**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Apr 24 02:59:56 2010 Apr 24 03:00:17 build #60 of avr32 is complete: Exception [exception failed slave lost shell_10 compile_12] Build details are at http://tksite.gotdns.org:8010/builders/avr32/builds/60 Apr 24 03:00:18 build #61 of ar71xx is complete: Exception [exception failed slave lost shell_10 compile_12] Build details are at http://tksite.gotdns.org:8010/builders/ar71xx/builds/61 Apr 24 03:00:20 build #59 of brcm63xx is complete: Exception [exception failed slave lost shell_10 compile_12] Build details are at http://tksite.gotdns.org:8010/builders/brcm63xx/builds/59 Apr 24 06:03:34 ralph * r21117 /trunk/package/uboot-lantiq/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [uboot-lantiq] fix command line buffer length, fixes mtdparts Apr 24 06:18:03 ralph * r21118 /branches/backfire/package/uboot-lantiq/ (files/include/configs/ifx-common.h patches/300-httpd.patch): [backfire] merges r21117 Apr 24 06:54:19 acoul * r21119 /trunk/target/linux/brcm47xx/ (6 files in 3 dirs): brcm47xx: add sysfs attributes to ssb devices & new defines for registers and device ids (credits: Bernhard Loos) Apr 24 09:06:12 <_trine> ipv6 is broken on trunk for my wndr3700 Apr 24 09:06:45 <_trine> who maintains this? Apr 24 09:13:36 <_trine> looks like a problem either with the switch or how the bridge is working Apr 24 09:17:55 <_trine> this is applicable to the latest trunk as of yesterday Apr 24 09:27:56 <[florian]> ali1234: I assume the interrupt handler of the spi driver never gets called, thus the wait_for_completion hanging forever Apr 24 09:28:15 <[florian]> ali1234: either I did not eable interrupts at all in the spi core, or the interrupt does not get properly routed Apr 24 09:33:50 <_trine> [florian], did you see my message re ipv6 Apr 24 09:34:03 <_trine> it's broke Apr 24 09:34:10 <[florian]> _trine: be more specific please Apr 24 09:34:39 <_trine> ok Apr 24 09:35:42 [florian]: yeah that's right, handler is not called. the interrupt setup looks OK though Apr 24 09:35:45 <[florian]> where specifically is ipv6 broken? Apr 24 09:36:24 clocks look Ok too, assuming all the stuff in regs.h is correct Apr 24 09:36:30 <_trine> on my wndr3700 ipv6 is broken in the sense that it will work for example with IRC and connects ok however it will not let you connect to ipv6 from your PC;;; in other words ipv6 works inside the router but not from the PC side which means you can't connect to ipv6.google.com etc Apr 24 09:36:47 <_trine> this is on trunk I compiled yesterday Apr 24 09:36:56 <[florian]> ali1234: stuff in regs.h is fine as far as I can tell Apr 24 09:37:04 what's the source for it? Apr 24 09:37:16 <_trine> I am now on one of my other routers which had older code flashed and that works no problem Apr 24 09:37:19 <[florian]> ali1234: source for correctness? Apr 24 09:37:22 yeah Apr 24 09:37:29 <[florian]> ali1234: broadcom consumer release 4 Apr 24 09:37:33 i mean is it from a source release, or reverse engineered, or what? Apr 24 09:37:43 ok, so probably good then Apr 24 09:38:08 <[florian]> ali1234: most likely the problem is in arch/mips/bcm63xx/cpu.c Apr 24 09:38:15 <[florian]> let me double check somethig Apr 24 09:38:20 well i'm going to look at disassembly of CFE later, it does some stuff with the SPI memory registers Apr 24 09:39:25 it does seem to me that everything the driver is supposed to write does get written in the right places Apr 24 09:39:37 <[florian]> that's also what I think Apr 24 09:39:44 just that the CMD_DONE interrupt never fires Apr 24 09:39:51 <[florian]> yup Apr 24 09:40:04 <[florian]> if the clock was not enabled, it would end-up in a bus error Apr 24 09:40:16 <[florian]> that's what happened the first time I forgot about the enet clk for bcm6338 Apr 24 09:40:50 <[florian]> the irq number is also correct Apr 24 09:41:15 <[florian]> and I do not think it was messed up by adding IRQ_SPI in the irq enum in cpu. Apr 24 09:41:19 <[florian]> h Apr 24 09:43:14 <[florian]> _trine: most likely ipv6 forwarding is no longer enabled Apr 24 09:43:26 <_trine> it is Apr 24 09:43:39 <_trine> it's 1 Apr 24 09:44:45 <[florian]> ok, can you check if your PC has an ipv6 prefix? Apr 24 09:45:05 <_trine> it's all working now Apr 24 09:45:27 <_trine> on my other router wrt160nl older code Apr 24 09:45:55 <_trine> but not on the newest trunk on my wndr3700 Apr 24 09:46:43 <[florian]> you are using the 6 scripts right? Apr 24 09:47:26 <_trine> using the wndr3700 I had no connectivity all all ipv6 wise from my PC Apr 24 09:47:38 <_trine> yes 6tunnel Apr 24 09:49:21 <_trine> and there was a small typo in the default /etc/config/network which is unrelated to this ipv6 problem Apr 24 09:49:49 <_trine> there was a missing trailing ' Apr 24 09:50:03 <_trine> at the end of gateway Apr 24 09:50:30 <_trine> this meant udhcpc would throw a wobbler Apr 24 09:51:09 <[florian]> ok, I think it is fixed by: "[PATCH][package] 6scripts: Fix route add in 6tunnel.init" Apr 24 09:51:15 <[florian]> _trine: can you try that? Apr 24 09:51:19 <[florian]> ali1234: I will be right back Apr 24 09:51:41 <_trine> [florian], yes when was the patch done Apr 24 09:51:58 <[florian]> _trine: a couple of hours ago if I recall right Apr 24 09:52:06 <_trine> ok Apr 24 09:52:13 <[florian]> _trine: are you subscribed to openwrt-devel? Apr 24 09:52:13 <_trine> I will try it Apr 24 09:52:19 <[florian]> if not let me paste you the direct link to it Apr 24 09:52:27 <_trine> ok Apr 24 09:53:11 <[florian]> bah it has not be archived yet Apr 24 09:53:30 <[florian]> http://openwrt.pastebin.com/rLMVVDFN Apr 24 09:55:31 <[florian]> _trine: I will be back later, tell me if that works Apr 24 09:55:38 <_trine> will do Apr 24 09:55:41 <[florian]> _trine: you can fix it directly on the router Apr 24 09:56:03 <_trine> yes i could just add the route Apr 24 09:56:25 <_trine> is that correct Apr 24 09:56:51 <_trine> is that patch now in trunk Apr 24 09:57:06 <_trine> can't see it Apr 24 10:16:19 _trine: yes it is Apr 24 10:16:36 <_trine> xMff, where is it please Apr 24 10:17:02 https://dev.openwrt.org/changeset/21103 Apr 24 10:17:39 <_trine> I have been struggling with this for days now Apr 24 10:17:52 <_trine> I will recompile Apr 24 10:18:16 you can just edit /etc/init.d/6scripts on your device to see whether it even solves your issue Apr 24 10:19:13 <_trine> I am on another router wrt160nl which has older code and works at the moment but I will swap back to my wndr3700 and get back to you right away Apr 24 11:01:08 nico * r21120 /trunk/package/kernel/modules/ (001-depends.mk other.mk sound.mk usb.mk): package/kernel: use macros for hid & input Apr 24 11:07:43 jow * r21121 /trunk/package/uhttpd/ (Makefile src/uhttpd-cgi.c src/uhttpd-utils.c src/uhttpd.c): Apr 24 11:07:43 [package] uhttpd: Apr 24 11:07:43 - ignore authentication realms that refer to user accounts with no password set yet (X-Wrt compatibility) Apr 24 11:07:43 - fix off-by-one in CGI header parsing, fixes cgi programs that emit bad header lines (AsteriskGUI compatibility) Apr 24 11:07:43 - bump version Apr 24 11:10:41 <_trine> xMff, there's something weird happening here Apr 24 11:10:58 <_trine> now I can't update my endpoint IP on HE tunnel Apr 24 11:11:13 <_trine> and I have ICMP on Apr 24 11:12:37 <_trine> when I ping my ip address sometimes it works and sometimes not Apr 24 11:13:17 jow * r21122 /branches/backfire/package/uhttpd/ (Makefile src/uhttpd-cgi.c src/uhttpd-utils.c src/uhttpd.c): [backfire] merge r21121 Apr 24 11:21:41 <_trine> does 81.109.235.209 ping? Apr 24 11:22:20 Destination Port Unreachable - yes but it is firewalled Apr 24 11:22:37 <_trine> it pings here Apr 24 11:22:43 I think you need to accept