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Sep 23 05:54:54 <builder> build #127 of atheros is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://tksite.gotdns.org:8010/builders/atheros/builds/127
Sep 23 09:13:11 <dtatulea> hi, make does oldconfig for the kernel twice? I have configured only one build for one architecture... Is this normal?
Sep 23 12:49:34 <builder> build #78 of x86 is complete: Failure [failed shell_6]  Build details are at http://tksite.gotdns.org:8010/builders/x86/builds/78
Sep 23 13:03:53 <Alicemirror> Hi to all!
Sep 23 13:03:54 <Alicemirror> can I ask someone few questions about devel participation in target building ?
Sep 23 13:07:14 <blogic> dont ask to ask plz :)
Sep 23 13:09:25 <Alicemirror> :D I'm workting to create new targets
Sep 23 13:10:14 <Alicemirror> for Platforms base on arm: Cortex - M3 (Is possible it's not possible) and NXP Lpc 3140 and 3250
Sep 23 13:10:34 <blogic> those are mmu less unit right ?
Sep 23 13:11:12 <Alicemirror> right, but for lpx31xx there is no problem regarding hardware, there is sufficient flash memory and more.
Sep 23 13:11:29 <Alicemirror> in the case of smartfusion cortex-M3 actel seys that it's impossible.
Sep 23 13:12:05 <Alicemirror> I'm thinking to a very small kernel version (200-300 Kb) with the filesystem running externally as in OWRT is possible, I read.
Sep 23 13:12:20 <blogic> you need 4/16 ram/flash normally
Sep 23 13:12:30 <blogic> with a lot of work 2/8 is possible
Sep 23 13:12:40 <blogic> however owrt does not support this atm
Sep 23 13:12:41 <Alicemirror> then I found some docs on how-to create new targets for kamikaze but nothing for Backfire.
Sep 23 13:12:55 <Alicemirror> But I should use Backfire because there is a lot o innovations.
Sep 23 13:12:56 <blogic> the docs are coherent between backfire and kamikaze
Sep 23 13:13:07 <blogic> 95% of the docs will still be valid
Sep 23 13:13:07 <Alicemirror> ok, this is a good news :)
Sep 23 13:13:14 <Alicemirror> very thanks ;D
Sep 23 13:13:20 <blogic> my pleasure
Sep 23 13:14:06 <Alicemirror> the problem is that I kaven't yet found a doc on how to create new targets, only for packages there is a good documentation.
Sep 23 13:14:53 <blogic> look at the existing targets
Sep 23 13:15:13 <blogic> are the chipsets you want to support already supported by the kernel ?
Sep 23 13:15:16 <Alicemirror> I imagine, the question is if this is sufficient.
Sep 23 13:15:24 <Alicemirror> yes, these are arm
Sep 23 13:15:31 <Alicemirror> no problem for this aspect.
Sep 23 13:15:35 <blogic> well
Sep 23 13:15:47 <blogic> arm is supported, but is the actual soc supported ?
Sep 23 13:15:57 <Alicemirror> I'm already working on a - very bad - lpc target version for 3140
Sep 23 13:16:05 <blogic> ok
Sep 23 13:16:18 <Alicemirror> created by a collegue that disappeared and that create a very confused version, custom and non linear with the others.
Sep 23 13:16:31 <Alicemirror> plus, working on kamikaze
Sep 23 13:17:02 <Alicemirror> I hope mi questions aren't stupid, but this is my first approach with openwrt.
Sep 23 13:18:33 <Alicemirror> the first part of the work, the porting of the old lpc3140 target from kamikaze to backfire is not for myself, but in the meantime I have in mind to work on the lpc 3250 an arm chipset again, that should be open
Sep 23 13:18:46 <Alicemirror> both the hardware - we are developing actually - and al the software.
Sep 23 13:19:18 <Alicemirror> How can I interact with openwrt for a version for this cpu / hardware so it is public released ?
Sep 23 13:20:20 <blogic> post the patches on the devel mailing list
Sep 23 13:20:36 <blogic> that is the normal way to get them merged or talk to one of the developers that has svn access
Sep 23 13:20:48 <blogic> in general getting things merged is rather easy if they work
Sep 23 13:25:29 <Alicemirror> for patches you inted all the directory structure of the new releases for the target ?
