otacon22> xmff, hi
Nov 05 20:09:23 <Otacon22> yesterday you asked me for exact error message
Nov 05 20:09:28 <Otacon22> take a look here:
Nov 05 20:09:29 <Otacon22> http://pastebin.com/m4a2717c
Nov 05 20:09:57 <Otacon22> it's the same also with the driver wext
Nov 05 20:10:32 <xmff> add -dd  to the command line
Nov 05 20:11:31 <Otacon22> http://pastebin.com/m28fe2925
Nov 05 20:11:36 <Otacon22> this is wpa_supplicant.conf
Nov 05 20:11:45 <Otacon22> xmff, i can try only tomorrow
Nov 05 20:11:49 <Otacon22> i can't try now
Nov 05 20:12:02 <Otacon22> so i need to know all possibile causes of this error
Nov 05 20:12:16 <Otacon22> *all possibiles reasons
Nov 05 20:12:45 <xmff> -dd will tell most likely
Nov 05 21:25:34 <CIA-36> nbd * r18321 /trunk/package/uboot-ifxmips/patches/110-compile_fix.patch: uboot-ifxmips: fix compile errors with the cs toolchain due to non-PIC code
Nov 05 21:33:58 <CIA-36> lars * r18322 /feeds/phone/freerunner-alsa-scenarios/files/ (7 files): [packages] freerunner-alsa-scenarios: Remove obsolete control.
Nov 05 22:29:17 <CIA-36> nbd * r18323 /trunk/package/iproute2/Makefile:
Nov 05 22:29:17 <CIA-36> iproute2: compile the static libraries with $(FPIC), as they are reused by other packages for inclusion into shared libraries
Nov 05 22:29:17 <CIA-36> should fix collectd build failures on mips
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Nov 05 23:40:14 <CIA-36> florian * r18324 /trunk/target/linux/rdc/config-2.6.30: [rdc] strip down even more the kernel configuration
Nov 06 01:51:51 <fofware> I'm trying to solder a serial port to one WRT54GL, I did read wiki, but I don't have too clear if i need a kit to it work or kit is to have 2 serial ports?
Nov 06 02:00:31 <fofware> ok, now I understand, I need other circuit to use serial port
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