pings Apr 24 11:22:47 not here Apr 24 11:22:53 <_trine> but HE tunnel will not let me update the endpoint Apr 24 11:23:02 <_trine> this is very odd Apr 24 11:23:05 yeah because you do not reply to pings Apr 24 11:23:19 <_trine> yes but I have it pinging here Apr 24 11:23:26 from where? Apr 24 11:23:30 within your lan? Apr 24 11:23:33 <_trine> from my netbook Apr 24 11:23:48 you need to check from the outside Apr 24 11:23:51 <_trine> connected to a public access point Apr 24 11:23:57 <_trine> with wifi Apr 24 11:24:20 well either the ip you gave me is wrong or you filter traffc by source Apr 24 11:24:22 <_trine> and ICMP is enabled in the firewall Apr 24 11:24:38 From 81.109.235.209 icmp_seq=1 Destination Port Unreachable Apr 24 11:25:00 show me your /etc/config/firewall Apr 24 11:26:25 <_trine> I will PM it Apr 24 11:41:36 nico * r21123 /trunk/package/kernel/Makefile: package/kernel: load target specific modules .mk files after generic ones Apr 24 11:42:19 nico * r21124 /trunk/package/kernel/modules/ (9 files): package/kernel: rename KernelPackage/*/Depends to AddDepends/* Apr 24 11:50:45 nico * r21125 /trunk/package/kernel/modules/ (fs.mk nls.mk): package/kernel: move NLS modules to their own file & submenu Apr 24 12:09:32 nico * r21126 /trunk/package/kernel/modules/fs.mk: [cosmetic] package/kernel: sort FS package definitions Apr 24 12:17:52 nico * r21127 /trunk/package/kernel/modules/nls.mk: package/kernel: set correct submenu entry for NLS packages Apr 24 12:29:53 nico * r21128 /trunk/package/kernel/modules/001-depends.mk: package/kernel: allow additional dependencies as arguments to AddDepends macros Apr 24 13:06:08 nico * r21129 /trunk/target/linux/rdc/modules.mk: target/rdc: remove bad ide-core package override Apr 24 13:14:24 nico * r21130 /trunk/target/linux/ (11 files in 10 dirs): target: remove CONFIG_CRC16 override (closes: #7194) Apr 24 13:16:29 nico * r21131 /branches/backfire/target/linux/ (4 files in 4 dirs): [backfire] backport r21130 Apr 24 13:34:53 nico * r21132 /trunk/ (18 files in 14 dirs): package/kernel: move target specific modules to their own target files Apr 24 13:43:31 nico * r21133 /trunk/package/kernel/modules/block.mk: [cosmetic] package/kernel: sort block package definitions Apr 24 13:45:07 nico * r21134 /trunk/package/kernel/modules/ (block.mk other.mk): package/kernel: move block2mtd to block.mk Apr 24 13:46:33 nico * r21135 /trunk/package/kernel/modules/ (other.mk sound.mk): package/kernel: move pcspkr to sound.mk Apr 24 13:53:32 nico * r21136 /trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs): package/kernel: move PCMCIA modules to their own file & submenu Apr 24 14:08:51 nico * r21137 /trunk/ (6 files in 4 dirs): package/kernel: use common gpio- & wdt- prefixes for GPIO and watchdog module names Apr 24 14:13:41 nico * r21138 /trunk/package/kernel/modules/other.mk: package/kernel: add missing bits from [21137] (oops) Apr 24 15:20:44 nico * r21139 /trunk/package/kernel/modules/other.mk: package/kernel: add another round of missing bits from [21137] & [21138] (oops again) Apr 24 15:21:56 nico * r21140 /trunk/package/kernel/modules/other.mk: [cosmetic] package/kernel: sort package definitions in other.mk Apr 24 15:36:20 <_trine> well I have tried and tried but I can't get ipv6 working anymore between my PC and router Apr 24 15:36:44 <_trine> it seems well broken and i have just compiled and flashed 21138 Apr 24 16:03:10 the network code looks very ugly Apr 24 16:03:26 in other distributions they also rely intensively in scripts? Apr 24 16:06:42 no they rely on network manager which is even uglier but hidden by a gui Apr 24 16:07:06 or they have some simple boot-time only network setup scripts Apr 24 16:07:54 also don't confuse "ugly" with "don't understand" ;) Apr 24 16:09:09 it's not the case now... Apr 24 16:09:49 I have 2 patchs pending with