Sep 23 13:25:39 <blogic> yes
Sep 23 13:26:25 <Alicemirror> ok, so I subscribe to the devel ml.
Sep 23 13:29:23 <Alicemirror> I have another pressing question about open wrt. in LPC 3250 one of the most interesting things is that include a good video board. And it's just and embedded system. Take a look to a commercial example here: http://embeddedartists.com/products/kits/lpc3250_kit.php
Sep 23 13:29:55 <Alicemirror> Is right that openwrt can work with a graphical interface ?
Sep 23 13:30:47 <builder> build #89 of pxcab is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://tksite.gotdns.org:8010/builders/pxcab/builds/89
Sep 23 13:31:29 <cshore> blogic: a question about your new mount daemon
Sep 23 13:32:30 <cshore> blogic: does it work in preinit?  i.e. can we still do extroot, especially the new feature I'll commit soon which is extroot as modules (i.e. not having to be built into image)?
Sep 23 13:42:49 <blogic> i am working on 2 apps
Sep 23 13:42:59 <blogic> a c code mount_root and mountd2
Sep 23 13:43:11 <blogic> mount_root does the whole mini_fo stuff and ext_root
Sep 23 13:43:19 <blogic> mountd2 does the autofsv4 stuff
Sep 23 13:43:25 <blogic> i have both apps in testing atm
Sep 23 13:43:41 <blogic> Alicemirror: yes
Sep 23 13:44:20 <blogic> LPC3250 has 256k ram ?
Sep 23 13:44:44 <Alicemirror> lpc3250 has more than 256 K if I'm not wrong.
Sep 23 13:44:56 <blogic> that link says 256k
Sep 23 13:45:07 <blogic> might be pcb specific
Sep 23 13:45:39 <Alicemirror> there is already a video with the porting of android on this platform but the definitive platform can have at least 512
Sep 23 13:46:08 <Alicemirror> because it's our own project. This is only the development test for sotware while my collegue build the board.
Sep 23 13:49:00 <Alicemirror> in the documentation I read (it's another thing again) that OWRT won't work with less 1 Mb of flash. It's the case too having the architecture with external root fs (i.e. on sd card) or not ?
Sep 23 13:53:55 <Alicemirror> the hardware should have a cost not more than 40-50$ and is fully open :)
Sep 23 13:55:45 <blogic> nice
Sep 23 13:59:25 <CIA-14> cshore * r23110 /trunk/package/ (7 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed)
Sep 23 13:59:25 <CIA-14> [package] base/block-extroot, base/block-mount: Modified preinit and block-extroot and
Sep 23 13:59:25 <CIA-14> block-mount so that use of block-mount and block-extroot do not require that block-extroot,
Sep 23 13:59:25 <CIA-14> block-mount, nor the kernel modules they depend, on are required to included in the image.
Sep 23 13:59:25 <CIA-14> That is block-extroot and dependencies may now be installed as modules onto the jffs2 part of
Sep 23 13:59:26 <CIA-14> a squashfs system and it will work.
Sep 23 13:59:27 <CIA-14> In addition packages which are installed into the jffs2 of a squashfs system may now affect
Sep 23 13:59:56 <Alicemirror> I don't find the ml subscription info on openwrt.org site and wiki. do you have link pls ?
Sep 23 14:00:05 <xMff> lists.openwrt.org
Sep 23 14:01:05 <cshore> xMff: just comitted the block-extroot changes we've been working on...works in x86 vm without block-extroot, and with block-exroot as modules, and/or in image with brcm63xx
Sep 23 14:01:24 <cshore> xMff: that is I tested a few scenarios
Sep 23 14:01:33 <xMff> cshore: I believe you missed 41_*
Sep 23 14:04:21 <CIA-14> cshore * r23111 /trunk/package/base-files/files/lib/preinit/41_merge_overlay_hooks: [base system & package/block-extroot] Missed file committing previous change 23110
Sep 23 14:04:42 <cshore> xMff: you're right
Sep 23 14:04:48 <xMff> ty
Sep 23 14:05:04 <xMff> now the file you just committed has duplicated content ^^
Sep 23 14:05:27 <cshore> ok, how do I revert the last two changes?