thepeople, one because static and dhcp doesn't accept gateways outside subnet Apr 24 16:10:07 looks there isn't a way to put a 3G interface coming up on boot Apr 24 16:10:27 again, gateways outside the local interface subnet are _wrong_ Apr 24 16:10:33 and "ifup" doesn't look to handle well concurrent calls... Apr 24 16:10:42 again? Apr 24 16:10:52 it was discussed a while ago Apr 24 16:11:02 why is it wrong? RFC? Apr 24 16:11:07 if you need to specify a gw outside of the local subnet you're doing something wrong Apr 24 16:11:16 it cannot work Apr 24 16:11:29 well, I'm not, my Thomson router is doing that Apr 24 16:11:37 how is the router supposed to know how to reach the gw without a subnet routed towards it? Apr 24 16:12:30 umhh...route add default gw ***.***.***.*** dev *** Apr 24 16:12:49 there is the "dev" thing Apr 24 16:13:14 so it could accept it, it just doesn't Apr 24 16:13:25 but ubuntu takes it, for example Apr 24 16:13:43 be more specific Apr 24 16:14:02 but the answer is: it is supposed to now how to reach, because you tell it how Apr 24 16:14:07 I doubt ubuntu accepts a gw on an uncofigured interface because no subnet is poiting to that gw Apr 24 16:14:11 you specify the interface Apr 24 16:14:13 it will just answer with no route to host Apr 24 16:14:17 wrong Apr 24 16:14:38 show me a successful case _without_ an appropriate subnet defined Apr 24 16:14:47 ? Apr 24 16:14:57 delete all routes Apr 24 16:15:12 and try to add default route with gateway Apr 24 16:15:22 won't work Apr 24 16:15:24 not manually! Apr 24 16:16:02 you get a DHCP configuration like "23.24.25.26, netmask 255.255.0.0, gw 40.40.40.40" Apr 24 16:16:05 what is wrong with this? Apr 24 16:16:40 you reach 23.24.*.* by sending to this interface to the destination IP Apr 24 16:16:52 40.40.40.40/16 != 23.24.25.26/16 Apr 24 16:16:53 you reach anything else by sending to this interface with the gateway IP Apr 24 16:17:01 40.40.0.0 != 23.24.0.0 Apr 24 16:17:05 that is wrong Apr 24 16:17:08 why? Apr 24 16:17:31 because the router does not know how to reach 40.40.40.40 Apr 24 16:17:54 it's yes it knows, trough that interface, what would be the other option? Apr 24 16:18:09 it might work if the gw is in the same ethernet segment because arp lookups might find it Apr 24 16:18:19 it will fail big time if the gw is more than hop away Apr 24 16:18:48 or if the underlying link does not support arp Apr 24 16:18:48 ofcourse in the same segment! Apr 24 16:18:54 tunnel interfaces like ppp for example Apr 24 16:19:03 gateway must always be in the same segment, that's the porpuose of the gateway! Apr 24 16:19:21 pppoe accepts and works Apr 24 16:19:23 nope it must not if properly routed Apr 24 16:20:18 you could of course unconditionally add a host route towards the gw on a given interface Apr 24 16:20:23 but that will break other setups Apr 24 16:20:40 you are thinking about the possibility of setting a gateway in interface A configuration, but having that routed trough interfaca B? Apr 24 16:20:45 no Apr 24 16:21:26 so what would be the config in which gateway would have to be more than one hop away? Apr 24 16:21:38 you route the subnet the gw is in Apr 24 16:22:02 either directly on the interface or via an intermediate gw Apr 24 16:24:24 could you specify a "intermediate gw" configuration? I don't get it Apr 24 16:27:40 http://openwrt.pastebin.com/7Zh2vtDx this is what happens if I try to configure your dhcp lease above Apr 24 16:28:49 http://openwrt.pastebin.com/YBWmZ1RP it only works after adding a subnet covering 40.40.40.40 Apr 24 16:29:27 I know that Apr 24 16:30:10 what I saying is that I don't think 1- it's a "RFC" illegal config; 2- Ubuntu and Windows supports it; 3- I don't see any disadvantage supporting it Apr 24 16:30:27 sorry, don't think 1, think 2 and 3 Apr 24 16:30:30 :P Apr 24 16:30:53 the dhcp server should push the