Sep 23 14:05:43 <xMff> why?
Sep 23 14:06:03 <cshore> you said I duplicated content
Sep 23 14:06:15 <xMff> https://dev.openwrt.org/browser/trunk/package/base-files/files/lib/preinit/41_merge_overlay_hooks
Sep 23 14:06:19 <xMff> just truncate it
Sep 23 14:07:48 <CIA-14> cshore * r23112 /trunk/package/base-files/files/lib/preinit/41_merge_overlay_hooks: [base system & package/block-extroot] Fixed duplicated content in file in commit 23111
Sep 23 14:07:57 <cshore> oh, have I finally got it?
Sep 23 14:08:04 <xMff> seems so
Sep 23 14:08:09 <cshore> sheesh
Sep 23 14:08:20 <cshore> I suck at svn
Sep 23 14:08:27 <xMff> heh
Sep 23 14:08:58 <cshore> btw how do you check the changesets?
Sep 23 14:09:10 <xMff> what do you mean?
Sep 23 14:09:33 <cshore> you noticed the problem pretty quickly...do you keep a window open to Trac or something?
Sep 23 14:09:46 <xMff> yeah I review them in trac
Sep 23 14:11:03 <cshore> I'm going to do another build to make sure I didn't screw something up
Sep 23 14:11:12 <blogic> Alicemirror: i sec
Sep 23 14:11:27 <Alicemirror> yes ?
Sep 23 14:11:33 <Alicemirror> blogic: ?
Sep 23 14:11:45 <blogic> Alicemirror: https://lists.openwrt.org/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Sep 23 14:13:18 <xMff> cshore: if the whole bunch works merge it to backfire
Sep 23 14:13:51 <Alicemirror> blogic: many thanks. found and subscribed now. and about the problem of the very reduced memory what do you think about? Do you think it's possible ? (I think becames very complex and not useful)
Sep 23 14:14:02 <xMff> cshore: svn merge -r 23109:23112 trunk/package/ branches/backfire/package/
Sep 23 14:14:04 <Alicemirror> regarding the other board, smartfusion.
Sep 23 14:14:59 <blogic> Alicemirror: 1MB flash is enough if you have a ext root on sd
Sep 23 14:15:12 <blogic> if you want to run a gui i think 16 mb ram will be very little
Sep 23 14:15:20 <blogic> even 32MB might be togh to run X
Sep 23 14:15:29 <Alicemirror> less is not possible, rifht? Without a gui obviously.
Sep 23 14:15:34 <blogic> so oyu might have to use some other gui layer
Sep 23 14:15:43 <blogic> well
Sep 23 14:15:54 <blogic> you could load the kernel from a SD i assume
Sep 23 14:16:00 <Alicemirror> with a gui I think (derived from the link above) 512 Mb of ram and 16 or 32 Mb of flash.
Sep 23 14:16:17 <blogic> that is possible yes
Sep 23 14:16:24 <blogic> but the link above says KB and not MB
Sep 23 14:16:32 <Alicemirror> in fact.
Sep 23 14:16:34 <Alicemirror> sorry
Sep 23 14:16:39 <Alicemirror> 512 Kb
Sep 23 14:16:44 <Alicemirror> the boards are two
Sep 23 14:17:07 <blogic> 512k ram is too little for linux
Sep 23 14:17:17 <cshore> xMff: ok, I'll let you know
Sep 23 14:17:24 <blogic> far too little
Sep 23 14:17:30 <Alicemirror> the profile for the board of our own with gui, touch and more is based on lpc3250 + fpga 512 Mb ram and 16 or 32 Mb flash (or more if needed)
Sep 23 14:17:45 <blogic> that is ok
Sep 23 14:17:51 <blogic> that will easily work
Sep 23 14:17:53 <Alicemirror> the other board is the smartfusion that I think can't support linux because has 512 Kb of flash only
Sep 23 14:19:06 <Alicemirror> thank you for your help, this discussion was very good to clear my "black holes".
Sep 23 14:19:18 <blogic> sure :)
Sep 23 14:19:58 <Alicemirror> and quilt? I see that maybe already used to create targets.
Sep 23 14:20:01 <Alicemirror> or not ?
Sep 23 14:20:50 <blogic> the kernel is unpacked and then pathes are applied, to ease developement, quilt is autimatically setup in the source tree
Sep 23 14:28:13 <cshore> blogic: will your mount_root mount network filesystems too?
Sep 23 14:28:52 <cshore> blogic: that's something I've been asked for
Sep 23 14:29:15 <blogic> cshore: we can put it on the todo list i guess
Sep 23 14:29:45 <cshore> blogic: the most important thing of course is making sure that it's not a regression
Sep 23 14:30:51 <blogic> cshore: really?
Sep 23 14:32:11 <cshore> blogic: heh, I guess that's called stating the obvious
Sep 23 14:32:51 <blogic> cshore: really?
Sep 23 14:32:52 <blogic> :)
Sep 23 14:32:58 <cshore> :P
Sep 23 14:33:29 <blogic> currently you just start mount_root at boot and it does the whole mini_fo stuff and then exists
Sep 23 14:34:01 <blogic> it also does some of the "put deadcode into jffs to fatcory reset", check if jffs is inited etc
Sep 23 14:34:12 <blogic> i am currently thinking about how to best to ext_root
Sep 23 14:34:27 <cshore> blogic: ok
Sep 23 14:34:42 <cshore> blogic: The changes I just committed mean extroot can now be a module
Sep 23 14:34:52 <cshore> blogic: not having to be built into an image
Sep 23 14:34:56 <blogic> the "mount net filesystems" will be part of mountd i guess
Sep 23 14:35:26 <cshore> blogic: also for the dependencies for extroot, they can now be modules
Sep 23 14:36:14 <cshore> blogic: and assuming the build and test I do now, shows I didn't screw up the commits, jow asked me to merge to backfire
Sep 23 14:36:18 <blogic> i will have a look at that code later before i continue working on the dameon
Sep 23 14:36:37 <cshore> blogic: yeah, I wasn't sure you knew what we had cooked up
Sep 23 14:36:58 <blogic> i read trac :)
Sep 23 14:37:12 <blogic> every mornign, just after reading mails
Sep 23 14:37:22 <cshore> blogic: that's a good idea
Sep 23 15:20:17 <builder> build #95 of adm5120 is complete: Failure [failed shell_3]  Build details are at http://tksite.gotdns.org:8010/builders/adm5120/builds/95
Sep 23 15:38:34 <cshore> xMff: I noticed that if I don't have any fsck installed that I get a warning that /lib/functions/fsck couldn't be found....should I add /lib/functions/fsck as an empty dir to block-mount to avoid that, or it is fine to leave it alone?
Sep 23 15:39:30 <cshore> xMff: you're probably the person most likely to be answer questions about it, since here on IRC most often
Sep 23 15:50:03 <cshore> xMff: it only happens with block-mount installed but no fsck installed
Sep 23 16:35:57 <CIA-14> cshore * r23113 /branches/backfire/package/ (8 files in 5 dirs):
Sep 23 16:35:57 <CIA-14> [base system & package/block-extroot] Merged 23110-23112 which allows block-extroot to be
Sep 23 16:35:57 <CIA-14> loaded as a module rather than being required to be in the image. Thanks JoW for pushing
Sep 23 16:35:57 <CIA-14> and helping with this.
Sep 23 16:36:37 <stintel> nbd: fyi, my openwrt/x86-kvm/gcc-4.4.1+cs+graphite is still running after 46h uptime, didn't notice anything weird yet
Sep 23 16:36:54 <stintel> nbd: I'm going to build an image for ar71xx now and test it on my 2nd rspro too
Sep 23 16:37:12 <cshore> stintel: is kvm the same as qemu-kvm or is it a different beast?