appropriate rules in its response Apr 24 16:31:07 erm routes Apr 24 16:31:14 there are dhcp options for that Apr 24 16:32:01 if there are no classless route options attached to the lease then it is wrong because the provided information is not enough to setup proper routing without client side heuristics Apr 24 16:33:19 ok, so it's a illegal config according to that Apr 24 16:33:30 I will study it, thanks for pointing Apr 24 16:33:46 you should capture the dhcp response and examine it with wireshark Apr 24 16:33:50 I did Apr 24 16:33:53 check if there are option 121 fields attached Apr 24 16:34:45 or option 33 Apr 24 16:34:53 It was last week, cant check it now. Apr 24 16:42:39 xMff: actually I could, but I didn't find yet how to export the package to show you Apr 24 16:43:14 tcpdump can create .pcap files which you can open in wireshark Apr 24 16:44:58 http://pastebin.com/VFm4HRd0 Apr 24 16:45:21 was "print" option, then save to file...I'm using wireshark(on windows) Apr 24 16:59:56 Hi there, I'm trying to build a generic Orion based image to try on a Dlink DNS-323, using a custom kernel .config the build gets killed by "...openwrt-wrt350nv2-uImage too big (0x00107D0C)" Is there an easy way to disable WRT350Nv2-Builder whilst still using Orion/default profile? Apr 24 17:01:03 the size checks are typically implemented in the firmware build toolsd Apr 24 17:01:27 or in target/linux//image/Makefile Apr 24 17:02:47 xMff: ok, any idea of the easiest way to disable building of these specific images without creating a new profile? I'm not very good with buildroot-ng style makefiles! Apr 24 17:03:09 it should just skip some images that are too big Apr 24 17:03:16 it should still build the generic stuff though Apr 24 17:04:05 the build process bombs out when attempting: Apr 24 17:04:05 mtd kernel input file /mnt/data-main/devel/openwrt/trunk/bin/orion/openwrt-wrt350nv2-uImage too big (0x00107D0C) Apr 24 17:04:05 ...done checking mtd data Apr 24 17:04:05 make[5]: *** [install] Error 1 Apr 24 17:04:43 ah Apr 24 17:04:49 either patch tools/wrt350nv2-builder/src/wrt350nv2-builder.c Apr 24 17:04:54 and there is no option in menuconfig that I can see Apr 24 17:05:10 or edit target/linux/orion/image/Makefile and commet out the wrt350n specific stuff Apr 24 17:05:31 ok, great , thanks a lot :-) Apr 24 17:13:31 xMff: howdy. Apr 24 17:14:08 looking in package/ for trunk and not seeing asterisk. where is it? Apr 24 17:15:18 also, how closely integrated is the firewall in openwrt? I work a bit on Arno's Iptables Firewall (AIF), and it has some good features. I'd like to add support for that. Apr 24 17:16:30 and... one other question: where are the various ways of laying out the CF and filesystems documented? Apr 24 17:24:05 nbd * r21141 /trunk/package/mac80211/patches/550-ath9k_pending_work.patch: ath9k: merge some more ar9300 fixes Apr 24 17:24:09 nbd * r21142 /trunk/package/hostapd/ (9 files in 2 dirs): hostapd: update to 20100418 (0.7.2) Apr 24 17:24:16 nbd * r21143 /trunk/target/linux/ar71xx/files/arch/mips/ar71xx/irq.c: Apr 24 17:24:16 ar71xx: fix a wifi card stability issue Apr 24 17:24:16 when we receive a pci/ahb interrupt, we need to flush pending data for dma Apr 24 17:24:16 from the device, otherwise the tx path may get stuck if the completion flag Apr 24 17:24:17 of the dma descriptor is not updated at the time the tx interrupt arrives. Apr 24 17:54:51 craigc * r21144 /packages/net/multiwan/ (Makefile files/usr/bin/multiwan): [packages] multiwan: adjusted DNS rules to send out via correct interface. Apr 24 18:54:39 philipp64: asterisk is in the packages feed Apr 24 18:55:17 philipp64: firewall is not that closesly integrated, but the uci firewall is the only hotplug aware solution until now Apr 24 19:23:57 acoul * r21145 /trunk/target/linux/brcm47xx/ (3 files in 3 dirs): brcm47xx: add missing bits & bytes on r21119 Apr 24 19:54:57 acoul * r21146 /trunk/tools/quilt/Makefile: tools: update quilt to 0.48 Apr 24 20:11:10 acoul * r21147 /trunk/tools/gmp/Makefile: tools: update gmp to 4.3.2 Apr 24 20:55:30 swalker * r21148 /packages/utils/petitboot/Makefile: [packages] petitboot: store the git hash in the PKG_REV variable Apr 24 21:01:41 xMff: hotplug? how do you mean? Apr 24 21:02:11 reacting on interface events like dhcp lease updates, pppoe reconnects, etc. Apr 24 21:11:19 ah, got it. Apr 24 21:18:22 xMff: and what's the way to enable "phone", for instance, in feeds.conf.default? you uncomment it in the file, and then what? is there a make target that needs to be made? Apr 24 21:34:07 ralph * r21149 /trunk/package/ifxos/patches/110-fix-2.6.32-wakeup.patch: [ifxos] fix .32 issue Apr 24 21:35:52 ralph * r21150 /trunk/target/linux/ifxmips/ (106 files in 24 dirs): [ifxmips] add .32 patches Apr 24 22:02:06 philipp64: from trunk dir do: ./scripts/feeds update phone Apr 24 22:02:29 and Apr 24 22:02:37 ./scripts/feeds install -a -p phone Apr 24 22:02:54 to pull all packages from the fon feed into the buildroot Apr 24 22:02:58 oh yeah, forgot that bit :) Apr 24 22:03:06 *phone feed Apr 24 22:03:08 :P Apr 24 22:04:19 also, if you do './scripts/feeds --help' there is a useful usage summary for guidance Apr 24 22:11:06 anyone had experience of getting a u-boot based device to boot a kernel successfully? Apr 24 22:53:02 bodksi1: ok, but "phone" doesn't include asterisk it seems... where does asterisk live? Apr 24 22:55:20 philipp64: ./scripts/feeds search asterisk :) Apr 24 22:58:47 this tells me that it is in 'packages' feed, if you do './scripts/feeds update -a' and then do './scripts/feeds install packages' you will find it in menuconfig Apr 24 22:59:05 ./scripts/feeds install asterisk1.4 Apr 24 22:59:07 or Apr 24 22:59:10 ./scripts/feeds install asterisk1.6 Apr 24 22:59:12 ;) Apr 24 23:01:21 ok, then what needs to be rebuilt? Apr 24 23:01:38 first of all you have to select it in menuconfig Apr 24 23:01:59 afterwards you can do make package/asterisk1.[46]/compile Apr 24 23:02:10 or just make -j4 world Apr 24 23:02:46 <_trine> xMff, when is jushog likely to be about? Apr 24 23:02:56 hmm Apr 24 23:02:58 varies Apr 24 23:03:21 10:00 - 20:00 CET maybe Apr 24 23:03:34 or just drop him a mail Apr 24 23:05:08 <_trine> if you see him around before me can you mention the possible rtl8366s switch problem re ipv6 Apr 24 23:05:16 what's the difference between building a package as 'Y' and building it as 'M'? Apr 24 23:05:46 Y gets included in the image and pkg is built as installable .ipkg, M only builds the .ipk without embed the package Apr 24 23:34:54 xMff and bodksi1: what would people think of adding "bundles" to menuconfig? i.e. I could turn on "foo" and it would in turn "select" a list of packages? like "pbx" could select "asterisk16", "asterisk16-chanlocal", "asterisk16-voicemail", etc. Apr 24 23:35:49 two weeks later we have flamewars about asterisk 1.4 vs .16 vs freeswitch and end up with bundles like pbk-asterisk-1.4, pbx-asterisk-1.6 and pbx-freeswitch :D Apr 24 23:37:40 well, that's fine too. I'm not opposed to having more than one bundle... I just want to be able to select a single bundle and get everything I want be included... rather than selecting "a la carte" and possibly leaving something out by accident. Apr 24 23:37:57 so... should we call them "bundles" or "bouquets"? Apr 24 23:38:10 I call them collections or metapackages Apr 24 23:38:13 but does not matter Apr 24 23:38:39 ok... I'll try and work on a prototype tomorrow and submit it for review... Apr 25 00:08:05 philipp64: I like that really like that idea Apr 25 00:08:15 philipp64: I can proofread your patch if you'd like Apr 25 00:09:32 nomenclature -- packagesets? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Apr 25 02:59:56 2010