Sep 23 16:37:38 <stintel> should be the same, http://avikivity.blogspot.com/2008/12/kvm-userspace-merging-into-upstream.html
Sep 23 16:38:39 <stintel> before it was qemu + modifications
Sep 23 16:38:59 <cshore> stintel: right.....I wasn't sure if kvm also meant something completely different
Sep 23 16:39:27 <cshore> stintel: because with kvm on ubuntu the regular images work in kvm for me, but I didn't know how to get the kvm_guest image to work
Sep 23 16:39:49 <stintel> well, for kvm you do need the kvm modules in the kernel, and your CPU needs to have hardware virtualization extensions
Sep 23 16:40:17 <cshore> stintel: yes, kvm works....it's openwrt under kvm (using the kvm guest profile) that I don't know how to do
Sep 23 16:40:18 <stintel> cshore: iirc I made the kvm_guest subtarget default to virtio-based block device
Sep 23 16:40:31 <cshore> ah, ok, so not hda
Sep 23 16:40:33 <stintel> indeed
Sep 23 16:41:09 <cshore> I saw the vda2 but didn't know how to get it
Sep 23 16:41:20 <stintel> works fine for me on my server with centos 5.5 with kvm/libvirt, and also on my desktop with gentoo/kvm/libvirt
Sep 23 16:41:55 <cshore> stintel: ok, do you configure something in libvirt rather than kvm them?  or on the kvm command-line how do you specifiy the image?
Sep 23 16:42:21 <stintel> cshore: I configure everything in libvirt, with virt-manager
Sep 23 16:42:32 <cshore> stintel: ok, thanks
Sep 23 16:42:43 <stintel> but you can also configure it on the cmd-line, just a bit more work
Sep 23 16:43:27 <stintel> http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/Boot_from_virtio_block_device
Sep 23 16:43:49 <stintel> I also use virtio-based network devices
Sep 23 16:43:58 <stintel> but you need to enable that in kernel modules > virtualization
Sep 23 16:45:00 <stintel> the openwrt on kvm is routing ipv6 to my other vm's on my server in the datacenter
Sep 23 16:45:01 <cshore> ok, but for virtio-block-device I don't need to change anything, only for network?
Sep 23 16:45:09 <stintel> yep
Sep 23 16:45:26 <cshore> stintel: ok....I just use it to test an arch other than brcm63xx for changes
Sep 23 16:45:42 <stintel> and it's doing openvpn as wel, but I actually need to spend some time on redoing that setup :)
Sep 23 16:46:00 <stintel> but the main idea is that I can have some vm's on internal network only
Sep 23 16:46:06 <stintel> like mysql
Sep 23 16:46:10 <cshore> stintel: I always say I don't understand people who complain of boredom
Sep 23 16:46:13 <stintel> no need for it to have an external IP :)
Sep 23 16:46:16 <stintel> :D
Sep 23 16:46:35 <cshore> cool...
Sep 23 16:47:21 <cshore> stintel: sometime just knowing something can be done helps when you are figuring out how to solve a problem
Sep 23 16:47:23 <stintel> and when I actually have more than one server in the datacenter, I plan to use two rspro or some mikrotik rb with openwrt to do all their routing/firewalling
Sep 23 16:47:49 <stintel> with vrrp and all :)
Sep 23 16:47:56 <cshore> stintel: what are you hosting at the moment?
Sep 23 16:48:05 <stintel> not much, a zimbra and some websites
Sep 23 16:48:15 <stintel> and this irc session :)
Sep 23 16:48:31 <cshore> what bouncer?
Sep 23 16:48:41 <stintel> screen+irssi
Sep 23 16:48:48 <stintel> that config is already ancient
Sep 23 16:49:13 <stintel> I added irssi-proxy+znc+colloquy-mod to it later so I can have push notifications on my iphone :)
Sep 23 16:49:43 <cshore> heh...I want to work on znc modules for OpenWRT at some point
Sep 23 16:50:34 <cshore> znc has some cool stuff, and it's what I'm using
Sep 23 16:50:42 <stintel> I do like znc, but I prefer just to ssh and attach my screen rather than connecting another irc client on my workstation at work or my desktop at home
Sep 23 16:51:42 <cshore> to each their own
Sep 23 16:52:18 <stintel> nbd: hmm, seems the toolchain with gcc4.4.1+cs+graphite doesn't build for ar71xx
Sep 23 16:52:32 <nbd> details?
Sep 23 16:52:34 <stintel> nbd: want me to create a ticket, or shall I just pastebin it somewhere ?
Sep 23 16:53:31 <nbd> pastebin
Sep 23 16:53:47 <stintel> hmmm can't scroll up far enough, I'll &> file
Sep 23 16:55:17 <stintel> nbd: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/266278/
Sep 23 16:55:44 <stintel> it's huge though, 4.4MB
Sep 23 16:55:56 <nbd> are you sure that graphite is enabled?
Sep 23 16:56:14 <stintel> oh. sorry
Sep 23 16:56:16 <stintel> it's not
Sep 23 16:56:31 <stintel> I'll retry with it enabled
Sep 23 16:56:50 <nbd> run make toolchain/gcc/minimal/clean before building again
Sep 23 16:57:11 <stintel> ah already did make toolchain/clean
Sep 23 16:57:17 <nbd> ok
Sep 23 16:58:21 <stintel> brb, grabbing some food
Sep 23 17:03:56 <stintel> make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/stijn/Development/OpenWRT/git/toolchain/gcc/minimal'
Sep 23 17:03:59 <stintel> make[3]: Entering directory `/home/stijn/Development/OpenWRT/git/toolchain/kernel-headers'
Sep 23 17:04:02 <stintel> looks better now
Sep 23 17:15:25 <xMff> cshore: I noticed a potential issue
Sep 23 17:22:34 <stintel> ah nice, we ordered new laptops for our it department today, so beginning of october I can do some testing with more than a handful of clients on an ath9k ap :)
Sep 23 17:23:33 <stintel> if it's stable enough I'll probably use openwrt in one of our meeting rooms :)
Sep 23 17:28:31 <stintel> nbd: with graphite really enabled now the image compiled
Sep 23 17:28:51 <stintel> maybe it would be better to enable graphite by default for gcc4.4.1+cs ?
Sep 23 17:33:57 <CIA-14> jow * r23114 /trunk/package/base-files/files/lib/preinit/41_merge_overlay_hooks: [package] base-files: prevent possible sourcing of JFFS2 meta files when merging overlay hooks
Sep 23 17:34:52 <CIA-14> jow * r23115 /branches/backfire/package/base-files/files/lib/preinit/41_merge_overlay_hooks: [backfire] merge r23114
Sep 23 17:37:00 <nbd> stintel: yes
Sep 23 17:51:37 <stintel> nbd: the rspro boots fine as well, with the 4.4.1/cs/graphite compiled image \o/
Sep 23 17:52:24 <nbd> cool
Sep 23 17:52:32 <nbd> unfortunately it increases the compressed binary size
Sep 23 17:53:02 <stintel> ah, didn't copy my previous bin/ar71xx dir to compare
Sep 23 18:00:35 <stintel> oh well, going to replace my main rspro with the 2nd one so I can gather some info related to the 2xath9k and allowed channels issue
Sep 23 18:06:30 <cshore> jow: good catch
Sep 23 18:07:55 <stintel>   
Sep 23 18:14:07 <stintel> nbd: what other useful info could I gather besides the output of "iw reg get", "iw list" and /etc/config/wireless ?
Sep 23 18:14:35 <stintel> s/could/should/
Sep 23 18:26:57 <Acinonyx> stintel: do you also have a problem with the reg domain when using 2 x ath9k on RS pro?
Sep 23 18:27:23 <stintel> Acinonyx: ack
Sep 23 18:27:53 <stintel> gathering info right now, with both cards alone in it, then with both together
Sep 23 18:28:37 <stintel> Acinonyx: I can work around it by loading ath9k with debug=0x00000420
Sep 23 18:29:33 <Acinonyx> stintel: hmm.. I have had a report about this. Do you use crda to set reg domain?
Sep 23 18:30:50 <stintel> I do, and CONFIG_ATH_USER_REGD=y
Sep 23 18:31:04 <stintel> well I don't use crda manually, I have country BE in /e/c/wireless
Sep 23 18:33:28 <Acinonyx> yes. IIRC, crda reports successful setting but the driver doesn't actually change reg domain..
Sep 23 18:33:44 <stintel> Acinonyx: is there an open ticket about it ?
Sep 23 18:34:03 <stintel> or was it on the ml, or yet somewhere else
Sep 23 18:34:57 <Acinonyx> I don't know. It was reported from IRC
Sep 23 18:35:34 <stintel> ah, I talked about it few times as well on irc
Sep 23 18:37:59 <stintel> man that netgate enclosure is annoying :/
Sep 23 18:39:08 <Acinonyx> it sucks?
Sep 23 18:40:18 <stintel> it's quite nice once it's closed, but getting the rspro in, with 2 cards and 5 pigtails ..
Sep 23 18:40:34 <stintel> maybe I should get some longer pigtails
Sep 23 18:41:34 <Acinonyx> is it the indoor or outdoor type?
Sep 23 18:41:39 <stintel> indoor
Sep 23 18:53:37 <stintel> too bad the mikrotik r52n only has 2 antenna's it would have looked even cooler with 6 antennas :)
Sep 23 19:03:47 <stintel> here is what I gathered so far: http://stijn.tintel.eu/old/wireless/ath9k/
Sep 23 19:05:14 <builder> build #130 of ppc44x is complete: Failure [failed shell_6]  Build details are at http://tksite.gotdns.org:8010/builders/ppc44x/builds/130
Sep 23 19:12:15 <stintel> KanjiMonster: in case you're interested, ^
Sep 23 19:12:41 <jow_laptop> cshore: ;)
Sep 23 19:15:30 <cshore> xMff: I may even be able to use stock images on my non-dev routers (I have two that provide me with internet access, because I bought a subnet block (/29), so that I could test 'out-to-the-internet' stuff without having two dsl connections)
Sep 23 19:16:50 <cshore> one's for the pppoe to internet, and the other for may lan, connected to the outside router which provides a 'real' DMZ, with internet visible IP's
Sep 23 19:17:01 <cshore> may=my
Sep 23 19:17:42 <cshore> I of course have other, dev, routers
Sep 23 19:20:30 <cshore> I even have things set up so I can test the connection with to my own pppoe-server, with real internet ip's, on one of the ports, so that I can make sure the dev devices work as expected in the various connection scenarios (DHCP, PPPoE, direct)
Sep 23 19:21:04 <cshore> er, I mean being router not direct
Sep 23 19:21:10 <cshore> *behind
Sep 23 19:21:16 <jow_laptop> I need to rework my deskspace this weekend
Sep 23 19:21:30 <jow_laptop> haven''t enough space for monitors, devices, laptop etc.
Sep 23 19:21:44 <stintel> sounds familiar :)
Sep 23 19:21:56 <stintel> lucky the crt era is over :)
Sep 23 19:22:01 <cshore> jow: I have industrial shelving I use two middle shelves on two of them for my workbench area
Sep 23 19:22:26 <cshore> jow: right next to my small desk, which I have my monitors on
Sep 23 19:23:05 <jow_laptop> the flat is under the roof and the walls are diagonal, this eats some space
Sep 23 19:23:17 <jow_laptop> even for lcds
Sep 23 19:23:44 <cshore> jow: however I also have a couple other desks that I have set up with old 17" CRTs for doing system work (e.g. installations, backups and repairs of systems)
Sep 23 19:24:05 <cshore> jow: yeah, I don't so much like diagnol roofs
Sep 23 19:24:12 <cshore> *diagonal
Sep 23 19:24:48 <cshore> jow: my bathroom has diagonal ceiling...made putting a shower curtain up a challenge
Sep 23 19:24:54 <jow_laptop> hehe
Sep 23 19:28:08 <stintel> oh well I don't have diagonal walls or ceiling, but 1 wall has the window, another one has a chimney, and the other two are screwed by the door
Sep 23 19:32:09 <cshore> stintel: heh, I have to admit that I wouldn't give up the big windows in my 'office' (back room of my mom's house, although she doesn't live here; just has stuff here)...I lived in dark basements for enough of my live
Sep 23 19:34:10 <KanjiMonster> stintel: great to hear (the tp-link) - already flashed with openwrt?
Sep 23 19:35:18 <stintel> KanjiMonster: hmm flashed with openwrt ?
Sep 23 19:35:39 <KanjiMonster> ah, wrong nick ;)
Sep 23 19:35:43 <stintel> :>
Sep 23 19:35:48 <KanjiMonster> somehow mixed some highlights
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Sep 23 20:55:19 <cshore> KanjiMonster: that's right
Sep 23 21:12:19 <_trine> has openvpn been modified recently ?
Sep 23 21:38:33 <builder> build #122 of ar71xx is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://tksite.gotdns.org:8010/builders/ar71xx/builds/122
Sep 23 21:51:37 <nbd> stintel: 22:36 < mcgrof> nbd: known issue with multiple cards, but its on the bottom of my plate of issues to deal with
Sep 23 21:52:00 <stintel> ah, pity
Sep 23 21:52:16 <stintel> nbd: but thanks for the info
Sep 23 22:21:09 <Alicemirror> Hi a silly question. When I build a target with 'make V=99' how can I redirect the output to a file ?
Sep 23 23:05:54 <CIA-14> zandbelt * r23116 /packages/net/asterisk-1.6.x/Makefile: [packages] asterisk-1.6.x Makefile fixes provided by Martin Stroomer
Sep 23 23:47:20 <xMff> cshore: nope, no real important stuff
Sep 23 23:47:27 <xMff> cshore: maybe the preinit consolidation
Sep 23 23:48:06 <xMff> cshore: I also thought about implementing a preinit_finish() which would be called in 99_10_exec_init
Sep 23 23:48:53 <xMff> cshore: that would clear the stacks so that boot_run_hook() can terminate early without skipping all the pending dupes occuring due to overlay merge
Sep 23 23:52:27 <xMff> cshore: nvm, that was nonesense. if init gets exec'd, preinit does not live anymore
Sep 23 23:52:47 <cshore> xMff: heh, np
Sep 23 23:53:56 <xMff> btw, how's the freeswitcvh call routing going? did you started with that?
Sep 23 23:53:58 <cshore> xMff: I'll put preinit consolidation on my maybe list
Sep 23 23:55:47 <cshore> xMff: I got the dialplan (call routing) and directory (extensions) working, and was working on module config, but am taking a little time off as the business unit is being scrapped by Vertical, so I'm not employed until/if Marc gets things set up to do it himself (as he intends to do)
Sep 23 23:57:15 <cshore> although I will be working on it, just less intensely, anyway
Sep 23 23:58:14 <xMff> oh ok
Sep 23 23:58:47 <xMff> since freeswitch already has a lua embedded I wondered why did that awkward xml based scheme
Sep 23 23:58:54 <xMff> +they
Sep 23 23:59:02 <cshore> xMff: probably lua came later
Sep 23 23:59:10 <xMff> would be cleaner if expressed as function calls
Sep 23 23:59:23 <xMff> with real if etc.
Sep 23 23:59:37 <xMff> someone should suggest it to them :P
Sep 24 00:00:09 <cshore> heh, they're not the most suggestible people
Sep 24 00:00:26 <xMff> :(
Sep 24 00:00:28 <cshore> tend to smart-ass remarks and asking for money
Sep 24 00:01:34 <cshore> xMff: to be honest when I consider their build system I wonder whether it's really as good as all that
Sep 24 00:02:25 <cshore> the build system doesn't use system libraries, it downloads and compiles packages, or they use modified versions in their source
Sep 24 00:03:16 <cshore> xMff: I understand they didn't want the support issues of system libraries, but I consider it less clean
Sep 24 00:03:28 <cshore> xMff: and bloaty
Sep 24 00:04:37 <cshore> even if they do use only the portion of the packages that they actually use, and aren't adding duplicate libraries
Sep 24 00:05:08 <cshore> it's something I consider a warning sign, of "maybe over-hyped"
Sep 24 00:06:09 <xMff> yeah
Sep 24 00:18:34 <cshore> and I find the attitude on #freeswitch rather crusty, even just watching
Sep 24 00:19:31 <xMff> thats sad
Sep 24 00:22:03 <cshore> Well to be honest I suspect it's part of the reason FS exists, rather than making changes to Asterisk...it just the dev's personality
Sep 24 00:22:18 <cshore> *personalities
Sep 24 00:22:34 <xMff> it wouldn't be the first time
Sep 24 00:37:45 <builder> build #88 of au1000 is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://tksite.gotdns.org:8010/builders/au1000/builds/88
Sep 24 01:31:53 <builder> build #94 of iop32x is complete: Failure [failed shell_6]  Build details are at http://tksite.gotdns.org:8010/builders/iop32x/builds/94
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